published Sunday, January 19th, 2014

Happy Birthday

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Garbage cartoon. MLK would be offended by the voter fraud perpetrated by Democrats and how people are lumped into categories based on their color and ethnicity.

January 19, 2014 at 12:31 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Less than 100 cases in 10 years. Try again. We are still a long way from the 'Dream'.

January 19, 2014 at 12:37 a.m.

MLK would be thoroughly disgusted at the race industry, the obsession by race by the media and liberals, and the "knockout" a-hole generation that is the legacy of the "war on poverty". MLK would be disgusted by the entitlement attitude of many cry baby blacks, and the black on black crime. MLK would say there's a long way to go, but he would also acknowledge how far we've come as well. Nobody is stopping voters from voting Democrat, but Democrats do all they can to suppress those that will most likely vote Republican, like the military. MLK would gag listening to the modern day "civil rights leaders", like Sharpton, Jackson and Jeremiah Wright. He would also be disgusted by how a black president views the citizenry as just objects to squeeze out of, and how much is being taken from us by the federal government. It is in fact a master-slave mentality. Funny how our first black president has a master-slave mentality regarding government and the people.

January 19, 2014 at 2:09 a.m.
jjmez said...

"but he would also acknowledge how far we've com as well."

Really? And just how far is that? We've now replaced "WHITES ONLY" "No Coloreds Allowed" with stop frisk. A 16 year old Philadelphia A student, with no criminal record was recently allegedly so brutally sexually assaulted during a stop frisk encounter with Phila's finest that he had to have his penis surgically reconstructed and may never be able to father a child. Forceful removal of blacks from their traditional communities with gentrification, or quirky little sneaky terms such as "revitalization." So tell us just how far America has come. Or can it be that wordings have changed, but primary attitudes remain the same?"

January 19, 2014 at 3 a.m.
fairmon said...

The voting process is broken and neither party is addressing it. A state desiring a picture ID must be willing to do whatever is required to provide every voter one including a mobile unit that goes to the voters home to provide it.

Reverend King's dream was equal opportunity, never did he advocate welfare. He never suggested redistribution from those successful, only that all had the opportunity to be successful. He encouraged people to prepare for and utilize opportunities. He may consider the current state of affairs a nightmare. Only a bigot would not admire Dr. King's contributions to the country and to those being denied an opportunity. His dream of providing a hand up and not a hand out is not yet reality and the current government is not helping. Where have all the jobs gone?

January 19, 2014 at 3:18 a.m.
wallyworld said...

In September, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce with Senate Republicans killed the vote on Senate Bill 3816, a bill which would have ended tax breaks for companies that ship American jobs to foreign countries only to import foreign-made products back to the United States. At first, American workers prospered from higher-paying jobs. However, from 2001 to 2008, 26 percent of our nation’s technology jobs were outsourced to foreign countries. Ironically, American workers not only lost their jobs but were slapped in the face when foreign workers with H1-B visas were hired to fill some of the remaining jobs. Until Americans understand how our nation’s jobs have been hijacked to foreign countries, and Congress imposes fair trade policies which level the playing field for our nation’s workers, our jobs will not be coming home anytime soon. No matter what color you happen to be.

January 19, 2014 at 6:22 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

The real issue here is voting rights. Gerrymandering itself is a method of controlling who wins at the voting booth.

Anyone honest enough to admit it and old enough to remember knows that voter identification laws were not started because of the evidence of widespread and systematic voter fraud. They were started because primarily local democratic party organizations were very effective in getting out the vote. That vote is often part of its historic political base, African American and low income voters.

An underlying premise that has never been proved except perhaps in very narrow localized cases is that democrats couldn't win unless there is fraud.

The political party and orientation of the groups promoting severe voter registration requirements are Republican and conservative, let there be no mistake about it.

Any time the state imposes a financial requirement on the right to vote, it is discriminating against the part of the public with little financial means. Examples are poll taxes, income, property ownership requirements and state-imposed financial expenditures beyond what is necessary to actually get to the voting booth. Therefore, if a state wishes to invoke severe identification laws it has to do it in a way that is not economically discriminating.

Why would any person dedicated to the principles of a free and democratic government object to this?

Voter fraud is a serious crime and it ought to be pursued like every other crime, by the judiciary who indicts and seeks conviction for alleged perpetrators.

However, a restrictive voter registration law, besides limiting a constitutional right to vote, is also an instance of prior restraint, presuming a law will be broken in the future with absence of evidence it has been broken. Prior restraint is valid when public safety may be threatened, say with age restrictions on purchase of alcohol, but you don't arrest every 18 year old because they might buy a beer.

January 19, 2014 at 6:40 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Even a blind hog finds an ACORN every now and then. But not Bennett. Left field is barren.

January 19, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.
jjmez said...

Reverand Kind's dream was about opportunity, never did he advocate welfare.*

welfare was around long before Dr. King was even born. It was called "RELIEF." Welfare is colorblind. There are actually more whites on welfare than black. Usually it's the bigots who misquote Dr. King's intent in an attempt to use him as a cover for their bigotry.

He never suggested redistribution for those successful,

Even when it's those "successful" obtained the bulk of their welfare off the backs of those less fortunate? Are you including that redistribution like the 15 million paid out to Mittens, and other wealthy in the way of bailouts?

only that all had the opportunity to be successful

That's the problem, opportunity still remains so elusive and out of reach for far too man in this country.

January 19, 2014 at 8:21 a.m.
degage said...

I have been voting for a very long time and always had to have ID, in the north and south. I have to have a Photo Id to open an account, cash a check, see a doctor, admission to hospital and the list goes on and on. The fraud actually comes from not having a photo ID, anyone can say I am so and so and vote even if that person is dead. I am aware you liberals have all your talking points to refute that but they just don't make sense.

January 19, 2014 at 8:30 a.m.
jjmez said...

Inquirinmind's said it better! And upon closer watch it's been the Republicans and their comapaign tactis who've been caught up most in voter fraud and actual voter intimidation

January 19, 2014 at 8:31 a.m.
jjmez said...

Actually, degage....a voter must still present their voter registration card and they could not have obtained that without some type of valid proof in the first place. Republicans wanted to make it so only certain types of I.D. would be acceptable. Such as huntin license etc. along with driver's license already acceptable. What about people who don't drive? Who've had their driver's license suspended? Who or what race of people do you think does the most hunting in this country?

January 19, 2014 at 8:43 a.m.
degage said...

jj, So what you are saying, they have to show a photo ID to get a voter registration card. Even with that card a person can vote with another persons card cause their is no way to know if that is the person, no photo on them. Same goes for hunting and fishing license. The talking points I mentioned is what you came up with.

If they have had their license suspended or don't drive they can get a photo ID from the DMV unless they are to lazy or to drunk.

January 19, 2014 at 9:06 a.m.
jjmez said...

dgge, picture I.D. is no guarantee someone else won't or can't use another person's identity to vote, cash a check or even draw money out of another person's bank account. The average person who checks I.D. can't always determine and doesn't even pay attention to the person in the I.D. photo and the person standing before them using it. The intent was to intimidate and scare citizens away from the voting polls. It's an updated version of a very old pre-voting rights act tactic. You'd have to know history or lived in the period where these type tactics took place.

January 19, 2014 at 9:18 a.m.
limric said...

I’ve asked it before and I’ll ask it again.

If Republican/Conservative ideology is unquestionably superior, the GOP would be doing everything in their power to increase voter participation.

Ample evidence shows the opposite to be true. Instead they’ve resorted to: ‘Since we can’t beat them at the game, we’ll keep them from the game.’

Why?

Does such conduct lead credibility to question whether they have the courage to follow their convictions?

I’d say it does.

January 19, 2014 at 9:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Will always be a racial divide until Libby's get over their white guilt.

January 19, 2014 at 9:42 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Political parties just can't handle defeat well (a la Alabama fans) because of all of the money that is invested in elections, particularly presidential. The GOP tells party members that Obama won because of voter fraud. Hook, line, and sinker.

January 19, 2014 at 9:48 a.m.
rick1 said...

Liberal Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, voted in favor of voter id laws and said "there is no Constitutional flaw in photo ID voter laws."

There are some who continue to use the liberal talking points saying voter id laws are a tool of voter suppression and away of disenfranchising the poor and reducing turnout on Election Day.

The facts have proven those liberal talking points wrong and studies have proven voter id laws have little to no effect on voter turn out.

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_50900.pdf

http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2008/0102-voter-id.php

http://www.american.edu/spa/cdem/upload/VoterIDFinalReport1-9-08.pdf

January 19, 2014 at 9:53 a.m.
degage said...

jjmez, that's BS and you know it. maybe you wouldn't check the picture but that would only mean you aren't doing your job. The intent is to prove the person is who they say they are. As I said before liberal talking points. Yes I'm sure you are saying the same about me, the difference is, I'M RIGHT!

January 19, 2014 at 10:04 a.m.
jjmez said...

Naw, degage. Very few very few can compare a photo I.D. to the person standing before them. Habitually, they're looking at the address and comparing the address to the address in the book before them. The average person is unable to identify physical characteristics, outside of race, when looking at a photo I.D. It's already been tested. Trust me. ;)

January 19, 2014 at 10:24 a.m.
degage said...

jjmez, trust you? Never.

January 19, 2014 at 10:27 a.m.
rick1 said...

zableedofisterix, I agree with what you posted earlier about the Reverends Jackson, Sharpton and Wright. I would like to add these three clowns are frauds, as real reverends would not spread racism and hate or fan the flames of racial tension for profit and self promotion.

January 19, 2014 at 10:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The fear of racism is politically driven. By the Left.

January 19, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
jjmez said...

degage, LOL! Yes you do. You're just shy. LOL

January 19, 2014 at 10:47 a.m.
jjmez said...

rick1, you left out Haggee, Robertson and a few others. ;)

January 19, 2014 at 10:48 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Overt racism is itself a matter of course; for the right.

January 19, 2014 at 10:49 a.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "Will always be a racial divide until Libby's get over their white guilt."

How far back in history should we look, PT, to find the point at which there was no racial divide and no "white guilt?" Are you saying there was white guilt in the 20's? Before the Civil War? Where's that sweet spot, when no whites were bothered by the treatment of African Americans and the blacks were just happy equals?

January 19, 2014 at 10:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm saying, dude_ that healing will not be complete until you leftist hypocrites get off the white guilt bandwagon. You guys just stir the pot in order to maintain the voting underclass. Some bigotry will always be around. Much like your bigotry against opposing views. Wise-up pal. We all stipulate you're a bright AA degreed English major. Whoopdefrikkendo. With all respect, Comrade.

January 19, 2014 at 11:02 a.m.
dude_abides said...

