published Friday, June 13th, 2014

Iraq

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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MasterBlaster said...

Perhaps we should enlist America's finest "team of stooges", GWB, Cheney, Rummy, & Rice, to go back there and set those Arabs straight...

June 13, 2014 at 12:38 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Naw, Blaster. Leave it to Barry. He's proven to have a deft touch with foreign policy.

June 13, 2014 at 12:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

The Taliban is not one of the tribes depicted. However, if they take Bagdad and have their own country all the tribes in Iraq will obey Sharia law and do as they are told. Will they be a threat to America? Attacks like 9/11 and more.

June 13, 2014 at 2:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

With all the attacks on FOX news I have now watched it for over two weeks. Can someone that also watched it tell me one time the FOX news journalist have lied as they are accused of often by those in this forum that supports Obama and anything he does?

I didn't agree with some opinions and some of the guest analysis and conclusions but I haven't seen anything that was obviously dishonest. I am not inclined to become a regular FOX viewer.

June 13, 2014 at 2:20 a.m.
wallyworld said...

You republicans really need to study history and listen to real news before getting on here and making a fool of yourselves. History lesson 101 ~ The decision to leave Iraq by that date was not actually taken by President Obama — it was taken by President George W. Bush, and by the Iraqi government. In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012

June 13, 2014 at 5:14 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Also, if you do some fact checking, you'll see President Obama, then Senator Obama, voted against this illegal, immoral strike on Iraq. Cowboys Bush/Cheney wanted to show the world what murderous bastards they were/are without a shred of evidence to back them up ~ that's why we couldn't get any cooperation from other sensible countries.

June 13, 2014 at 5:33 a.m.
wallyworld said...

Re: Fox If you look at politics, it’s basically like that picture of the iceberg, where you can see the top little bit of it, and then the ocean level, and then everything underneath it. The conservatives after the Goldwater election, Goldwater defeat, built a network of think tanks, the Federalist Society, CATO, AEI, the Heritage Foundation, those in combination with the Chamber of Commerce, the Koch brothers , Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdock ,aka Fox News(sic)… this whole infrastructure is the problem. And the public needs to address that infrastructure problem before it completely destroys our country.

June 13, 2014 at 6:25 a.m.
caddy said...

Progressives can fix all that ! NSA, Drones, Progressing to Polyamory, no such thing as borders, no such thing as truth & honor. Anarchy has become us. Progressives have no problem with wars too. No problem with trading defectors for five times the terror. GOP may be war mongers, but progressives have perfected their own love of war, their own love of escalating the decay from within. They lost their hatred of government, something they seemed to have in spades up until the 70s. This country is unrecognizable from 30 + years ago. Freedumb !

June 13, 2014 at 6:46 a.m.

Yeah, this cartoon ignores the Taliban, or some mix of that and Al Qada. Fairmon, I watched a few networks lately, and I don't see why FOX deserves to be attacked.

Oh, Wally, that's all so sinister and corrupt now isnt' it. Again with the Koch Brothers. You libs bring up Roger Ailes, Murdock, Fox, the Heritage Foundation as if you expect everyone to hide under their beds when you do. As if anybody gives a damn. But Soros, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, PBS and a ton of other groups are all ok, huh. So, in other words left leaning groups and organizations are all ok. FOX is not a conservative Network. They simply do a better job of covering a story than the others.

June 13, 2014 at 6:49 a.m.

Just because conservatives are given a voice on FOX, doesn't mean it's not doing a good job of covering stories. I know you libs are used to having your networks shut out conservatives.

The war with Islamofascists will never end. They won't stop until everyone believes.

June 13, 2014 at 7 a.m.
fairmon said...

wallyw said....a network of think tanks, the Federalist Society, CATO, AEI, the Heritage Foundation, those in combination with the Chamber of Commerce, the Koch brothers , Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdock ,aka Fox News(sic)… this whole infrastructure is the problem. And the public needs to address that infrastructure problem before it completely destroys our country.

So, you think a group of idiots voting that don't know who the VP or other key people are know better than those very intelligent people in the groups listed, which are not all one party? Is it possible their solutions are better than a bunch of lawyers in congress and an inexperienced economics ignorant community organizer as POTUS?

Your view of what will destroy the country is ludicrous.

It is amazing how people want to immigrate to America then support a government that controls everything and therefore change America to be like the country from which they fled. It is amazing how so many Americans fear having to make their own decisions and want to use the government to dictate to everyone what they support. To many progressives bipartisan means the dissenters need to agree with them. Do you really trust Valerie Jarrett and Harry Reid?

