published Monday, February 10th, 2014

Children aren't mere statistics and other letters to the Editors

Children aren't mere statistics

Regarding the editorial "Tennessee gets A+ for License Plan: Outcomes in education are really all that matters": Everything a child learns can't be quantified as an outcome. Students need to learn academics, but they also learn kindness, compassion, citizenship, cooperation, respect, and how to have fun and create and that they matter. Each child is unique, and all experiences away from school are unique. Teachers who come to work willing to attempt to meet the needs of 20 or more students with different styles of learning, different talents, different personalities, and from different situations should be applauded, encouraged, supported and helped. If you are the parent of more than one child, you know they hear differently, see differently, play differently, learn at different paces, enjoy different things and are delightful in different ways. Imagine the diversity of 20 or more students in a classroom, and thank the teacher. Don't support plans that consider any child a statistic.

JOANNE PHILLIPS, Retired teacher, Hixson


Chattanooga will prevail

The American Bible Society and the Barna Group did surveys of 100 U.S. cities and ranked them according to regular reading of the Bible and belief in the truthfulness of the Bible. The city found to be most Bible-minded city was Chattanooga. The least was Providence, R.I. The American Bible Society noted that common geographic stereotypes were found to be true. The South is the most Christian region in the U.S. Numerous cities in the Northeast and in California were found to be the least Bible-minded. Researchers found having a large population decreased the Bible friendliness, while having a Christian college in the city increased the Bible friendliness. Some cities, especially in New York and California, have chosen to reject God's word and love and have gotten more evil and lead the country in abortions. Those cities and individuals that reject God's word and love get his judgment and wrath, and most won't be around in 10 years. For cities like Chattanooga that love God's son Jesus and his word, Jesus may make a city on a hill that may last 1,000 years!

DANIEL NAVE

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kkemerait said...

Well Daniel,

I stand with education and the exercise of thoughtful consideration as being a better platform for the future of humanity than ancient philosophies or theologies which may have little or no empirical support.

Morals, to be effective, need to flow from the convictions of the individual and cannot be thoughtlessly grafted from an external source nor should they be adopted as a result of divine fiat.

A much better model for the future of mankind is to teach each others how to apply critical thinking skills, to educate them in the sciences and humanities and most importantly to teach and show them compassion and kindness. From this foundation we have a much better chance of developing a solid moral base.

Now, are some of the morals offered in the Bible worthy of consideration or adoption in our personal lives, certainly there are, but no set of morals should be "adopted" without careful consideration and reflection by the individual.

If you want a "city on a hill", then take the time to educate our children and spend time with them as parents and do not indoctrinate them in mythologies at the expense of the sciences. People such as Ken Ham and his Noah's Ark in Kentucky for example, should be absolutely ashamed at the disservice they are doing our children and future generations.

Education, critical thinking, kindness and compassion should be the building blocks of any modern society, no gods or angels required.

February 10, 2014 at 9:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nice post, kkem.

February 10, 2014 at 9:47 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Excellent post, kkemerait.

The children of Chattanooga will not be grateful when they grow up and learn they've been fed ancient folklore as if were science, and myths that do not give them competency in the real world.

February 10, 2014 at 10:40 a.m.
conservative said...

well kkemerait,

Why can't you just admit that you are a God hating Atheist?

You throw around the word education but of course you mean indoctrination in God hating humanism.

You dare use the word morals knowing full well that you would teach anti God morals. What the Bible teaches as immoral behavior you would just leave that up to the individual to decide for himself. Our society is full of such believers and many are in jail.

And of course you would teach Evilution where there is no God. Evilution is not science it came from the mind of another Atheist.

Evilution is he the stupid belief that nothing times nothing became everything!

Maybe between the two of us we can flush out some more Atheists.

February 10, 2014 at 1:28 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mr. Nave, while you obviously take pride in the fact that Chattanooga has drawn national attention for being so "Bible minded," I and many others like me find it a source of embarrassment and shame. If Chattanooga does indeed become a "city on a hill" it won't be because of you bassackward fundamentalists and your churches on every other block but in spite of you. The only hills you whackos can take credit for are dung hills, based on the constant piling on and piling up of the crap from your stale and rotting dogmatic beliefs.

February 10, 2014 at 1:44 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

And speaking of self-righteous whackos who pile on the crap...enter the con-man. You speaking in tongues, connie? Nothing but gibberish seems to be coming out.

February 10, 2014 at 2 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Dear conservative,

No need to "flush out" any atheists, I freely admit I am an atheist, however I chose to use the word humanitarian, not as an obfuscation, but rather because being an "atheist" does not imply any specific type of morality, while humanitarian does.

I have to chuckle a bit when you refer to evolution as "evilution". Darwin, believing, at least at the beginning of his journey on the Beagle as he did, not only in God, but also in the moral authority of the bible as well as being a fan of William Paley's natural theology. He was also a proponent of intelligent design and thought it absurd to believe that a person could not be both a theist and accept evolution at the same time.

Whether a person who is incarcerated claims to be a Christian, an atheist a Muslim or a Jew is irrelevant. Clearly there are some from each group in prison and any attempt to turn that into an argument against their individual beliefs is clearly no more than an ad hominem attack...I'm sure you would probably agree.

Evolution, is clearly science whether you want to agree with the conclusions it draws or not. The belief that "nothing times nothing becomes everything" has nothing whatsoever to do with evolution. Evolution attempts to explain, once life had already become established, how the various forms of plants and animals came about. A very simple version of this is that there are a variety of natural factors that can have an affect on the frequency of genes in a population. The primary factors are genetic drift, gene flow, mutations and natural selection.

Keep in mind also that evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution, defined as "Heritable changes in the frequency of alleles in the gene pool population over time" is as established as fact as much as the fact that the earth revolves around our sun. Now, in terms of the theory of evolution, this is where it attempts to explain the mechanisms by which those heritable traits are preserved or eliminated from a population and includes the concept of common ancestry as well. Interestingly, even though Darwin had no idea about genetics or DNA, that entire field has done nothing but buttress his ideas on common descent. We can see the commonality both genetically via DNA and morphologically.

Lastly, to address the "nothing from nothing" argument. It seems that you are trying to refer either to cosmology or possibly to a long since falsified idea of "spontaneous generation", I'm not certain which you mean, maybe you can clarify that point for me. By the way "spontaneous generation" is not the same thing as abiogenesis, which is also a fairly common mistake.

Best regards

February 10, 2014 at 2:07 p.m.
conservative said...

sorry I don't read tomes.

February 10, 2014 at 2:10 p.m.
kkemerait said...

461 words...hardly a tome..Paul's letter to Philemon is 430 words. Just for comparison I re-read my article (slowly) and out loud...it took 2 minutes, 6 seconds. I will see if I can find you some information on evolution in Gospel tract form.

February 10, 2014 at 3:28 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Don't waste your time, kkem, Connie only reads his version of the bible. He doesn't even read posts that show up here-he just bashes them on principle. He doesn't know any science.

February 10, 2014 at 6:16 p.m.
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