published Friday, January 10th, 2014

War on Poverty

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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prairie_dog said...

The war on poverty cannot be won. It's like trying to beat the Viet Cong, or Al Qaeda, or any other resistance group. There are too many who fight every viable way to get them up and out of it.

January 10, 2014 at 12:38 a.m.
Maximus said...

Another disgrace by Bennett denigrating the iconic Iwo Jima Memorial in a divisive political cartoon. Bennett is a mean, hateful, divider that should be tarred, feathered and run out of Chattanooga on a rail by both Democrats and Republicans for this outrage. Folks this one calls for a protest on the grounds of the TFP building and a boycott of the newspaper by all advertisers.

Will all military veterans please start calling the TFP now with one simple request.......Fire Clay Bennett now!

January 10, 2014 at 12:42 a.m.
Maximus said...

Battle of Iwo Jima, Feb. 19 thru March 26, 1945. This five week battle comprised some of the fiercest and bloodiest fighting of the War in the Pacific of WWII. Iwo Jima was the only battle by the U.S. Marine Corps in which the overall American casualties (killed and wounded) exceeded those of the Japanese. 6,821 Americans killed, 19,217 wounded, one escort carrier sunk in this eventual U.S. victory over 22,060 soldiers from the Empire of Japan. The battle was immortalized by Joe Rosenthals photograph of the raising of the U.S. flag on top of the 166 m (545ft.) Mount Suribachi by five U.S. Marines and one Navy battlefield Hospital Corpsman.

January 10, 2014 at 1 a.m.
Maximus said...

The phone number for your "Fire Clay Bennett Now" call is the Chatt Times Free Press at 423-756-6900. Call now and call a LOT! Thank you and may God bless those that died for our country and our freedom at Iwo Jima.

For those that want to cancel your advertising at the paper call your TFP representative, the advertising department or the main number at 423-756-6900. Thank you!

January 10, 2014 at 1:09 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Again: 50 years and $20.7 trillion later, and the poverty rate is still the same.

The libs always fail to note that poverty is not a permanent class of people!! If it's 15% of the population, it's not the exact same people comprising that 15%. It's an ebb and flow of different people moving in and out of poverty at different times and for different reasons.

It's just another attempt by democrats to create another "class" of victims for them to champion. But they fail to realize that it's not a class at all, but instead, a situation. The actual people listed in poverty are mostly just "travelling through" the situation of poverty. Some are rising out of it, and some are entering it, either by their own actions, or not of their own actions.

The democrats are chasing rainbows with this "war on poverty".

January 10, 2014 at 2:11 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

This latest product from bennet seems to trivialize the gallant effort of the Sailors and Marines on that island. Would bennet assume the names of the three flag raisers to be those of Franklin Sousley, Harlon Block and Michael Strank?

January 10, 2014 at 3:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

The war on poverty success is tracking hand in hand with the war on drugs. The lack of success of the war on poverty can be traced to the highest export item which has been jobs which results in this news item....

China's annual trade in goods topped $4 trillion for the first time last year, surpassing the U.S. as the world's largest trader. China's trade surplus for the full year, 2013, was $260 billion, widening 12.8 percent from 2012.

Do you really want to help with the war on poverty? Buy only made in U.S.A. which is getting more difficult to find, including many food products. This would be much more effective than taking from a few and spreading among many.

January 10, 2014 at 4:16 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Toes as usual you are manufacturing "facts," but at least you have revealed your hypocrisy. Please spare us your handwringing on patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel. Who is it that posts insulting images of our elected national leader, and as collateral damage, his wife as his avatar?? Hardly less denigrating that the alleged act of Bennett, and the mark of a hypocrite. As I said, the bit dog barks the loudest.

January 10, 2014 at 7:26 a.m.
dude_abides said...

1(800)MAX-WIMP To report a$$holes that try to be taken seriously every once in a while.

You gonna occupy the TFP parking lot, maximess? lmao Take hot cocoa and mittens, you warrior, you.

