published Monday, September 16th, 2013

Sprinklers save lives in fires and other letters to the editors

Sprinklers save lives in fires

On Sept. 2, Chattanooga City Council members succumbed to the myth that requiring life safety codes is bad for business by overturning the 2011 fire code adoption that required sports bars and restaurants with live entertainment to install fire sprinkler systems.

In fact, an automatic fire sprinkler system will extinguish or contain a fire before firefighters arrive and with less water. It prevents toxic smoke and intense heat from hurting or killing the people in the building and the firefighters who are called to respond. Sprinklers not only save money in repairs and restoration but also significantly reduce the risk of injuries and deaths and the heartbreaking costs associated with them.

View the footage of The Station nightclub fire in 2003 which killed 100 and injured 230 people to see the reality of not having fire sprinklers in crowded businesses. The National Institute of Standards and Technology investigation concluded sprinklers would have given those patrons time to escape.

We would think the City Council members and business owners would hold the safety of their patrons, employees and first responders as their highest priority. Sadly, overturning the mandate implies otherwise.

AMY ACTON, VICKIE PRITCHETT, RONALD J. SIARNICKI


Global warming is man-made

The year 2012 marked the hottest year on record in the United States, and it looks as though 2013 is going to result in even higher temperatures. The National Organization for Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has announced that a rise in serious hurricanes will accompany the rising temperatures in 2014. Extreme weather conditions and rising temperatures are not only impacting the environment but are costing taxpayers money. Super storm Sandy, wildfires on the West Coast and a drought in the Midwest cost U.S. taxpayers over $100 billion last year. Yet government officials continue to deny the existence of climate change.

Representative Cory Gardner from Colorado was quoted as saying: "I think the climate is changing, but I don't believe humans are causing that change to the extent that's been in the news."

The science proves that Rep, Gardner is wrong. Ninety-seven percent of top climate scientists agree that man-made pollution is warming our planet. Visit RealtyDrop.org to get the facts.

NANCY SIENKNECHT


Bible clear on sexual sins

I am a Christian, perhaps not as dedicated as I should be, but I do believe that every word in the Bible is the inspired word of God. Consider these verses.

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 9:22. "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." Romans 1:24. My earthly father was a good and loving man however he set rules for me to live by. If I broke those rules he would punish me even though he loved me dearly. And so shall our Heavenly Father punish us if we break His rules.

DARDEN NEWMAN, Signal Mountain, Tenn.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

............................HOMOSEXUAL GENE EXPRESSION*

Consider this: Say, for instance, 'if' there was a 'homosexual gene' that predisposed someone to homosexuality......somewhat like a gene that predisposes one to alcoholism, or, obesity. Well, those people, 'so affected' could choose a lifestyle that causes the expression of that gene, or, they could refuse said lifestyle.

Now, having said that, and, having been a therapeutic counselor for a major Chattanooga mental health center, I have listened to scores of individual heterosexual individuals. These individuals were 100% drawn to the opposite sex (musta' been the 'gene thingy'). Anyway a great number of these individuals would have liked a 'harem', but, chose to follow the way of Jesus Christ.

Some of the other individuals who had yearnings toward the same sex also chose to not enter what they considered an abominational lifestyle which would have caused their (so called) homosexual gene to express itself.

You know......, call it the 'SIN' gene, or, whatever You want to call it. But, please, I , for one will not buy your bag of goods that somebody has to eat feces because of some gene that causes some urge. Yeah, right! Please, go tell that to some poor simple, uninformed, naive, gullible soul!

Ken ORR

September 16, 2013 at 2:44 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

To further validate my above comment I should provide the following significance:

***44% of homosexual men, 36% of lesbians have 'tossed the salad' (involves ingesting fecal matter) by their own admissions.

(above statistics from 2011 National Health Statistics). "From where do these people get these urges?"***

Can You name the number and types of infectious/contagious diseases that can be spread from this loathsome behavior?

September 16, 2013 at 2:53 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

For those who have not yet learned that I only utilize the most scientific citing/references, I offer this PUBMED~ NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH ..REFERENCE: (This in regard to the infectious disease causing homosexual practice of fecal matter interactions behavior).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21573705/?i=3&from=/19543410/related

September 16, 2013 at 4:44 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Go back to bed, Ken Orr. Your posts regarding sexual health are misleading, inflammatory and often incorrect. Not to mention disgusting. And no, there is no "gay gene". Sexual orientation cannot be tied to genes, and is not that simple. I have corrected you on this several times, and you persist in throwing that straw man out to smack around.

