published Sunday, April 27th, 2014

Why did Bush get a pass? and other letters to the editors

Why did Bush get a pass?

President George W. Bush looked into Putin’s soul and saw only goodness. With a more insightful search, would he not have found the KGB and a hammer and sickle? On Aug. 8, 2008, Russia invaded Georgia. The reaction of (conservative columnist) Charles Krauthammer was, “I don’t think the Russians are reckless … what they are doing here is reasserting control of this province … it’s beyond our control.” Bill O’Reilly agreed. The Heritage Foundation’s response: There are “no easy answers.” John Bolton, arguably the biggest hawk of all, gave Bush a pass. Not one of them encouraged Bush to do anything, and he did nothing. There was no American response of any substance. Message from Bush and his supporters to Putin: You can move into Crimea or any former Soviet satellite without reprisal. These are the same people who say President Barack Obama, applying sanctions that hurt, is weak in dealing with Putin. Many of them consistently put their political agenda ahead of our country’s interests.

JOHN BRATTON, Sewanee, Tenn.

Bennett belittles Christian faith

Today was Good Friday. It was a day when many of us spent time in solemn prayer, remembering Our Lord’s great agony and bloody sweat shed for us and for our salvation on the cross. To open the newspaper and see Clay Bennett’s cartoon of a scientist sticking out his tongue and shouldering a cross was both offensive and a sacrilege. Regardless of the point Bennett was aiming for in the drawing, Jesus’ Passion and crucifixion on Good Friday is not fodder for cartoons. I was shocked and disgusted. Is nothing sacred anymore? I love our newspaper, but if Bennett is allowed to continue to belittle the Christian faith in upcoming cartoons then I’ll have no choice but to cancel my subscription.


Business trumps government

David Cook (April 18) offers evil diagnosis and senseless prescription. Diagnosis: inequality. Solution: public schools. Are we equal to tax collectors? No, they worsen inequality in the hypocritical “effort” to reduce it. Likewise, O’Romneycare hired no doctors to equalize health, but hired thousands of IRS agents and wrote thousands of pages of rules to make power less equal. The very idea of equalizing by government force makes inequality worse instead of better. Repent of the idea and forsake it. Liberals, are you broad-minded enough to consider you might be wrong? Or are you too arrogantly narrow-minded, wanting to run other peoples’ lives, like Jefferson Davis, in the name of making them “equal”? Another way you’re wrong is by preferring government over business. To get money, a business has to keep its customers happy, but government gets paid whether its customers like it or not. If McDonalds makes me mad, I go to Burger King without waiting for the next election. Government makes winners and losers — Biden over Palin — but business offers diversity: burger, taco, pizza, sub, and sushi all at once. Schools? Visit the home-school fair at Camp Jordan July 18-19.


Thoughts on Martin’s column

David Martin’s column (“The Great Campaigner Takes His Bow”) is a fun-filled recount of Barack Obama’s resume as a successful political campaigner. I believe it a reasonable assessment of an ambitious politician. Reading the account, however, one might presume Obama is the only person who has ever done that — or perhaps only Democrats like Bill Clinton would behave in that fashion. Well, that’s pretty silly, isn’t it? Calvin Coolidge, as a good example, spent exactly 30 years on the government dole while espousing the sort of laissez-faire economics that culminated in the Great Depression (and while taking summers off). How long have basically failed actors like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum been at the political game? And are they still asking you for money? Martin ends his piece with the clever, “So the great campaigner takes his bow. Almost 20 years on constant tour and all I got was this lousy insurance cancellation notice.” Amusing. Really, David? Got a sad Obamacare story to tell or is this comedic license?


Bring back Curtis Adams

I have known and liked Curtis Adams for many years. I was sorry when he chose to leave the County Commission and am very happy he is once again seeking that office. For 22 years, Curtis represented this area very well and worked diligently to make it the wonderful place it is. He is a great ambassador for our area. Twice when local square dancers were hosting the state square dance convention, I asked Curtis to make the welcome remarks. Curtis excels at that; in fact a dancer from Memphis told me that Curtis could influence him to move here. No commissioner has been more available to constituents than Curtis, and I have missed that. I love living in East Ridge, and I am sure that Curtis shares that feeling. Let us return him to the County Commission, where he belongs.


