published Tuesday, April 22nd, 2014

UAW

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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PlainTruth said...

Tuff noogies

April 22, 2014 at 12:02 a.m.

Good for the VW workers. UAW take a hike. Seeeyaaa

April 22, 2014 at 12:12 a.m.
fairmon said...

UAW could also stand for U Are Whiney. Boohoo, we lost but it was not our fault or because the workers at VW were too intelligent to fall for our line and pay dues for use in political influencing and provide high paid union leaders more job security. Nope it was those not employed by VW failing to support us that did it.

April 22, 2014 at 2:37 a.m.
tifosi said...

In the end, the UAW showed its true colors. They are still the same divisive organization that destroyed Detroit. Nothing new to offer.

April 22, 2014 at 5:20 a.m.
fairmon said...

Two spokes missing from the wheel weakens it and makes the ride rough and the other spokes weaker to eventually break away also.

The nerve of those VW people thinking they can make their own decisions and speak for themselves without paying to have another boss making decisions and rules for them. Do they not understand how we, the UAW, can destroy the business if their employer don't do as we say? Look north to Detroit to see what we are capable of and what we did for that city.

April 22, 2014 at 5:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

The D.C. crowd just don't get it, they are no longer the 600 lb. gorilla and bully in the world economy.

CNBC reported...U.S. tax law is one of the key factors driving companies to make deals. If at least 20 percent of a U.S. company's shares are held overseas, it can re-domicile its tax base and make savings on its tax bill. Buying a foreign domiciled company can be a quick win for U.S. pharma groups, which mostly have a solidly American shareholder base, to bring in more overseas shareholders.

Go Harry, go Nancy and Waxman keep talking and knocking the golden goose and how terrible they are. One brilliant statement by the VP was if they don't like it here let them move. Did he mean good riddance? Would a 20% tax revenue be better than zero? Heaven forbid they reduce prices which could create demand for other products. That could result in jobs and hiring when people prefer to stay home and depend on the government.

April 22, 2014 at 6:31 a.m.
ibshame said...

Still waiting on VW to announce the site of their new SUV production. They had the power all along to end this whole fiasco by making their decision public as to where this new SUV would be built.

April 22, 2014 at 7:29 a.m.
tifosi said...

The decision was made months ago.

April 22, 2014 at 7:38 a.m.
conservative said...

UAW - Unions Are Weasels

Good riddance.

April 22, 2014 at 7:54 a.m.
conservative said...

Mr. Anthony Provancher

Last night you made one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read:

"Christianity is not supported in the Bible."

You then followed that with:

"Sir, you can call me arrogant all day long, but I am hardly ignorant"

April 22, 2014 at 8:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Way to stay on topic, con.

April 22, 2014 at 8:12 a.m.
conservative said...

Hey lkeithlu, since you were a member of a "church" I doubt even you could make such a statement.

April 22, 2014 at 8:20 a.m.
AgentX said...

I am not anti-union, but I am anti-UAW. I spent nearly 13 years in a union, and can see the good and bad. However, when I look at the UAW and their behavior, it's hard to see any good.
I am concerned about VW, given their behavior with the UAW during this ordeal.

April 22, 2014 at 8:25 a.m.
sangaree said...

re: tifosi said... In the end, the UAW showed its true colors. They are still the same divisive organization that destroyed Detroit.

It's not that simple, tifosi. See Forbes: The Unions Didn't Bankrupt Detroit; Great American Cars Did.

Also see: Mitt Romney Profited from GM Bailout 07/2013

Also see: Keystone Auto Parts purchased by Bain Capitol (Remember/Bain+Romney), where GM purchased parts from to build its cars, jacked up the price of the parts astronomically after purchased by Bain Capitol which heavily impacted GM auto industry.

The Union didn't destroy Detroit's auto industry. Greed did. And the fact the city didn't diversify itself, it became so heavily relied on its auto industry when it should have been diversifying in several businesses. The same brought down cities that once heavily relied on manufacturing and foundry jobs. When those jobs left, many cities dried up and became ghost towns.

April 22, 2014 at 8:26 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

When you can tell me how your badgering of alprova about your bible is on topic you will have a point, con.

April 22, 2014 at 8:54 a.m.
Astropig said...