September 16, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
conservative said...

Good job Ken!

I have created a folder for your valuable information. To know God’s judgment on the abomination and filthiness of Homosexuality/sodomy is good enough for me but others need details.

Thank you Ken.

September 16, 2013 at 8:38 a.m.
conservative said...

BTW Ken,

You didn't get flagged.

Even children sometimes give up nonsense.

September 16, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I no longer feel obligated to inform posters when I flag if they persist in making the same error, conservative. And of course, Ken has the courage to post using his real identity, something you lack.

September 16, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I can't believe "tickle monster Orr" is still around posting his religiophile trash.

Has his congregation not found him out? Are they not mortified at his representation of them here on the TFP site??

Maybe it's just him and Connie on Sunday mornings.. sitting together in a dark room talking about the excitements of gay love, the fancy fires of Hades, the fabulous bearded sky-man with his emotional issues, the thrill of blood sacrifices, and whatever other interests that keep them adequately titillated.

September 16, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Come out of your closet Orr. Between you and Conservative it's a tossed-up salad as to who is the most sexually repressed freak.

I suggest a Gay-Off between you two as to who can can use the words gay, homosexual, feces, sin, sex, god, jesus, and love in one sentence without having an orgasm.

The winner would go on to the Ted Haggerd Closeted Circle Jerk with hands-on healing by pretend homophobes like yourself in your hopes to whack-your-gay-away.

Face it, Orr. You're gay.

September 16, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

conservative said...

Good job Ken!

I have created a folder for your valuable information. To know God’s judgment on the abomination and filthiness of Homosexuality/sodomy is good enough for me but others need details."

Conservative has that folder with his other homosexual research material like "Studs, Locker-Room Mem, Men Shower in the Gym, and Conservative's favorite visual material, "Let's Play Protologist."

Orr and Conservative have a large repository of gay "research" material that they study in minute detail over and over again.

Just don't shake hands with them.

September 16, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Yes, I AM very HAPPY that I have been and continue to provide the TRUTH ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY. Desecrating/hijacking language, also, is abhorrent. IE, Etymology 1

From Middle English gay, from Old French gai (“joyful, laughing, merry”), probably a borrowing of Old Provençal gai (“impetuous, lively”), from Gothic (gaheis, “impetuous”), merging with earlier Old French jai ("merry"; see jay).

I AM indeed so HAPPY/GAY knowing that I have and AM providing sufficient information for well-thinking individuals to use wisdom and choose a much less dangerous/damaging and damning lifestyle. I am SHINING the LIGHT on people like YOU and other deceived, and/or foolish, ANTI-CHRISTS!

Your Choice, daytonsdarwin & dao1980, is duly known and recorded in eternity by The Lord God of Hosts, The Lion of The Tribe of Judah. Jesus Christ has seen, He does see. God is not mocked!

September 16, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
conservative said...

Rut Roh Ken!

Now the flag demon is going to try to get you and you won't even know it.

Just remember, greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world

September 16, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Conservative drooled: "greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world"

Conservative still promoting his gay lifestyle. So who is greater in you, Conservative? Is it Orr? Are you greater in him?

You two needed to practice some more after your gay research and compare your dangling participles.

Orr blathered: "God is not mocked!"

Yes he is, along with Pepe La Pew and Elmer Fudd. Imaginary characters are made for mocking, though your Gawd isn't as cute and loveable as Pepe and Elmer. Don't recall Elmer and Pepe killing innocent people, allowing rape, genocide, incest, and slavery as signs of their great love.

Elmer and Pepe don't make you sing sad, weepy songs about lambs being slaughtered, blood, sin, and sorrow. There's no weekly dues for Elmer and Pepe's fan club. Nor is it necessary to believe that Elmer and Pepe will make you burn forever if you don't like them.

Can't you come up with a decent, fun-loving, not quite so psychotic god besides Jehovah?

Here's my choice.