Gun rights guaranteed

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” And, no, that’s not talking about the “national guard,” liberal-speak not withstanding. After April 13’s, Times editorial rant against legal gun ownership, I’m about ready to drop my subscription, especially after the recent price hikes. About the only things we look at are comics (not Clay’s — those aren’t funny) and the TV guide, anyway. The editor is living in fantasy land with regard to the “wild” West. Too many movies? Carrying guns kept everyone pretty polite and civilized in those days. It is doubtful that any of our Nashville lawmakers are actually “hillbillies.” Besides, so what if they were? How many of the multitude of shootings in the Chattanooga area since January 2013 were committed by law-abiding, responsible gun owners?


Manuel is trustworthy

I want you to know I strongly recommend Joe Manuel for chancellor. I have been a Realtor in Hamilton County for many years and have known Joe for more than 30 years. I have observed Joe both in business transactions and personally. I have dealt with a lot of attorneys over the years. I have always been impressed with Joe’s legal knowledge and even temperament in the face of emotional issues. Chancery Court is about so much more than guardians or conservators. I absolutely trust Joe to listen calmly and patiently and then reach the correct decision. I hope you will join me in voting for Joe Manuel.


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"Jesus’ Passion and crucifixion on Good Friday is not fodder for cartoons."

Of course it is! A cartoon depicting a scientist carrying a cross that represents the superstitious beliefs of those who believe in a literal Bible, but turn to science for its benefits is hilariously satirical.

How sad your little life must be. I've yet to meet a happy and humorous fundamentalist who couldn't dampen a joyous occasion with their pretend piety and assumed public suffering.

How happy the world could be if all the extreme fundamentalists of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity could be segregated on some little island to scream, fight, and kill each other for their petty gods and putrid sense of divinity that commands hate.

The rest of us could enjoy our lives without the noise and insanity of imaginary gods and their inspired mayhem. Heaven on earth without religious dogma, creeds, and superstitious tripe.

April 27, 2014 at 8:01 a.m.
LibDem said...

(The nice thing about allahsyoungerbrother is that he's always calm. No offense intended.)

You are right, REV. LATHAM. Mr. Bennett has a gift for bringing out the self righteousness in the sheep. Your faux outrage will look good in your resume.

April 27, 2014 at 9:25 a.m.
moon4kat said...

"Polite and civilized??!" Ha! What Mr. Haymaker, Sr. sees as "polite" is actually fear, anxiety, and extreme caution when sane people are forced to be in the presence of strutting, gun-toting bullies. Georgians may enjoy their new lax gun laws, for a while. Meanwhile, we will never enter a restaurant, bank, store, or any other public establishment that allows patrons to bring in guns.

April 27, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
moon4kat said...

If our President is perceived as being "weak" by other world leaders -- as some on the right have claimed -- we know who is responsible. That perception is a direct result of the disloyal Republican opposition and its right-wing hate machine. They have done everything possible to undermine a legitimately elected U.S. President, and make his job harder, even when the programs and policies are ones they supported in the past.

April 27, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
Plato said...

Could someone please interpret Mr. ANDREW LOHR's letter? I've read it three times, and so far the only point I have been able to garner is that Burger King is better than Obama.

April 27, 2014 at 10:12 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Rev. Latham, it's commendable - kinda, sorta, not really - that you invest so much passion into a fairy tale but, after all, that IS what you are trying so hard to breathe life into. It's too bad the stories of the earth's creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the flood, Job and his afflictions, Jonah and the whale, Moses' parting of the sea, and yes, the entire Jesus story do not begin with the words that they rightfully should: "Once upon a time." Maybe then you Christians would have the sense to read them with the proper perspective - as the fairy tales that they are.

April 27, 2014 at 10:30 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Liberals, are you broad-minded enough to consider you might be wrong?" - Andrew Lohr

Andrew Lohr, are you broad-minded enough to consider you might be a babbling idiot?

The day you righties start speaking in ways that make sense, free of hyperbole and distortion, we can begin to have a mature debate about the issues. But as long as you distort the narrative, as you right-wingers do on practically every issue, you might as well be speaking in tongues.

Who on the right started this notion that liberals think everyone should be "equal?" We realize the absurdity of that idea as much as you do! Creating equal OPPORTUNITIES for all, which is what we are all about, is not the same thing as trying to create equal OUTCOMES. But please...don't let me burst your little bubble of delusion. I realize it's so much more fun for you to hate us when you cling to your stereotypes of liberals as evil socialists hell-bent on destroying the free market system and forcing everyone to live in socialist worker camps, wearing the same clothing, eating the same gruel, and bowing down to a flag with a hammer and sickle emblazoned on it. And that is pretty close to the image of liberals that your right-wing propaganda machine of Faux News and the plethora of babbling TV/radio talking heads crank out on a daily basis. Obviously you have been listening. And now, like a good little neo-con trooper, you are spouting the same kind of BS.

