published Thursday, June 5th, 2014

The truth about Fleischmann and other letters to the editors

The truth about Fleischmann

Recently (5/25/14), a letter appeared in the Times Free Press lauding Rep. Chuck Fleischmann for his efforts on behalf of veterans. Unfortunately, the full picture is not all that clear or laudable. For example, Fleischmann took the so-called "Taxpayer Protection Pledge," meaning that if a choice is to be made between caring for veterans and raising taxes, the veterans will remain uncared for, their needs unmet. Additionally, Fleischmann voted for the Republican Study Committee amendment to the 2013 Ryan budget. This reduced Medicare and Social Security benefits to zero beginning in 2024 for everyone under 70. In other words, a person who is 59 right now, who anticipates retirement in a few years, would have to delay that retirement until age 70, regardless of physical hardships. Fortunately, despite Fleischmann's support, this amendment failed. Further, if Fleischmann had his way, Medicare would be a voucher program. We would all eventually be left to negotiate our health care financing individually with insurance companies. Caring for both our veterans and our seniors, many of whom are also veterans, must be a priority. Budgets reflect values. Sadly, Fleischmann's budget votes reflect his support of extreme austerity over health care, seniors and veterans.

JANICE FIGEL, Athens, Tenn.

Smiling couples: a personal view

While the Times Free Press publishes images of smiling gay couples in tuxes, I live in a different picture. In my personal experiences, the gay man spits "homophobe" in my face. He pokes me in my belly button while I wait to go onstage at a local church theater. He puts his hand on my lower back like I'm his girlfriend at a church singles retreat in Gatlinburg. He runs his finger down my spine in the stockroom of the Salvation Army store. He sits behind me at the movies and murmurs, "I'm your secret lover." He lounges at a burger place and tells his partner in tones to be overheard how I am obviously gay. He fondles my arm and pinches it like ripe fruit at a tea party meeting. Meanwhile, I search for a wife. I seek a church where the elders don't give me massages, where a man in a coconut bra doesn't win the singles costume party and where the pastor doesn't pronounce sodomy holy. And I hope for journalists who look beyond poses in photographs.


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Dr. Hale,

Thanks for the letter. It has made my morning lighter and brighter to read of your travails at being such an obviously attractive man that gay men can't keep there eyes, hands, and whispers from your body and mind.

There must be a "je ne sais quois" about you that reminds me of the "walk like a duck, talk like a duck" saying.

Good luck with your search for a wife. Many fundamental churches keep a supply of older, matronly women just ready for a husband/son to dominate in their dungeon of chastity and buggy-whip godly love. Make sure these saints have strong arms, stout rope, and ping-pong paddles.

Better luck next time winning the costume party. Unfortunately those coconut bras are a real crowd-pleaser and bras from Victoria's Secret don't have the same laugh factor. So go native next time.

Where are the elders giving massages? Is it open to the public or only the saved? Are they deep tissue massages or happy rapture endings? Is this for free through acts of grace or will I be expect to leave a love offering?

Did the pastor say, "I now pronounce Sodomy Holy" like in a wedding? What church was this?

So thanks for my morning laughs. I feel better about the world just knowing you're in it.

June 5, 2014 at 10:10 a.m.
timbo said...

Where do you go to church? Sounds like a reality show waiting to happen.

June 5, 2014 at 11:16 a.m.


Well said. Unfortunately the homophobic bigots, creationists, holy-rolling snake-handlers, and anti-science christian fundamentalists are everywhere.

What's worse is that many of them in private don't hold to that religious quackery. But in public, where someone might see them or hear them, they spout the same idiocy as their preachers and elders, Mike Huckabee and Fox News, and Southern Baptists and Pentecostals.

They're worse than the True Believers for not calling BS, for lacking the spine to stand up for right, and allowing sanctimonious simpletons to control their lives. They are the cowards. They are the ones to watch out for. Anytime someone tells you what a good christian they are, watch your hat and coat, keep your daughters away, and hold onto your billfold.

There are a few fundamentalists who try to love their neighbor, do good for goodness sake, and practice "Do onto others", but their numbers are so small that they could meet in a Riverbend porta-potty with space to spare.

Welcome to the world of Christian Fundy-NutZ in Chattanooga.

June 5, 2014 at 5:18 p.m.

Lesbian Suicide is at least 4 (four) times the rate of heterosexual females. Lesbian 'suicide attempts'=22% (twenty-two) compared to 4% (four) heterosexual.