"Your Choice, daytonsdarwin & dao1980, is duly known and recorded in eternity by The Lord God of Hosts,"

I choose a number 3 — a Triple-burger combo with onion rings and a large Dr. Pepper. Can you get The Lord God of Hosts to deliver that soon? Perhaps the Holy Spook can zip that over and I'll give he/she/it a tip, though the last time the Holy Spook forgot the extra ketchup.

September 16, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Silly closet-creep, kid-tickling, wallet-pilfering, congregation-humiliating Orr, you understand the implications of our English word "eternity" to about the same extent that a fish understands the purpose of a bicycle.. and THAT is obvious to all who reads these posts. (except maybe your closet buddy Connie)

I can guarantee that Sky-Daddy is not pleased with either you.

In fact, he may be planning something pretty unimaginably terrible just for you'ins, after all of the hateful dishonesty you've spread throughout your wasted little lives.

September 16, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Ever wonder how the Hitler Youth were indoctrinated? The Nazis didn't have anything on Jesus Camp.

Isn't this child abuse? Welcome to the world of Orr and Conservative.

September 16, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote: "Now, having said that, and, having been a therapeutic counselor for a major Chattanooga mental health center,"

Which one Orr? What are your "credentials?"

Is this another one of the continuing stream of lies you've offered for two years?

Therapeutic Counselor? Isn't that what they call them at massage parlors?

Orr, you're a joke—a mentally disturbed, pathological liar, closeted sex pervert, and now you're claiming to be a Therapeutic Counselor?

I suggest you and Conservative get together to practice on each other. You could open a business together on I-75 near the East Ridge exit.

"Therapeutic Religious Massage" — where Coming Home to Jesus Has Never Felt Better. Ask about our Rapturous Happy Ending!

Open your parlor near a liquor store and adult bookstore to increase the Baptist and Pentecostal business.

September 16, 2013 at 2:45 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hey dao1980>>> The Lord God of Hosts told me something for which I think You would be wise to listen to very carefully: SELAH

Isaiah 49:25

"But thus saith the Lord,...for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee..."

Ken ORR

September 16, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Greatest gratitude and Thank You to Conservative~for Your kind support/encouragement through The King of Glory, Jesus Christ!

Thanking Jesus for every single drop of His precious blood shed,

Ken ORR

September 16, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Still avoiding the tough questions, Orr. You've claimed scientific credentials, and now you claim "having been a therapeutic counselor for a major Chattanooga mental health center" but won't provide details.

More likely a patient in a mental institution. Your pathological lying is symptomatic of religious fundamentalism. Does the bumper-sticker on your car say "Liars for Jesus?"

You've been busted again, Orr.

But you still provide laughs as in this video.

Did you pick-up that head-slapping stunt from the Three Stooges or did Gawd tell you that move made you look cool?

September 16, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Alright, alright, a-l-r-i-g-h-t! daytonsdarwin! You always want proof. Well, my word is my bond. But, if i must. You do provide some of the most, nearly violent, gutsy laughs. Your art at humor is supreme. I just wish You were a Christian. So, here goes.

Two years as a Mental Health Technician (MHT) at Marshall Pickens Psychiatric Hospital, Greenville, SC

Two years as an Alcohol and Drug Abuse Counselor Assistant at West Central Georgia Psychiatric Hospital, Columbus, GA

Eight years as a Mental Health Counselor at (then named) Joseph (Joe)Johnson Mental Health Center~Now Volunteer Behavioral Health Center.

Approx. two years Alcohol and Drug Abuse Therapist Assistant at Highland Rivers Mental Health Center, Dalton, Ga

'I B-4-Real daytonsdarwin'! +(:>[&=;

September 16, 2013 at 8:42 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Your claims of employment are not credentials. Where did you graduate with degrees in the relative fields?

Counselor does not equal therapist, social worker, psychologist, or cognitive behaviorist.

Fortune tellers can be counselors as well as religious fundamentalists. That does not imply their counsel is valid, professional, or even helpful.

With your bent for extreme, anti-humanistic religious fanaticism, where you give every answer as perpetually Jehovah, Jesus, or Bible quotes, I can understand that your employment record shows non-acredited positions and turnover.

That is one reason I could never recommend anyone seek psychological guidance from religious fundamentalists. Your goal is not to assist a client in their psychological needs for a tranquility in life's situations, but to convert them.