PlainTruth said... "I'm saying... leftist hypocrites... your bigotry... Comrade."

Boy, you're an angry man, aren't you?

January 19, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Naw, dude_. Those are flowery descriptions. Wear them with pride.

January 19, 2014 at 11:21 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Oh – It’s the left that is stirring the pot, eh PlainTruth? So, right wing racism is over is it – a thing of the past is it?

Well then:

• If racism has “ended,” then it’s fine that the GOP’s Growth and Opportunity Project report doesn’t even mention racism, despite its mission to help the party “connect better with minority communities. And there’s nothing wrong with a lily-white a “Pledge to America.”

• If racism is “history,” then it’s perfectly fine if some Republicans are connected to organizations like the Council of Conservative Citizens, which says on its website that it opposes “all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people.” The same goes for GOP connections to the League of the South, whose founding members say things like, “Somebody needs to say a good word for slavery. Where in the world are the Negroes better off today than in America?”, and which claims on its website that the term racism “has its origins in Communism and that movement’s sordid attempt to undermine Western Christendom,” and adds, “If you call us ‘racists,’ our response will be ‘so what?’”

• If racism is “over,” then it’s not racist to complain about “minorities running roughshod” over “real” Americans.

• If racism is “over,” then there’s nothing racist about a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask getting trampled as the crowd cheers … for the bull. The same goes for hanging the president in effigy.

• If racism has “ended,” then it’s no longer racist to declare that American needs a “white Republican president” again. (If only because critics of the president can’t be called racists if the president is white — like you.)

• If racism is “in the past,” then there’s nothing to worry about if a senator has a “neo-Confederate” on his staff.

• If racism is “over,” then there’s nothing wrong with passing a voting law that “hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything.”

• If racism had “ended” then there’s nothing racist about throwing peanuts at a black camerawoman and saying “This is how we feed animals.” Likewise, there’s nothing racist about saying that “racial groups like African-Americans and Hispanics are predisposed to crime” and “prone to commit acts of violence,” or claiming that blacks and Latinos have lower IQs than whites.

• If racism has ended, then white folks can use the “n-word”, and other racial slurs, to their heart’s content, without being called racist.

• If racism is “over,” then there’s nothing racist about waving a confederate battle flag in front of the White House. RWNJ’s such as yourself try to convince themselves that the above (and many others) are isolated incidents, that do not reflect on the Republican party itself. But they occur in a context that goes at least as far back as the Dixiecrats, and continues through the ‘Southern Strategy’ and Willie Horton; right up to your favorite group - ‘The Tea Party’.

January 19, 2014 at 11:21 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Please don't get "flowery" with me, JT. You might trigger my heterosexual guilt. lmao

January 19, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.
yddem said...

mickey, I don't recall pt saying racism is a thing of the past, or that he wants it to be, for that matter.

January 19, 2014 at 11:46 a.m.
yddem said...

mickeyrat said "• If racism has ended, then white folks can use the “n-word”, and other racial slurs, to their heart’s content, without being called racist."

Madonna "affectionately" referred to her [white] son as a ni__a and was called out for it.

January 19, 2014 at 11:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

yddem: first part correct. second part a cheap shot. but typical of the left's talking points. Mickey Rat makes my point. Y'all love to talk race. If racism ended tomorrow, you libby's would be bereft of anything to say.

January 19, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.
yddem said...

You were talking race at length before my post, pt. Not cheap; and true. No reason to take a cheap shot at you, pt, as legitimate shots at you are so easy. And it is your middleclassless jabber that is typical.

January 19, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

If you can find a racist statement by me, I'll give you a year's supply of Kool-Aid, YD.

January 19, 2014 at 12:08 p.m.
yddem said...

Point out to me where I said you made one, pt, and I will supply you with sweet tea

January 19, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960′s, Report Shows

"In 1950, 17 percent of African-American children lived in a home with their mother but not their father. By 2010 that had increased to 50 percent. In 1965, only eight percent of childbirths in the Black community occurred out-of-wedlock. In 2010 that figure was 41 percent; and today, the out-of-wedlock childbirth in the Black community sits at an astonishing 72 percent. The number of African-American women married and living with their spouse was recorded as 53 percent in 1950. By 2010, it had dropped to 25 percent."

Once again the democrats took a problem, and made it worse.

http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/03/black-news/the-black-family-is-worse-off-today-than-in-the-1960s-report-shows/

January 19, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Either yd or dude_. Probably a young yd, as dude would have more tats. https://twitter.com/Kerryepp/status/421050621165576192/photo/1

January 19, 2014 at 12:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Victims of the Left: Black Americans

"This essay examines specifically how the left, in its self-identified quest to elevate African Americans by means of myriad social justice campaigns, has in fact done incalculable harm to the black community in the United States."

"Today affirmative action (which began as a liberal ideal for equal opportunity) is synonymous with the leftist ideal of achieving equal outcomes by any means necessary, including group preferences and double standards."

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1258#Expectations

January 19, 2014 at 12:20 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Looks like a pajama boy/bieber wanna-be lookalike to me PT.

January 19, 2014 at 12:23 p.m.
yddem said...
January 19, 2014 at 12:24 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

far out.

January 19, 2014 at 12:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

One of the sad signs of our times is that we have diminished those who produce, subsidized those who refuse to produce, and canonized those who complain. - Thomas Sowell

January 19, 2014 at 12:46 p.m.
yddem said...

toes said "One of the sad signs of our times is that we have

diminished those who produce" - the American worker

"subsidized those who refuse to produce" - landowners who don't grow food crops

"and canonized those who complain" - Sarah Palin

[I almost forgot to thank you for misquoting T.S.]

January 19, 2014 at 12:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"American worker" to you = unions (which are a minority of the workforce).

"landowners who don't grow food crops" = subsidized for price control + liberal policies forcing corn to be set aside for ethanol production.

"Sarah Palin" = canonized? really? She's the most villainized republican woman of them all.

You excel in the art of liberal distortionism.

January 19, 2014 at 1:04 p.m.
jjmez said...

TOES02800 said: The black family is worse off today than in the 1960s

How can that be? Blacks pretty much remained unaccounted for in the 1960s and prior. They were basically invisible. As in didn't even exist; didn't even matter. So how can something be counted that's not even Accounted for?

In 1950, 17 percent of African-American children lived at home with their mother but not their fater"

Again, how can there be a percentage counting for something that doesn't exist? Remember, during World WarII the military was shocked and amazed by so man southern blacks rushing up to join. They didn't realize there were so many were blacks were still alive in the south. In essence, you can only use those 17% as a basis for the ones who were counted. Example would be if only 100 people are polled then 17% of that would roughly be about 17 people out of a 100.Taking that into consieration how many were never counted? There's never been an accurate counting of blacks in America. For their sake, that's good thing.

Now See: "How Federal Judges Are Twisting Dr. King's Words To Justify Discrimination Against AAs and other minorities"

January 19, 2014 at 1:07 p.m.
yddem said...

Ah yes, one of RW's favorite claims, "distortion" when anyone with an opposing view states a fact.

And no, toes, not unions, American workers have been DIMINISHED by American industry.

Republicans are paid not to grow food crops.

And you and others of your persuasion have sanctified Palin, who contributes nothing.

January 19, 2014 at 1:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

In response to the statement Reverend King's dream was about opportunity, never did he advocate welfare.*

jjmez said...welfare was around long before Dr. King was even born. It was called "RELIEF." Welfare is colorblind. There are actually more whites on welfare than black.

That is true and welfare has been around throughout history but normally not numerous government programs.

jjmez said...Usually it's the bigots who misquote Dr. King's intent in an attempt to use him as a cover for their bigotry.

Who is truly qualified to know what another person's intent is? It is not possible for those not there to truly know the intent but it is evident the country is far from his description of an equal opportunity. Education opportunities in K1-12 is still a significant problem.

January 19, 2014 at 1:28 p.m.
jjmez said...

fairmon, you give yourself away. Your intent is clear. Otherwise, why place Dr. King in the same context with welfare? It's obvious your intent was based on your attempts to slyly drive home a point about using Dr. King and his words as backup.

Also, what does those numerous progams have to do with Dr. King? Those programs are not race based, but are NEEDS based. Plus, the wealthy and super rich benefit more from those programs than the poor and needy. Did you know that only 12% of such monies set aside for in the form of *entitlements actually go to the poor? The rest-88%- goes to the rich and super rich?

January 19, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Usually it's the bigots who misquote Dr. King's intent in an attempt to use him as a cover for their bigotry."

I agree. It's akin to "Christians" that cherry-pick the bible to justify their hate.

January 19, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So only republicans are paid "not to grow food crops".

Please elaborate.

January 19, 2014 at 1:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

"How can that be? Blacks pretty much remained unaccounted for in the 1960s and prior. They were basically invisible. As in didn't even exist; didn't even matter. So how can something be counted that's not even Accounted for?"

In 1950, 17 percent of African-American children lived in a home with their mother but not their father. By 2010 that had increased to 50 percent. In 1965, only eight percent of childbirths in the Black community occurred out-of-wedlock. In 2010 that figure was 41 percent; and today, the out-of-wedlock childbirth in the Black community sits at an astonishing 72 percent. The number of African-American women married and living with their spouse was recorded as 53 percent in 1950. By 2010, it had dropped to 25 percent.

Unemployment for African-American men remains more than twice as high as among white men. For white men in 1954, unemployment was zero. For African-American men in 1954, it was about 4 percent. By 2010 it was 16.7 percent for African-American men and 7.7 percent for white men. In 1954, 79 percent of African-American men were employed. By 2011 that had decreased to 57 percent.

http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/03/black-news/the-black-family-is-worse-off-today-than-in-the-1960s-report-shows/

Liberal government policies have done nothing but hurt blacks.

January 19, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"And you and others of your persuasion have sanctified Palin, who contributes nothing."

If she's such a nobody, why do you still bring her up? Did I sanctify Palin? Hmmmm.

January 19, 2014 at 1:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I posted the same link above at 12:20 rick. They don't read because they don't want to know.

January 19, 2014 at 1:48 p.m.
yddem said...

toes said... "So only republicans are paid "not to grow food crops".

Please elaborate."

I never said that, toes. Read my original response to your "Sowell" post. I mentioned repubs in response to your subsequent claim.

As to why I brought up Palin, the point was obvious, and what I said was clear.

January 19, 2014 at 1:54 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hell, even Farrakhan got $100,000 farm subsidy! I never knew he was a republican.

January 19, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.
yddem said...

Do you now?

January 19, 2014 at 1:59 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, sorry I missed your post with the link.