Hey, I called the number you posted... It was a voice mail box for CommunityOrganizers"R"Us.

January 10, 2014 at 7:28 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Bennett = One trick Toonist

January 10, 2014 at 7:51 a.m.

Another stupid cartoon. LBJ's war on poverty has turned out to be more of a disaster than his escalating of the Vietnam War to prove that he's macho. Figures he would use the memorial in this way. Democrats have been awarded by the media the title of the party of compassion, but it's only a facade. Creating more opportunities, and making sure people can keep the rewards of their hard work is the key. Democrats have a plantation mentality, and are in it for control and power. The current GOP is not far behind because they seem to be Democrat Party wannabe's.

January 10, 2014 at 7:57 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

arf, arf

January 10, 2014 at 8:13 a.m.
librul said...

Thanks, Clay - great imagery. While the "war on poverty" was cut short after only a few years by that devil Ronald Reagan - you know, the great actor who fired blanks in bad westerns and starred with a chimpanzee in the "B" classic Bedtime for Bonzo - yeah, that one. He and his capitalist cohorts and neoliberal cranks fomented more poverty than would ever have existed with his "trickle-down" BS.

The republican struggle to keep poor people poor and to wage war on economic fairness for the American worker has revealed that they are unfit even to exist as a mainstream American political party. And they can thank the cancer that is the teabagger insurgency for their destruction.

January 10, 2014 at 8:15 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

librul: You wish. Keep that underclass alive, lib. And voting.

January 10, 2014 at 8:21 a.m.
LibDem said...

As a veteran I support Mr. Bennett's freedom of expression. As to those who refer to the President of the United States of America as "Barry The Welfare Pimp", you too have freedom of expression.

January 10, 2014 at 8:42 a.m.
yddem said...

maximus, your call for Bennett to be tarred and feathered for exercising one of the freedoms Marines fought and died for proves just how clueless you are.

January 10, 2014 at 8:53 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

War On Poverty = Affordable Health Care

Both political lies to the American public to buy a vote.

SHOCKING?????

Where is W.C. Fields when you really need him? Sometimes we all need a reminder.

January 10, 2014 at 9:29 a.m.
Maximus said...

Patriotism the last refuge of a scoundrel? Ring the phones of the TFP! What's next Clay a cartoon depicting the Tomb Of The Unknown Soldier, crosses with Republican on them at Arlington Cemetary??

January 10, 2014 at 9:38 a.m.
Maximus said...

Yiddem, yes Bennett has the freedom but the cartoon is disgraceful and in very, very bad taste. He would not do a cartoon using Osama Bin Laden rotting at the bottom of the ocean. I'm sure that I am not the only one where this one struck a nerve. Let's do a cartoon trashing the Republicans, at the Vietnam Memorial, the Korean War Memorial, how about one at the Lincoln Memorial, maybe the JFK or MLK memorials?

January 10, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.
yddem said...

You outed yourself, maxi mouth, to those who understand the intent of the phrase.

January 10, 2014 at 9:50 a.m.
adolphochs said...

Painfully predictable: Democrats = Good, Republicans = Bad. It's rare to witness someone whose political outlook is so predictably binary.

January 10, 2014 at 9:51 a.m.
yddem said...

I disagree with your characterization, mm, and we are free to disagree.

January 10, 2014 at 9:55 a.m.
yddem said...

ao, I think there were repubs who helped and dems who resisted. I do not like some of the broad brush generalizations by Bennett and by those on this forum.

January 10, 2014 at 10:01 a.m.

Lib, you should be offended by those who try and suppress opinions, and try to subvert our legislative process/disrespect the people. Obama is guilty of both. Liberals are always calling for people to be silenced for voicing opposing views. As a citizen, and veteran, that should offend you. The Democrat Party is the part of silencing opposing views. Obama's bitching about a radio hosts, like Rush Limbaugh, is the perfect example. If you're confident in your vision for things, and are being honest, then there's no need to try and silence opposing views.