Christian fundamentalist counselling is like multi-level marketing where the object is not to provide a service or product, but increase members into the Ponzi scheme.

There is nothing you have said or provided in this forum to lead me to any other conclusion.

September 17, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

University of Tennessee, Bachelor of Science. Studied the various major disciplines of psychology at four universities in four different states. I wanted to be certain as to which discipline would be my core focus when counseling. One was required to have the tested skills of a therapist to be qualified as a therapist assistant, and, the state approved therapist status for me. I was only lacking certain 'letters' behind my name (CCT, MS, PHD, etc.) Any questions?

Oh, look up the definitions of Counselor/therapist. kwo

September 17, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Qualifications? A BS means little to nothing. In what field is your degree? What discipline of psychology? What did you do as counselor? What did you promote as the best psychological tact? Were you licensed by the state in which you were employed as a counselor? Why aren't you practicing as a "therapist" now?

Do tell!

September 17, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

University of Tennessee, Bachelor of Science. Studied the various major disciplines of psychology at four universities in four different states. I wanted to be certain as to which discipline would be my core focus when counseling. One was required to have the tested skills of a therapist to be qualified as a therapist assistant, and, the state approved therapist status for me. I was only lacking certain 'letters' behind my name (CCT, MS, PHD, etc.). The Clinicians who got the greater money...well they won (over me!) I had a greater following than the folks who had these designations (in my most humble belief). Any questions?

Oh, look up the definitions of Counselor/therapist. kwo

September 17, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

I have seen the documentary "Jesus Camp," from which ddarwin has provided the clip. I think it's no exaggeration to say that these fundies truly are insane and what they are doing is child abuse. That obese slob of a woman (in the clip) and the many other parents and adults who are active in their brain-washing camp ought to be locked away from society, or at least from children, and treated like pedophiles. They are wreaking emotional havoc on those kids - they're still too young to even be able to think independently and form their own opinions about anything and those Bible thumping Nazis are instilling them with fear and guilt and negativity in a way that will most definitely inflict permanent damage upon their psyches. Sadly, many of them will never recover and remain forever brainwashed, going on to raise their kids in the same hard-core militaristic fashion - to be "warriors" for God. But for the ones who actually start thinking on their own later they will have many issues to contend with on their path back to being a normal, rational human being. Those dictator Bible thumpers are completely robbing those kids of what should be the best, most innocent and care-free phase of their lives.

For those of you haven't seen this movie, I caution you...you will want to throw things at your TV and your blood pressure will go up several points. The adult demons you see in it will really get you riled up. They're disgusting. They make cockroaches look better by comparison.

September 17, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

i don't mean any dishonor or disrespect, but, my Wife is insisting I start on the 'Honey Do' list she gave me. I must go now, but, Lord Willin'...i'll be back. kwo

September 17, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"In what field is your degree? What discipline of psychology? What did you do as counselor? What did you promote as the best psychological tact? Were you licensed by the state in which you were employed as a counselor? Why aren't you practicing as a "therapist" now?

Orr, answer the questions above. Simple questions should have simple answers. Your evasions are not proof or evidence.

Reread the questions. Someone with your "qualifications" should be able to give succinct answers.

September 17, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"The words become interchangeable because mental health therapists/counselors do both things. We use counseling to join with our clients and build a relationship. We use therapies that we’ve learned to facilitate healthy change. In fact, counseling is our most often-used therapeutic technique, because good counsel is, itself, therapeutic."

So when you’re searching for a therapist/counselor, know that both words may be used. Many of us use the word “counselor” to differentiate ourselves from other helping professionals such as massage therapists or art therapists. But we can use the word “therapist” to differentiate ourselves from lawyers and other types of counselors such as career counselors."

Roy Huggins, MS NCC

September 17, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

The documentary "Jesus Camp" can be viewed in its entirety. This is not the simple and relatively harmless Vacation Bible School of my youth. This is indoctrination, brainwashing, and mental cruelty for religious fundamentalism at its worst.

Open your eyes and see what the extreme Christian Right teaches. All that's missing are the snappy uniforms of the fascists.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/jesus-camp/

September 17, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, again you evade the questions you said you'd answer. It doesn't require someone else's words. It requires your answers. Simple answers as if it were a job application.

Is this another case of your lack of credibility? You said you had science credentials, but never provided them.

