published Saturday, April 12th, 2014

Voter Fraud

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Looks like you're taking your marching orders from the DNC, Clay. Follow-up to BO's asinine speech yesterday claiming that the GOP is trying to suppress the Vote. You need an ID for everything, including BO scare, but not to vote, huh. Perfect for allowing all those dead folks and illegal aliens a vote.

April 12, 2014 at 12:11 a.m.

You have to be an ass to believe that there's no voter fraud. Then Democrat Party owns it.

April 12, 2014 at 12:12 a.m.
librul said...

... and you ARE an ass if you believe there is as much voter fraud as is claimed by the rethugs.

April 12, 2014 at 12:22 a.m.

Let me repeat so you can understand, librul, you need an ID for nearly everything, including BO scare, but not to vote? All civilized countries around the world that have elections require voter ID, but not us. Idiocy. Silly BO sycophant, to believe there's no voter fraud is to believe in Big Foot. Go to Chicago and you'll see it in action.

April 12, 2014 at 1:12 a.m.

Even if there wasn't voter fraud, which there is, of course, a voter ID is reasonable and doesn't suppress the vote. BO in his speech does what BO does best, cry like a big baby, and try and cause panic. What a piece of crap POTUS. THE worst POTUS we've ever had.

April 12, 2014 at 1:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

Audience members wore large conference identification badges and were asked to present photo identification for entry to Clinton's speech.

You can vote for them without verifying identity or citizenship but you can't attend their speeches?

April 12, 2014 at 1:31 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"All civilized countries around the world that have elections require voter ID, but not us. Idiocy." - zableed

Those on the right like to use this argument. But what they fail to mention is that the citizens of those other countries all have national ID cards. And righties get their panties in a wad at the mere thought of a national ID card here in the U.S. That would be an "intrusion" by big gubmint, as far as they're concerned. Here, with each state issuing ID cards for its residents, and the issuing centers oftentimes not easily accessible, it is difficult for the poor and the elderly to obtain the requisite photo ID cards.

In the other countries, even if their ID cards were issued regionally, public transportation is vastly better and traveling the distance is not nearly the problem that it is here. Like national ID cards, a nationwide network of good public transportation is another one of those socialist agendas that the righties don't want here because, you know, that's "evil socialism" and all, and we certainly can't have that here in Amurika.

April 12, 2014 at 4:34 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Show me the evidence of widespread fraud and I'll listen to the argument for voter ID, it is nothing more than an attempt to limit the voting of the undereducated and underemployed. As we used to say, it is a solution looking for a problem.

April 12, 2014 at 6:17 a.m.
LibDem said...

Another conservative solution desperately seeking a problem.

April 12, 2014 at 7:31 a.m.
Astropig said...

"Here, with each state issuing ID cards for its residents, and the issuing centers oftentimes not easily accessible, it is difficult for the poor and the elderly to obtain the requisite photo ID cards. "

This is simply not true. An ID card is easy to obtain if you want one.If Repubs were smart,they would amend the "Motor Voter" act to make issuance of a photo ID (good for voting) a requirement in addition to a DL.

Voter fraud is rampant.To deny this is silly. Political machines have been "voting the tombstones" since the country was founded.

April 12, 2014 at 8:16 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Rampant it isn't. But voter registration badly needs updating to remove dead citizens and those who have moved. The potential for fraud is much higher than the record of fraud.

April 12, 2014 at 8:23 a.m.
tifosi said...

zableedofisterix said...

"Looks like you're taking your marching orders from the DNC, Clay. Follow-up to BO's asinine speech yesterday claiming that the GOP is trying to suppress the Vote. You need an ID for everything, including BO scare, but not to vote, huh."

Apparently you don't need an ID to buy a gun. I guess the 2nd Amendment covers that.

If ever there was a person getting marching orders from a political party, it is zableedofisterix. Puppetboy for the GOP. Brain disengaged a long time ago.

April 12, 2014 at 8:38 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Apparently you don't need an ID to buy a gun. I guess the 2nd Amendment covers that."

Well said.

And I guess these GOP blowhards missed the news about Strategic Allied Consulting and Lincoln Strategy Group during the 2012 election. I bet there are several republicans/conservatives on this board that would argue Obama won in 2012 because of voter fraud.