June 13, 2014 at 7:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

Under 2000 Taliban capture a city of 2 million as the Iraq troops flee. Iran is helping Iraq while the U.S. contemplates what to do.

June 13, 2014 at 7:20 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Even before the time of Alexander the Great this area has been dominated by religious and ethnic diversity, internal conflict and external struggle between Greece, Turkey and Persia/Iran, never really being a consolidated single "nation" save the Rome, Alexander and Ottoman empires. do these three empires still exist? (I am intentionally not going even further back in ancient history to the Seleucids, Crusades and Israel/Judea/Palestine time). After WWI Europe entered the fray as the Ottoman Empire was carved up. Then the USSR and the USA entered the mix.

The cartoon does not ignore the "Taliban," z-buster. The current situation is simply a manifestation of an age-old religious and political conundrum. We delude ourselves to think we can fix it and only invite hostility and terrorism as we seek to impose our own will on them.

I could also add, this is a evil consequence of (an illegal) war. In other words, we are reaping what we sowed when we first chose to ignore a historical reality. An old saying comes to mind, once you take all the worms out of a can, it takes a bigger can to put them all back in.

For all you Reds, this situation is another example of mob rule. In spite of clear US Constitutional requirement for a formal declaration of war before engaging in conflict, everybody went along with Bush's crime and lies (weapons of mass destruction) in the panic of the moment. Experience teaches a wise man to avoid his past mistakes and makes a fool out of those who ignore it.

peace be with you

June 13, 2014 at 7:55 a.m.
caddy said...

Well said, Inquiringmind.

June 13, 2014 at 8:32 a.m.
timbo said...

The problem is that we have had 2 dumbass presidents in a row. Bush was dumb to invade Iraq for any reason. Saddam was in charge and the country was pretty stable. I said then, and say now, this was stupid.

After we went in and "broke it," we are responsible to leave Iraq as stable as possible to avoid a future problem.

That is where dumbass no. 2, Obama, comes in. We should have left a residual force in Iraq for an extended period of time like we did in WWII and Korea. This would have stabilized the situation and given us a little control.

Now, here we are, a couple of trillion poorer, 4000 dead soldiers, and thousands wounded with absolutely nothing to show for it.

There has never been a time in our history that has been managed worse in every way than the last 14 years. Republican or democrat, it doesn't matter, it is just management 101.

Bush was bad, but Obama is worse. He has failed in every way and will set the democrat party back 20 years. You liberals should be clamoring to get rid of him because he is the best thing to ever happen to the Republicans politically. 2 more years of this?....then what?

June 13, 2014 at 9:34 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ: Illegal War? How about that Drone King Presidente of yours? That legal?

June 13, 2014 at 9:38 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Timbo makes good sense.

June 13, 2014 at 9:41 a.m.

inq, you don't control the dialogue, you libs are the "reds" meaning big gov. control freaks/Statist

Mr. Know-it-all, successor to Alprova...you're off. Bush's "crimes and lies" One one hand you libs blast Bush for being stupid, yet when it's convenient for you label him devious and clever. Congress, the Senate, the U.N..the world was convinced as well, and went ' along.

You're a pompous ass. You libs are the kings of forgetting the past, or learning nothing from it. You don't recognize a dictatorial type when you see one. You libs called for Bush to be impeached, killed and laughed about ways to assassinate him. BO is a rogue president, but it's fine with you because he's a lefty. Hypocrites.

"mob rule" that's we have here in this country under BO. He spits on the Constitution. "illegal war" LOL bull$hit and you know it. Yet, it's perfectly fine for BO to break the law regarding the release of 5 top terrorists, who are probably very eager now to join the terrorist army taking over in Iraq.

Right now the Taliban, with the help of Al Quada, is an army taking over Iraq. This crap has been going on since 500 a.d. long before we were around. To blame us for the Taliban is flat out stupid. I would have preferred that we not go in at all, but if we did we should stay for the long haul, instead of what we did. I guarantee you those people in Iraq would rather have us there than the Taliban.

This isn't simply about religion, it's about terrorists who want to take their religious war world wide and kill Americans.

June 13, 2014 at 9:43 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Clinton, the Obama administration’s first Secretary of State and a presumptive 2016 presidential candidate, admitted that she underestimated ISIS in an interview Thursday with NPR’s Terry Gross at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City. Hasn't been a good week for Pant Suit. With the polls, as with The Organizer, the numbers are dropping. The aging old dotty cannot stand up to a long campaign. Dodging that sniper fire has taken its toll.

