published Thursday, April 3rd, 2014

Two theories on magnetism and other letters to the editors

Two theories on magnetism

Current news on ultimate origins is reminiscent of the same Scopes question of 1925 and in the same place: Dayton, Tenn. One way to sift through competing ideas on a subject is to see how they do in predicting future events. Consider the field of magnetism. Competing evolutionary and creationist theories exist. Both are quantitative and based on the same mathematical theory of electricity and magnetism. Both theories made numerical predictions in 1984 as to what the magnetic fields of the outer planets Uranus and Neptune would be when space vehicles reached them that could make appropriate measurements. These two planets are of particular interest because the magnetic field measurements predicted by the two theories differed by a huge factor of approximately 100,000. Voyager 2 reached Uranus in 1986 and Neptune in 1989 and made the relevant measurements. The creationist predictions were exactly correct. The evolutionary predictions were very wrong, indeed. The age of the solar system is implicit in both planetary magnetism theories at about 6,000 years for creation and 4.5 billion for evolution. The correctness of the creationist position on planetary magnetism then points a powerful finger at the creationist young age position for origin as being the correct one.

KER C. THOMSON D.Sc., Dayton, Tenn.

Fleenor for Chancery Court

I'm writing to express my support for Pam McNutt Fleenor for Chancery Court judge, Part I. I met Pam playing tennis mixed doubles several years ago, and I have maintained a friendship with her and her husband since that time. Pam is a class act both on and off the tennis court. I have learned so much about the true side of people over the years from sports. Pam is very competitive but fair, honest and a good sport. I am proud to call Pam my friend. I ask all of my family, friends and colleagues to vote for Pam Fleenor for Chancery Court judge, Part I, on May 6 in the Republican primary.


Questioning news selection

I like your newspaper, but why have an article about a woman of ill repute on page 1, but the holy father (pope) on page 6? Just wondered.


ACA works for good

Despite the 50-plus failed Affordable Care Act repeal votes, this Congress has been so fixated on destroying Obamacare it has had no inclination to offer solutions. The only solution offered so far is a health savings account with option to cross state lines to purchase insurance. This savings account "solution" is a cruel joke for the minimum wage worker trying to survive and support a family on $7.25 an hour. Not surprising, the bunch offering the "solution" is the same bunch opposed to raising the minimum wage -- $7.25 works just fine as long as it does not apply to them. This should be a nonpartisan issue. No one should suffer an avoidable death because they can't afford to see a doctor, yet Gov. Bill Haslam's refusal of expanded Medicaid coverage has left thousands of Tennesseans in this needless vulnerable state.

VIVIAN ERVIN, Lynchburg, Tenn.

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lkeithlu said...

First, evolution predicts nothing regarding the magnetic fields of planets. Second, Humphrey's work did not predict anything different than what planetary scientists had already predicted, he just started from a different set of assumptions. Finally, both predictions fell into the correct order of magnitude, not differing by a factor of 100,000, unless you are talking about an absolute difference, in which case 100,000 is within the uncertainty of the very large numbers obtained.

April 3, 2014 at 7:10 a.m.

"The correctness of the creationist position on planetary magnetism then points a powerful finger at the creationist young age position for origin as being the correct one."

Mr. Thomson, when one posits that the earth is around 6,000 years old, the proper thing to do at the end of the letter is to say, "April's Fool!"

That way people will realize you are merely joking and not defending an undefendable and risible position.

Next year, submit your comedic letter a few days earlier so the newspaper can publish it on April 1st.

Still, it made me laugh. Thanks.

April 3, 2014 at 7:34 a.m.
LibDem said...

A Doctor of Science from Dayton? I think allahsyoungerbrother may have spotted the leg pulling.

April 3, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mr. Thomson and Ken Orr seem to think alike - two great religious thinkers (there's an oxymoron for you!) who try to explain the obvious with abstruse theories totally unrelated to what they're trying to explain. With Mr. Orr it's his attempt to make sense of the Bible's blatant and many contradictions by using the theory of exothermic and endothermic energy, and with Mr. Thomson it's this theory of magnetism he uses to defend the "science" of Biblical creationism as the valid indicator of the age of the earth.

Bravo, gentleman! I have never seen two men sound so erudite, yet be so...well, NUTS. You have to work pretty doggone hard to contort your thinking to such an extent in your attempt to justify living in your parallel universe of blind faith in denial of reason and common sense.

April 3, 2014 at 8:50 a.m.

No Rickaroo~

I'm only asking You and others who often have 'blind faith' in science to reconsider things. You know, for example, 'The sun melts wax' [yeah]'The sun hardens clay' [yeah]. For Our Saviour to proclaim that we lose our lives by gaining them, and, we gain our lives by losing not a contradiction! And the many other 'so called' contradictions of the Holy Bible ...are not...contradictions.

Here's one for the 'blind faith' people of science, so-called:

What caused the Big Bang? If nothing caused it, how do you explain a universe governed by "laws" which, itself, sprang into existence by not following laws? [Oh yeah...I forgot about the Parallel Universe Theory]...hey man, science has an answer for everything +(:>

April 3, 2014 at 10:13 a.m.