April 12, 2014 at 9:28 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Bennett got it partly right.

A photo ID is not going to stop Demoncrats from allowing Big Foot to vote in their strongholds but at least Big Foot won't be allowed to vote where honest people are doing the checking.

April 12, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
Plato said...

The issue of voter ID could be resolved for the most part, by requiring photos to be added to a social security card. Every legal US citizen has a social security card. This idea is being floated on Capital Hill right now, but is getting dissed by the usual suspects including Rand Paul.

The Pubs want every voter to have a photo ID but when someone comes up with an easy and efficient way for everyone to get one, they are opposed to it - go figure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-embrace-adding-photos-to-social-security-cards/2014/04/10/cfffe55a-c0cc-11e3-b574-f8748871856a_story.html?wpmk=MK0000200

April 12, 2014 at 9:49 a.m.
tifosi said...

Looks like all of conservative's pontificating is having an effect.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2014/apr/10/number-bible-skeptics-rises-us/?partner=popular

April 12, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So is it "who can out-cheat the other"? a bit of a silly issue...anyone seriously wanting to vote can get a card.

April 12, 2014 at 9:55 a.m.
PlainTruth said...
April 12, 2014 at 10:12 a.m.
alprova said...

GaussianInteger wrote: "I bet there are several republicans/conservatives on this board that would argue Obama won in 2012 because of voter fraud."

Wishful thinking will never, ever become fact.

April 12, 2014 at 10:17 a.m.
alprova said...

Our great President stated clearly, "The stark, simple truth is this: The right to vote is threatened today in a way that it has not been since the Voting Rights Act became law nearly five decades ago."

"Across the country, Republicans have led efforts to pass laws making it harder, not easier, for people to vote."

"Voters have been turned away because they didn't have the right identification or because they needed a passport or birth certificate to register."

"About 60 percent of Americans don't have a passport. Just because you can't have the money to travel abroad doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to vote here at home."

"I want to be clear: I am not against reasonable attempts to secure the ballot. We understand that. There has to be rules in place. But I am against requiring an ID that millions of Americans don't have."

April 12, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.

tifosi, there you go assuming anyone who doesn't agree with you thinks the GOP is something special. There's no reason at all to oppose a photo ID, none. All civilized countries that hold elections require that, but not us. We debate this, and debate whether illegal aliens break into our country out of love, and how to reward them for breaking in. Stupid, flat out stupid. You have to show an ID at store when you buy booze.

Dead people vote in this country. That's a fact. I friend of mine moved from California to Tennessee. He's been trying to get his name of off the Californian voter registry for 3 years. They mail him ballots every time there's an election. He votes here, he doesn't live there anymore. All kinds of crap is going on. It doesn't matter what party you belong to, it's a very simple requirement.

April 12, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.
alprova said...

"Dead people vote in this country. That's a fact."*

The way you worded that, there is no way it could be a fact. Dead people are incapable of voting.

"I friend of mine moved from California to Tennessee. He's been trying to get his name of off the Californian voter registry for 3 years. They mail him ballots every time there's an election."

You're full of sh!t. Absentee ballots are not mailed out unless a direct request is made for them.

So either your friend is actively requesting them and is a party to voter fraud himself, or it isn't happening.

"He votes here, he doesn't live there anymore. All kinds of crap is going on. It doesn't matter what party you belong to, it's a very simple requirement."

It's a simple requirement if you are Caucasian. It is not so simple for minorities, which is EXACTLY those who are being targeted with efforts to keep them from the polls.

Why? Because chances are they vote for Democrats.

All your excuses and hypotheticals are not fooling anyone.

April 12, 2014 at 10:30 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Dem's wrote the book on voter fraud. Who's bee essing whom?

April 12, 2014 at 10:31 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Just out of curiosity, do any of you guys (other than Fister) open up these Twitter links PT posts?

April 12, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gassy, do counters to Toon Boy offend your sensibilities?

April 12, 2014 at 10:42 a.m.

Alprova, apparently you've never been to Chicago on election day. Dead folks show up all the time to vote.