June 13, 2014 at 9:46 a.m.
timbo said...

None of you get it..you can't re-fight 2003 or 2010... The situation is what it is today. Both liberals and conservatives using weak points to defend their guy, whether Bush or Obama, is useless. The situation is the situation. It was caused by both Presidents and both parties due to the idiots we put in office.

The situation now is that in less than a week, Al-qaeda will have a whole country, including it's oil, our military equipment, etc. for training Islamic terrorists. It will make Afghanistan and the Taliban look like kindergarten. I hate to say it but we either fight now, which will take minimum effort and treasure, or we fight latter when it will be on the scale of Iraq I and II.

I hate meddling in other countries but we made this mess and we have to make the best of it. Accusing one another and playing these children games of blame on this page will do absolutely nothing. There is enough blame to go around.

June 13, 2014 at 9:49 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Timbo. I usually agree with you, but not on this one. We need to STFO of Iraq. It's cost us enough already.

June 13, 2014 at 10:04 a.m.
timbo said...

TheJackDennis....You might be right...it is a hard call. I normally lean toward non-interference too. I don't know....

June 13, 2014 at 10:14 a.m.
Maximus said...

Like every good Rules For Radicals, Elinskyite.....Barry The Welfare Pimp Street Organizer and his hooligan radical leftist Democrat cronies are orchestrating a "stir up the base" plan of action focused on chaos positioning big government as the only answer. They are desperate about the mid terms where they are going to get a huge butt kicking by.....horror of horrors....CONSERVATIVES!

And, I knew Iraq was going to turn into a blood bath because Obama could give a crap about human rights violations. He is a corporate guy through and through that is why he takes care of Wallstreet and not Main Street!

June 13, 2014 at 10:15 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

No timbo, with all due respect, I hear no one defending a president in this discussion. You miss the main point, the problem is we let a President stampede Congress and the public into STARTING a war without clear and present danger to the integrity of the US, no invasion of our land, or other reason a proponent of "just war" would use to defend it. Z-boy, surprisingly is exactly right, hit the nail on the head in acknowledging what I said earlier to him, what we have here in this country, especially in the US House of Representatives, is mob rule. He needs to heed my last paragraph below, however if he thinks we can "stay in it for the long haul" and win (sic). (Whatever "win" means.)

Timbo read your history and take a good look at the present landscape. Iraq and Syria likely will partition into Kurds, Shiites and Sunni's, and perhaps a Christian enclave or two, everything going on now is a marriage of convenience between groups who loathe each other.

Will Turkey allow the establishment of a strong Kurdish government on its border? We shall see.

Will Iran allow a strong Sunni government to reestablish itself in what was formerly Iraq? We shall see.

Will Israel seek to take a pragmatic act and strike out at one of its self-percieved foes trying to thwart these changes? We shall see.

Will gasoline prices rise? We shall see.

And by the way, send you, your wife, your sons and daughters to fight your futile war, not mine. To stop this you would have to exterminate almost everyone in the Near and Middle East and even that likely would only cause more grief because of the blood on our hands. The Germans tried that, you know. Have you ever read Shakespeare who captured the essence of the human situation? Are you familiar with the term, "pointless futility?" It describes the acts of those who fail to learn from experience.

peace be with you

June 13, 2014 at 10:23 a.m.
timbo said...

inquiringmind....You are right, Bush made the initial mistake but Obama worsened it.

I also agree that ruling Iraq is like a monkey having sex with a football. Only a guy like Saddam could have done it.

To keep my son and daughter from fighting over there, we might have to fight a little now. Fighting will be inevitable if these religious fanatics get in charge and want to metastasize the cancer of Islam. Then if Israel gets attacked we will be right in the middle of it anyway. There is just no good answer here.

I agree that a direct threat is needed but constitutionally congress has to declare war. We can't let whoever the current member of the White House i.e. Bush or Obama, make that decision on his own.

You make some good points,...again this is a hard one that defies ideology. We have to be pragmatic...

June 13, 2014 at 10:32 a.m.

As long as you libs still insist that Bush went in unilaterally, and "stampeded" through congress, and it was "illegal" and so on, then you have no credibility. Even Kerry and Hellcat gave their ok.

BO has no policy, and is completely disrespected in the Middle East. They laugh at him.

Instead of trying to build nations in the middle east patterned after us, which is futile and stupid, because Islam is is diametrically opposed to freedom of choice/freedom period, we should unleash holy hell on the Taliban/Al Quada wherever they are because they've taken their war all over the world. They are a continual threat. We did the right thing in Afghanistan, we blew it in Iraq, but we should continue to go after terrorists.