"When those jobs left, many cities dried up and became ghost towns. "

...Yet the union bosses still live as high on the hog as ever. These people are as bad as any CEO you could name.

April 22, 2014 at 8:55 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Since Conservative is SO hung up on…HOMO’s. This’ll surely put sand spurs in his panties. About two minutes long.

Sorry for veering of subject Ikeithlu, but I just couldn’t help it. He he he.

April 22, 2014 at 9:09 a.m.
ibshame said...

"sangaree said... The same brought down cities that once heavily relied on manufacturing and foundry jobs. When those jobs left, many cities dried up and became ghost towns."

Chattanooga was once a center of manufacturing and foundry jobs. Places like Wheland Foundry, Eureka Foundry, U.S. Pipe, Combustion, Scholze Tannery, and many, many others all disappeared and with them went thousands of jobs. What kept Chattanooga from becoming a "ghost town" was the turn from manufacturing to tourism. Of course the problem with that is for many, many years job wages in the tourist industry were never the equivalent of what one could earn in the manufacturing and foundry jobs.

It's why getting a VW production plant here in Chattanooga was so important. Now at least the workers at VW have the opportunity to make more than minimum wage. They can actually make enough to support a family without having to subsidize their income with food stamps or other government assistance programs.

Of course, the danger for Chattanooga is the same as it was in Detroit, Chattanooga must not rely solely on VW. It must also diversify and look to attract others that would allow the workers to make enough to support their families without subsidies as well.

April 22, 2014 at 9:23 a.m.
alprova said...

My life will not be affected one bit by the happenings at the VW Plant and the withdrawal of the UAW from the scene.

However, if VW decides to build their SUV elsewhere, I wonder if the meddling in the affairs by the Tennessee politicians will all have been worth it.

Tifosi seems confident that he knows what that announcement will consist of.

I hope he's right...

April 22, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.

It appears Mr. Conservative had his homophobic suppository inserted again this morning.

Tell me, Mr. Conservative, do you insert the suppository yourself, perhaps a friend (scratch that, you have no friends), or does your god give it to you? Does your god wear a glove or do you take it bareback?

How does it get pass those huge hemorrhoids of misery you enjoy?

Still using Preparation Hate?

April 22, 2014 at 9:51 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

CONSERVATIVE, alkarma believes freedom is not supported in the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. Constitution either.

April 22, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.
alprova said...

joepulitzer wrote: "alkarma believes freedom is not supported in the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. Constitution either."

If we truly lived in a free society, the premise is very simple.

People would be allowed to do whatever they so choose, so long as it does not interfere with another human being's life or liberty.

People like yourself talk a good game of freedom, until it is something you disagree with.

April 22, 2014 at 11:03 a.m.
ibshame said...

"

"alprova said... My life will not be affected one bit by the happenings at the VW Plant and the withdrawal of the UAW from the scene.

However, if VW decides to build their SUV elsewhere, I wonder if the meddling in the affairs by the Tennessee politicians will all have been worth it.

Tifosi seems confident that he knows what that announcement will consist of.

I hope he's right..."

I hope he's right as well. It's really sad Corker, Haslam and the rest of the Repubs saw fit to interfere in the first place. Of course as usual with Repubs, according to their re-written version of history if not for them VW wouldn't be here in the first place. They seem to forget in July, 2008 when VW made their decision to build in Chattanooga, Phil Bredsen, A Democrat was Governor; Jimmy Naifeh, A Democrat was Speaker of the House in TN; Ron Littlefield was Mayor of Chattanooga; and Bob "Nissan" Corker had only been in the Senate for two years having barely beat Harold Ford, Jr, A Democrat from Memphis, for the seat in 2006.

Democrats brought VW to Tennessee but Repubs almost sent them away with their meddling and threats.

April 22, 2014 at 11:18 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"People like yourself talk a good game of freedom, until it is something you disagree with."

You have never posted truer words, Alprova.

It's amazing that some of you actually believe the million-dollar billboard that was/is posted off Shallowford Rd. VW being union or non-union will have no effect on whether or not the plant remains open. Their ability to make money off of their cars and being competitive in the market is the determining factor. It's apparent in many of the comments that most of you would eat a turd if the GOP (or Democrats, for that matter) told you it was tasty.