BO gets visibly angry or irritated when even faced with a challenging question from a reporter.

January 10, 2014 at 10:14 a.m.
Maximus said...

Yiddem the prez of the united states is just a person and no better than anyone individual American. He or she is not a king that is why we left And kicked Jolly Old England's ars. Basically using the Iwo Jima memorial for political gain is revolting. If you have never visited the memorial you really don't get it.

January 10, 2014 at 10:21 a.m.
LibDem said...

"...you should be offended by those who try and suppress opinions...". Exactly!

January 10, 2014 at 10:22 a.m.
Maximus said...

Obama is a welfare pimp not because he is black but because he is a redistribution socialist that uses entitlements, class warfare, alarmist tactics and victimization of special interest groups to wield power and get elected.

January 10, 2014 at 10:32 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

IQM, being patriotic doesn't entail bowing to a half-assed "leader" who seems hell-bent on lying about EVERYTHING to further an agenda that most people don't want.

"The data presented here are from the Current Population Survey (CPS), 2013 Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC), the source of official poverty estimates. The CPS ASEC is a sample survey of approximately 100,000 household nationwide. These data reflect conditions in calendar year 2012.

In 2012, the official poverty rate was 15.0 percent. There were 46.5 million people in poverty. For the second consecutive year, neither the official poverty rate nor the number of people in poverty at the national level were statistically different from the previous year’s estimates. The 2012 poverty rate was 2.5 percentage points higher than in 2007, the year before the most recent recession. In 2012, the poverty rate for people living in the West was statistically lower than the 2011 estimate. For most groups, the number of people in poverty did not show a statistically significant change. However, between 2011 and 2012, the number of people in poverty did increase for people aged 65 and older, people living in the South, and people living outside metropolitan statistical areas. The poverty rate in 2012 for chil­dren under age 18 was 21.8 per­cent. The poverty rate for people aged 18 to 64 was 13.7 percent, while the rate for people aged 65 and older was 9.1 percent. None of these poverty rates were statistically different from their 2011 estimates."

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/

Show us your facts IQM.

January 10, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
yddem said...

mini mouth, how you got on a pedestal ranting about the president and using the Memorial for political gain is beyond me. I can say beyond doubt that I get it more than you ever could. The true patriot doesn't wrap himself in the flag, he celebrates expressions of views which he doesn't agree with and which sometimes cut deep, which using the Memorial does not even come close to doing. Your visitation of the Memorial provided you with no insight whatsoever.

January 10, 2014 at 10:40 a.m.
jesse said...

Max,after some of the garbage you have posted on here you gitting in an outrage over this cartoon is B/S! IN SPADES!!!

January 10, 2014 at 10:42 a.m.
yddem said...

It's false outrage, jesse. [credit to Samuel Johnson]

January 10, 2014 at 10:50 a.m.
alprova said...

After all that the man has posted in this forum, it sure is funny to witness what it takes to get Maxi's boxers in a bunch.

By all means, everyone who believes that this is a line that should not have been crossed, be sure to go protest alongside Maxi.

I'm sure all three of you will make quite an impression.

January 10, 2014 at 10:58 a.m.
jesse said...

That's what i said "Bull Shat"!!

About the only thing Max hasn't claimed yet is that he was a U.S.Navy seal and did 3 tours in Nam!!Just ain't got around to it yet i guess!!

January 10, 2014 at 10:58 a.m.

That's right lib...say what you want. who's going to stop you. Democrats are the only ones who openly try and suppress opinions

January 10, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.

there are, what, 90 million working age people not in the labor force right now that could be?

i guess we shouldn't bring that up to our dear leader, it might disrupt his golf game.

January 10, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.

What you liberals are trying to do is equate having an opposing view with silencing someone. it won't work. what you liberals have tried to establish is that criticism of our dear leader is not wanted and sign of disrespect. Funny how that works, given that the previous president had people openly calling for him to be assassinated. Idiots.