June 13, 2014 at 10:40 a.m.
Maximus said...

It would not surprise me at all if Obama was financing the terrorism in Iraq. Hillary is lying during every interview and sports fans that seem to blame Bush for everything.....Bush had things under control in Iraq. The Iraq invasion was a well executed response to 9/11. Just like we firebombed Tokyo, Japan soon after Pearl Harbor we had to pick the best target we could in the Middle East and Iraq was the center of terrorism at the time. Do the research, Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom are among the most successful military operations in the history of warfare. All you Bush haters are simply weak Hillary voting vaginas.....that's all.

June 13, 2014 at 10:48 a.m.

LOL Maximus, good one. Barack, our future rests on "DREAMers", Obama is a fraud. The 5 he released, those top terrorisist, are the same people that are now taking over Iraq. They're imposing Sharia Law, beheading, and murdering.

800 refugees or so are fleeing Iraq. They don't want to live under Sharia Law or go back to the middle ages. I guess those "DREAMers" who just want to experience freedom, don't count, huh?

June 13, 2014 at 10:58 a.m.
timbo said...

Maximus...I am not a Bush hater, but I am no a fan. He did a bad job as president. High deficits, Iraq war, spend, spend, spend.. The reason some of the conservatives on this page have no credibility is that you praise your "team" and deride the other "team" no matter what. Never acknowledging the mistakes of your guy. Just like you accuse the Obama lovers of doing.

Nobody is more conservative than me but I am not a Republican. They are almost as bad as the democrats. There are good Republicans but the establishment is as crooked as any democrat.

A good example of both parties just disagreeing to be disagreeable was when Bush was president and raising the debt limit was good and the dems thought it was bad, and as soon as Obama was in, the debt limit was bad to Republicans and good if you were a democrat. NO MATTER THE PARTY, THE DEBT LIMIT IS BAD.

Bush was a failure..Obama is worse. Both were bad and both have put this country in a bind. Bush made that mid-east mess and Obama has mismanaged since then.

Yea, our military was brilliant but so was Robert E. Lee in the civil war. He won many battles but lost the war. We are losing in spite of Iraqi Freedom and Desert Storm.

June 13, 2014 at 11:14 a.m.
Maximus said...

Zableedodo....it must be your time of the month better grab a Kotex. And....yes the 5 Islamic terrorist officers Barry released for the nut case deserter Berghdol will be back in the fight soon. No question at all.

June 13, 2014 at 11:17 a.m.
Maximus said...

Tomboy....you are playing a losing fairness card. The radical left currently in charge will eat you for lunch and dinner. "Standing in the middle of the road will get you run over." Conservative British PM Margaret Thatcher

Moderate "let's compromise" Republicans like to say they are Fiscal Conservatives and Social Liberals. This is impossible! You can't support and finance unneeded liberal social programs like giving a billion dollars to support illegal alien kids that should be sent back to their dirt bag South American slums and say that you are a "fiscal conservative". Moderate, especially social justice, Republicans are the reason we have this pitiful excuse for a POTUS we have now. Comparing Robert E. Lee's military and leadership brilliance to that of Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom somewhat accurate from a strategic standpoint but one cause was lost the other, invading Iraq......JUSTIFIED!

June 13, 2014 at 11:30 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

No, invading Iraq never make a lick of sense.

June 13, 2014 at 11:35 a.m.
timbo said...

Maximus...I am not standing in the middle of the road. I am trying to make an informed decisions without ideology or partisanship. I can't stand Obama or anything he has done but to let Bush off the hook for his failings is delusional. You sound just like the guys you always fight with.

This problem might be solved long term with ideology but right now, when everything is going south quickly, it is time to stop playing "who shot John" until the immediate crisis is taken care of.

The Republican party can't get better if they don't admit their failings. Being moderate has been a failing. Supporting Bush, no matter how bad he was, is not conservative, it is delusional. Bush was no conservative.

June 13, 2014 at 11:56 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Dubya is an honorable man. But the Iraq invasion was disastrously wrong. 2 straight presidents horribly ill-equipped for the job.

June 13, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.
Plato said...

People are missing the point of the cartoon.
Iraq is a manufactured nation that came about after the end of the Ottman empire. It's a cobbling together of different factions that hate each other and have been fighting for centuries.