April 22, 2014 at 11:52 a.m.
sangaree said...

*It's why getting a VW production plant here in Chattanooga was so important. *

according to a few workers in other towns where VW put down stakes, they pulled up those stakes after about 14 years and the people who came to be so dependent upon the company for nice livable incomes were left high and dry.

April 22, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.

Any whining about GOP "meddling" in this is ridiculous given how major unions in this country have the Democrat Party in their back pocket. Hypocrisy.

April 22, 2014 at 11:57 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man, think about what you just typed.

What possible reason would unions have to support Republicans?

Republicans have done their level best to drive unions out of this nation, and have largely succeeded.

If and when they are successful in eliminating the last union, which is questionable, what will it be like to work in the U.S. after they are all gone?

Do you EVER think about that?

Unions are responsible for many of the protections workers have in this nation, up to and including the elimination of child labor.

April 22, 2014 at 12:10 p.m.
ibshame said...

"sangaree said... according to a few workers in other towns where VW put down stakes, they pulled up those stakes after about 14 years and the people who came to be so dependent upon the company for nice livable incomes were left high and dry."

I don't doubt they were left high and dry. It happens all the time when a town or city invests their whole livelihood around one plant or factory. It's devastating when that plant closes and there's nothing left to replace it. That's why it's important for Chattanooga to diversify and not put all of their eggs into one basket. However, in the short term, VW is good for Chattanooga's economic well-being. As long as the jobs are there, they pay the kind of wages one can support a family with and not have to subsidize their income with food stamps, etc. then the people who work there are lucky.

Hopefully, VW will continue to do well in the marketplace and closing won't be a factor.

April 22, 2014 at 12:54 p.m.
limric said...

For those who blindly accept the anti-worker, anti-middle class warfare disinformation propaganda of the ‘Right to Work’ prevaricators, I offer a seven minute documentary on the well-known tale of the rise and fall of Detroit. It wasn’t all the unions doing!

The ultimate goal of ‘Right to Work’ is to break unions so corporations can lower pay and eliminate benefits. It has nothing to do with your ‘right to work’. In other words The ‘Right to Work’ really means you have NO RIGHTS at work!

~We're in a giant car heading towards a brick wall and everyone's arguing over where they're going to sit! ~David Suzuki

Open your eyes!!

Clay’s symbology, regardless of how you interpret its message is very well done. Kudos Mr. Bennett.

April 22, 2014 at 1:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

Sangaree said:

"I hope he's right as well. It's really sad Corker, Haslam and the rest of the Repubs saw fit to interfere in the first place."

I think it is well documented on this site how I feel about RWNJ's.

BUT, I am a believer in our democracy. Senator Corker and Governor Haslam were duly elected by the people of Tennessee to represent them and the investment of their tax dollars. When certain VW officials tried to block any opposing voices to the UAW, something had to happen. There is an element internal to VW that was clearly stacking the deck against any opposition - thus the two week notice of a vote. It was to prevent opposition from organizing. It was not going to be a democratic vote, with only the UAW being allowed to come in and present their case. The State of Tennessee invested $577 million into that plant and the elected officials were obligated to protect that investment. Whether the UAW was responsible for the demise of Detroit can be debated, but the overall perception is that the UAW did precipitate the demise. Tier 1,2,3 and OEM automotive manufacturers from in the USA and elsewhere around the world do not want to deal with UAW. THAT IS FACT!!! If the UAW gains a foothold in the South, you can damn well kiss our automotive future good-bye. Mexico would love for the UAW to flourish here. Mexico hates VW planting a flag here.

The SUV is coming now that this debacle is over.

April 22, 2014 at 1:43 p.m.
tifosi said...

Limric's clouded perception of Right to Work is very misguided and ill-informed. No one chains me to my work place and no one dips their hand in my wallet. I can represent myself just fine. No thugs allowed.

April 22, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.
sangaree said...

I don't doubt they were left high and dry. It happens all the time when a town or city invests their whole livelihood around one plant or factory. It's devastating when that plant closes and there's nothing left to replace it. That's why it's important for Chattanooga to diversify and not put all of their eggs into one basket. However, in the short term, VW is good for Chattanooga's economic well-being. As long as the jobs are there, they pay the kind of wages one can support a family with and not have to subsidize their income with food stamps, etc. then the people who work there are lucky.