January 19, 2014 at 2:02 p.m.
jjmez said...

rick1, that's not how polls and statistics worked back then. They pretty much don't work well today either. There was no accurate counting of the African-American community back then. They were pretty much out of sight out of mind. And that wasn't a bad thing either. Because if the counting had been more accurate they'd have likely been an effort to once again downsize the black population one way or antoher. Today, it's through mass incarceration. Back then, race riots and lynch mobs, jails and prisons.

What has contributed greatly to the high unemployment rate for black males and single mothers raising children along have more to do with mass incarceration of that group than any so-called librerl policies. You can't find a job if everytime you leave your house you risk getting arrested. Then with a criminal record employers use that an excuse to not hire you. That's the game the GOP plays, then accuse the people of always needing a handout.

January 19, 2014 at 2:08 p.m.
yddem said...

Check this out, toes:

An Open the Books report said: “Traditionally, farm subsidies have been Republican pork while Democrats had the food stamp subsidies to pass out to their base. Both programs were bound together and passed with substantial support. However, this year the House Republicans separated the bills. This year, in theory, reform is possible.”

So much for your claim about "liberal policies."

Everybody is sucking off that teat, toes, and yours was a typical RW knee-jerk reaction.

January 19, 2014 at 2:09 p.m.
conservative said...

Perhaps Mr. Bennett thinks the Liberals who fussed about voter ID here still don't get it and don't know that not one person was prevented from voting here in Tennessee who was eligible to vote and wanted to because of having to get photo ID.

I will leave it to others to correct those who still have not figured it out.

January 19, 2014 at 2:15 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Subsidies have ALWAYS been favored by both parties. The dems AND repubs got something they wanted out of it. There is no single party to blame for it. To that extent, I agree.

It's time to end it, except in times of natural calamities.

January 19, 2014 at 2:18 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't know why liberals complain about voter fraud. They won the white house twice in a row and still have the senate. They shouldn't rock a floating boat. They must be nervous.

January 19, 2014 at 2:21 p.m.
rick1 said...

jjmez, can you back up what you posted at 2:08pm? Can you prove there was no accurate accounting of the black community by the Census Bureau, Bureau of Labor Statistics, etc.

You seem to always play the victim card in making excuses for people and never look at the fact that liberal policies have cause a lot of harm to black families.

Even the liberal Brooking Institute wrote a report war on poverty what went wrong, which is critical of government policies.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2013/11/19-war-on-poverty-what-went-wrong-haskins#

January 19, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

It's interesting to see how so many conservatives today embrace Dr. King as one of their own, or at the very least, acknowledge that he was a great man worthy of respect, but all the conservatives of his day despised him and called him every vile name in the book. If he were alive today and engaging in protest marches and making the same incendiary speeches he was making then, these conservatives who are so quick to praise him today would be echoing the very same condemnatory rhetoric as they did when he was alive. If they think Obama is a raging socialist/Marxist/Communist, then they would think Dr. King to be the devil incarnate! King was an unabashed liberal in every sense of the word and he espoused social justice in all its forms. Those who think that he would be sympathizing in any way with even one facet of today's conservatism need to re-read some of his speeches and study up on what he truly believed in and fought for. He most certainly would not find anything praiseworthy about today's state of corporate fascism.

In the March on Washington many people overlook the fact that it was not just about civil rights and the equality of blacks and whites but also about ECONOMIC INJUSTICE for ALL Americans. The full name of the March on Washington was "The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom." When he was murdered he was preparing to lead a rally of garbage collectors in Memphis who were striking for higher wages and better working conditions. With income inequality greater today than it has ever been, there is even more reason to protest today than there was then.

Economic justice was central to his message and it came to be even more so over time. He organized the Poor People's Campaign in 1967 in which he spoke out strongly about economic inequality, and he denounced an economic system that he described as "socialism for the rich and free markets for the poor." He also called for a massive federal program to train and place all workers - black and white - on meaningful and dignified jobs at decent wages and a national minimum wage act that would give all Americans a decent standard of living.

So, you RWNJs can sing your hollow praises of Dr. King if you want to, or even pretend that he would be rubbing elbows with you at a tea-party rally, but you are only putting your ignorance on display for all to see. You obviously have no clue what the man really stood for.

January 19, 2014 at 3:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Naw, dude. That guy has at least a hunnert el bees on me.

January 19, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

A few quotes from Dr. King worth chewing on:

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom."

"Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness."

"Philanthropy is commendable, but it must not cause the philanthropist to overlook the circumstances of economic injustice which make philanthropy necessary."

"The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace, and brotherhood."

January 19, 2014 at 3:53 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

A 16 year old Philadelphia A student, with no criminal record was recently allegedly so brutally sexually assaulted* during a stop frisk encounter with Phila's finest that he had to have his penis surgically reconstructed** and may never be able to father a child.

Except for your description of the perp. you got nothing right.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/01/17/phila-police-commissioner-says-january-7th-street-incident-remains-unclear/

The teen says a female officer is the one who searched the boy. Ramsey has pulled one female officer from the street until Internal Affairs completes its investigation. In the video, it appears she wasn’t even involved in the struggle with the boy. She is seen keeping passersby from getting too close to the tussle. The teen is now facing three misdemeanor charges, including resisting arrest.

It appears that the perp was fighting with officers that wanted to question him and sustained an injury to one of his testicles. His claims do not correspond to the facts at the scene or you biased post about it.

Forceful removal of blacks from their traditional communities with gentrification, or quirky little sneaky terms such as "revitalization."

From Wiki:

Gentrification is typically the result of investment in a community by local government, community activists, or business groups, and can often spur economic development, attract business, deter crime, and have other benefits to a community.

Man ... you sure don’t want any of that stuff going on ... do you?

Despite these potential benefits, urban gentrification is often believed by pre-gentrification residents to result in population migration, with poorer residents displaced by wealthier newcomers. However, this may not be the case: separate studies by Lance Freeman (Columbia University) and Jacob Vigdor (Duke University) indicate that there is no more displacement in gentrifying neighborhoods compared to non-gentrifying neighborhoods.

Just more of your Fleabagger B.S. talking points.

January 19, 2014 at 4:01 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

In my post of 3:50 p.m. I said the March on Washington was about civil rights and economic injustice for all, but I meant to say economic JUSTICE for all. My bad. Not that any of you liberal bashers and personal adversaries of mine bother to take notice of what I say anyway.

January 19, 2014 at 4:20 p.m.
degage said...

Roo, you may be right, We don't read your long post because you have become like Al, writing 3000 words and saying nothing. there are some others on here that could say what they do in less words and still get the point across.

January 19, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

What degage said.

January 19, 2014 at 5 p.m.
rick1 said...

Roo has his history wrong again. It was Eisenhower who sent the National Guard to the Little Rock High School to allow the black students to enter after the democrat governor refused to comply with the Supreme Court decision in Brown v Education.

It was 97 Senate democrats who voted for the Southern Manifesto, which called for advocating continued segregation in schools.

In 1961 James Meredith was refused admission to the University of Mississippi because of his race and both John F. Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy did nothing to get Meredith into Ole Miss. It wasn’t until an federal appellate ruled he was not being allowed to enter Ole Miss because of his race did the Kennedy’s finally get involved.

Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. Byrd fought hard against civil rights was held up as one of the elders of the democrat party.

John F. Kennedy authorized his brother Attorney General Bobby Kennedy to wire tapping of Dr. MLK phone and democrats accused MLK of being a communist.

It is you who is ignorant.

January 19, 2014 at 5:04 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Yes, nobody is better than you in saying NOTHING so succinctly, degage. There...was that few enough words for you?

January 19, 2014 at 5:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Guess what BHO blames for his falling poll numbers? Go ahead. Go out on a limb and guess.

January 19, 2014 at 5:09 p.m.
jjmez said...

rick1 when you used the Census and Bureau of Labor to point to statistics and the black population, I knew right away you have no clue.

It's historical and textbook fact that blacks have always been under counted in America. Some by choice, others by design. If you missed out on that in grade school, blame a poorly designed educational system.

The story of the so many southern blacks showing up for the Draft in World War II and the military's shocked that they never knew there were so many blacks in the south. That fact has been mentioned in book after book for decades. Even made into movies.

To begin with, we'll take Census: You'd have to understand how Census taking was back then. There's no accurate means of taking the Census. Plus, African-Americans mistrust of anything tied to the government often made them hide from the Census takers.

Bureau of Labor: The way many migrant workers are worked with no official record of their being employed today, it was worse back then when most migrant workers were black. Many were often hired as day laborers to work on farms, steel mills and other foundaries without the business or employer officially hiring them on record.

You have to understand the period of those times. An ethnic, racial group who feared and mistrust the government because of having experienced unfair often brutal treament at the hands of government and a labor market who sought to exploit them. The same thing happens today in the labor market, with the target being illegal aliens crossing the border. If they're injured or killed on the job there's no record of it, and no responsibility to the employer. To this day rapes, murders, injuries and deaths of migrant workers is rampant and remains mostly hidden. Workers kept under slave like condition and forced labor where many aren't paid, or end up in debt to their employers still takes place in America. Especially on farms.

January 19, 2014 at 5:14 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

What the hell are you talking about, rick1?? I didn't say anything whatsoever about what you're posting. As for certain Dems calling MLK a communist, there certainly were some few (lingering states' rights Dixiecrats mostly) who didn't like King's stance on civil rights but you're a bald-faced liar if you're trying to tell me that conservatives in his day embraced Dr. King's liberal beliefs and activism.

January 19, 2014 at 5:16 p.m.
jjmez said...

jt, I've already read your link and several others. Yours is the report by the cops who, well, we already know how the cops make reports to cover a**. go to mailonline co. uk to get a more accurate detail of what happened. Or Aussie news, because U.S. news always try to downplay these stories.

There's no evidence the 16 year old fought with the officers. There's nothing in the video that shows he fought with them. Again, that's what they said.

The fact remains, the 16 year old ended up with a ruptured testicle and had to have emergency surgery to repair it. A doctor at the hospital said whoever did this to him should be prosecuted.

www.mailonline.co.uk

January 19, 2014 at 5:20 p.m.
jjmez said...

rick1, those were dixiecrats. Nixon and later Reagan won them over and they became far right wing conservatives. With the same racist hatred and bigotry they embraced in Brown vs Board of Education.

January 19, 2014 at 5:23 p.m.
rick1 said...

Roo posted "It's interesting to see how so many conservatives today embrace Dr. King as one of their own, or at the very least, acknowledge that he was a great man worthy of respect, but all the conservatives of his day despised him and called him every vile name in the book."

Now do you know what I'm talking about?

And your a bald face liar if you believe he was embraced by the democrats.