January 10, 2014 at 11:23 a.m.
yddem said...

fister said "What you liberals are trying to do is equate having an opposing view with silencing someone." Not hardly. Mini mouth wants Bennett tarred and feathered. In contrast, no opposing view said mm should be silenced or harmed, only shown to be what he is and is not.

January 10, 2014 at 11:43 a.m.
Maximus said...

People are calling the TFP. Keep it up.:)

January 10, 2014 at 11:46 a.m.
yddem said...

What time does your protest start, mini mouth? The TFP will cover it, and you should be featured as organizer and leader, so we will be able to compare a photo of you with your description of yourself.

January 10, 2014 at 11:55 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

yddem: Save your fingers. No one is going to read all your multiple links. You sure you're not related to Alpo? Friendly advice from the middle.

January 10, 2014 at 11:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The State Department for the first time blames specific groups and militants for the Sept. 11, 2012, Benghazi attack, designating them as terrorists, further undermining initial claims the attack was spontaneous. But what about that utube thang? Huh?

January 10, 2014 at 12:06 p.m.
yddem said...

Middleclassyness, pt? Then please don't relate me to your buddy al!

January 10, 2014 at 12:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

yd. got it.

It’s good to know that President Obama’s most loyal followers – the so-called mainstream media – have their priorities straight. As reported by the (conservative) Media Research Center: “In less than 24 hours, the big three networks have devoted 17 times more coverage to a traffic scandal involving Chris Christie than they’ve allowed in the last six months to Barack Obama’s Internal Revenue Service controversy.

January 10, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

PT where have you been? The NY Times just published an intensive analysis of the whole complicated affair with direct quotes from involved parties. Primarily it was a spontaneous event incited primarily by the knucklehead in CA that published the film trashing Islam. Issa et al are blowing smoke.

January 10, 2014 at 12:14 p.m.
yddem said...

pt, I read the story at mrc.org. Why did they begin their time-line with July 1? The IRS scandal broke in May. It seems disingenuous to compare coverage that began the day of an announcement with coverage 2 months after an announcement. Why did this conservative group not state the amount of time the big 3 gave to the story when it broke? Could it be that they gave comparable coverage? My recollection is that it was all over the networks and was the topic not only of evening news shows but morning shows and Sunday talk shows.

January 10, 2014 at 12:29 p.m.
Plato said...

I'm a moderate Democrat but I have never believed in the concept of a government "war on poverty" through social programs. The only way to alleviate poverty in the long term, is through economic expansion of the private sector. Government programs are necessary to provide a safety net for those that fall into hard times but these are primarily temporary solutions in nature.

January 10, 2014 at 1 p.m.
caddy said...

Liberals used to tout freedom of everything. Now they are just socialist BITCHES and Stupid Sheep.

January 10, 2014 at 1:06 p.m.
Maximus said...

Plato is right, the best war on poverty is a job and the Democrats led by Barry the Welfare Pimp have driven the private sector particularly small business into the ground.

On another note, Mr. Bennett's retraction to his insensitive Iwo Jima fiasco should be a depiction of a mushroom cloud over Japan with the caption...."God bless America and many thanks to all WWII veterans both living and departed."

January 10, 2014 at 1:33 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hey IQM, are the census bureau facts getting in your way? Lets read some facts from your "sources" that claim mine to be false.

Sounds as if when you don't like the results of something, you arbitrarily claim them to be wrong.

prediction: You come back and tell us how the census bureau is a right-wing group bent on false information.

January 10, 2014 at 2:34 p.m.
caddy said...

Thank you Plato...

January 10, 2014 at 2:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQM said "PT where have you been? The NY Times just published an intensive analysis of the whole complicated affair with direct quotes from involved parties. Primarily it was a spontaneous event incited primarily by the knucklehead in CA that published the film trashing Islam. Issa et al are blowing smoke.PT where have you been? The NY Times just published an intensive analysis of the whole complicated affair with direct quotes from involved parties. Primarily it was a spontaneous event incited primarily by the knucklehead in CA that published the film trashing Islam. Issa et al are blowing smoke." IQ, I've not known you to be so dense before. Surely you were ^^^ just kidding, no?

