published Monday, September 9th, 2013

5-at-10: Football, football everywhere and not a spot to think

There's a slew of stuff to discuss. In fact, we could have a 12-at-10 with little trouble — other than the time it would take for us to write it and for you to read it. (Seriously, five is already long enough.)

From the "Talks to much" studios, here's to the day dream believer and the Homecoming queen.

College football rewind

A slew of highlight moments of the field for the three college football teams in action that we spill the most ink covering.

The 5-at-10 expected big wins from each — including trying to tell some of you folks that the Vegas number on the UT-Western Kentucky game gave us pause — and each delivered. Let's recap each and offer our Week 2 winners and losers. Deal? Deal.

UT: Western Kentucky gift-wrapped the first four TDs with a river of turnovers in the Vols' 52-20 rout. Butch Jones earned major props for quoting General Neyland in the postgame presser. The Mighty Ducks next week will not be as sharing.

Georgia: Great game and an even bigger win. Several gutsy calls by Mark Richt in the first half. Todd Gurley is a beast, and Aaron Murray needed that win as badly as anyone anywhere.

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    UTC coach Russ Huesman watches a scrimmage at Finley Stadium.
    Photo by Angela Lewis /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

UTC: Great performance on the field. Rolling to a 42-0 lead before activating the Upward Basketball rule and letting everyone play in a 42-14 rout. The juicier story circling the Mocs at the moment was the revelation that several of the "injured" players that missed the season-opening debacle were actually suspended. There had been whispers and rumors, but when UTC coach Russ Huesman told the media they were injured — on multiple occasions mind you 12 days ago — the statement Saturday that they were actually suspended for the first six quarters of the season stirred some talk this weekend. We overwhelmingly concur with TFP ace columnist Mark Wiedmer's view in today's sports section.

Yes, we'll venture a guess roughly 70 percent of the college football teams in the country had players miss time because of suspensions. That's not what this is. This about the decision to say they were injured when they weren't.

Say it's a violation of team rules. Say it's none of your business. There's a reason the non-denial denial is an art form, because it's used frequently and effectively.


Fab 4 plus 1 recap — More winners than losers

Gang, we hope you have stored up the entertainment savings and good times from a torrid start to the picking season for the Fab 4-plus-1 picks of the week.

After a 5-0 week 1 showing, we posted a very respectable 4-1 number against the spread. We're 9-1 on the year (like that Auburn math, Spy... we're bona fide).

Let's review:

• Duke covered the 5 with relative ease in a 28-14 win over Memphis. We may ride Memphis opponents this year. That 28-14 score included a 75-yard interception return for a score for the Tigers in a game that was not as close as the final score.

• Oregon covered the 21 with relative ease in an impressive 59-10 win over Virginia. So much for laying three TDs and going across the country, huh? We'll discuss this at length this week, but the Ducks are giving Tennessee 25 right now. That line will go higher. (Other lines that will go higher this week: Louisville is giving Kentucky 11 right now, and it will rise; Alabama is giving Texas A&M 8 and that will rise, too.)

• UNC covered the 17 in a 40-20 win over MTSU. Arizona cruised 58-13 to cover the 10.5 over UNLV. Our loss — Cincy got waxed by Illinois. It happens.

As for the winners and losers from around college football, let's get cracking:


The South's other conference now has a Clemson win over UGA and a Miami win over Florida. Take that big-talking SEC. (And yes, no one in the ACC wants any of Bama. Heck, few in the AFC want any of Bama.)

LOSER — Mack Brown

Cue the announcer: "Coming up next on the Longhorn Network, let's get some highlights of the volleyball win at Texas Tech. As for the football team, well, they may have had a game this weekend."

WINNER — The Oregon Ducks

Sweet speedy speed skates Batman, the Ducks can fly. Oregon beat Virginia 59-10 in a game that was not that close.