January 19, 2014 at 5:23 p.m.
jjmez said...

Well, rick1, he certainly wouldn't be embraced by today's GOP and their Republican fan base. They'd likely be his and President Lincoln's assassins all over again if either were alive today.

January 19, 2014 at 5:25 p.m.
rick1 said...

jjmez, posted those were dixiecrats. Nixon and later Reagan won them over and they became far right wing conservatives. With the same racist hatred and bigotry they embraced in Brown vs Board of Education.

False all but two remained Democrats.

Dixiecrats who remained Democrats after 1964:

Orval Fabus Benjamin Travis Laney John Stennis James Eastland Allen Ellender Russell Long John Sparkman John McClellan Richard Russell Herman Talmadge George Wallace Lester Maddox John Rarick Robert Byrd Al Gore, Sr. Bull Connor

Dixiecrats who became Republicans after 1964: Strom Thurmond Miles Godwin

January 19, 2014 at 5:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jmez. ^^ you may want to retract that.

January 19, 2014 at 5:36 p.m.
rick1 said...

jjmez, posted "It's historical and textbook fact that blacks have always been under counted in America."

We know how accurate our text books are don't we. They are still teaching students that FDR's policies saved this country when it has been proven other wise.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123353276749137485?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB123353276749137485.html

"The story of the so many southern blacks showing up for the Draft in World War II and the military's shocked that they never knew there were so many blacks in the south. That fact has been mentioned in book after book for decades. Even made into movies."

Story is right and if it is in the movies it must be true. We know Hollywood would never embellish anything.

You still have not provided any proof to back up what you posted.

You just don't want to face the facts of failed liberal polices.

January 19, 2014 at 5:39 p.m.
degage said...

JJmez, My Dad was a staunch republican back in the 60's and he was totally pissed at the way King was being treated. And you are wrong about the conservatives, we aren't the monsters you want to paint us. You as a liberal are not a monster just blind.

January 19, 2014 at 5:41 p.m.
jjmez said...

PT why retract? When the GOP was so vicious during this last election cycle that they gave rise to and inspired all those hate groups to come out in the open?

degage, I never said all republicans. That would be like saying all people living in the Confederate states supported slavery, Jim Crow and segregation. All didn't support those things. T

January 19, 2014 at 5:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "If Republican/Conservative ideology is unquestionably superior, the GOP would be doing everything in their power to increase voter participation."

The trouble with that is the voters the Democrats would like to bring to the voting booth are those that would vote themselves benefits at a cost to others. That is what causes a democracy to fail, as they always do.

January 19, 2014 at 6:05 p.m.
jjmez said...

BRP, you're confusing those Democratic voters with corporate welfare America. Like Mittens who got that 15 million bailout then hid it in an offshore account. Those Democratic voters aren't voting for benefits to themselves, they're voting against the hate and venom they've witnessed spewed from the right dating back to Nixon, Reagan.

January 19, 2014 at 6:09 p.m.
jjmez said...

www.couriemail.com.au

Titled Story: Philadelphis male, Darrin Manning, suffers ruptured testicle during pat-down by police

January 19, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.
degage said...

jjmez, you might be interested in an article called the short history of democrats and republicans and racism. google it.

January 19, 2014 at 6:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Anyone posting here around during Dr. King days? Or just a Wiki read?

January 19, 2014 at 6:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BigRidgePatriot said... "The trouble with that is the voters the Democrats would like to bring to the voting booth are those that would vote themselves benefits at a cost to others."

So, BRP, you believe that some voters should not be allowed to vote because, in your opinion, their right to vote is predicated on whether their opinion fits your opinion?

Can we also extract from your statement that you believe the poor are the only people that vote their pocketbook?

January 19, 2014 at 6:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

jt, I've already read your link and several others. Yours is the report by the cops who, well, we already know how the cops make reports to cover a**. go to mailonline co. uk to get a more accurate detail of what happened. Or Aussie news, because U.S. news always try to downplay these stories.

No !! ... Dunce ! .... it was the report from the CBS affiliate in Philadelphia. In fact, all of the foreign sources you reference are quoting the local Philly press.

There's no evidence the 16 year old fought with the officers. There's nothing in the video that shows he fought with them. Again, that's what they said.

The news media in Philadelphia viewed the video and they do not support your version or the perp’s. The only people supporting you are the professional race hustlers.

The fact remains, the 16 year old ended up with a ruptured testicle and had to have emergency surgery to repair it.

What happened to the “brutal sexual assault” and his “penis” injury that you were ranting about.

January 19, 2014 at 6:58 p.m.
degage said...

PT I was around and an adult. Our younger generation only know what the liberals want them to know. King did so much for his race but some have forgotten that he was a peaceful man. Democrats of the day were so against him. You youngsters who were not yet born or were to young to care what was going on need to stop depending on the history books put out now, since they have tended to distort the facts to fit their agenda.

January 19, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Degage, you are attaching way too much significance to party affiliation in defining conservative vs. liberal back in those days of the Civil War to Civil Rights. Yes, there were some Republicans back then who were actually liberal leaning in some ways (Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was liberalism in its purest form!), but the Republican Party of today has morphed into this extremist conservative party that thinks that any and all liberalism is the work of the devil.

And yes, there were some Republicans who might have liked some of what Dr. King stood for, but the staunch conservatives, especially those who took a strong anti-communist stance, despised Dr. King for his liberal activism and socialistic ideals that they deemed tantamount to communism.

As for the voting record of Democrats and Republicans for the Civil Rights Act, it was not so much party affiliation but regional differences that divided the Dems and Repubs. Almost unanimously, both Republicans and Democrats from the Southern states voted against it, while the vast majority of those from the North, in both parties, voted for it.

While the Republican Party used to give support to the working class person, today it has become strictly the party of the rich, and you wannabe billionaires keep voting Republican because you think they stand for "individual freedom." What a joke. The only freedom the Republicans care about is the freedom for corporations and the rich to indulge in greed and make obscene amounts of money, all at the expense of the working people and the poor and the elderly.

January 19, 2014 at 7:10 p.m.
degage said...

Roo, Wannabe billionaires? You make me laugh! All of the republicans I know are middle class. Guess I run in the wrong crowd. That really was the joke of the day.

January 19, 2014 at 7:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

degage said... "You youngsters who were not yet born or were to young to care what was going on need to stop depending on the history books put out now, since they have tended to distort the facts to fit their agenda."

Those damn history books and their agenda! Maybe we should change the science books to disprove global warming.

I bet those poor Nazis were trying to help the Jews, huh degage?

January 19, 2014 at 7:25 p.m.
jjmez said...

jt, it was a sexual assault. Just imagine if this had happened to a white chick who'd gotten a brutal pat-down by a cop and she received damage to her vaginal area. You'd be all over the story like white on rice calling for the heads of the police. And gawd forbid if any of the cops involved were black.

Either you are female or a male who knows nothing about the male genatalia area. The manner in which the testicle was damaged, squeezed until the testicle popped, would cause immediated damage to the penis because there are many blood arteries, sperm carrying veins involved the doctors would have to attempt a repair. That's where the doctors said they had to do reconstructive surgery. It doesn't mean the penis was ripped off or anything. DUNCE?!! Look in the mirror. Simple 6TH grade biology class.

January 19, 2014 at 7:28 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Do you even know what "wannabe" means, degage? Pause for a moment and think about it...if that's possible for you. You are the joke.

January 19, 2014 at 7:33 p.m.
jjmez said...

degage said: King was a peaceful man.

That's not how y'all described him in his day. If the word terroist had been in vogue back then you'd have labeled him a *terrorist. There were all kinds of efforts to sabotage and discredit Dr. King. Even making sure wherever he went to speak violence broke out in an effort to prove he was a man of violence and not peace. I know. I was there.

January 19, 2014 at 7:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

good points, Degage

January 19, 2014 at 7:36 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "I have been voting for a very long time and always had to have ID, in the north and south. I have to have a Photo Id to open an account, cash a check, see a doctor, admission to hospital and the list goes on and on. The fraud actually comes from not having a photo ID, anyone can say I am so and so and vote even if that person is dead. I am aware you liberals have all your talking points to refute that but they just don't make sense."

It doesn't make sense to you BECAUSE you have had a photo I.D. for most of your life AND because you have everything most likely in your possession to obtain one.

The problem people like you never seem to grasp is that there are still home born and home grown Americans in this nation who do not have what it takes to prove their identity enough to satisfy the requirments to obtain a photo I.D., and guess what? The powers that be know full well that they are far more likely to vote for Democrats than they are Republicans.

Formal birth certificates were not available to all as late as the 1960's. There are still generations of blacks who were never issued birth certificates by the States they were born in.

Any statement that Democrats are the only political group to commit voter fraud is pure myth. Republicans have been caught many times over the past decade, especially those who live at different times of the year between two residences located in the North and the South.

Voter I.D. does very little to prevent voter fraud. It does however prevent many people from being allowed to vote, which is the goal, and only an idiot would believe otherwise.

January 19, 2014 at 7:36 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Mickey Rat makes my point. Y'all love to talk race. If racism ended tomorrow, you libby's would be bereft of anything to say."

Notice how the man REFUSES to address the individual points to dispute them, but instead refers to them as merely "liberal talking points."

And of course, it's so easy to believe that the man is a fence sitter.

January 19, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

There you go again, Alpy. An unprovoked attack.

January 19, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

jjmez said....

Did you know that only 12% of such monies set aside for in the form of *entitlements actually go to the poor? The rest-88%- goes to the rich and super rich?

You miss the point. I don't care who gets them they should all be zero. The federal government has no business in the welfare and entitlement business. As previously stated, assure opportunities and equal access to them including education and skills. Democrats and republicans keep buying votes and talking about how much they care but they care only about keeping their cushy job. Their behavior and failures are disgusting. They have convinced people that they can't do anything to keep other countries from luring American businesses to their country which is BS.

January 19, 2014 at 7:54 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Kris Kristofferson wrote, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose". He couldn't be farther from the truth. But it's strange how liberals take little snippets out of things like that in an attempt to begin a full fledged movement.

January 19, 2014 at 8 p.m.
alprova said...

Rickaroo, your 7:10 pm post was SPOT ON!! It perfectly captures the morphing of the modern day Republican Party and what they have come to represent in the year 2014.

Any association or admiration that the Republican Party once had with Martin Luther King, Jr. in the early 1960's has vanished into thin air, and the modern day Republican is nothing at all like they were back then.

Is there anyone who could hold a straight face and declare that the Republican Party of today would support civil rights legislation?

January 19, 2014 at 8:05 p.m.
alprova said...

jjmez wrote: "Either you are female or a male who knows nothing about the male genatalia area."