April 27, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.

"(The nice thing about allahsyoungerbrother is that he's always calm. No offense intended.)"

No offense taken! Laughing at oneself beats all the frowning, dour, and miserable little gods and their unhappy followers. Can't understand why they're are no joyful, tranquil, peaceful gods.

I do have a question. I've seen posters have video and pictures in their posts. How does one do that?

Thanks in advance and watch out for Thor the next few days. He's bringing rain, hail, lightning, and thunder. I must build my sacrifical altar to appease his wrath!

April 27, 2014 at 12:36 p.m.


Do You not know, have You not heard? Science [So-Called], experiences total 'REVERSALS' in it's faith/beliefs/conclusions, etc. at least every TEN YEARS! [So-Called] facts of science [So-Called] only last for TEN YEARS. The Word of God, The Lord Jesus Christ, never changes, and lasts for ETERNITY. We Christians have more wisdom than to buy Your bag of foolish goods. Get in Your time machine, go back to the 1930's, 40's and 50's, get a prescription from Your ...'Scientific' Medical smoke cigarettes for health reasons, die of lung cancer/heart-circulatory disease, then go to an eternal damnation with Your Science [So-Called] cronies...IF, and, ONLY IF>>>>>>>You CHOOSE to go that way.


April 27, 2014 at 12:40 p.m.

"Professing Themselves to Be Wise, They Became Fools."

Holy Bible, KJV, Book of Romans, 1st Chapter.

April 27, 2014 at 12:44 p.m.

Frankly, Mr. Orr, it's hard to take an adult seriously who is afraid to type the name Jehovah and Satan.

I've read your previous posts going back many months. I must admit I've never seen someone so homophobic and quite so intellectually challenged about science and the scientific method.

Add to that your complete nonsense about pre-Adam time and it's clear you have no understanding about your own Bible.

All are Christians as confused as you or are you just off kilter?

Between you and Mr. Conservative, my eight-year old niece knows more about science than both of you.

Do you not understand about metaphors, similes, and basic English? How does any rational, intellectually half-sane person accept the Bible as literal?

Please Mr. Orr. There are remedial science classes for those like you who haven't the faintest idea about science but cling to antiquated superstitions about the universe.

Watch "COSMOS" with Dr. Tyson and maybe you'll begin to get a grasp of science and the methods of science and put your literal Bible to rest.

Your world of pretend gods is shrinking everyday as science advances. Science is not a theory, it's process. That means that bad science is replaced by better science in a continual process to eliminate what is untrue. Your brand of Christianity is petty, small-minded, with no basis in history, science, and reason. It's also mind-numbingly funny that an adult is so deluded by fairy-tales.

PS. Santa Claus in not real either.

April 27, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

And speaking of babbling idiots...

Thank you, Mr. Orr, for your inspiring contribution. You always make me feel so good about myself. I am eternally thankful that I do not view the world through your Bible besotted brain.

April 27, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.
LibDem said...

Sorry, allahsyoungerbrother, but I lack the technical knowledge to help you with attachments. (This is my second attempt with this post since I lost the content earlier.)

Your comment about joyful gods reminded me of a conundrum. Jesus was a motivational speaker who toured the countryside. Clearly, he would have opened his presentations with a couple of Jewish jokes. What happened to these? Why were they not transcribed?

April 27, 2014 at 2:48 p.m.

You mean Scheky Christ from the gefilte-fish belt in the Catskills near Jerusalem? Now there's a messiah worth watching.

There's a two-loaves and five-fish minimum.

April 27, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.

from Mr. Orr: "Do You not know, have You not heard? Science [So-Called], experiences total 'REVERSALS' in it's faith/beliefs/conclusions, etc. at least every TEN YEARS! [So-Called] facts of science [So-Called] only last for TEN YEARS. The Word of God, The Lord Jesus Christ, never changes, and lasts for ETERNITY."

Seems like Galileo was right, with Copernicus, with Newton, with Einstein, with Crick, with Krauss, with Tyson, and the list goes on.

About everything? no. That's why science goes forward. It continually checks, re-checks, and checks again. That's progress.

Your theory is stuck in superstition, wild stories, and not a bit of science. That's why creationism, intelligent design, and all religious-based theories fail as science. You've bought into a story that can never be proved, nor is there any evidence.

That's the reason it's not science - it doesn't use the methods of science. It uses a supposed revelation that is not testable, nor falsifiable,and that's not science.

Science has nearly doubled the life expectancy in the last hundred years. Religious fundamentalism, faith-healing, prayer cloths, and holy oils have only extended the ignorance of the flock and deepened the pockets of religious con-men.