You said you would answer questions about your professional counseling career, but you aren't providing them either.

Are you the best that Christian fundamentalism has to offer for "counseling?" Have you no shame in your continued deceptions?

September 17, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Waiting for Armageddon" (available on Netflix streaming) is another doc that will hit you between the teeth with the starkness of its fundamentalist message. It's filmed a lot like "Jesus Camp," with the filmmakers remaining silent in the background, not interjecting their opinions into the film in any way. There are many fundies who are eagerly awaiting the "rapture" and even doing what they can to hasten it, through prayer and politicking. Much of our foreign policy towards Israel is based more than some will care to admit on the Biblical notion that Israel is God's chosen and America is somehow obligated to protect it under any and all circumstances. And many of these Bible thumping yahoos are working behind the scenes to make sure that any doomsday scenario will involve Israel at center stage. They are doing whatever they can to ensure that Biblical prophecy, as they see it, fulfills itself. Creepy stuff.

September 17, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

In addition, Rickaroo, is the drastic turnabout of Christian fundamentalism on Jews and Israel.

As a kid, Jews were scorned as Christ-killers, money-grubbers, Satan's minions, and reviled. Israel was seen as a convenient place for all the world to exterminate Jews forever.

The KKK, John Birchers, White Citizen's Councils, all saw Jews as the instigators behind "The Negro Problem" and called for Arabs and Christians to wipe the Jews and Israel off the map.

Even as late as the Nixon administration you have the anti-Semitism of the president and Billy Graham in the Oval Office describing Jewish influence as a world evil.

With the rise of Christian extreme fundamentalism (thanks in a small way to Jimmy Carter) and the joining with the Catholic Church on the abortion issue you then begin to have Israel now as seen as the fulfillment of New Testament prophecy that inevitably leads to the apocalypse and the return of Jesus. Thus, support for Israel began to rise among Christian fundamentalism, not for Jews in general, but for Israel to perform the opening salvo in the Messiah's return.

Israel, not being fools, turned this reversal to its benefit, played upon Christian extremism, and began this renewed interest in Israel as God's Chosen to be protected by Christian extremists.

With the rise of politicians of both parties pandering to this new-found devotion to Israel, you had the election of Christian extremists to Congress, massive support of money, and the diminution of all Arabs, Persians, and Muslims.

The result today are the likes of McCain, Graham, Santorum, and the other neo-cons who give unconditional support for any war that is seen as in Israel's best interest, not the interest of the country of America.

Israel does have the right to defend itself, but so do the Palestinians whose homeland was the territory of Israel before WW1 and the Balfour doctrine.

As long as the bigots of Israel such as Netanyahu and the Orthodox of Israel hold sway, there will be no peace. As long as Christian extremists hold to the idiocy of New Testament prophecy there will be no peace.

September 17, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Well said, dd.

If any politician were asked point-blank if they were basing their decision to favor Israel in all foreign policy matters on some Biblical notion of Israel as being the holy land of God's "chosen" people or of it being the focal point of a coming apocalypse, few if any would admit it. But the notion of a coming Armageddon has been instilled so thoroughly into the collective American psyche by the Bible thumpers through the ages that it is no doubt influencing many of our Christian politicians in a manner that even they themselves dare not admit. Any halfway sane, rational person knows there will be no Christian doomsday or apocalypse (an event of apocalyptic proportions in the near future perhaps but not the Biblical "Rapture") but it could very well be that the Bible thumping loonies who believe in it will do what they can to hasten a doomsday of some kind and in the process will cast it in a Biblical light.

September 17, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Interesting video about the Christian fundamentalist extremists support for Israel. There's no denying the connection.

Notice Tom Delay in the first few minutes saying exactly what is the truth of the connections between Christian evangelicals, Christian extremists, and the government of Israel war-hawks.

These neo-cons including McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rick Santorum, Lieberman, and others who can not wait for American war in Iran.

Want to die for neo-cons? I hope the group above would be the first in line, but guess what? They won't be, but your sons, daughters, husbands, and wives will.

September 17, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It seems that Orr isn't able to answer the questions he said he would respond to concerning his "career" as a therapist in the mental health field.

He was probably called away for a consulation with Oral Roberts or William Jennings Bryan.

September 18, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
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