I believe you are right on both counts. In her former identity, an admission was made to it being a female and a carpet muncher as well.

January 19, 2014 at 8:08 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Pay no mind to alpo PT. He ASSumes everything. He claims I'm on here 24/7 when in fact, there's no posts from me at anytime within the last 16 months between the hours of 2:30 pm and 11:30 pm on regular work days (sans holidays).

He also claims I've lived here all my life up to now. All I can say is Harcum way Pittsburgh ain't no nooga.

January 19, 2014 at 8:12 p.m.
alprova said...

pt whined: "There you go again, Alpy. An unprovoked attack."

When I attack you, you will know it. I merely made mention of the undeniable fact that you refused to address the content of the man's post and deferred to once again make a generalized comment towards a group that you clearly have a problem with.

"Damn yuuuuuuu libbbberrrallls!!"

January 19, 2014 at 8:13 p.m.
jjmez said...

You must care, fairmon Otherwise, you wouldn't always make it an effort to tie those enttlment programs to the poor and minority. And you know what? You're going to care even more when you learn how you yourself have personally benefitted from those dreaded government handouts. Everything in America stands on the shoulders of the poor. When and if the federal government start to cut those programs, you'll realize all too late how you will be personally affected. Just wait. You'll see.

January 19, 2014 at 8:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo talking civil rights. Show us the great strides the black community has made since the civil rights movement. They're much worse off now than before your kind meddled with them. Your give'em this and give'em that crap has failed miserably.

Your war on poverty has chased the black father out of the home creating the disaster we witness today.

January 19, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jmez, you see cuts coming? I don't.

January 19, 2014 at 8:23 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes 02800 wrote: "Pay no mind to alpo PT. He ASSumes everything. He claims I'm on here 24/7 when in fact, there's no posts from me at anytime within the last 16 months between the hours of 2:30 pm and 11:30 pm on regular work days (sans holidays)."

Really? I only had to go back to Friday to find proof to the contrary. You posted at 9:05, 9:36, 9:46, 9:49, and at 9:55 pm.

On Thursday, you posted at 2:45 pm. Ooops...looks like you were late for work on that day.

You did say that there would be NO POSTS found beween those hours, dodn't you? Would you care to rephrase your claim?

"He also claims I've lived here all my life up to now. All I can say is Harcum way Pittsburgh ain't no nooga."

Unlike some people who hang around in here, I do not claim to follow the course of other people's lives and my memory is quite faulty these days.

So...you're a transplant? I'll make a post-a-note of that for future reference, not that it makes any difference.

You're still a dispenser of rumors, speculation, and outright lies and I'm sure that I do not have to remind a soul to those simple facts.

January 19, 2014 at 8:27 p.m.
degage said...

Dude, Your remark about Nazis was just plain stupid and as for your global warming remark, did you know the degrees of warming in the last 130 years is 1.53.

January 19, 2014 at 8:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes02800 wrote: "Alpo talking civil rights. Show us the great strides the black community has made since the civil rights movement."

Well, I can think of two that probably bother you deeply. You may have to eat at a table or drink from a water fountain that a black man used just before you arrived.

"They're much worse off now than before your kind meddled with them. Your give'em this and give'em that crap has failed miserably."

I'm sure I could drag a few trailer parks and find a few whites to hold up as worse off now than they were in the 60's too.

I've meet some extremely repectable black people and their families over the years. Your's and other's contentions that blacks as a group are worse off than they were is pure bunk and I'd love for you to walk up to a black person anywhere and try to tell them that to their face.

"Your war on poverty has chased the black father out of the home creating the disaster we witness today."

I dare offer that for every black man who has abandoned their wife and kids, I could probably provide five to ten white men who have done the same thing.

Oh...that's right...there are more white people than there are black people, so only percentages matter. Real numbers are meaningless, right?

January 19, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

jj says:

"Everything in America stands on the shoulders of the poor".

What the hell are you talking about? Liberalism creates poor people! What great liberal policy has ever made someone successful? Besides the elitist class(Obama and the like). Dividing people into classes and training them to be "victims" of some evil republican force is NOT a road to success! Unless you're a democrat creating a permanent voting bloc.

Every black man who has become successful without following the liberal protocol of playing "victim", is utterly eviscerated by you lefties and your lefty "news" outlets.

January 19, 2014 at 8:34 p.m.
jesse said...

WOW AL, A carpet muncher?? Not very P.C. coming from a self avowed lib!!!

January 19, 2014 at 8:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^ Toes is right. And Alpy is particularly FOS tonite.

January 19, 2014 at 8:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes, you're going to learn one day to quit using absolutes when you attempt to demean your political foes.

EVERY liberal eviscerates successful black men?

Colin Powell is one man that received much more criticism from the right than he ever has from the left. It derailed any political asperations he ever had, in fact.

Susan Rice? Which political party went after her?

I suppose you believe that Herman Cain was merely misunderstood and that he was totally respectful towards women, but former San Diego Mayor Bob Filner was a monster who deserved to be hung.

January 19, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wow, now ALPO wants to get into a "I sit at the table with more black people than you do" dialogue. What a total freakin moron.

January 19, 2014 at 8:44 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

alpo,your crap above is all bogus.The government is handing out entitlements to blacks as WELL as whites. And BOTH are suffering as a result. Thanks for proving my point.

I'd like to see you tell a black guy that because they're not as smart, or hard working that they must be helped by your adoring democratic party. You might just get bitch slapped.

January 19, 2014 at 8:47 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Wow, now ALPO wants to get into a "I sit at the table with more black people than you do" dialogue."

I'll guarantee you that I have talked to more black people in the past week than you have your entire life. You hide in your little hovel all day and night, posting in this forum. It's life as you have come to know it.

When was the last time you even saw another human being that wasn't on an electronic screen...period?

"What a total freakin moron."

Haw...haw....haw. You're running short on insults tonight. I know you're capable of much more than that.

January 19, 2014 at 8:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, Bondo Boy, unlike you, I don't barf up personal info, but I will assure you, I live in no hovel. As for the "talked to more black people,,,etc", you're just proving my point. Why I bet some of your best friends are black!

January 19, 2014 at 9:01 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T., Only as long as they make payments on time!!

January 19, 2014 at 9:02 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes02800 wrote: "alpo,your crap above is all bogus.The government is handing out entitlements to blacks as WELL as whites. And BOTH are suffering as a result. Thanks for proving my point."

Look, we can probably agree that there are many moochers out there, who are unmotivated and ready to accept free stuff and who will do it for life if it is continued.

But where people like you mess up all the time, is in any assumptions that people who are on assistance all fall into that group.

This nation is filled with people who have fallen on hard times and who have pulled themselves up and triumphed over adversity. And there's more of them that people like yourself will ever acknowledge or celebrate.

For sure, there are people who care only to live a bare bones existence and who are happy to be there. They come in all shapes, sizes, colors and cultures.

Try to focus on the facts, rather than stereotypes.

"I'd like to see you tell a black guy that because they're not as smart, or hard working that they must be helped by your adoring democratic party. You might just get bitch slapped."

The only person making that kind of disclaimer is you. I have never read or heard a person who might be considered a liberal claim that a black man is not smart enough to do anything.

You're quite guilty of making up your own facts as you post.

I'd love for you to post a link to any proof that a liberal has ever claimed that because black people are not smart or hard working, we have a duty to help him or her.

That's nothing but a Republican spawned myth, or one you just made up. It's hard to tell one way or the other.

You've probably told it so many times, that you have come to believe it.

January 19, 2014 at 9:03 p.m.
yddem said...

toes said "Kris Kristofferson wrote, 'Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.' He couldn't be farther from the truth." Au contraire, young fellow.

I don't know why you thought you could make some anti-liberal point by quoting only part of the song lyrics, but Kris unquestionably knew what he wrote about, which was the "freedom" you have after you've lost your lover and the loss of love you suffer as a result. The next lyric, which you did not include, makes the point: "And nothing left was all she left to me."

January 19, 2014 at 9:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Colin Powell?? Really??

Susan Rice?? You mean the one who lied her ass off to protect Hillary?? The one who got rewarded for jumping under the bus for Hillary?

Why no mention the democrat war on women either?

And when you supposedly sit at your table with your "black friends", do you remind them just how helpless they are? Do you confirm for them that they can't do anything on their own? Do you constantly profess your guilt for being born white? Do you offer to them your paycheck just because they're black and you're not?

Your guilt must be overwhelming.

January 19, 2014 at 9:06 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: :"Well, Bondo Boy, unlike you, I don't barf up personal info, but I will assure you, I live in no hovel."

But of course. You're made of money, you live the life of Riley, and you have a full life, outside of the 16 hours a day you spend in here most seven days a week, 365 days a year.

"As for the "talked to more black people,,,etc", you're just proving my point. Why I bet some of your best friends are black!"

As a matter of fact, I have several life-long friends who are black.

The problem is, and it is YOUR problem, that you cannot facthom how it is that a white man could ever be friends with a black person, especially living here in the South.

But of course...I'm the one who is supposedly the moron.

(A shake of the head and a long sigh....)

January 19, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^. Bwahahaha

January 19, 2014 at 9:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

My point exactly yd! The hippy generation took that one snippet (out of context of course) and ran with it to mean that American freedom was less than it truly is. And in my opinion, part of the Anti-American movement was born.

January 19, 2014 at 9:13 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "you believe that some voters should not be allowed to vote because, in your opinion, their right to vote is predicated on whether their opinion fits your opinion?"

Not exactly. I believe people that do not make a net contribution or are on the government dole should not be able to vote. Kind of radical, but if they cannot take care of themselves they are not qualified to say how contributor's money should be spent.

January 19, 2014 at 9:16 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"(A shake of the head and a long sigh....)"

You should get that checked.

January 19, 2014 at 9:16 p.m.
yddem said...

What do you think you know about "the hippie generation," toes? And taken out of context? It was you who presumed to say that Kris was wrong.

January 19, 2014 at 9:18 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

BRP said:

"Not exactly. I believe people that do not make a net contribution or are on the government dole should not be able to vote. Kind of radical, but if they cannot take care of themselves they are not qualified to say how contributor's money should be spent."

That would mean that all the hard work liberals have done to create a dependent class of voters would all be wasted. They can't have that.

January 19, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Taken in the context the "60's" generation took it, it was far from the truth. Poorly worded or put? perhaps. But the point stands.

January 19, 2014 at 9:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes02800 wrote: "Colin Powell?? Really??"

You bet. What? Can't find the words to refute it?

"Susan Rice?? You mean the one who lied her ass off to protect Hillary?? The one who got rewarded for jumping under the bus for Hillary?"