January 10, 2014 at 4:11 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Plato is right. But economic expansion to curtail poverty just doesn't make the Left feeeeeel good about themselves.

January 10, 2014 at 4:21 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

PT, Oh, I forgot, it isn't on Fox therefore it must be left-wing propaganda.

January 10, 2014 at 4:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Toonboy’s offering is just yet another in a long line of Fleabagger symbolism however it is missing the pennant that says “WE CARE”. Fleabaggers grade themselves on their intent and not on results.

Fifty years ago LBJ needed some symbolism to separate his new administration from the recent Kennedy assassination and stamp it with his very own “I CARE” moment. He had decided to launch a massive governmental welfare programs that was discreetly named “The Great Society’ and specifically “The War on Poverty”.

He traveled to Eastern Kentucky which was designated ground zero for poverty. He took an army of reporters and photographers to record the needed symbolism. He found his target, in Inez, Ky., a poor unemployed man and wife with eight kids living in their crudely built cabin on a muddy hillside.

LBJ climbed up on the porch and instead of standing, sitting in a chair or the edge of the porch to converse with the man and his gathered brood he squatted. The President of the U.S.A. being one with the poor common people and there he had his symbolic photo op that would define his “I CARE” administration.

However here are a few photo links that say quite a bit about the “results”.

The original Photo:

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/card_wide/nprshared/201401/260568626.jpg

A medium distance shot

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/poverty.jpg

A long distance shot:

http://www.dailyyonder.com/files/u2/colorfrontporch300.jpg

A current photo:

It seems to ironically capture very clearly in a symbolic sort of way the “success” of the whole endeavor.... don’t you think so as well?

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/01/07/img_2651-ef3bf7834a4461ff7c7f087d4339e80255f136f4.jpg

January 10, 2014 at 4:51 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"What time does your protest start, mini mouth? The TFP will cover it, and you should be featured as organizer and leader, so we will be able to compare a photo of you with your description of yourself."

I can describe Maxipad perfectly to you. He's about 5'2", 215 lbs, a two inch peter, and he has this giant head. His nose is as long as Pinocchio's. And he is always wearing these rubber boots. He doesn't want to step in all of the B.S. he spews with his good shoes.

I'm a veteran and I'n not offended.

January 10, 2014 at 4:59 p.m.
jesse said...

Gassious i was nec 8404! What did you do in the navy!!( 63-66)

January 10, 2014 at 5:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

As I said, the bit dog barks the loudest.

inquiringmind said...

arf, arf

Really!

January 10, 2014 at 5:21 p.m.
yddem said...

It's an interesting point iqm raises, pt. You questioned the NYT story [without having read it? - neither have I], but you cited what you referred to as an "intensive analysis" [you concluded that how?] by someone at mrc.org as authoritative just because the story was by a conservative group?

You did not reply to my previous post. I will paste it here for ease of reference:

"pt, I read the story at mrc.org. Why did they begin their time-line with July 1? The IRS scandal broke in May. It seems disingenuous to compare coverage that began the day of an announcement with coverage 2 months after an announcement. Why did this conservative group not state the amount of time the big 3 gave to the story when it broke? Could it be that they gave comparable coverage? My recollection is that it was all over the networks and was the topic not only of evening news shows but morning shows and Sunday talk shows."

I understated what mrc did when I said "it seems disingenuous." It was at best disingenuous of them. If I were to guess, they did a study of the coverage immediately after the IRS story broke, did not like what they found and did another study they could use to criticize the big 3. No kidding, pt.

January 10, 2014 at 5:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So IQM, you think the attack was a result of the youtube video?

January 10, 2014 at 5:35 p.m.
yddem said...

Going out, pt, look forward to reading your explanation tomorrow.

January 10, 2014 at 5:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey yd, I don't write 'em, just post 'em.