WINNER — Mike Leach

The Pirate went to USC and beat Lane Kiffin and USC without scoring an offensive TD. The Washington State upset makes Auburn's 2-0 start look that much better, and puts Kiffin firmly on the hot seat.

WINNER — Coaching agents

If Kiffin and Brown are dismissed this season — and that looks like a good bet this morning — can you remember a time when two of the nation's top-five perennial programs would be searching for a coach at the same time? That puts everyone in play, and the trickle up ramifications are scary.

What/who are your winners and losers from Week 2?


NFL recap

We will get more into this on our Tuesday NFL review, but wow, what an opening effort. Here are five things you need to know about the first Sunday of the NFL season:

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    Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (7) is sacked by Tennessee Titans defensive tackle Mike Martin (93) during the second half of an NFL football game Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012, in Nashville, Tenn.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

1) The Steelers stink. The Titans went to Pittsburgh and won 16-9, and the Steelers' only TD was in the final minutes. E-Gads. And as bad as the Steelers were, the Jacksonville Jaguars were worse. Hey Jadeveon, start apartment hunting in North Florida.

2) The Falcons-Saints play great, entertaining tackle football games. Atlanta lost 23-17 and had the ball fourth-and-goal in the final seconds before turning it over. We picked the Saints to win the NFC South. We believe it to be true even more so after watching a New Orleans defense make a slew of big plays.

3) If you had San Fran-Denver as your Super Bowl match-up (hi Paschall), you look locked and loaded this morning. The 49ers stood toe-to-toe and won with offense in a 34-28 win over Green Bay; Denver, well, we all know what Denver did last Thursday.

4) If you are into close finishes, well, Sunday was Christmas. There were a slew of tight games and at least four decided in the final seconds. Good times, indeed.

5) How about the first-year starting QBs acquitting themselves famously. Geno Smith rallied the Jets. (Thanks for the memories Mark Sanchez.) EJ Manuel looked good for the Bills. And Terrelle Pryor was so good for the Raiders, they should give free tattoos to every ticket holder in the Bay Area.


This and that

— Did he or didn't he? Clint Bowyer and some of his teammates are being looked at by the NASCAR NSA for apparently throwing their race Saturday night to help one of their teammates get in the Chase. To that allegation we say, "DUH." This type of stuff will happen when you have multiple car teams. To pretend it doesn't happen beyond "drafting help" is silly.

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    Serena Williams hugs the championship trophy after defeating Victoria Azarenka, of Belarus, during the women's singles final of the 2013 U.S. Open tennis tournament, Sunday, Sept. 8, 2013, in New York.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

— Congrats to Serena Williams for winning her fifth US Open. We'll ask Paschall this on Press Row from 1-3 p.m. on ESPN 105.1 FM, but she's the best ever, right? And if she got in a fight with Spy, how quickly would she make him tap out?

— Basketball Hall of Fame announcements were made Sunday. Some of the names were amazingly familiar. Rick Pitino got in as did former college coaching greats Jerry Tarkanian and Guy Lewis. So did Gary Payton and Bernard King. We still say that if not for the injuries Bernard King would have been one of the all-time All-Timers. Dude was so smooth.

— Since returning to the lineup after eye surgery, Lil' Danny Struggla is 4-of-30 with no homers or RBIs. At what point do the Braves make a change? If Atlanta is keeping Struggla in the line-up for defensive purposes, well if the Braves do make the World Series, when they are playing at the AL team, the Braves could start pitchers Kris Medlen (.191 batting average) and Julio Teheran (.216) and use the DH for Uggla (.182).


Today's question

There are a slew of things to discuss today.

College football winners and losers? Who will get sacked first Mack Brown or Lane Kiffin?

NFL takeaways? What was your impression from week 1, other than the Steelers stinking?

Want to weigh in on the UTC 'situation,' knock yourself silly.

If you still need a talking piont, and with Pitino getting inducted into the college basketball Hall of Fame, what's your Rushmore of men's college basketball coaches?