When you one day decide to read something other than the Republican Fairy tales, you'll discover that every single word that she spoke was supplied by National Intelligence reports supplied to the White House in the days following what happened that night.

This is why to date, not one single person has been prosecuted for a thing related to one of the several scandals that the Republicans have offered. People are learning real fast that the Republicans are nothing but spewers of hot air and nothing else.

"Why no mention the democrat war on women either?"

You're chalked full of myths this evening, aren't you?

"And when you supposedly sit at your table with your "black friends", do you remind them just how helpless they are? Do you confirm for them that they can't do anything on their own? Do you constantly profess your guilt for being born white? Do you offer to them your paycheck just because they're black and you're not?"

I don't happen to know a black person who is helpless, unable to care for themselves and their loved ones, or who would ever accept one of my paychecks for doing nothing.

You just proved what I charged you with a while ago. That is YOUR perception of black people. What a shame it is that you do not take time to make a personal assessment. You're lost in the Republican spin cycle.

"Your guilt must be overwhelming."

Your projection is not something I have any reason to feel guilty about. I live in the absolute real world, where people are treated as people.

When was the last time you hurried to lock your car doors when you saw a black person walking towards you while waiting for a green light?

You're sh!t-scared of black people, aren't you?

I would be too, if I held some of the opinions you have shared this evening and attempted to lay off on myself.

January 19, 2014 at 9:33 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "^^^^. Bwahahaha"

That's about what I expected you to post. It's what you always do when you are cornered with nowhere else to run.

January 19, 2014 at 9:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No one's cornered, Bondo King.

January 19, 2014 at 9:50 p.m.
yddem said...

brp said "Not exactly. I believe people that do not make a net contribution or are on the government dole should not be able to vote. Kind of radical, but if they cannot take care of themselves they are not qualified to say how contributor's money should be spent."

No, that is not radical. It is reactionary.

The person who refers to himself as a "patriot" will of course decide who makes a "net contribution", what constitutes being on the dole and whether someone who makes $50,000 or even $500,000 a year is "qualified" to say how Warren Buffett's money should be spent.

January 19, 2014 at 10:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo claims to live in the "real world". Such a joke.

Such narcissism isn't healthy for you.

You know more of this and you know more of that blah blah blah.

There's more white folks I don't like than black ones. But real numbers are meaningless, only percentages matter, right?

Are you sure the people you run with really like you? Or do they just...tolerate your holier-than-thou attitude?

January 19, 2014 at 10:17 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Another reason why unions suck

"Then there are super-minimum wage laws, such as the Davis-Bacon Act, which were written for the express purposes of excluding blacks from government-financed or -assisted construction projects. Labor unions have a long history of discrimination against blacks. Frederick Douglass wrote about this in "The Tyranny, Folly, and Wickedness of Labor Unions," and Booker T. Washington did so in "The Negro and the Labor Unions." To the detriment of their constituents, black politicians give support to labor laws pushed by unions and white liberal organizations."---Walter Williams

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/04/10/black-unemployment-n1561096/page/full

January 19, 2014 at 10:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

TOES02800 said... "That would mean that all the hard work liberals have done to create a dependent class of voters would all be wasted. They can't have that."

So you too feel that the right to vote is not universal in this country. That is remarkable. Anybody else here believe that the right of American citizens to vote should be conditional?

January 19, 2014 at 10:33 p.m.
yddem said...

toes said "Another reason why unions suck."'

Great to see you are looking out for the low-paid Black workers, toes.

January 19, 2014 at 10:40 p.m.

You liberals are astoundingly ignorant. You're like parrots. The Republican Party is not a conservative party, it's not controlled by conservatives and it's gone out of its way to nominate eunuchs in the last two presidential elections. It goes out of its way to go along and give in to what Democrats want, and is very much part of the two headed monster that just wants the federal government to grow. It attacks true conservatives almost as often as Democrats do. You' don't know what you're talking about. There's almost no difference between the two parties. They first voice their opposition to what Democrats want, then they tone it down so they don't come across as mean to the liberal media, then they eventually just give Democrats almost everything they want.

Regarding Obama, MLK would vomit if he were around now to see what an anti-American, slave master, bully, and power hungry bastard we have in the White House now. He would be disgusted at the 38% of black males employed in this country, and how the war on poverty has morphed into nothing more than a gigantic plantation. He would be disgusted how black americans who want to be independent are torn to pieces by the master-slave/plantation mentality of the Democrat Party.

January 19, 2014 at 10:44 p.m.

Black Americans who wander off the Democrat Party plantation are ridiculed, threatened and become knows as uncle toms.

January 19, 2014 at 10:47 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The liberals created the dependent class under the guise of "compassion", when it was really just a way to set in stone a continuing class of dependent people to champion for. The democrats should be proud. It's worked masterfully.

January 19, 2014 at 10:49 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Google "Weirton Steel" yd and see for yourself what an out of control union does. They weren't happy with $40 an hour for 40 hour work week. The union there got everything they wanted. Then reality hit when they could no longer compete with foreign steel makers.

As per usual, the union priced themselves out of the market, losing ALL jobs, white AND black. You think $25 to $50 an hour is low pay?

January 19, 2014 at 10:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

jjmez said...

You must care, fairmon Otherwise, you wouldn't always make it an effort to tie those enttlment programs to the poor and minority. And you know what? You're going to care even more when you learn how you yourself have personally benefitted from those dreaded government handouts.

Enlighten me on what you consider an entitlement program? I can't think of a federal government welfare program that is not abused, inefficient and managed by a bloated federal hierarchy. We are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, a strong defense and those protections specified constitutionally. What beyond that should be in the state or private domain? If you are talking about reasonable regulations that protect people that is not welfare. If you are talking about the tax system there is a lot of welfare built in.

I don't associate welfare with minorities since there is abuse and misuse within all ethnicities probably in about equal percentages.

January 20, 2014 at 1:07 a.m.
limric said...

BigRidgePatriot quote:

”The trouble with that is the voters the Democrats would like to bring to the voting booth are those that would vote themselves benefits at a cost to others. That is what causes a democracy to fail, as they always do.”

You haven’t addressed the question of why, if Republican ideology is superior, they shy away from increased participation? Free marketers unable compete in the marketplace of ideas?

But ok. Be that as it may. Aren’t GOP efforts to ‘decrease’ voter participation in a democracy the antithesis of our form of governance which ”Derives its powers from the consent of the governed”?

Thus it is reasonable to conclude that the GOP advocates a policy of: ‘not wanting the voters picking legislators, but legislators picking the voters’ is - ultimately a recipe for failure - ala a Politburo.

”I believe people that do not make a net contribution or are on the government dole should not be able to vote. Kind of radical.” Ah… yea that is.

January 20, 2014 at 6:19 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Well, remember the last election's motto from the GOP:

"We know our guy is crappy, just not as crappy as the one in office."

And limric, look at what a few lawmakers from our state are wanting. They want to take away the people electing US senators and leave it up to the state legislature. If we had a democrat-super majority proposing this, imagine what we would be hearing from PT, Toes, and rick1...It's always "less government" until it comes to something near and dear to the GOP then we need government mandates or new laws passed.

January 20, 2014 at 7:11 a.m.
conservative said...

Owebama for pushing drugs- No surprise here.

"Obama on Marijuana Legalization: ‘It’s Important for It to Go Forward’"

Read more: Obama on Marijuana Legalization: 'It's Important for It to Go Forward' | TIME.com http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/19/obama-on-marijuana-legalization-its-important-for-it-to-go-forward/#ixzz2qwNkNrGT

January 20, 2014 at 7:25 a.m.
yddem said...

toes said "Google "Weirton Steel" yd and see for yourself what an out of control union does. They weren't happy with $40 an hour for 40 hour work week. The union there got everything they wanted. Then reality hit when they could no longer compete with foreign steel makers."

I remember reading about Weirton years ago when the bankruptcy was filed. The company had been failing in the 1980's, when the employees bought the company. The company was prosperous for awhile but eventually foundered in 2004.

Weirton did not fail because employees were making $40 per hour. Where did you get that figure?

In 1979, the average wage was about $16 per hour.

http://www.wvpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SWWV2013.pdf

In 2003, the average wage was about $19 per hour.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2002&dat=20030209&id=6OxVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5UANAAAAIBAJ&pg=4594,2317779

January 20, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.
Maximus said...

As a successful black Republican business owner I want to wish one of my inspirations, Dr. Martin Luther King a very Happy Birthday. A great Republican and of course one of our greatest orators, MLK, you are dearly missed.

"I judge men not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.". And I will add as an update, most Democrat men have very, very, trashy class warfare, impossible economic equality, Lee Harvey Oswald, Marxist character. The closest leader we have today is former Congressman Alan West of FL. Wow, what a great POTUS he would make! Y'all have a nice day and get your butts to work!

January 20, 2014 at 8:28 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Toes has no clue about what happened to the US Steel industry, unions had nothing to do with the systematic failure of the steel companies. You can find ample details in most B-school literature.

Big steel failed because of a complex collision of circumstances. The industry refused to modernize after WWII and placed as much reliance as it could on milking its existing technology. The success of WWII in destroying the industrial infrastructure of Japan and Germany necessitated they rebuild using the latest technology. The Japanese has an auto industry that capitalized on quality methods developed and ignored by industry in the US. The list goes on.

Toes sounds like he may have lived or grown up in the Western PA region but his view is pretty distorted.

In spite of all the foibles of the steel workers unions, they only participated in the fall with wages the companies were willing and could afford to pay, as sloppy capitalists, they were milking the value of the company anyway. The fall was caused by the failure of its management leaders and investors to provide effective management. They were more focussed on maximizing short-term profit over long-term stability.

Furthermore, PA has a long (200 year) industrial/economic history of peaking and failing as new technology displaces old technology.

I will point out the value of unions: in 1979, an average wage of $16/hr, or $33K/yr was a basic livable wage, not luxurious, not starvation but a good solid wage the industry could afford.

As usual, although this board is about voting rights, again folks have made an effort to highjack it for unrelated polemical, gyrations about their personal heartburn.

January 20, 2014 at 8:39 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

I hate to violate my own complaint about straying off-topic; but Rick1 clearly defined the political and racial problem in the South that started in the South in the 1970's, though he probably regrets saying it:

"It was Eisenhower who sent the National Guard to the Little Rock High School to allow the black students to enter after the democrat governor refused to comply with the Supreme Court decision..."

"It was 97 Senate democrats who voted for the Southern Manifesto, which called for advocating continued segregation in schools."

Lyndon Johnson upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 said it would destroy the Democratic party in the South. History proved him correct, all the segregationists/racists ran to the GOP hence the majority of the writers on this page. A wag once said, "Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it."