Nobody is stopping Democrats from turning out, nobody. There you go again, Alprova, thinking your the champion of minorities, illegal aliens and women. There's nothing unreasonable with having to prove who you are to vote, nothing. You libs have made it into an issue. There're piles of cases of folks voting more than once, votes being cast by dead people an so on.

April 12, 2014 at 10:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Zab: Alpo is all for the downtrodden. except for the victims at his used car lot.

April 12, 2014 at 10:55 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

The biggest case of "potential" voter fraud was in FL in 2000. Is is just coincidence that the GOP didn't bring up voter fraud as an issue until after 2008? Fact, cases of verified voter fraud are minute, at best. Not an issue, just another reason the GOP gives to large donors on why they lose elections. Voter Fraud is just another talking point that keep the masses arguing while they keep passing legislation that benefits only a few.

April 12, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.
tifosi said...

zableedofisterix said...

"All civilized countries that hold elections require that, but not us."

All civilized countries have more gun control too.

April 12, 2014 at 11:42 a.m.
sangaree said...

Why does the state of Tennessee want to ban the U.N. from monitoring elections?

House Bill HB2410 received a 75-20 vote to ban U.N. monitors from Tennessee elections. All votes in favor of the bill came from Republicans.

So they approve for the U.N. to monitoring of elections in other countries, just not in their own backyard.

April 12, 2014 at 11:59 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Yea, I wondered abou that too. Any Republicans here want to proffer an idea?

April 12, 2014 at 12:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Why would anyone want the UN involved in American elections? Huh?

April 12, 2014 at 12:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

Vote fraud is not near as bad as vote buying and there are many examples of that. In years past locally several drivers with a trunk full of 1/2 pints made sure a lot of people who knew not a whit about politics or the candidates knew who to vote for and how to vote. Pick them up take them to the polls take them back and reward them. The only difference today is tax money is used to buy, at a cost much greater than a 1/2 pint, the votes of the uneducated, uninformed, vulnerable and dependent. Contrary to the implication it is not race unique or may be more white than not.

April 12, 2014 at 12:39 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Why does the state of Tennessee want to ban the U.N. from monitoring elections?"

Look at the nuts running this state. Our governor attempted to bribe a company to meet a staple of a party's agenda. Unemployment is high and wages are low, but the legislators are worried about hanging a "In God We Trust" sign or passing unrestricted "Open Carry" laws. The goofs in Nashville are worried about nothing but God, guns, and gays and then they pass all of the state's shortfalls on Obama. Anything good in the state is because of our state's GOP leaders and anything bad is because of Obama. If we had a more educated electorate, they would vote these cons out of office (and I am not implying that they would vote democrat). But as long as the preacher keeps endorsing them at the pulpit, the crazies will keep running the ward.

April 12, 2014 at 12:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...You may be the full one...California is one of the few states in the nation that offers permanent absentee status to all voters.

April 12, 2014 at 12:53 p.m.
alprova said...

"Just out of curiosity, do any of you guys (other than Fister) open up these Twitter links PT posts?"

Nope. If I wanted to see what is on Twitter, I would go to Twitter to peruse that site.

Apparently, pt has design on making this his personal Twitter page.

April 12, 2014 at 1:08 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Alprova, apparently you've never been to Chicago on election day. Dead folks show up all the time to vote."

I don't think you've been in Chicago on an election day either, in order to have the first clue what you are attesting to.

I again reiterate...DEAD PEOPLE ARE INCAPABLE OF VOTING...They are dead.

"Nobody is stopping Democrats from turning out, nobody."

And the more folks like you try, the more determined we are to outvote you.

"There you go again, Alprova, thinking your the champion of minorities, illegal aliens and women."

There you go again, thinking that you know a thing or two about anything.

"There's nothing unreasonable with having to prove who you are to vote, nothing. You libs have made it into an issue. There're piles of cases of folks voting more than once, votes being cast by dead people an so on."

Piles? Where? When?

Cite them. Back up your words for once.

April 12, 2014 at 1:15 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Alpo is all for the downtrodden. except for the victims at his used car lot."

I have no sympathy for deadbeats either, so that leaves you flat out in the cold, Mr. Bankrupt.