January 10, 2014 at 5:49 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

Thanks, Clay - great imagery. While the "war on poverty" was cut short after only a few years by that devil Ronald Reagan - you know, the great actor who fired blanks in bad westerns and starred with a chimpanzee in the "B" classic Bedtime for Bonzo - yeah, that one. He and his capitalist cohorts and neoliberal cranks fomented more poverty than would ever have existed with his "trickle-down" BS.

Let’s see .... Rates started to peak at the end of Carter’s term and then steadily declined during the Reagan/ Bush terms. It then peaked early in the Clinton years until after the ‘94 mid-terms and declined until Obama has driven it to heights unseen since the early ‘60’s.

The republican struggle to keep poor people poor and to wage war on economic fairness for the American worker has revealed that they are unfit even to exist as a mainstream American political party. And they can thank the cancer that is the teabagger insurgency for their destruction.

Fleabaggers must really love poor people as they work late every day to create more and more of them.

January 10, 2014 at 6:13 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Jesse, I was an Operations Specialist (probably called a Radarman back in your day). CVN-71.

January 10, 2014 at 6:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

pt, I read the story at mrc.org. Why did they begin their time-line with July 1? The IRS scandal broke in May. It seems disingenuous to compare coverage that began the day of an announcement with coverage 2 months after an announcement. Why did this conservative group not state the amount of time the big 3 gave to the story when it broke? Could it be that they gave comparable coverage? My recollection is that it was all over the networks and was the topic not only of evening news shows but morning shows and Sunday talk shows.

If what you say is true, that the IRS story was “all over the networks” immediately after the story broke then that would seem to make the coverage the last 6 months even more damaging. The IRS story was about a presidential administration illegally using the vast powers of the IRS to target their political opponents to win a presidential election.

The fact that it got all of 2 minutes and 8 seconds of follow up coverage in a six month period for such an important scandal clearly shows the MSM at the suggestion of the administration wanted the story to be buried after the obligatory initial coverage.

January 10, 2014 at 6:39 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The War on Poverty has not been an abject failure, as all the RWNJs like to claim that it has. A decade after it began, the numbers of those living in poverty were lower than at any time in our nation’s history, only 10-11% of the population.

It’s no mere coincidence that poverty began escalating when our government started its long slippery slide into conservatism that started with Reagan and his massive deregulation, tax cuts on the rich, his overall philosophy of supply-side (trickle-down) economics, and instilling in the population the notion that government should not only be distrusted but feared and hated. Since Reagan came on the scene our country and government have been on a relentless downward spiral into conservatism, the only exception being Clinton’s tax hikes that helped to create a surplus. And today, even with a Democrat at the helm, this conservatism has reached a degree of right-wing extremism more severe than at any time in the past 50 years. Our banks have been deregulated and Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to keep any meaningful regulation from being put back in place, many of our labor laws go unenforced, taxes on the rich are practically the lowest they have ever been, public investments are at an all-time low, the minimum wage has stagnated and is presently so low that a 40-hr. work week can still leave someone in poverty, public education has been drastically defunded, and Republicans vilify Obama for not creating more jobs but they would vote in lockstep against him if he so much as tried to put a govt.-sponsored jobs program together. Yet even with all that, conservatives are calling for even more extreme measures of austerity and conservatism in general!

No, it’s not that the War on Poverty has failed. It’s just that the GOP and conservatives have been waging their own fierce war against it, and succeeding, for the past 3 decades. It’s time to tell them and the corporate fat cats whose boots they lick to go to hell and we who believe in a government OF, BY, and FOR the PEOPLE fight to take this country back, while there is still a shred of something to take back.

January 10, 2014 at 6:55 p.m.
rick1 said...

State Department finally confirms terror groups behind Benghazi attack.

I’m confused,I thought the New York Times said otherwise.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/01/10/state-department-finally-confirms-terror-groups-behind-benghazi-attack-n1777042

January 10, 2014 at 7:34 p.m.
rick1 said...