Believe what you want, but it's not proof or evidence of anything except wishful thinking.

IS there a god, gods, goddesses, or some deity somewhere? It's not probable, but possible. Science never reaches absolute truth but searches for what is false to get closer to the truth.

Is the Biblical Jehovah real? No. The Bible is full of contradictions, mistakes, inaccurate history, for which there is no evidence. Patently false.

Get rid of the miracles, the supernatural, the magic men, and all you are left with is a morality tale like other works of fiction.

President Thomas Jefferson knew that and created his own Life of Jesus book.

If only you Christians would leave the fairy-tales behind and stick to "Do unto others" and the Good Samaritan stories, you might have something.

But as long as your claims of divine revelations, magic, and miracles are the major portion of your gospel, your history and make-believe science, you fail. Miserably.

April 27, 2014 at 5:42 p.m.


It is indeed undeniable that we disagree with one another. Also, the fact is that I honor the light that is within You. +(:>


April 27, 2014 at 9:43 p.m.

The light I have chosen is for reason, science and the search for truth in an open mind for the wonders for the universe.

As long as you have beliefs in supernatural beings and ancient explanations of natural events you have chosen fear, mental incoherence, and a retreat from knowledge into a realm of superstitions and darkness.

That is what your god demands. That is you have freely chosen.

Slaves who are physically shackled still can practice mental freedom.

You have placed the handcuffs and leg irons of mental slavery upon yourself. That is the worst form of slavery, self-imposed and satisfied.

April 27, 2014 at 10:25 p.m.

Some 'Lava' for thought

Remember the eruption of Mount Saint Helens? Well a lot has been learned over the years about our [So-called] multi-disciplinary Science fields. For those with die-hard faith in Science [So-Called], You may enjoy the following reading: +(:>%=:


The Mount St. Helen eruptions produced unanticipated results: A scalding hot cocktail of mud and lava plunged down a valley, rapidly carving a deep hard-rock canyon and a new water course at the bottom. If geologists hadn't been there this time to witness the infamous 'before and after', they might blame the poor river for slowly worrying stratified walls to a depth equaling MILLIONS OF YEARS! They also found trees petrified to fossil hardness by quick infusion of vaporized minerals. Hey! This process had never been observed before now! (WOW, IMAGINE THAT! +(:> Whole forests were blasted out of the ground; glaciers melted into lakes. The sudden deluge liquefied mountains and submerged the trees; currents re-situated timber into layered patterns-many floating upright to appear like new growth amidst the thousands previously felled. As more mud and lava silt over, it is evident how that similar killing fields, exhumed, became WHOLLY a 'calendar' of millennial cycles. [Piltdown Man Paleoanthropological Hoax Anyone?]Yes...the misinterpretation was dubbed as 'marked periods of reforestation' which followed catastrophic events. Suddenly geologic time is compressed to mere months and years before our very eyes!!!

Dare we suppose that 'SCIENCE' may regroup and reconsider all previous 'Grand Canyon' scenarios? Remember those old stories about global eruptions triggering a transcontinental flood---Biblical and other versions---Perhaps not so far-fetched after all!

author unknown< sorry, but, I still agree!

You keep Your faith in Science [So-Called], I'll remain in the 'Ark of safety' (pun intended) with faith in The Lord God of Hosts, Jesus Christ.


April 27, 2014 at 11:40 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Pure BS, Orr. Pure BS. Of course you and ConMan refuse to answer this question, but "If you don't believe in "science" and you think "science" is evil, then why do you go to the doctor or hospital and not to church"?

April 28, 2014 at 7:33 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And your post reveals how someone with no knowledge of geology can be fooled into believing anything.

April 28, 2014 at 7:34 a.m.

Mr. Orr's conclusions and inability to understand science are similar to Ken Ham's Creation Museum where dinosaurs and people co-exist, the earth is 6,000 years old, the Grand Canyon was the result of a two-week rain, and fossils are placed in the geologic strata by Satan.

It's sad that impressionable children are raised by such scientific illiterates in a close-minded and mentally harmful environment.

Fortunately, most of those children will mature and reject such backward teachings and find science to be their friend, beneficial to humanity, a savior of lives, and will put those notions of religious theology in the trash.

Those that don't will become the Ken Orrs and Ken Hams of tomorrow, clinging to the ideas of superstition and magic in a last gasp to believe they are specially chosen by their imaginary friends.

Some people never grow up and remain emotionally and mentally immature. In this case it's a mental illness called creationism and intelligent design.

April 28, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
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