I don't disagree with you, ibshame. In fact, I totally and absolutely AGREE with you. I'm just advising that people shouldn't get too comfy and fail to prepare for a time that VW might possibly pull up stakes and move. They should try and save as much as possible. If two are working then try living as if only one is working and save the other paycheck, or as much of it as possible. When people make more they often spend more and end up living far beyond their means on their knew living standards as well. They should still continue to live modestly and save as much as possible. If time allows, take a college class or two in another field. The other problem that brought down Detroit is when revenue started to fall the city began to prey on its citizens to keep the city floating. By that I speak of creating laws and ordinances that lead to citizens paying out court fees and fines, which lead to citizens already struggling falling behind on mortgages, rents, being able to pay necessary bills and buy food. Those things too played a role in bringing down an entire city. If people can't afford to pay property taxes, mortgages or other necessaries that depletes a city or town's ability to function, which leads to its collapse.

Hopefully, VW will continue to do well in the marketplace and closing won't be a factor.

It's not just the market place that determines whether a company stays or pack up and leave, but being seduced with a cheaper, not necessarily a better, offer.

April 22, 2014 at 1:53 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Tifosi, I don't have a problem with VW employees voting against the union, but surely you can't have a positive view of Haslam after he was outed for attempting to bribe VW to discourage unionization.

April 22, 2014 at 2:46 p.m.
tifosi said...

Considering the majority of voters in Tennessee vote Republican - they do not want the UAW here. It was not a bribe. VW was asked before they came here about their feeling on the UAW and they did not support that idea. With that said, it is important to understand that half of the VW Board in Wolfsburg is "Management", while the other half is "Works Council". It is that way by law, established after WWII. In case of a tie on decisions, Dr. Martin Winterkorn is the tie-breaker. It is my guess that the VW negotiators 5 years ago were affiliated with "Management". No "Works Council" would have been involved. Now, the "Works Council" side of matters is driving the effort to get a Works Council in Chattanooga. They were prepared to make a deal with the devil in order to establish a Works Council here. They do not care about the rest of Tennessee and what our plans may be.

Governor Haslam had an obligation to protect the best interests of Tennessee, which in the big scheme of things is keeping the UAW out. While that may harm relations with certain VW leaders, it is reassuring to countless other auto companies that might consider locating here. Face it Gauss, we are in a Republican state. That is why nut-cases like Stacey Campfield get elected.

Initially, anti-union folks had absolutely no voice in the matter. VW Works Council board members saw to that.

Many Germans high up in VW have no understanding of America, nor do they want to. We are just one of sixty-two plants world-wide. China is high on their agenda.

I think the real deal killer for many VW employees was discovering how much the UAW supports the Democratic Party. That idea just seemed like sacrilege. The "United Obama Workers" billboard on Hwy 153 probably did more than Gov. Haslam and Sen. Corker combined.

April 22, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Maybe so, but I don't think it is right that Haslam put 300 million dollars on the table if VW kept out the union. Even more insulting was that back in January (during his State of the State Address), Haslam proposed raises to state workers and teachers at the cost of 210 million dollars. He has now reneged on that agreement. So what I take away is, the state has 300 million dollars to support a GOP agenda, but we don't money to give state employees a raise? I'm sorry, I used to like Haslam, but his behavior on this is borderline criminal. I understand that VW is important to TN and Hamilton County, but in my opinion, the residents of this state have been more than generous to VW. Union or not, our politicians shouldn't be offering more money to a company to ensure donations come election time.

You speak highly of Right to Work, but answer this; When is the last time Right to Work set out on a campaign to protect an employee?

April 22, 2014 at 4:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Workers of the world unite. Power to the people, blah blah blah

April 22, 2014 at 4:17 p.m.
tifosi said...

Gauss - I don't need protection. If I don't like it, I can leave anytime. I chose when, where and how much I work for. I have been abused by an employer and they had my notice within one hour. I get the last say on the matter. Not them.

I know how much it costs for an employer to lose employees, especially good ones. A smart employer knows how important it is to keep good employees. Dumb employers don't stay in business long because they usually run the company in the ground.