January 20, 2014 at 9:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQM: Unions are good. Republicans own racism. Got it.

January 20, 2014 at 9:37 a.m.
jjmez said...

jan 19, 2014, time: 10:47 pm zabledoo said: "Black Americans who wander of the Democratic Plantation are ridiculed, threatened and become knows at uncle toms?

If that's the case, then white people who wander of the Republican plantation are threatened, ostracized and are accused of abandoning their race and their heritage.

btw-You need to seriously brush up on your history. It's apparent you don't know the true story behind Uncle Tom.

January 20, 2014 at 10:04 a.m.
jjmez said...

inquiringminds said: *Lyndon Johnson upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 said it would destroy the Democratic party in the South. History proved him correct, all the segregationists/racists ran to the GOP hence the majority of the writers on this page. A wag once said, "Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it."

^5+a trilliona more. Couldn't have said it better.

January 20, 2014 at 10:08 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

jmezz says "if that's the case, then white people who wander of the Republican plantation are threatened, ostracized and are accused of abandoning their race and their heritage." Proof?

January 20, 2014 at 10:09 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

PT - No, stay on point. The folks who ran to the GOP around here push restrictive voter id laws to keep the poor and oppressed out of the voting booth thereby preserving their minority rule and heritage of racism and bigotry.

January 20, 2014 at 10:39 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQM: No, bub. You stay on point. In fact, you just made my point.

January 20, 2014 at 10:44 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

IQM says:

"The folks who ran to the GOP around here push restrictive voter id laws to keep the poor and oppressed out of the voting booth thereby preserving their minority rule and heritage of racism and bigotry." PROOF?

January 20, 2014 at 10:53 a.m.
jesse said...

WOW P.T. ! I musta hurt your feelin's the other day!!

January 20, 2014 at 11:14 a.m.

I see that Obama just said in an interview with New York Magazine that he believes his popularity is not what it should be because some folks still have a problem because he's black. Horsecrap.

He's being judged on the content of his character, his actions, and agenda, not by the color of his skin.

He's a proven liar, has contempt for the legislative process and the Constitution.

January 20, 2014 at 11:15 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

IQM don't know jack.

"We offered a downsized company with 1,200 fewer workers," he said. "The key is if the union would have accepted the offer, we would still be in control of our destiny. We would still have our own controlling interest."

http://www.weirtondailytimes.com/page/content.detail/id/541667/Zielinsky-pens-book-on-Weirton-Steel-s-demise.html?nav=5006#sthash.8OJwGi2L.dpuf

You still have no clue what the hell your talking about.

My grandfather worked in that mill for over 50 years. He would tell us about workers sleeping three hours, getting up, eating lunch, sleep for two more hours and punch out.

I remember working for an outside contractor at the old J&L coke plant in Hazelwood PA. in the early eighties. My brother and I would have to walk over people sleeping in the "doghouse" carrying equipment. We were to take a bulkhead plate off the end of a large pipe. Although the wrench was laying right in front of us, we were told we couldn't do it because the pipe fitters would file a grievance. So we stood there for 3 1/2 hours waiting for one. Getting paid of course. So J&L ate the cost of labor because some pipe fitter was dragging his ass.

The steel industry is a long way from your house IQM. You haven't a clue. The former steel workers know exactly why the mills closed.

January 20, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse: Naw man, I have no feelings.

January 20, 2014 at 11:20 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

The proof lies before your eyes toes: look at the states where the laws are passed, the political party that pushes the laws and the national organizations who are spending money promulgating the laws in the name of "public welfare." give us a break.

But let's be clear, being a red is not a prima facia case for being dishonorable or ignorant. There are some very honorable people in the GOP (some of my best friends, ha, ha). I can point to any number of reds who offer cogent arguments for conservative positions, David Brooks, for example. Unfortunately they tend to be ostracized and pilloried by the more conservative, reactionary elements of the red party.

And yes PT, I glad you agree with me.

January 20, 2014 at 11:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Iqm: Pretty sure I don't agree.

January 20, 2014 at 11:29 a.m.

David Brooks!LOL My gosh that guy is NO conservative. He's the liberal media's anointed conservative representative. He's acceptable to go on liberal talk shows because he won't ruffle any liberal feathers.

Funny how you liberals call strong conservatives reactionaries and extremists while you have no problem having your party be as far left as it can be. You have a president who openly states that he will go around the legislative process, picks and chooses what parts of laws to enforce, and gets all hot and bothered when he receives any criticism. Democrats go out of their to call for opposing voices to be silenced.

January 20, 2014 at 11:31 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQM: I prefer my liberal dose of cogent arguments from, oh say, Ed Schultz. He one of your boys?

January 20, 2014 at 11:42 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The New York Times hiring a conservative? ROFLMAO!!

January 20, 2014 at 11:43 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I figured you as a Maddow kind of guy PT. lol!

January 20, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Toes, My real fave is Lawrence O'Donnell. 😄 ☭

January 20, 2014 at 12:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

How could I forget 'ol larry?? He's the real deal.

January 20, 2014 at 12:26 p.m.
degage said...

Toes and PT, notice jjmez and IQM haven't shown their proof for their remarks! I guess they can't .

January 20, 2014 at 12:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

From the guy liberals love to hate

"We're not supposed to judge the welfare state on its failure. We're not supposed to look at the 40-plus- year War on Poverty, 50 now, for example. The LBJ Great Society at large. We're not supposed to look at 50 years of that and catalog the failure. No, no, no. We're supposed to count on the good intentions of the people responsible, because they're good people. At least they're trying. These Republicans are just a bunch of meanies that don't care."

LOL!!

January 20, 2014 at 1:10 p.m.

Rachel Maddow is the only man on that network.

January 20, 2014 at 1:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

zablee: prepare for incoming.

January 20, 2014 at 1:28 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo preparing tonight's manifesto perhaps.

January 20, 2014 at 1:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo applying Bondo about now.

January 20, 2014 at 1:47 p.m.

PT, I'm ready. Also, Obama said that if he had a son, I guess the one that he said would look like Trayvon Martin, he wouldn't let him play football. After those comments I heard that some prominent sportswriter apologized for glorifying football over the years, glorifying a sport that "maims" people.

And so the chickafication or the pussification of America goes on.

January 20, 2014 at 2 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Those big ol' football animals are sooo mean.

January 20, 2014 at 2:05 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes 02800 wrote: "Alpo claims to live in the "real world". Such a joke."

The joke is on you, for I do live in the real world. I do not hang my hat on impossibilities.

"Such narcissism isn't healthy for you."

You apparently cannot define that word either.

"You know more of this and you know more of that blah blah blah."

Well Sir, as is always the case, you are free as a bird to disprove anything I offer as fact.

"There's more white folks I don't like than black ones. But real numbers are meaningless, only percentages matter, right?"

You're using my words. Thank you.

"Are you sure the people you run with really like you? Or do they just...tolerate your holier-than-thou attitude?"

I'm a much more pleasant person, in person. In here, it seems we all attempt to best ourselves against our opponents. It's the nature of the game when one is online.

And you Sir, are just as guilty of it as I am.

January 20, 2014 at 2:20 p.m.
tjohnson said...

ok

January 20, 2014 at 2:30 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Once again, Blah blah blah........

January 20, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

zbldeedo - Thank you for proving the point, a historical Republican conservative is now branded liberal by a tea party-type. You are free to do it, but don't deny what you are doing is moving (or trying to move) the GOP a mile or so to the right, if not into a neighboring universe, from where it usually sits. I hope you are successful, let me know what I can do to help...weird to watch folks commit political hari-kari.

January 20, 2014 at 2:50 p.m.

We have a dick and a coward in the White House. At this point, after being elected twice, handily, he can actually blame racism for his low poll numbers and his lack of popularity? That's what he said in the magazine interview. What a cowardly, narcissistic, and low class jackass. Could it possibly be that he's doing a crappy job, and people have this uncomfortable feeling when they're lied to?

That says everything you need to know about the media creation that is Obama.

January 20, 2014 at 2:53 p.m.

inquiringmind, you don't get to decide what makes up a conservative. Liberals in the media have decided what a conservative is. Reagan was a conservative. The GOP is rudderless. They don't know who they are. They're too interested in pleasing the media. The tea party, which is not a party at all...are simply composed of peopl who want less intrusive government, lower taxes, accountability for our tax dollars, an end to crony capitalism, freedom of choice, respect for the Constitution and term limits..and a bunch more stuff. You can call them conservative if you want. What you don't understand is that there's barely a dimes worth of difference between the two parties. We have a person in the White House that is only for himself, and is only concerned with advancing his party.

January 20, 2014 at 3:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

limric said...

You haven’t addressed the question of why, if Republican ideology is superior, they shy away from increased participation?

I reject your implied premise that the Republicans are trying to suppress participation. However children almost always select dessert over their healthier vegetables. That is why as people mature they see the value in a more intelligent selection. Thus you have Fleabaggers praying to a God they don’t believe in to cleans the Earth of these party-pooping seasoned citizens.

Free marketers unable compete in the marketplace of ideas?

In state and local offices, the people's House, and soon the Senate they seem to be doing quite well thank you.

But ok. Be that as it may. Aren’t GOP efforts to ‘decrease’ voter participation in a democracy the antithesis of our form of governance which ”Derives its powers from the consent of the governed”?

Odd that Fleabaggers fight so hard against any efforts to secure the voting process thus potentially leaving it vulnerable to manipulation by those wishing to canceling out the legitimate votes of citizens. There always has to be a motive .... Right?

January 20, 2014 at 3:21 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

go for it zablededo

January 20, 2014 at 3:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

GaussianInteger said...

Well, remember the last election's motto from the GOP:

"We know our guy is crappy, just not as crappy as the one in office."

I’ll have to agree that they should have not been so bluntly truthful. It did help produce the worst possible outcome .. did it not?

And limric, look at what a few lawmakers from our state are wanting. They want to take away the people electing US senators and leave it up to the state legislature.

There is nothing inherently undemocratic or unconstitutional about such a move. In fact isn’t that the basis of our “Representative Democracy” in that the Senate is the chamber to represent the wishes of their respective state governments and the House the wishes of the people. However I must admit that I do wish to vote personally for our senators ... It’s just one of my selfish vices.

January 20, 2014 at 3:45 p.m.
conservative said...

This explains some of his bizarre thinking:

“As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life,”

If you immediately thought of Owebama, you would be correct.

Did he leave himself wiggle room pertaining to his current use?

January 20, 2014 at 4:01 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

toes said "Google "Weirton Steel" yd and see for yourself what an out of control union does. They weren't happy with $40 an hour for 40 hour work week. The union there got everything they wanted. Then reality hit when they could no longer compete with foreign steel makers."