Wooden's there, no doubt. Rupp too. From there, let the debate begin, and we're leaning heavily toward having Ricky P. there.


about Jay Greeson...

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MocTastic said...

On a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is Penn State/Paterno and staff covering up a child molester (Sandusky), this UTC "scandal" is about a 0.25. That is ZERO.25, not 2.5. I suspect the lesson has been learned and won't be repeated.

Rushmore has four people correct? In no order: Wooden,Krzyzewski, Naismith and suprise, Clarence "Big House" Gaines.

Naismith invented the game of basketball, he has to be on there and I intentionally left Rupp off because of his racial views. Replacing Rupp is Clarence Gaines, who is the only black coach to have been inducted into the Hall of Fame.

September 9, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
jgreeson said...

MT —

Not sure where this 'scandal' ranks on the scale.

And scandal is hardly the right word any way since no rules or laws were broken.

That said, Russ told a story he knew was not true and we called him on it. That's how these things work.

Would you have Abner Doubleday on baseball's best managers?

That said, we're OK with Coach K and even your logic on Big House over Rupp.

Leave the ball will you George.

September 9, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
Stewwie said...

Agreed with you and Weeds on the Huesman lies. That situation could have and should have been handled much better. And how did Shafaat get out of a suspension for his antics this summer?

Great win for the Mocs Saturday, but GA St. was worse than I thought. I'm not sure they could beat any team in the Southern Conference, including lowly WCU.

Serena may indeed be the greatest women's tennis player ever, but I have always wondered if she was/is on some form of PEDs. If so, I think that would taint her legacy.

B-ball Rushmore: Wooden, Rupp, Coach K, Dean Smith. I'll let someone else take Knight and his outbursts.

September 9, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...


While I'm disappointed in T-Rob and the five others being put in a predictment that warrented the suspensions when they know this program doesn't have full community support and is basically under a microscope 24/7, the fact a fabrication was used repeatedly as a way to prevent the opposing teams from getting a leg-up on the Mocs made me call into question the ethics of the program. I had nothing but the greatest respect for Russ until 36 hours ago. And I know the PR blowback is probably going to be vicious locally both on your show and Quake/Dr. B's left of the dial. I still like Russ, but this was a choice that if he knew would have consequences.

Even if the Mocs played and upsetted a "real" FBS team (La-Monroe, Eastern Carolina, Texas State, etc.), this repeated lie is basically just added fuel to the fire regarding the bottomless list of excuses for why Chattanooga Citizen X refuses to support the Mocs in favor of Tennessee, Alabama, or Georgia who can do no wrong in their fans eyes.

I know you didn't cover Emperor Jones' team but needless to say Tony is about 50/50 depending on his targets. One minute he's throwing BJ/Jacob/Silk caliber passes and the next he can't hit the broad side of a barn. Will give him +5 endurance points for returning in the third quarter after that double whammy in the rib cage. OUCH-standing.

Once this blows over (hopefully by Wednesday), everyone can feel a little excitement going into Austin Peay on Saturday even though only 500 will be in attendence for obvious reasons. ^^()

September 9, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
MocTastic said...

I stick with Naismith..he coached college basketball and invented the game itself, without him, there might not even be a Rushmore of college basketball coaches as we know it.

Imagine the conversation: Pitino: "Hey Coach Naismith, I won some National Championships and have a great record with hundreds of wins and you only have 55 career wins." Coach Naismith: "Yuup, but I invented the game itself, top that Ricko...".

September 9, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

You know the NFL is back when we get as many Rob Ryan shots on the sideline as of the head coaches.

I hate the Steelers center-one of the best in the game-was injured, but it was caused by the guard trying to dive and take out at defensive lineman's knee. He just whiffed. It was hardly a "fall" as the announcers tried to say it was.

Titans OL and DL looked stout. Eventually the quarterback will have to make some plays.

"Scandal" is the word being used by those who think Huesman's lie is not a big deal, to overexaggerate and make those disappointed by it seem to be worrying about nothing. "Disappointment" is the word I would use. If Robinson had not been part of the drama last year, would violation of team rules been the stated reason with no hesitation?