HIV IS a horrible disease for women in the United States and around the world. It's also the leading cause of death for African-American women between the ages of 25 and 34. (The American Foundation for AIDS Research.) (You decide how many of these women are lesbians). Even 'one' lesbian death is too many! Women! Your partner may often be around HIV/AIDS infected men. You do not know if she is a PLEASURE-SEXUAL, or, a true Homosexual. If, in a weak moment she has relations with an infected man, then, she will likely infect You also. I do, genuinely care.......kwo

June 6, 2014 at 8:05 a.m.

And Women! Listen Up! Lesbians-Be advised that in the state of Tennessee Women make up approximately 24% of AIDS Diagnosis. Oh, no, certainly none of these are lesbians. More info upcoming! (23.7 actual percentage). Birth Control pills, Morning After pills, Slaughter House Abortions so You can party at Da' Club ain't no powerful liberal statement you're making. It's no great surprise or wonder. There are an estimated (low) 60,000 Women [U.S.A.] who act? in hard-core pornography videos. These numbers sky rocket when we only talk about lewd still photographs. Now, prostitution, tricky escort services, etc. Don't even try to estimate this astronomical number of Women who agree to be objects.

Malleus Deus

June 6, 2014 at 8:06 a.m.

HIV/AIDS is skyrocketing among females. Of Course, none of them are lesbians +(:> Wink-Wink! Even sparsely populated neighbor Canada now reports, through a source probably more reliable than the Center for Disease Control [CDC]:

"In recent years around a quarter of new adult HIV diagnoses HAVE BEEN AMONG WOMEN. Half of all positive DIAGNOSIS IN FEMALES were in young people aged under 20 years old. Although most exposure to HIV was from heterosexual sex, injecting drug use accounted for over 19% of infections IN WOMEN in 2009." AIDS statistics. Oh yeah! Sure, sure, ABSOLUTELY NONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN LESBIANS, OH NO, NEVER! NOPE, NO LESBIANS...but read on about the following CDC report, *'which includes lesbians'.

Malleus Deus

June 6, 2014 at 8:07 a.m.

The Center For Disease Control (CDC) Reports

In a 1992 report, a total of 18,199 women with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) from the period 1980–1991 were examined; 164 of these women provided a history of female-to-female sexual contact. Of the 164, a total of 152 (93%) provided an additional history of IDU, and 12 (7%) had received blood before 1985 (9). In a 1994 report, of 1,122 women found to be HIV-positive, 65 (5.8%) had a history of female-to-female sexual contact. Of the 65, a total of 55 (85%) also had a history of sexual contact with men; 28 of the women with a history of sexual contact with both men and women also reported IDU. Of the 10 remaining women with exclusive female-to-female sexual contact, eight reported IDU, one had received a blood transfusion, and one was reported as having no other identified risk behavior (10).

Malleus Deus... says, Women Having Sex With Women Are Having Homosexual Sex, oh, They Are Not Lesbians? Oh! +(:>

June 6, 2014 at 8:08 a.m.

So, 24% are women (CDC) just using Tennessee as an example. Now 1 in 5 [maybe 1 in 4] Women infected with HIV/AIDS don't even know they carry the infection. How many of these are lesbians? Put the statistical analysis into action. Even with the fact that Women still want to be perceived as 'pure' and would never disclose, the number is tremendous. Put Your head into the sand if You like. But, please do some true research before You call anyone a liar about facts of which You have not even been apprised.

Malleus Deus

June 6, 2014 at 8:09 a.m.