Roo, your comment about Clinton's tax hikes helped create a surplus is not true. In fact the Clinton taxes increase added very little to the treasury receipts, Reports from the Congressional Budget Office, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Internal Revenue Service all agree.

In fact, the balanced budgets of the Clinton years didn't occur until after a Republican Congress passed and the president reluctantly signed a 1997 tax bill that lowered the capital gains rate from 28% to 20%, added a child tax credit, and established higher limits on tax exclusion for IRAs and estates.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/the_successful_clinton_economy.html

In regards to regulations being taken away from the banks you may want to read the Dodd Frank Bill, which is strangling community banks with regulations and bigger banks are moving in to buy them. Dodd Frank did nothing to address the issues Fannie or Freddie either.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/032113-648962-fdic-says-dodd-frank-hurting-small-banks.htm

Your comment of "taxes on the rich are practically the lowest they have ever been," is not true either.

With Washington gridlocked again over whether to raise their taxes, it turns out wealthy families already are paying some of their biggest federal tax bills in decades even as the rest of the population continues to pay at historically low rates.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100518058

How Obama's economic policies have failed to create jobs.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/011014-686041-counting-the-ways-obama-policies-have-failed-to-create-jobs.htm

January 10, 2014 at 8 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "In fact, the balanced budgets of the Clinton years didn't occur until after a Republican Congress passed and the president reluctantly signed a 1997 tax bill that lowered the capital gains rate from 28% to 20%, added a child tax credit, and established higher limits on tax exclusion for IRAs and estates."

Rick, did you really read what you wrote?

How does lowering a tax rate on capital gains and raising the point at which tax exclusions end for IRA's and estates, which reduces tax revenue, and the offering of tax credits, which directly spends revenue from Government coffers, balance a budget?

You offer this as if it was some magical panacea that the Republicans passed, and that the budget was balanced, and anyone reading the above knows that it did nothing to balance the budget.

Clearly, this was the start of many bills that reduced income taxes on the wealthiest Americans, and to get Democrats on board, the child tax credit carrot was offered.

Where's the balance? Money spent for tax credits does not balance budgets. Reduced taxes coming in does not balance budgets.

January 10, 2014 at 8:28 p.m.
rick1 said...

Alpo, Clinton Tax Cuts: In 1997 President Bill Clinton signed a tax cut bill that, among other things, created a new $500 child tax credit, raised the income limit for deductible IRAs, nearly doubled the estate tax exemption, and slashed the capital gains tax rate by a whopping 28%. The reduction in the capital gains tax was especially helpful. In 1995, just over $8 billion in venture capital was invested. By 1998, the first full year in which the lower capital gains rates were in effect, venture capital activity reached almost $28 billion, more than a three-fold increase over 1995 levels, and it doubled again in 1999. At the same time, total federal revenue rose every year after the 1997 tax cuts.

In addition, it’s worth noting that total federal revenue grew at a slightly faster rate in the three years after the 1997 tax cuts than it did in the three years before them. From 1994 to 1996, total federal revenue grew by $200 billion, from $1.26 trillion to $1.45 trillion, an increase of 16%. From 1998 to 2000, total federal revenue grew by $300 billion, from $1.72 trillion to $2.02 trillion, an increase of 17%.

Moreover, although the economy was doing respectably well in the four years before the 1997 tax cuts, it did considerably better after the tax cuts. For example, from 1993 to 1996, the economy grew at an annual rate of 3.2%, but the annual growth rate jumped to 4.2% after the tax cuts (both rates are adjusted for inflation). In the four years before the tax cuts, the rate of real wage growth was only 0.8%, but it rose to 6.5% after the tax cuts.