Weirton did not fail because employees were making $40 per hour. Where did you get that figure?

In 1979, the average wage was about $16 per hour.

http://www.wvpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SWWV2013.pdf

Your link shows the $16/hr rate was stated in 1979 dollars which would relate to to over $51/hr. in 2013 dollars. So yes they were receiving a very high wage for semi skilled labor.

January 20, 2014 at 4:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

As usual, although this board is about voting rights, again folks have made an effort to highjack it for unrelated polemical, gyrations about their personal heartburn.

Oh the irony !!

January 20, 2014 at 4:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

Lyndon Johnson upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 said it would destroy the Democratic party in the South. History proved him correct, all the segregationists/racists ran to the GOP hence the majority of the writers on this page. A wag once said, "Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it."

He also said:

“These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” - Lyndon Johnson

"I'll have them N@^$%^ voting Democratic for the next two hundred years." - Lyndon Johnson

Looks like it’s less civil rights and more “horse trading”... Right?

January 20, 2014 at 4:25 p.m.
yddem said...

junk trash said "Your link shows the $16/hr rate was stated in 1979 dollars which would relate to to over $51/hr. in 2013 dollars."

You damn right it did, because that's when they were being paid.

Let me explain so perhaps even you can understand. The workers were working in the year 1979. They were being paid about $16 per hour. They were being paid that amount in 1979. That's why I linked to the rate in 1979. Got it?

January 20, 2014 at 4:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Toes02800 wrote: "Once again, Blah blah blah........"

That's about all you can say when the truth and facts stand in the way of you being allowed to make an ill conceived point.

January 20, 2014 at 4:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hard to imagine Willard being crappier than the crappy poser in office now.

January 20, 2014 at 4:37 p.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "We have a dick and a coward in the White House."

Oh my...don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLT feel about the man.

"At this point, after being elected twice, handily, he can actually blame racism for his low poll numbers and his lack of popularity?"

Yep, and he's 100% correct too.

"That's what he said in the magazine interview."

Imagine that.

"What a cowardly, narcissistic, and low class jackass."

I wonder...what do you think people think of you when they read such comments coming from you? Do you even care?

"Could it possibly be that he's doing a crappy job, and people have this uncomfortable feeling when they're lied to?"

What lie?

"That says everything you need to know about the media creation that is Obama."

Well...he's gonna be the man in charge for three more years. I suppose you're going to beotch about your President every single day for the next three years.

You're the poster child of all the negative Nancy's.

January 20, 2014 at 4:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Curious, Alpo. The Redeemer gets 98.4% approval from the black community. And he speaks of racism?

January 20, 2014 at 4:48 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Curious, Alpo. The Redeemer gets 98.4% approval from the black community. And he speaks of racism?"

I'm failing to understand what point you are attempting to make.

Racism is the incorrect term. Bigotry is far more rampant among white people whose main objection is that there is a black man in charge of this nation.

The bigots are the whites who find fault with the very sight of the President. It is strictly my opinion, but people who cannot bring themselves to recognize or who refuse to find anything positive to say about the President are blatant bigots.

White men have run this nation for all but the last five. That pisses some people off and they fear that the loss of control by white men is going to be the downfall of this entire nation.

People can mask their bigotry by claiming that they are opposed to the President's policies all day long, but I find it very interesting when the most vocal against his policies cannot name one single policy that they have an issue with.

Again...strictly my opinion, but most Obama bashers, yourself included, are blatant bigots, afraid to stand up and declare their bigotry with pride.

January 20, 2014 at 5:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You're amazing Alpo. Calling people bigots with no evidence. To the point, (I know you're slow) If BHO has 98% approval from blacks, racism clearly prevails on their part..

January 20, 2014 at 5:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...were you warned about posting on the TFP opinion forum following being heavily sedated, possible multiple times? Don't worry, it will eventually wear off and the brain fog clear.

January 20, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "You're amazing Alpo. Calling people bigots with no evidence."

No evidence? That's deep. Your daily posts are all the evidence one needs to arrive at an opinion, which is EXACTLY what I called it.

Hey...you have your opinion of the President and I have mine of yourself. That's fair isn't it?

"To the point, (I know you're slow) If BHO has 98% approval from blacks, racism clearly prevails on their part.."

Only you could type that with a straight face.

January 20, 2014 at 5:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Face very straight. If Willard had received 98% of white votes, you would be the first one screaming the R word.

January 20, 2014 at 6:11 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

junk trash said "Your link shows the $16/hr rate was stated in 1979 dollars which would relate to to over $51/hr. in 2013 dollars."

You damn right it did, because that's when they were being paid.

Let me explain so perhaps even you can understand. The workers were working in the year 1979. They were being paid about $16 per hour. They were being paid that amount in 1979. That's why I linked to the rate in 1979. Got it?

So you like to compare apples and oranges? If you’re going to debate this issue with any honesty and integrity you must remain in context. I took the other posters claim of $40/hr. to be in a contemporary 2013 context ... sorry you're too dense to do so as well. The reason I did so was it was not possible for the general steelworker to make, in 1979, the equivalent of $128/hr in 2013 dollars. Try analyzing the data you are exposed to and not just use your head only as a hat rack.

BTW ... Do you feel that paying someone in 1979 the equivalent of $51/hr, in 2013 dollars, for semi-skilled labor is a sustainable business decision. The union asked for it the company paid it and they both took it in the a^^ for their short-sightedness and stupidity.

January 20, 2014 at 6:16 p.m.
rick1 said...

Do Democrats and liberals not agree with Dr. Ben Carson because they are racist?

January 20, 2014 at 6:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

junk trash

Really YouDumdassDem?

Oh no !! I’ve done it now since you have made threats against those making fun of you screen name. Are you going to go all rogue on us bad boy?

January 20, 2014 at 6:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jt, you'd be hot too if your name was Yaackov.

January 20, 2014 at 6:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"

I wonder if alpo would suggest that to be a racist statement.

January 20, 2014 at 6:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. Oh, I'm not joking."

Not racist at all, right alpo?

January 20, 2014 at 6:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

People can mask their bigotry by claiming that they are opposed to the President's policies all day long, but I find it very interesting when the most vocal against his policies cannot name one single policy that they have an issue with.

That is too stupid for even you to have posted ... well on second thought maybe not

Again...strictly my opinion, but most Obama bashers, yourself included, are blatant bigots, afraid to stand up and declare their bigotry with pride.

Well here is an equivalent opinion ... “Most if not all Fleabaggers, yourself included, are blatant un American and undemocratic Communists, afraid to stand up and declare your desire for a dictatorial Socialist utopia” ... and just as relevant.

January 20, 2014 at 6:41 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"A few years ago, (Barack Obama) would have been getting us coffee."--Bill Clinton

"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation." -- Former Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd (D.,Conn.)

“The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person…” -- Barack Obama

“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” -- Mary Frances Berry, former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

No racists here!

January 20, 2014 at 6:50 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

PT - No, stay on point.

Really ?!? ... Well not really that unbelievable ... Right?

January 20, 2014 at 7 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

Couldn't have said it better.

How would you respond to the other quotes by LBJ? Remain in a state of total denial I would assume.

January 20, 2014 at 7:02 p.m.
jesse said...

The human Id is hardwired to seek out those perceived to be inferior for any reason whether race,religion,ethnicity, politics or less gifted in some way and belittle them!It's built into every mammal on this planet! It's called "The Pecking Order" and you see it in action on this forum every day!Everybody needs someone to feel superior too so they can feed their ego w/ the B/S that somehow they are better than most!!

January 20, 2014 at 7:05 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jjmez said...

jan 19, 2014, time: 10:47 pm zabledoo said: "Black Americans who wander of the Democratic Plantation are ridiculed, threatened and become knows at uncle toms?

If that's the case, then white people who wander of the Republican plantation are threatened, ostracized and are accused of abandoning their race and their heritage.

If white people voted as a solid block and primarily for candidates and issues that benefited them the most then I would expect strict adherents to such a system would behave in that manner ... but they don’t ... do they?

btw-You need to seriously brush up on your history. It's apparent you don't know the true story behind Uncle Tom.

You may be right in that an Uncle Tom would have stayed loyal to the authority of the plantation.

January 20, 2014 at 7:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

rick, you know liberals can't be racists! They keep'em all down. It's like their recipe. They dice'em into groups, get'em separated, stir in some animosity, add a heaping dose of entitlements and whamo! Instant democrat voters!

January 20, 2014 at 7:07 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, my bad I forgot.

January 20, 2014 at 7:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

jesse said...

The human Id is hardwired to seek out those perceived to be inferior for any reason whether race,religion,ethnicity, politics or less gifted in some way and belittle them!It's built into every mammal on this planet! It's called "The Pecking Order" and you see it in action on this forum every day!Everybody needs someone to feel superior too so they can feed their ego w/ the B/S that somehow they are better than most!!

Who are you trying to impress? ...LMFAO !!

January 20, 2014 at 7:12 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

A must read. Even in 1949, they saw it coming.

1949 Poem - Ode To The Welfare State

http://rense.com/general95/ode.htm

January 20, 2014 at 7:30 p.m.
degage said...

Zablee, To be fair we should note the statement you quoted was followed by" there are also blacks and whites that vote for me because I'm black." That part takes the racism out of the first part. It is well known I am not a fan of Obama but I am a fair person and believe in telling it like it is. If you are going to quote something quote the whole.

January 20, 2014 at 7:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

"Such narcissism isn't healthy for you."

You apparently cannot define that word either.

It is possible that some don’t know the meaning but we are all well aware that your picture accompanies the dictionary entry.

January 20, 2014 at 7:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

toes said "Another reason why unions suck."'

Great to see you are looking out for the low-paid Black workers, toes.

It definitely appears you are saying they are incapable of looking out for themselves. I bet you believe white liberals are the best option for that task.

January 20, 2014 at 7:51 p.m.
Maximus said...

What U.S. President established M.L.K. day? You got it! The Great Communicator.....President Ronald Reagan! God bless him and God bless the U.S.A.

January 20, 2014 at 11:05 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama blames his plummeting poll numbers on racism.

Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that most people don't like Obamacare, or the fact that he lied to us over 28 times in three years. Or that 92 million people not working, or the stimulus was a failure, or that he end-runs the constitution at every turn, or that he never accepts responsibility for anything........NOPE!!! It's GOTTA be racism!! What a rotten piece of crap of a man.

January 20, 2014 at 11:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? Uh-oh seems that line has already been used. Has anyone seen Lerner's picture on a milk carton? Could be still be stuck in traffic on the bridge?

January 21, 2014 at 12:02 a.m.
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