Many other STDs such as herpes are just as common for lesbians as for women who have sex with men. Genital warts are painless bumps on the vulva, in the vagina, on the cervix or round the anus. They can be passed through contact with the wart, for example by touching, rubbing or sharing sex toys. It is unlikely non-genital warts, such as on hands, can be transferred to the genitals.Trichomonas vaginalis (TV) gives a frothy, itchy vaginal discharge and is passed on by contact with the vagina only, for example by touching or sharing sex toys.Herpes can cause painful sores on the inside of the vulva/vagina or anus (these are genital herpes) or on the mouth (cold sores). Herpes can be passed on through contact with a sore, for example by touching, fondling or sharing sex toys. Oral sex when a cold sore is present can also transmit the virus. It can be possible to have the herpes virus, be infectious and yet never have had any symptoms. An American study found that the majority of women who have sex with women, who are infected with herpes, are unaware of their infection. Chlamydia and gonorrhea are rare in lesbians but if they are present may be passed on through sharing sex toys or rubbing vulvas together. Often there are no symptoms, though there may be a discharge. The first sign of both infections may be pain in the pelvic region (pelvic inflammatory disease or PID). There is a risk of infertility for women who have had untreated chlamydia. Read more about chlamydia and gonorrhea.Syphilis is very infectious among lesbians and close skin contact during sex can pass it on. Syphilis causes painless ulcers to appear where the bacteria entered the body. A chancre on the vagina can be almost unnoticeable.Hepatitis*** refers to viral infections that cause inflammation of the liver. Certain forms of hepatitis can easily be passed on in sex - for example by touching or sharing sex toys. There are often no symptoms, though it can cause jaundice or nausea. Read more about hepatitis. It is vital you seek help as soon as you notice any symptoms and that you do not have sexual contact that could pass on any infection until it has been dealt with.Bacterial and fungalinfections.Both men and women can develop bacterial and fungal infections, such as thrush or bacterial vaginosis. The symptoms of these infections are similar to those of an STD/STI. However, although these bacterial and fungal infections can be passed during sex, they can also occur naturally, so are not classed as sexually transmitted diseases/ infections.Thrush is an overgrowth of yeast causing vaginal itching and soreness, often with a white discharge. It can be passed via sex between women, though oral sex is low risk.Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is an overgrowth of vaginal bacteria causing a smelly discharge. Some PARASITES can be transmitted by either close or sexual contact in lesbians.

June 6, 2014 at 8:12 a.m.

The great news about the posts of Mr. Orr is that they reek with his brand of Christian fundamentalism, an anti-humanity type of nonsense driven by his own delusions of being a mouthpiece for his useless and powerless god.

Go back into the archives and read his posts. He is a homophobic crackpot, an anti-science and anti-intellectual zealot, is ignorant of basic scientific knowledge, his understanding of medicine and disease is practically zero, and he exhibits the type of behavior that makes him an excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

He quotes bible verses because he is unable to offer evidence in his own words, he cites divine authority and retribution because he is impotent in his own life, and, like many others in the religious fundamental field, seeks to place his own moral failings and shortcomings on the lives of others.

Like other rabid christian fundys, he is tainted by a grandiose belief in his ability to speak for his divinity, to make proclamations on behalf of that divinity, and thrills to fight his paper tigers in hopes of martyrdom.

In his latest homophobic rant under the guise of "medical advice" he states that, "Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is an overgrowth of vaginal bacteria causing a smelly discharge."

But here Mr. Orr's posts provide a smelly discharge like an open latrine in August. Most people would cover up the trench to stop the smell and protect against disease. Mr. Orr proudly wears his stench in hopes of spreading his diseased mentality.

June 6, 2014 at 9:44 a.m.

We are not warring against a political figure in Hamilton County. We are fighting against a dying breed, the homosexual community who has spread/is spreading communicable diseases. And this to such an extent that there are many more locations for the HIV/AIDS-Opportunistic Disease-ridden homosexual population other than Hospice. Hamilton County has many locations of those homosexual individuals who have been forced to divest themselves of money and other assets of value to be able to go onto the roles of public welfare. Now, we, the innocent taxpayers have to pay for their food, shelter, clothing, transportation, HIV/AIDS-Opportunistic Contagious diseases medical treatment, wheelchairs,housing,cash, Counseling, etc., etc., etc. This through Medicaid, etc. Our national budget includes Twenty-Billion Dollars to take care of those who chose a dangerous homosexual lifestyle which is against the will of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. There are many group homes in Hamilton County housing homosexuals with HIV/AIDS Why should we not be angry when a political figure (All of the current Democratic Presidential Administration)forces these unGodly taxes onto we, the people who do not choose a homosexual lifestyle?

Malleus Deus

June 6, 2014 at 11:05 a.m.
timbo said...

Wow, nuts of all kinds are falling from the trees today.

June 6, 2014 at 11:32 a.m.

Mr. Orr, your christian compassion is non-existant, your gods are powerless, and your Jesus, if ever he existed, was just a man and is long dead.

But you finally have admitted the real truth. You state, "We are fighting against a dying breed, the homosexual community."

That's evident from your homophobic raves. I'm sure you would have approved the distribution of small-pox infected blankets to those heathen Native Americans, slaughter of those Jesus-denying Jews in concentration camps, and syphilis experiments on Afro-Americans in Tuskegee as they were the descendants of Ham.

Using that literal bible of yours only brings out the Jehovah-driven qualities of racial superiority, deceit, vengeance, rape, slavery, and genocide on what you, in your closed fundamentalist mind, believe your despicable god demands of his crazed fanatics.

For a religion that was supposed to be based on love and compassion, you revel in the blood and guts of humanity.