See the listed link.

http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutfacts.htm

January 10, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

rick1, I could list countless links to refute the links you list and then you would just pull up other links to refute my links and we could go round and round in that way, and neither of us would be any closer to changing the other's mind. Where I see white, you see black; where I see up you see down. Conservatives and liberals today are never going to see eye to eye. I don't get on this forum to butt heads with you RWNJs, I just throw in my two cents and I leave it to you blathering teabagging fools who have nothing better to do with your time than to lock horns and go at it like angry goats. It's a complete waste of time.

As far as I'm concerned we need to split up the nation and let each ideological faction go their own way (unfortunately that is not likely, or even possible) or the revolution needs to begin. But the austere conservatism of you rabid righties is soon going to be the complete downfall of this nation, so change is most likely going to come from that rather than from an actual revolution.

January 10, 2014 at 8:55 p.m.
volsam said...

The war on poverty? 45 years and 16 trillion dollars later and zero results. Just like the war on drugs. The good ole USA hasn't won a war since world war 2 .Pathetic, appeasers all.

January 10, 2014 at 9:05 p.m.
alprova said...

We've been hearing for two decades that tax cuts spurs more revenue into the Government, yet for two decades the national debt has went straight up and continues to do so.

If cutting taxes spurred more revenue into the Government, then the GWB tax cuts would have spawned a $16 trillion balance, rather than a deficit.

The tax cuts sponsored by the Republicans have for the most part, benefitted only the upper middle class and the wealthy.

The child tax credit is one of the few tax advantages that the poor can claim, but it was not the idea of the Republicans to offer it. It was a compromise to get Democrats to vote for the tax cuts for the wealthy.

And until most or all of those tax cuts are rescinded, the debt will continue to rise. There is no other way.

Spending will also have to be reduced, but it's going to have to come from cuts to areas other than for programs that assist the elderly, the poor, the ill, or the disabled.

The current resistance by the Republicans to restore unemployment benefits is the kind of crap that is going to unseat enough Republicans this coming November, to restore the Democrats to power.

And what a great day that will be.

Republicans. They just never learn.

January 10, 2014 at 9:10 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Maxi never listened to Bob Dylan, I guess, so maybe it is too subtle for him to figure out.

PT, Toes, et al, even rational conservatives agree you can't solve the poverty problem without using government.

Rick1 in the Clinton era we had the largest peacetime expansion of the economy in the nation's history, the largest percentage of homeownership, and ran a national budgetary surplus that reduced national debt. Perhaps he couldn't keep it in his pants but he did all the right things for the economy and the country.

But let's not confuse the issue with facts.

As far as Libya is concerned, read the whole story and you'll be able to piece that "terrorist group" comment into the picture. I'm not aware that is a point of argument, the discussion is about causes.

The bottom line is the dogs are surely yapping today, and a lot of folks are gnashing their teeth in darkness besides... how do these boys say it, "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up?"

January 10, 2014 at 10:47 p.m.
yddem said...

junk trash has outdone himself with this claim in response to my post about the disingenuity of Media Research Center:

"The fact that it got all of 2 minutes and 8 seconds of follow up coverage in a six month period for such an important scandal clearly shows the MSM at the suggestion of the administration wanted the story to be buried after the obligatory initial coverage."

jt initially ignores, of course, the fact that the story he relied on was written by a group which was organized for one purpose and one purpose only:

"MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media. This makes the MRC’s work unique within the conservative movement."

There are some who, unfortunately, read and even cite a story by the group without reading it and/or questioning the claims in the story. The story was at least less than honest and probably intentionally misleading.

But jt doesn't care about honesty, so he doesn't talk about what MRC did. Instead, he says the story "clearly shows" that the big 3 did not do follow-ups because the administration suggested they not.

It is fitting, junk trash, that you made the claim, because it is junk and it is trash.

January 10, 2014 at 10:56 p.m.
yddem said...

pt said "Hey yd, I don't write 'em, just post 'em."

Do you claim them? Do you care what they say? Do you care whether what they say is accurate? Do you care that what they say may be intentionally misleading or willfully false? If not, why do you post them?

BTW, American Hustle is a damn good flick.

January 10, 2014 at 10:59 p.m.
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