April 22, 2014 at 4:41 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

So you were going to leave VW if the vote went the other way? And your philosophy may work fine and well for some, but most won't up and leave a decent paying job just because they don't agree with what management is doing. In my experience, employees will make concessions if the pay is better than what they would normally find.

April 22, 2014 at 4:48 p.m.
tifosi said...

I agree with your assessment of the give and take with employment. The case I mentioned when I left was extreme. There are things that Volkswagen has done that I was very loud about in my disagreement. I have called out managers for being abusive. I have raised a lot of eyebrows with my opinions. But, I have been committed to Volkswagen Chattanooga. I remain committed to the long-term success of this plant. There have been times I did not think my badge would work the next day. You have seen how boisterous I am on this site. I am the same way at work. I will give Volkswagen management credit - if you are committed, they will walk with you. I love working with a very diversified group of professionals. They bring a lot of different views to the table and that is where our strength lies.

We may fuss and fight a lot, but we are passionate about building quality cars.

There were several folks prepared to leave if the UAW were brought in. I would have waited to see, but my resume would have been updated. I get courted all the time. BMW is investing a billion dollars to make the South Carolina plant the largest BMW plant in the world.

The best employers get the best employees.

April 22, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
alprova said...

Clearly, someone loves their job!!

April 22, 2014 at 5:24 p.m.
tifosi said...

With a tag of "tifosi" you have to be a car guy.

April 22, 2014 at 5:31 p.m.
alprova said...

I guess I'll have to wait until they name one an Alprova

April 22, 2014 at 5:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Audi Alprova

April 22, 2014 at 5:34 p.m.
volsam said...

Most of the workers at V.W.( I know several) had already made up their minds on the union vote long before Corker and Haslam came out against the union. Detroit is the one to blame. The bankruptcy came at the wrong time for the union thugs. Everyone at V.W. that I talked to said the UAW tried to strong arm and deceive the workers into signing a card to hold the vote, then tried to use the cards as a final vote. The UAW got what they deserve.

April 22, 2014 at 5:36 p.m.
tifosi said...

Audi rocks! In-house fight at Le Mans this year. Porsche vs. Audi.

April 22, 2014 at 5:38 p.m.
tifosi said...

volsam - I do believe deception did occur. The UAW handed out papers that led people to believe they could get more pay. But, VW and the UAW negotiated in the Neutrality Agreement and pay was taken off the table. The SUV decision is all about money, as it should be. Mexico's cheaper labor vs. automation in Chattanooga.

April 22, 2014 at 5:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo, how about the Audi Alpo Liar? Turbo charged.

April 22, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
tifosi said...

Oh geez... give it a break.

April 22, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffy you're free to suck up to a chronic liar. Have at it.

April 22, 2014 at 5:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

tifosi said...

The best employers get the best employees.

I agree and the employer has the gonads to cut the slackers while unions protect them as done with the porn watching teacher in PA.

Good employers provide competitive pay and benefits and good employees complain when the assembly process or equipment is not working as it should which is not complaining but a good indication they do care. A bad hire is like a bad marriage, it is stressful and should end quick.

April 22, 2014 at 5:53 p.m.
tifosi said...

I am proud to say Google pursued me. They flew me out to the Googleplex in Silicon Valley. They are a top employer in America, but they expect a lot in return. Daughters nixed that idea. And, they don't build cars. :)

April 22, 2014 at 6:10 p.m.
alprova said...

"Tiffy you're free to suck up to a chronic liar. Have at it."

Poor Jack. Keep rubbing that butt. It will eventually stop hurting...

April 22, 2014 at 6:59 p.m.
limric said...

Try to be objective Tifosi. Do you believe VW/AUDI make 'quality' automobiles? Compared to....?

Not the AUDI racing cars (Auto Union Silver Arrows from the past?)which are/were brilliant, but regular soccer mom drivers.

April 22, 2014 at 7:50 p.m.
tifosi said...