Yes, so much for Duck sleepiness. The Vols are in trouble, maybe 60+ allowed.

The Packers got back in it, partially, with the run, then completely abandoned it again late. Eddie Lacy looked pretty good.

If Clowney goes to the Jaguars next year, their offense will still be terrible. Two more years of 2 or 3 wins and then they can draft the Florida State quarterback.

September 9, 2013 at 11:08 a.m.
WilliamRscott said...

A basketball Rushmore without Patricia Head Summitt? Or is this a MBB Rushmore?

Mocs vs Govs kick at 6pm this Saturday. UT, Vandy killed the Govs; so should the Mocs.

For the mailbag [or sooner]...UT at Oregon and Bammer at A+M both kick at 3:30pm this Saturday. Ohio St/Cal + Auburn/Miss St at 7. All things considered, what is the over/under for this Saturday's attendence at Finley? The pre-game party under the pavilion may draw more than the game. We are serving Smokey Bones at our spot; we have a TV, BYOB + chair.


September 9, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
MocTastic said...

I thought about Pat Summitt also, thought there should be separate Rushmores, have to have Geno on there also...or is having separate Rushmores sexist?

September 9, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

From the weekend:

The following are overrated - Texas, Southern Cal and Jadeveon Clowney. That phone call in early December will not, repeat, not be from the Heisman Committee. Georgia averaged 8 yards per play when he was in the game and 2.5 when he was not in, if I remember the graphic correctly.

Also overrated? Steve Spurrier's play-calling. Fourth and an eyelash from the goal line and you go shotgun and run option?

And whoever took the over on the over/under on number of Rob Ryan sidelines shots from the Atlanta and New Orleans game, well, you know your odds. (I didn't see what you had written until right about now, LaughingBoy, but you is right).

Underrated - Musburger interviewing Eminem in the booth. High comedy indeed. When the producers told him he would be talking to Eminem, did he instantly think Mantle and Maris had come back to life? But I digress.

JMC, you can make the argument about La-Monroe and Texas State being "real" FBS teams, but they will put 50K in the seats at Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium in Greenville, N.C., when the Pirates of East Carolina (also known as EZU for reasons I can't get into here) are good. And when I lived in that part of the state some years ago, ECU was good.

Underrated - Key Lime pie. Love me some Key Lime pie. Also, Cheez-it are underrated. Pass protection is underrated (I'm looking at you Falcons). Having even a hint of a credible run game (um, that would be you, Steelers, who somehow cut their leading rusher from a year ago right before the season and managed to accumulate all of 18 rushing yards yesterday.) Also underrated - the power of the beard. Lots of facial hair, lots of homers and runs in the Red Sox lineup these days. Never underrated enough - protecting the football. Ain't that right, Florida, New York Mannings and the Fighting Petrinos?

September 9, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Spy- ECU definitely puts butts in the seats. The stadium that hosts La-Monroe (I have visited their campus a couple of times I've stayed overnight in the town) is more tall then wide and given the school's semi-giant killer reputation (They did beat Alabama 21-14 in 2007) went as far as hosting Baylor last year. However, they'll still overshadowed by LSU purple and gold but you can definitely see the maroon faithful roaming the corridor of Pelicanland Mall.

Okay, where I'm going with this..I wanted my examples to be more "realistic" as suppose to using an SEC or other Division 4 team. On a sidenote, I actually got a knot in my stomach during the halftime report (switched to the radio broadcast on and then back to ESPN3 for the second half) when JR brought up the UAB game (The Kirkpatrick/Sanders/Flowers-3.0 era). I was actually AT that game and the 65 yard TD heard around the Tennessee Valley in the last five minutes was a sad, sad day.

I don't consider the Georgia State victory a true FBS victory because that was not a real FBS school we were playing. When we play someone a little more mid-major like a Texas State or a rematch with USF, then I'll consider it a real win against a bigger program.