April 12, 2014 at 1:17 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, your 12:39 post set off my B.S. detector, but good.

Bullsh!t.....Bullsh!t.....Bullsh!t......Bullsh!t...

April 12, 2014 at 1:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo, ever the Iiar. You know you hang on my every word.

BTW, Alps...you telling a poster to back. Up his words....that's hilarious, moon face.

April 12, 2014 at 1:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova...You may be the full one...California is one of the few states in the nation that offers permanent absentee status to all voters."

But Sir, you're forgetting something. If one leaves the State of California, how will they know where to send a ballot, unless it is requested?

To be EXACT, California allows ANY registered, in-state resident to vote by mail.

To register to vote in California, you must be:

A United States citizen,

A resident of California,

18 years of age or older on Election Day,

Not in prison, on parole, serving a state prison sentence in county jail, serving a sentence for a felony pursuant to subdivision (h) of Penal Code section 1170, or on post release community supervision and'

Not found by a court to be mentally incompetent.

Source: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm

April 12, 2014 at 1:30 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I notice that zableed has chosen to ignore the FACT of what I said - that those other countries use national ID cards, something that righties and libertarians here in the U.S. would never tolerate, what with that being a socialistic concept and all. Yet he goes on repeating himself, oblivious to the facts. What was that word you used in your post, Z? Oh yeah..."idiocy." That's what your feeble argument is alright - idiocy.

The records show that individual voter fraud is almost nonexistent, and you know why that is? Two reasons: the punishment for intentional voter fraud in a federal election is up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. That's hardly worth it for an individual to take the risk of trying to vote twice or vote fraudulently in any way. And secondly, individual voter fraud is the worst possible way to try to swing an election. If any impact were to be made through individual voter fraud, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of voters would have to act collectively in order for their actions to have significant results. Random voter fraud is not only not worth it, it would be insane to even think that the random acts of individuals would accomplish anything.

The fact of the matter is that most "voter fraud" is the result someone or some group attempting to rig an election (think Bush's "win" in Florida in 2000; or if you want to believe that Kennedy stole Illinois in 1960 in rigged fashion, think that), or it is due to technical/clerical error or legitimate mistakes on the part of the voter, things that have nothing to do with an individual consciously attempting to vote fraudulently. And a photo ID will do NOTHING to correct those problems.

Requiring photo ID for voting is a solution to a problem that has never existed. The Republicans KNOW this and anybody who swallows their smoke-and-mirrors tactic is either too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time, or they're lying as blatantly as the GOP jackasses.

April 12, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Roo, if it's no BFD, why are you guys always whining about it?

April 12, 2014 at 2:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

"Libs worship three things: Barack Obama, abortion, and big government." -Chip Woods

April 12, 2014 at 2:43 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Because you RWNJs are the ones making a BFD out of it...out of nothing! We are not going to sit passively and watch the teabagging GOP pass more and more restrictive voting laws in state after state, as they have been doing. If you consider our protestations "whining," well, so be it. You turkeys are the ones who began the whole whining thing in the first place.

April 12, 2014 at 2:50 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Actually, PT, we don't "worship" any of those things. There are many libs like me who consider Obama a sell-out. He talks the talk of a progressive but he doesn't walk the walk. And his rating numbers are in the toilet, so obviously there are not too many libs who worship him.

As for "worhshiping" abortion, are you for real, man?? I don't know of anybody on either side who thinks that abortion is a good thing. Just because we believe in the right of a woman to choose does not in any way mean that we are pro-abortion, let alone that we "worship" it.

As for big government - there is a big difference in believing in a pro-active, democratic government with the interests, welfare, and the good of the people at heart and "worshiping" big government. We believe in individual freedom as much as any libertarian or RWNJ. We just acknowledge the fact that living in a civilized society automatically implies that certain individual liberties must be curtailed in the interests of the common good, a term which you righties and teabaggers refuse to acknowledge but should if you didn't have sh#t for brains.

April 12, 2014 at 3:27 p.m.
limric said...

The GOP’s War on Voter participation (which they’re not even hiding anymore) is a tacit admission that they can’t win in the marketplace of ideas. There is NO OTHER REASON!

