published Friday, September 6th, 2013

5-at-10: Friday mailbag

Hope you have enjoyed the week and have big plans for the weekend. Good times. Saturdays in September? Great times.

From the "Talks too much" studios, hey, Peyton just threw another TD.

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    UTC defensive back Dee Virgin (19) celebrates after recovering a fumble by UT Martin during the Mocs' season opening football game.
    Photo by Doug Strickland /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

From Billy-in-Brainerd

Mocs minus 10 looks like a Jeff Sagarin line. Here is how he ranks these 4 teams: UTC [139], Samford [146], UT-Martin [156], Ga State [201]. Ga State had 463 yards in total offense against Samford. Mocs D gave up 451 yards to Martin. I am going to the Dome this Saturday and I am worried. Someone please tell me why i should not be...


Relax. Deep breaths.

We think UTC's performance last week was bad on almost every level. We also believe it was an isolated incident that will be solved tomorrow.

We also believe that UT-Martin was better than we expected.

The No. 1 factor in the Thursday night debacle for UTC was an offseason of the Mocs hearing how good they are. That is a drastic and clear problem for college football teams. In fact, other than his acumen as a recruiter, Nick Saban's best attribute is that he can keep a highly successful program hungry and focused depsite being highly successful.

As for the Mocs, here's saying not many folks have been bending their ears about how good they are the last 10 days. That motivation will serve them well.

We're expecting the best from UTC on Saturday — but what do we know? We thought they could be unbeaten going to Tuscaloosa.


From Tike via the Twitter

How many of those Peyton 'hater' callers from yesterday are rethinking their thoughts. Prob not after one game, but still...


From Stewwie

Will you post your Peyton rank later today? In fact, let's see a Rushmore.


Well, Stew, Mr. Manning made the most of his extra time to support your claim for Peyton being the best QB ever.

For those of you living under an ESPN-less rock, Manning threw seven TD passes last night in the Broncos' 49-27 season-opening destruction of the Baltimore Ravens. It was overwhelmingly impressive and impressively overwhelming.

As Tike suggested it was a magical performance, highlighted by five second-half TD passes. When Manning is clicking he is something else — and when he's clicking he moves the pieces and changes the puzzle to the point that guys are CUH-Razy wide open.

It did not change our rank, however. After discussing the topic for more than an hour on Press Row on Thursday, it became clear that the best QB ever debate may have more criteria debates than any other sports topic.

Are stats most important? What about rings? What about the eye test?

And no matter which angle you believe is the most important, there are outliers that compromise it.

If stats are your thing, is Warren Moon the best? Dan Marino? Bret Favre?

If it's rings, you have the choice between Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana in the Super Bowl era.

The eye test leaves you wondering how Jeff George wasted so much potential.

All three have a say, and left us with a Rushmore of Montana, Elway, Brady and Manning. Yes, we likely sold short Johnny U. And we believe Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach are right there on the edge in the second Rushmore.


From sportsfan

Jay - I read the 5 at 10 when I can. I haven't had the chance to hear the show on 105.1 yet. If it's anything like your guest appearances on Sporttalk, I'm sure it's Heisman worthy. For the Friday mailbag...what advice would you give Tebow? Convert to the TE position? Go to the CFL? Go to the CFL and convert to the TE position? Enter the 9 to 5 work world? Actually, it's more like 7 to 7, but who's counting...


Thanks for the support Sportsfan. The radio show from 1-3 on 105.1 FM has been fun. And crazy. So it goes, and we've always said we'd rather be busy than bored. We surely do not have to worry about the latter.

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    This photo taken Aug. 2013 shows New England Patriots quarterback Tim Tebow throwing during warmups before a NFL preseason game against the Detroit Lions in Detroit.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

As for Mr. Tebow, here's how the 5-at-10 would have a Mr. C-from-Happy Days-type chat:

5-at-10: Timmy — TIMMY! — thanks for swinging by. Have a seat.

Tebow: Who are you and why do you refer to yourself in third person with a numeric internet nickname?

5-at-10: Grab some wood there bub. You're the one that needs the advice, and we're just the family-oriented, interweb-based sports columnist to deliver it.

Tebow: Whatever.

5-at-10: So, you find yourself looking for work. Have you given any thought to playing tight end or fullback?

Tebow: No sir. I am committed to pursuing my dream of being an NFL quarterback. I am a quarterback.

5-at-10: Actually you're not. You're unemployed.

Tebow: Yeah, but...

5-at-10: No buts there Mr. Squeaky Clean. Listen, you could not even stick with the Patriots considering the following advantages. 1) The owner wants to adopt you. 2) The offensive coordinator is the guy that was drunk enough to spend a first-round pick on you. 3) The team's off-the-field image right now really could use a heavy jolt of Tebowing. It's not working.

Tebow: What do you recommend?

5-at-10: Glad you asked. If you want to give playing QB one final shot, go to Canada and work on your mechanics and accuracy. They need some serious work.