September 9, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

That Bama team in 07 was bad, as in not good. And from two of Spy's very well placed sources Monroe is the Macon of Louisiana. And that's being kind.

Did Huesman not think the suspensions were ever going to get out? What reason to not at least say those guys were suspended could he give? If they're dressed out, he better tell them not to jump around on the sidelines. Hurt guys shouldn't be jumping. PJ had two guys suspended for the Elon game (yeah, I know, that's not missing a whole lot) but they were on the sidelines in jerseys celebrating.

September 9, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
chas9 said...

Arrrrrgh! Key lime pie!

Love the suggestion of using the DH for Uggla. Freaking brilliant.

A while back I observed that two games in we'd have an idea how UT and UK stack up. Both creamed weak sister schools, but The Vols handled WKU while The Cats did not. Advantage orange. Freshman North is great and UT has a scary defense against the pass, though some of the turnovers were more Doughty being a dope than anything Tennessee did.

I still think Kentucky has two QBs better than Worley, and that should worry Johnny Volsfans. I know W's count more than stats, but take away the turnovers and I'm not sure The Vols were better than The 'Toppers. Those who make lines for a living have Louisville 13 better than UK and Oregon 26 better'n UT, so I don't think they're that sold on Butch's boys either. (Yes, I know The Ducks are mighty, but still...)

September 9, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
chas9 said...

I'm not supposed to like these guys, but you might consider Dean Smith and the chair chucker in the red sweater.

September 9, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

I just hope Huesman doesn't go all Nixon or Capt. Queeg in trying to find out who told Ned Ryerson about the injuries that really weren't injuries.

September 9, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
Maximus said...

Jay, John and Weird Wiedmer,

Keep pushing and Mocs football will move back to the Rodney Allison mediocrity of old. By the way, when Hot Rod was coach, who is still selling used cars by the way in Lubbock, TX the players partied hard before and after getting blown out by their opponents. Huesmann is a very solid coach and person. He is certainly not a media darling and I guess that is why Weird Wiedmer, with his 1983 point of view, is trying to trash him. I've got some advice for Mark, either retire or stick with basketball. Move on idiots or otherwise be just second rate minor league journalists trying to sell yellow journalism. Chatt certainly has enough blood in the streets every night and we know that blood sells newspapers. The Mocs would have most likely lost to a very talented UTM team even with the missing players. If I were Huesmann I would go all Bill Belichek on ya'll and lock John Frierson and Weird Wiedmer out of the media room. I mean what would John and Mark do.....they both have part time jobs already! Now that's fuuuuuuunnnny I don't care what anybody says!

September 9, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
Stewwie said...


I wouldn't go so far to call Huesman a media darling, but until this incident, I believe he's gotten along fine with the local media. Is it too much to ask for the coach to have some integrity and not flat-out lie to the fan base? And this was a bad lie too; did he think the fan base was that dense?

And Belicheat gets away with his socially awkward ways simply because he wins (illegal videotaping optional). Huesman is not socially awkward, so the fans wouldn't appreciate him suddenly giving the local media the silent treatment or half-hearted, stoic answers.

September 9, 2013 at 2:45 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Random thoughts in no particular order: UGA DE Sterling Bailey at this point in the season, has twice as many tackles and the same number of sacks as Jadeveon Clowney. Could this be the year Sterling Bailey wins the Heisman as a purely defensive player?

Speaking of the UGA Defense...It hasn't been pretty at times this season, but we only surrendered six-points in the second half against the Gamecocks. I'm hoping that signaled the turning of a corner. Our talented but young defensive backs have looked very young at times. As will happen. Seasoned veteran Amarlo Herrera is a rock. Amarlo tallied twelve tackles, forced a fumble when he punched the ball out of Conner Shaw's arm, and forced the running back inside and made the initial hit on the goal line stand. Herrera is a DGD.