The only reason Iraq continued to exist as a country was becasue it had an iron-fisted dictator that lead by force. Not saying that's a good thing by any stretch, but it's the reality. Now that the dictator is gone, Iraq will no longer exist.

It is inevitable that there will now be conflict until the parties themselves and their geopolitical neighbors come to some resolution. Down the road I see a Kurdish state in the north, a Sunni state that is aligned with, and may become apart of Syria in the west, and the southern part of Iraq being absorbed by Iran.

You can argue if getting rid of Saddam Hussian will ultimately be better than leaving him in power, or not, but to blame President Obama, or argue that keeping a nucleus of 5,000 troops in Iraq would have made a difference, even if the Iraqis approved, is absurd, and is nothing more than political mud slinging by the dishonest or the stupid.

June 13, 2014 at 12:05 p.m.
Maximus said...

Timbo....it is a two party system. Those pining for a third party or claiming they are "INDEPENDENT" are playing right into the hands of the Radical Leftist Secular Humanist liberals already in charge and screwing us at every turn. Obama and Hillary are corporate Marxists only interested in their personal agenda and finances. As I have always said, Obama could give a crap about social justice. His "Welfare Pimp" anti-American philosophy does nothing to help all the Democrat fool special interest groups, they only support and increase his power and financial base. Returning to Republican leadership in the House, the Senate, and the Executive branch will reverse the amoral, Marxist, secular trend currently in place which will continue to abolish our Constitution, our Sovereignty, and our only Super Power position in the world. Of course Obama does not like the fact, at least for now that we, the U.S. is the only Super Power....after all that is not fair. And, most of all, Obama is the Prez that makes things fair whether YOU like it or not. You Obama voting suckers.....complete idiots!

June 13, 2014 at 12:36 p.m.

Maximus, I'll just borrow yours.

It's a two party system, apparently, but the GOP is caving, or going along with the Dems/BO. Jeb Bush's statement about illegal aliens coming here out of love sounds like something a Dem would say. As a lifelong GOP voter, I don't know if they have the will or the balls to reverse this trend. They seem spineless.

Cantor was defeated because he was going along with BO on illegal aliens. What kind of leadership and vision by a Republican was Cantor providing? He had support from Mark Zuckerberg, and George Soros. You could say he sold out.

June 13, 2014 at 1:11 p.m.
timbo said...

Maximus...You are wrong...I won't support the Republican party the way it is now. The only way that the Republican party will change is if real conservatives refuse to fall for your "lesser of two evils" argument. The days of us conservatives writing a check and keeping quiet are over.

I am conservative first and if that doesn't fit into some Republican view of the world, then so be it. The Republican establishment has a lot of responsibility for the mess we are in. When they had all branches of government, Bush and the Republicans went wild. They ignored the constitution and spent like crazy, just like the democrats.

The democrats didn't lie about who they were. They spend, want government control, don't like the constitution, group think, etc. They don't hide those facts. The Republicans lie to us, they say they are conservative and believe like we do, then vote some other way. Cantor just found that doing that gets you beat.

It is a one-party system with two factions. The liberal wing and the almost liberal wing. The rest of us are left out.

June 13, 2014 at 1:21 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

WASHINGTON — President Obama said Friday that he would make a decision “in the days ahead” about whether to use American military power to help the besieged Iraqi government stave off collapse at the hands of Islamist insurgents, but he ruled out using ground forces.Decisive. Should be over by then.

June 13, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.
Maximus said...

Cantor a weak moderate supposed fiscal conservative and social liberal. Again, the two cannot co-exist. You cannot support Guvment financed abortion and have a strong desire to balance the budget. Senator Ted Cruz or Dr. Ben Carson could get us back on track toward the amazing success of one of our top 5 POTUS...Ronald Reagan. Our current idiot, Obama will rank at the bottom. We do not want to reach across the aisle to touch that Marxist in any way what so ever. Two more years of division and stalemate is a very good thing indeed. The problem....Obama is ignoring YOU as a voter by ignoring the rule of law, the Constitution and Congress. But......nobody has the balls to impeach our first Marxist President.

June 13, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.

Exactly. I would contribute to have Ted Cruz or Ben Carson run.

The problem is the GOP leadership wants someone like J. Bush or some other nothing like any of the other country club Republican. I fear will just get another Romney or McCain.

Jack, he should make a decision now instead of going off to play golf. The Taliban is eating it's way through that country at record speed.

June 13, 2014 at 1:34 p.m.
timbo said...

Maximus...I am not advocating compromise. I just think that the Republican party as you see it doesn't exist. I want the one you describe.