Thanks for pulling back the curtain and showing that your type of Christianity and gods are as foul as the rotting corpse of the dead horse you continually beat.

June 6, 2014 at 11:45 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"So, 24% are women (CDC) just using Tennessee as an example. Now 1 in 5 [maybe 1 in 4] Women infected with HIV/AIDS don't even know they carry the infection. How many of these are lesbians?"

Uhhhh, how about 0.00012% you effing idiot? If I didn't know any better, I would be expecting Ashton Kutcher to message me telling me that I've been punked. Lesbians spreading AIDS? Only in your kookoo world, the one where you actually believe that you are the only sexual partner you're wife has had in her life.

June 6, 2014 at 10:58 p.m.


I know a statistician at UTC who will assist You with statistics for no charge, especially on this subject. But, please tell me You don't really believe the percentage You posted. The actual answer is approximately Six [6] Percent had homosexual (lesbian) sex and are now HIV positive. RUSSIAN ROULETTE, ANYONE?

Truly, I am Your Friend...Ken ORR

June 6, 2014 at 11:29 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

What's his name? I have a Math degree from UTC so I'm pretty familiar with the entire dept. I also like what you tried to do here, with this quote:

"The actual answer is approximately Six [6] Percent had homosexual (lesbian) sex and are now HIV positive."

Where in that stat does it say "how many of the woman with HIV are lesbian"? Nowhere you disingenuous fool. It said the had lesbian sex. Plenty of non-lesbian women "experiment" with other women. Doesn't mean they are lesbians. Ask your wife, I bet she "experimented" with another woman when she was young and promiscuous.

And I don't befriend bold-faced liars or hypocrites.

June 7, 2014 at 12:06 a.m.

GaussianInteger '

I know Your type. You don't bother me. I forgive You. I do want You to be able to say, "I've got salvation through The Lord Jesus Christ". Remember the old saying, 'Figures don't lie, but, liars figure'? In this case 'figures' means mathematical/statistical calculations. I do totally value Your presented truth regarding a lesbian and those who just like the 'pleasure' of certain sexual feelings. Anything else You want to 'prove' with statistics?

Oh, by-the-way, his last name begins with W and ends with N. There is only one.

Malleus Deus

June 7, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.
conservative said...

"Plenty of non-lesbian women "experiment" with other women. Doesn't mean they are lesbians."


Part time homosexual sex doesn't mean you are a Homosexual.

Part time bank robbery doesn't mean you are a bank robber.

Part time rapist doesn't mean you are a rapist.

If you can get a Liberal to talk or write he will eventually hang himself.

June 7, 2014 at noon

I forgive my Wife for anything at all that she may have ever said, thought, or, done. Really, that is between her and Jesus Christ. I love her with all of my heart and will always forgive her, even 490 times a day for the same misgiving. +(:> I don't just love my Wife of 39 years...I am 'in love' with her!

Peace! Malleus Deus

June 7, 2014 at 12:02 p.m.

conservative said...

"Part time bank robbery doesn't mean you are a bank robber."

Certainly no one could accuse you and Orr of being part-time Fundy-NutZ, part-time loons, or part-time ignorant.

Congratulations! Your idiocy is all part of God's will.

June 7, 2014 at 12:12 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Orr, only two professors with a last name beginning with a W in the Math Dept. Dr. Walters, who is not a "statistician" and Dr. Wang who is also not a "statistician". Besides, I have a BS in Applied Math from UTC and a MS in Actuarial Sciences from Ball State, I don't think I need much help when it comes to statistics.

June 7, 2014 at 4:41 p.m.


My bad...You are correct; not statistician, 'think psychological statistics professor'. My Bachelor of Science is psychology, with English minor.


June 7, 2014 at 5:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're just talking sh!t, Ken Dumbass.

June 7, 2014 at 6:36 p.m.

Say 'Workman'. I personally believe he was/is one of the greatest minds of psychology and statistics. I did study at four psychology departments in four different universities. Please forgive me on this one if he was in Iowa, Georgia, or, South Carolina. I strongly believe it was UTC, Chattanooga. My graduation date, UTC, 1981. That's a few years back to remember. Hi Easy, if You are truly Easy! I was given some info that You were in Hospice, or, somewhere in terminal treatment. I Love You Easy123 with the agape Love of Jesus Christ. I do pray for Your salvation, if You are not already saved.

Peace! Malleus Deus

June 7, 2014 at 11:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You were given some very wrong information, Ken Dumbass.

You're a very creepy, weird, ignorant closet homosexual. Seek help, Broken Orr.

June 7, 2014 at 11:59 p.m.
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