Audi is an excellent car. I have had an S4, A3 and now have a TT and A6 in the driveway. Nice benefits working for VW huh? Available to everyone at VW. I sold my Carrera when I went to the S4 with a 333hp supercharged V6. By far the fastest sedan I have ever driven. Took it up to 155 mph on Hwy 111 heading north. Steady as a rock. The TT is a little pocket rocket. The key to driving fast with Quattro is when it starts to slide, give it gas!!! It just pulls right out of the slide. The A6 has a detuned version of the V6 supercharged motor, Very smooth and elegant. Full of bells and whistles. I really can't compare to say a BMW or Mercedes since I have never owned either. I am far from being able to speak for a soccer Mom, unless her name is Danica Patrick.

Volkswagen has been making excellent progress towards improving quality, but not quite up to par with the competition yet. Toyota and Nissan are watching. They had better be watching. Many of our top managers used to work for Toyota. The Passat made in Chattanooga won the Motor Trend Car of the Year right out of the box. I have had a Passat with the V6. Very powerful car with nice standard package. I really want to try the TDI, but they are hard to come by. Almost half of the cars we build are diesels. Diesels require a different driving style to go quick, but have incredible fuel mileage. They do not exaggerate with the fuel mileage on the window sticker. It really will get 44 mpg... doing 80 mph on the interstate. I have had a Tiguan - very utilitarian. And, I have had the CC Passat. One of my favorite in the styling department. Beats anything for styling in the same price range. I had a TDI Jetta and used it to pull my motorcycle to Barber Motorsports Park. Never lost speed pulling the hills.

April 22, 2014 at 8:28 p.m.
tifosi said...

Same diesel technology in VW/Audi TDI that goes into this TDI... http://blog.caranddriver.com/audi-unveils-r18-tdi-with-big-changes-including-a-roof/

April 22, 2014 at 8:53 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

One of my cars is a 2012 Jetta TDI. I average 50 mpg on the freeway. Great car.

April 22, 2014 at 9:08 p.m.
tifosi said...

That is the same year I had. Love the styling of the front grille. They should have stuck with it. Very distinctive and sets it apart from others. Lots of torque.

April 22, 2014 at 9:15 p.m.
limric said...

I too have driven the TT, yes it’s a little pocket rocket…mm sort of; but it will swap ends as quick as ya please if you’re not on top of it (and even if you are). So do Porches but the over-steer is MUCH more predictable. The TT is, in a word, unstable.

While I think their engineering is very very good. Their execution- not so much. How much to repair a VW or an Audi (which do have reliability issues) compared to a Ford- or even a Honda? WOW! It makes one gasp. How many 10 year old Audi’s do you see plying the roads with the domestics or Japanese cars? Not many. There’s a reason for that.

I have driven, and had friends and relatives who owned them (both VW & Audi) over the last 3 decades - they just don’t hold up. ALL of them have had major mechanical (expensive!) problems. This is not counting the little niggling issues (AC vents break in a month, knobs cracking etc). None would buy them again. I think VW’s (as well as Audi’s) are, as a whole, sub-par.

While not an Audi or VW, I have a friend who owns a BMW 3 series that doesn’t even have a PlainTruth – oh sorry, I meant dipstick. Are they that good does that it justifies the pathology behind this kind of malignant thinking? Umm no. But I digress…

I'll stick too my ‘ugly cheap’ Subaru & 1970 Chevy Pickup until I get enough money for a new Stingray and be able to keep up with an Enzo while not giving a sh!t about dust rock chips or reliability (or a 2003 EVO that’ll blow the doors off ANY Audi).

Until I blow it up…which I have done in the past.

April 22, 2014 at 9:22 p.m.
tifosi said...

Bring that Evo with my TT... hmmm say the Dragon? It won't swap ends in front of you. :)

April 22, 2014 at 9:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

My butt is fine, Alpy. Just pointing out the truth. Something you play with. You fraud.

April 22, 2014 at 9:57 p.m.
alprova said...

You're not gonna give up, are you? You're as stupid as can be.

And since you decided to poke a little fun at my amputated leg the other day, I'll return the favor;

How many Depends diapers do you go through each week, dealing with the incontinence issue you wrote about last night?

God forgive me, but this is one guy who needs to be cyber-slapped on a daily basis.

And I'm just the guy who can do it.

April 22, 2014 at 10:19 p.m.
limric said...

I wouldn't know if you did spin anyway, as I tend not to look in the rear view mirror all that much.

As Raul Julia said, "Whatsa behind me, is not important."

April 22, 2014 at 10:47 p.m.
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