Some sports editor in Chattanooga, his name is Way Singsong or something like that, wrote a column that appeared this weekend talking about teams making needed adjustments in a big way from the first game to the second. Georgia's O-line played as a much improved unit from Clemson to South Carolina. Good job by the big guys and good call by Hay Needsome, your friendly neighborhood sports editor.

Todd Gurley is good, enough said. If Aaron Murray was scared Saturday, I hope he plays scared all year. Fullback Quayvon Hicks has become a fan favorite rather quickly. Quayvon is load to bring down, a good receiver out of the backfield, a great blocker, and has the best facemask on the team. Justin Scott-Wesley elicited many Larry Munson imitations Saturday, RUN JUSTIN! As did unheralded freshman running back Brendan Douglas in the fourth quarter...He's running over people, oh you Brendan Douglas!

I know a lot of sports stuff happened over the weekend, but I was just focused on that one game so I'll just hang-up and listen.

September 9, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Yeah, Georgia fans mocked Tech for recruiting some two-star running back out of Aquinas in Augusta. Funny, you don't hear anything about that now after he carried the mail in the fourth quarter against South Carolina.

September 9, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Spy, I don't doubt that some of my Bulldog brethren poked fun at Tech on the recruiting trail. However, to be fair, we mock Tech so often it is impossible to keep track of every sling and arrow hurled in the general direction of North Avenue. Brendan is wearing the red-and-black now and looks like a nice compliment to Gurley and Marshall in the backfield. In other words, it all worked out in the end.

September 9, 2013 at 4 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Gang, great stuff.

Here in no particular order is a brief recap.

Yes, Key Lime Pie is underrated. And the Mrs. 5-at-10 makes a mean one.

Maximus, we consider Russ a friend — did before this incident and do still — and have ZERO problem with how Weeds handled it.

And if it's 19083 view to expect to be told the truth or to decline comment, well, hello Reagan Administration and that new Cosby Show is HIGH-larious.

And what was yellow or second-rate about Mark's column?

GD —

Monster performance by the UGA offense. Good stuff, and while the 1 in the loss is 1 more than you hoped, the Bulldogs have played two very watchable and enjoyable football games. Enjoy the pressure-free bye week — you've earned it.

Dean likely earns a spot, but wow, has any great coach done more with less? Granted acquiring talent is Job No. 1 in the college level, but Pitino would have 8-10 titles with Dean's talent.

September 9, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Maximus said...

Jgreeson.....oh how I long for the Reagan administration as compared to the poser we have now. I voted for Herman Cain by the way. As for Mark Weirdman his tone, whenever he mentions Mocs football is most always negative. As for Russ using injury to cover for disciplinary action did you ever think he was trying to protect the offenders especially for seniors from having to handle that awkward question on job interviews after you got suspended from the football team for smoking pot......hmmmm? Russ should move to the withheld from the game for undisclosed reasons comment and move forward. It is unfair to question the integrity of a very good ball coach when you do not fully understand his motives. Anywho let's move on to beating the stinking day lights out go Go Peay then on to the SOCON. It's football time in TN. If y'all want to dwell on an awful story about college football go interview some Vandy players.

September 9, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
Maximus said...

It was not too long ago when UTC football had its own ugly rape case disaster. The bottom line....Russ did the RIGHT thing in not allowing the said players to play in the game and Weirdman knows it. It just gave Mark Weirdman another chance to cheap shot Huesmann. A few days ago the same burned out sports writer was dogging Heusmann for making WOW....$100K! Earth to Mark Wiedmer.....ALL of the head football coaches in the SEC make substantially more than the Governors of their respective states. Vols new football Coach Jones is the highest paid government employee in the state. Huesmann should win the SOCON, go deep in the playoffs and then leave Chatt......the home of burned out sports writers, obese people, murders in the streets, and Honey Boo Boo like low expectations. Chatt will always be a 1 AA town y'all and the sad thing, most of its citizens are fine with that.

September 9, 2013 at 6:08 p.m.
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