If the GOP's ideas and philosophy were truly superior, logic dictates they would be doing everything to attract more people to the voting booth?

Except they’re not! WHY?

But…

The day will come when even the dullards in their gerrymandered districts realize that strange sensation they've been feeling in their rear ends is the humping they've been taking from the pandering GOP miscreants they used to insist represented them.

Then what?

April 12, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Because Limric, Republicans think they only lose elections in districts predominated by minorities (where the voters are simply electing entitlement programs) or if there is election fraud. They can't believe that some people simply don't believe their BS.

April 12, 2014 at 4:26 p.m.
sangaree said...

Rickroo said: As for big government - there is a big difference in believing in a pro-active, democratic government with the interests, welfare, and the good of the people at heart and "worshiping" big government

Very well said. And lest anyone forget, big government has always grown bigger when GOPs are in control.

Another observation: Can someone explain why so many Republicans are jumping the Republican ship and now referring to themselves as Libertarians or Independents? Have they finally come to the realization they've screwed up so badly that they are now ashamed of their own party, and no longer wish to openly identify themselves with it?

April 12, 2014 at 5:15 p.m.

"war on voter participation" That's a joke. Why is there so much voter fraud in the Democrat Party dominated city of Chicago?

I forgot who said it, but someone said that when citizens realize they can vote to get money or things from the government that's what they'll do. That's the strength of Democrat Party. How much can we get? What can we get for free? If not for that, what does the Democrat Party have to offer? Control over our lives, that's it. Trade freedom for stuff. The GOP is trying to be like the Democrat Party. They don't really have any conservative message anymore. Look at Jeb Bush's idiotic comment about love and illegal aliens. Both parties have grown government equally over the last 30 years. To accuse the GOP of that does not absolve the Dems for doing the same.

Conservatives are jumping from the GOP. You have to distinquish between Republican loyalists and conservatives.

April 12, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.

The conservative message of being more self-sufficient and less dependent on others can't compete with the liberal offer of free stuff. Republicans have become spineless and want to be loved by the liberal media. Liberalism, which is responsible for our bloated government, is the problem, whether it comes from the Democrat Party, or from the GOP trying to be more liberal.

No matter how many times you libs repeat it, requiring an ID to vote is not voter suppression. All civilized countries that hold elections require it, except us.

April 12, 2014 at 6:07 p.m.
GameOn said...

I'm sure alprova will finance a car for anyone without a government issued picture ID.

April 12, 2014 at 7:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...my 12:39 post is a fact, I could provide names and if still living witnesses.

I assume you also disagree with the following:

The only difference today is tax money is used to buy, at a cost much greater than a 1/2 pint, the votes of the uneducated, uninformed, vulnerable and dependent. Contrary to the implication it is not race unique or may be more white than not.

Obamacare which is welfare and redistribution regardless of how it is described is all about vote buying. A family of 4 making $80,000 a year gets a subsidy, give me a break.

Are you suggesting those in the category described vote based on their well thought out ideological preferences?

Give a country boy a pair of shoes, some education and a few dollars and they believe being liberal makes them sophisticated. Reminds me of the country fellow making fun of his uppity country friend that accused him of trying to talk proper but do not knew how.

April 12, 2014 at 7:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo said.....

. We just acknowledge the fact that living in a civilized society automatically implies that certain individual liberties must be curtailed in the interests of the common good.

That is about the same as what the leader of China said. Should we just go ahead and adopt their form of government? I am sure it would be a wonderful with only the democrat party in charge. It would be low stress once all the disincentives were in place. What a wonderful world when the harder you work and the more successful you are others benefit equally. How dare anyone be successful and wealthy unless everyone is!

April 12, 2014 at 7:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableedofisterix said...

"All civilized countries that hold elections require it, except us."

All civilized countries have gun control, except us.