Then, for You anti-Christ Scientists Faith People, here's another one:

Assumed properties of elementary particles. Since the quantum electron has no physical structure, and no mechanism exists for exchanging energy or transmitting forces, then it is necessary to assume fundamental properties for the electron and proton: The quantum theory assumes that electrons and protons have intrinsic properties of spin, magnetic moment, stability, and inertial mass. The theory makes no attempt to derive them or relate them, but chooses such models that cannot relate its features: a point model is chosen for some occasions, and a wave model is chosen on others. The theory is unable to say if the essence of an electron is a particle or a wave; the theory can only say that an elementary particle is consistently inconsistent!

Well, enjoy Your Science will not bring You eternal life in the Kingdom of Our Dear Saviour Jesus Christ!


April 3, 2014 at 10:15 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You don't even understand what you copy and paste her, Ken Orr. That's the problem with copy and pastes. You don't appear to know any science.

I'll give you a hint: science is not godless. Scientists are not always atheists.

April 3, 2014 at 10:21 a.m.

Wow, Mr. Orr!So you believe the earth is only 6000 years-old too?

April 3, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mr. Orr, I know that you Christians like to claim that "believing" in science is just as faith based as your religious beliefs but you are dead wrong, sir. Science is not faith based in the least; it is EVIDENCE based. The many theories and scientific laws that we have come to know and accept (that is, those of us who use our reasoning powers to do so) prove themselves valid each and every day and have done so for years, decades, some of them for centuries. And if there should be the slightest evidence to the contrary, some scientist or group of scientists would not try to cover it up for the sake of protecting the sanctity of whatever theory or law, as you Christians are always having to do to protect your cherished primitive supernatural beliefs, but rather they would readily proclaim to the world whatever anomaly they had witnessed. And more scientific scrutiny would be rigorously applied to determine the cause of the anomaly. Science is concerned only with facts and discovering the truth, wherever that truth might lead. Religion is concerned only with protecting its narrow rigid beliefs, almost always at the expense of truth.

April 3, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.

allahsyoungerbrother...The earth...after the Pre-Adamite era, Yes, is only approximately 6000 years old. Fact!

April 3, 2014 at 9:19 p.m.


Will You be willing to give a good-faith effort and read my archived posts regarding the 'GAP EXPLANATION' of Creation? I truly believe You would obtain peace of mind regarding the ancient age of our planet. Blessings to You,


April 3, 2014 at 9:23 p.m.

Mr. Orr, didn't they have schools and science where you lived? 6,000 years old?

Did you fall off the turnip truck and hit your head? Or is this just another April Fool's joke? Boy, some people around here need to realize that April Fool's Day is just April 1st. Isn't it time to stop that foolishness?

Have you been hitting the bottle or taking bad drugs?

I already have peace of mind, but it seems you lack all the pieces.

I know, this is a publicity stunt for the Scopes Monkey Trial re-enactment. No intelligent person believes that mankind has only been around for 6,000 years. There's cave paintings in Europe over 30,000 years old.

Egypt had a civilization over 6,000 years ago.

Who would believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Even my seven year-old niece knows that's not true.

Have you ever read real science books?

April 3, 2014 at 9:24 p.m.


Who is this that darkens counsel without knowledge? Please read the following very slowly:

'T-h-e * p-r-e-s-e-n-t r-e-m-a-d-e e-a-r-t-h i-s
a-p-p-r-o-x-i-m-a-t-e-l-y * 6000 * y-e-a-r-s * o-l-d. * T-h-e P-r-e-A-d-a-m-i-t-e
e-a-r-t-h (which had dinosaurs and ape-like creatures)i-s * o-f
a-n * u-n-d-e-t-e-r-m-i-n-e-d
* a-g-e (ancient). Capisce?


April 3, 2014 at 9:32 p.m.

Mr. Orr, are you afflicted with stuttering fingers as well as a mental handicap? I hope you're collecting disability as it's for poor unfortunates like you.

But my niece, who just listened to what you wrote, is laughing and thinks you need to go back to school if you ever went.

That would be my niece, Patty. She's my older brother Allah's daughter.

Patty wants to know if you have any other funny stories. Tell them quick because she's going to bed soon as she has school tomorrow. Patty said she'd save you a seat in her science class.

April 3, 2014 at 9:35 p.m.

No Sir...I just truly desire that You read and comprehend each word and then comprehend the concepts. I mean no condescension. I truly want You to understand what i'm saying. Just a serious, respectful question: Are You of another Nationality besides USA American English? I can speak some Arabic, Hindi, Gujarati, Spanish, Korean, French, German and of course, English. I will modify how I communicate with You, if necessary.


April 3, 2014 at 9:42 p.m.


Do You know anything about Islam?

April 3, 2014 at 9:47 p.m.

Mr. Orr, from the gibberish you wrote I didn't think English was you first language. Are you from Nigeria? Are you from one of those countries where they believe there's real ghosts?

I know that some real backwards people believe those tales, but even little Patty knows that's just make believe.

Well, Patty is going to bed now but she said you the funniest person and hopes you just making up stories. I told her you were so as not to scare her about crazy peoples.

April 3, 2014 at 9:48 p.m.

It is my bedtime now...but...we can continue with a mutually beneficial correspondence in the future. Thank You for spending some time with me. I look forward to further learning. I hope Your night is wonderful!


Oh, I do speak a little Swahili! Really. I have a Friend, Shabba Johnson, of the Zulu Tribe in deep South Africa. Truth +(:>


April 3, 2014 at 9:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

" I look forward to further learning"


You show no signs of ever having learned one thing since you started posting here years ago. You keep posting the same garbage even though you have been told it was garbage. The child is right: you need to go back to school.

April 4, 2014 at 7:29 a.m.
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