Tebow: Yes. I'll make it happen sir. Thanks for your time.

5-at-10: One more thing. When/if that doesn't work, here's what you need to do. Call Will Muschamp and ask him to be an offensive assistant coach with the Gators. We're pretty sure there's ZERO chance he'll say no. We have a sneaky feeling that you would be a home run on the recruiting trail — what momma wouldn't send their boy to play for Tebow — and sooner rather than later you will be a very successful college head coach.

Tebow: I like it.

5-at-10: That or look up the seventh son of the Llama with the flowing robes. Striking.


From JMC

I know Tennessee is no Alabama and Austin Peay is no UT Martin. But given some of the write-ups regarding WKU, the Hilltoppers are almost poised (on paper mind you) to pull a North Dakota State (or Appy State) in Mother Knoxville. Thoughts?


With all the talk and all the buzz, you'd think the Hilltoppers were coming to Knoxville ranked No. 6 in the country with a Heisman candidate and two All-Americans. They beat a Kentucky that will be lucky to win four games.

Are they dangerous? Certainly they are because they have a coach that is among the biggest in-game difference makers in college football and primarily because this Tennessee team has been Dooleyed to the point that losing a 5-foot-7 white wide receiver gives Johnny Vols Fans cause of concern.

That said, all of the talk and the hand-wringing starts to stall when you look to the folks that are putting their livelihood on the line on this one. Vegas has WKU as a two-touchdown underdog. If we were forced to pick this one, we'd likely go with the Hilltoppers and the points, but we're not in love with this one as most everyone else.


From Two-Timer

I have started reading the 5-at-10 after listening to you and Paschall on the radio. It's pretty good stuff.

Funny how you guys talked about Peyton and then he did that. Last night he was "in the zone."

Which athletes do you remember being in the best "zone".

Thanks and thanks for the 5-at-10.


Great question, and Manning is one of those guys that, as we mentioned before, when it's going good, it's going REALLY good.

In fact, he's one of the all-time zoners. Hey, let's do a Rushmore of Zone:

Peyton Manning — if you need any more evidence, call the Ravens

Jordan — Dude was awesome on a daily basis, but when the perimeter shots were falling, he was unstoppable

Barry Bonds — He spent most of the 2001 season in the zone

Reggie Miller — Money. Simply money.


about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Going into the Ravens game Peyton had five "perfect" games (passer rating of 158.3). Last evening's boffo performance doesn't qualify as the sixth because the completion percentage wasn't high enough. Nobody else has more than three. Brady as two and Eli one. And Eli had one game with a rating of zero. Zip. Nada.

Another good thing about the hoopla over Peyton's big showing: once again we get to see Y. A. Title's name in print. And in pixels.

In 1999, between Tim Couch and Jared Lorenzen, UK quarterback Dusty Bonner led the SEC in passing efficiency, total offense and passing yards per game. His Tim Tebow size was unheard of for a QB in 1999. To make room for The Hefty Lefty (who was a Tebow and a half), Bonner transferred to Valdosta State where he passed for over 8,000 yards in two years and set all kinds of Division II records. He has been elected to the Division II Hall of Fame.

And Jodie Meeks had a real zone game against UT. He's no Laettner, but still...

September 6, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...


"With all the talk and all the buzz, you'd think the Hilltoppers were coming to Knoxville ranked No. 6 in the country with a Heisman candidate and two All-Americans."

Best description. Period. I agree wholeheartly and at the same time understand WKU is not Nebraska or LSU or anybody of significance but to say JVFs need to be vigilant is pretty accurate.

B-i-B: Have a fun trip down in the A-T-L. I finally got my cable back up and running and did a field test of it to see if I had access again to streaming video on the Treis. Houston, we are a go for Saturday. ::thumbs up::

(Back to Jay) You're take on the Mocs hype was spot on in the fact my own mother had the same premonition when we were on the phone two hours to kick-off. I'm okay not going to Tuscaloosa undefeated but at the same time if Appy State got spanked by the 13th rank FCS team and they're suppose to be building for the FBS move...What does that say about the competition in the event we make the post season? (What I was imagining: UTC plays a bunch of cupcakes going into the post season before taking on Clubber Lang decked out in North Dakota green and gold). Slap ME silly!

September 6, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
MocTastic said...

JG, here is some good news:

River City Company will be hosting Movies at Center Park in September. Formerly called Movies at the 700 Block, the series features family-friendly movies but also hosts local bands prior to the screenings. The first movie will be "The Sandlot" on Saturday. Chattanooga’s The Power Players will perform. Music starts at 7 p.m.; the movie begins at 8:45 p.m. Guests are encouraged to bring lawn chairs and blankets. Dinner and wine will be available to purchase from local food trucks and vendors. The event is free; however, organizers are encouraging attendees to sign up for tickets for attendance purposes.

September 6, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, are they hiding the 5 at 10 today? Seriously, I really had to search for it. I had to look harder for it than Peyton had to for open receivers last night.

September 6, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
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