April 12, 2014 at 8:04 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Fairmon, why do you libertarians and righties always bring up China or the old USSR or Cuba whenever there is any mention of liberalism? Are you a broken record or what? Oh, silly question - of course you are! I don't know of any liberal who holds up any of those countries as a viable socialist model. And you know why that is? Because they are NOT ideals of socialism. They're dictatorships! Just because we believe in certain aspects of socialism doesn't mean that we want to live in socialist worker camps, wear the same clothes, make the same amount of money, and bow down to a flag with a hammer and sickle on it. And accepting certain tenets of socialism does not automatically lead to dictatorships. Plenty of European countries have successfully blended socialism with a free market system. Socialism is not a dirty word. Grow up. Start acting and talking like adults and stop basing your arguments on totally fabricated premises.

No one is talking about equal outcomes for everyone except you libertarians and teabaggers trying to project that meme on to liberals. Anyone who wants more should be able to go after it but there is nothing wrong with a minimal standard of living guaranteed for all citizens. In a country as rich as ours it's downright immoral for anyone to go hungry or homeless or do without health insurance because we give more rights to business owners to make millions and billions in profit than to provide citizens with the basics needed to keep them alive and healthy.

April 12, 2014 at 9:26 p.m.
alprova said...

GameOn wrote: "I'm sure alprova will finance a car for anyone without a government issued picture ID."

I can't sell to anyone who does not have a State issued driver's license or an International driver's license.

But then, there is no Federal or State right to be allowed to purchase a motor vehicle, is there?

April 12, 2014 at 10:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova...my 12:39 post is a fact, I could provide names and if still living witnesses."

Sure you can.

"The only difference today is tax money is used to buy, at a cost much greater than a 1/2 pint, the votes of the uneducated, uninformed, vulnerable and dependent. Contrary to the implication it is not race unique or may be more white than not."

How does anyone know this for sure? It's not as if there are records of people claiming to vote for politicians due to the criteria you offered.

People tend to vote for the person whom they like the best...who comes off more human...humane...caring...more astute...more personable.

People do not vote for cold fish...those who spew negatives all the time...those who come off not caring...who are inhumane.

"Obamacare which is welfare and redistribution regardless of how it is described is all about vote buying. A family of 4 making $80,000 a year gets a subsidy, give me a break."

I guess you simply wish that your party of choice had thought of it first, because the more I read that people truly believe it's all about votes, the more people seem to come off jealous about it.

Politicians are all about votes and what it takes to get them.

Libertarians have been fighting for votes for two decades and they still don't get it. The group that appeals to the most people will prevail. That's the way it is and the way it will always be.

So long as the losers only attempt to appeal to their core base, they are going to continue to lose elections.

"Are you suggesting those in the category described vote based on their well thought out ideological preferences?"

Nope. See my earlier paragraphs. I think it says it all.

"Give a country boy a pair of shoes, some education and a few dollars and they believe being liberal makes them sophisticated."

I've never heard a liberal describe themselves as being sophisticated. Liberals do have more of a heart beating in their chests than those of other political groups.

April 12, 2014 at 10:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo says I've never heard a liberal describe themselves as being sophisticated. Liberals do have more of a heart beating in their chests than those of other political groups." That's flat out bogus.

April 12, 2014 at 11:13 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "That's flat out bogus."

Hey...you can argue with me all day long and my proof will always be the outcome of certain elections.

The GOP only win where they can protect the access to the polling booths.

Fortunately for this nation, those protected areas are not where they need to be.

April 12, 2014 at 11:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

Rickaroo said...

In a country as rich as ours.

How rich are we? 17 trillion in debt and growing doesn't sound very wealthy.

we give more rights to business owners to make millions and billions in profit than to provide citizens with the basics needed to keep them alive and healthy.

What business selling items that people must buy to live is making unfair profits? Those businesses selling products or services that are discretionary consumer purchases should have fair competition. People can select their source and have the option of not buying. Why is the U.S. trade deficit so huge?

April 13, 2014 at 12:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova said...

Liberals do have more of a heart beating in their chests than those of other political groups.

Another myth like many old wives tales that many people believe. That thumping sound is their hand patting you down to see if there is any money left for them to confiscate. They do indeed want to be the largest most powerful government in the world.

Why is the economy slowing again? Demand is down, check out how much purchasing power Obamacare just sucked out of the economy. It is an insurance plan not a high quality healthcare initiative. It is depending on people buying insurance that don't need it.

April 13, 2014 at 12:18 a.m.
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