The only reason to reach across the aisle is to grab a democrat by the neck. You are supporting something that doesn't exist. The Republican party is rotten. Until it is fixed, you can't really get on democrats with any credibility.

June 13, 2014 at 1:35 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Zab, classic example of leading from behind

June 13, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.
timbo said...

Bush is just another loser like McCain and Romney.

June 13, 2014 at 1:36 p.m.

yeah, jack it is. what a whimp, what eunuch we have in the WH. I'm not advocating another war there, but he needs to do something NOW. Put some scare in the Taliban again. It doesn't mean we have to go to war. All he's done is help them by giving them back 5 of their top creeps. Pathetic beyond words.

Timbo, yeah, what Maximus wants is ideal, but I don't see much but kissing ass and corruption from the GOP.

I strongly believe if they nominated Ben Carson or Ted Cruz they would win. By 2016 everyone will see Helcat for what she is, an elitist, Marxist, bitch and a bully. That's going to come out. She'll steadily lose her temper more, and will reveal herself for what she is.

June 13, 2014 at 1:50 p.m.

GOP will regain the Senate in Nov., and they'll keep the House. BO will go ballistic, and go even more rogue. Anybody can predict that. He'll become more dictatorial and possibly do more that could fall under the category of things impeachable. But, it might be best to leave him in there and let him implode.

June 13, 2014 at 1:57 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Z sez, "I would contribute to have Ted Cruz or Ben Carson run." O please! O Please don't throw me in the briar patch. I hope more Reds think like you do.

June 13, 2014 at 2:12 p.m.

Once again, inq. you don't control the dialogue...you and other libs are "red" the blue red thing is a lib media contrivance.

Anyone who would be ok with Hellcat as POTUS is either ignorant or anti-American. As are those who voted for BO.

Ben Carson would beat Hellcat.

You libs are out of control and should be institutionalized.

We have a POTUS who says that our future rests on illegal aliens. One of his puppet masters, Valarie Jarrett, say's illegal aliens are exceptional and the best we have. If they're so exceptional, their native country bust ass to keep them? What about the kids that are here. It's all so transparent with you libs.

BO is statist and a dictator, so he wants these illegals to have allegiance to him. He wants ignorant people with no allegiance to this country, but to him.

You libs are insane or corrupt, and you twice elected a legitimate fraud and anti-American. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Bashing Bush, or Reagan for whatever reason, doesn't legitimize this Marxist thug in the WH.

The worst thing for this country would be to elect Hellcat. It could mean the end of our country. She'll be just as dictatorial as Obatguano.

June 13, 2014 at 2:29 p.m.
timbo said...

inquiringmind....McCain was a moderate...losserrr....Romney was a moderate....losserrr....why haven't the Republicans learned their lesson.

The only way to win is a true conservative. People like you say you want a guy like Cruz but he is your worst nightmare.

You dems would like us to think that Romney lost because he wasn't moderate enough. All you have to do is look at the numbers. Romney lost because of a black turnout that was about 15% higher than usual and a white turnout that was about 10% less than usual. The Hispanics played no part and the idea that they do is a democrat and Republican establishment fabrication. If the percentages were flipped, and Romney got Obama Hispanic vote, he would have still lost by 6 million votes. There were 8 million less votes cast for Romney than McCain. Why? Disillusioned conservative voters. What you dems try to downplay is the huge disadvantage you have with white men. They are 39% of the electorate and vote right by a margin of over 60%. There are several articles written by democrat politicos that are worried and are lamenting this fact. They are afraid that the liberal stances on immigration, Obamacare, and energy will lose male union votes someday. White males still swing a big hammer. It is no more sexist to kiss up to the white male vote than the dems kissing up to the female or black vote.

Keep on trying to fake us out, it won't work. A real conservative would eat Hillary's lunch. She doesn't wear well anyway.

June 13, 2014 at 3:54 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

timbo, moderation in all things is a virtue, even zeal. Romney did not lose because he was a moderate, he lost because he is part of the 1%, or is so beholden to them he had to act like it. McCain lost because no one could imagine how the country could survive if McCain were incapacitated and his VP took over. But both lost primarily because women, Hispanic, African-American and young voters turned out at the polls hoping Obama would change the system before it changed him. Obviously, as with the last true change agent, Jimmy Carter, the system won.

Actually your demographics are partly right.But turn out is always an important issue, look at what happened to Fred Skillern, 10-12% of the voters voted and it was essentially a split, so 5-6% of the voters determined the result. Historically in national elections the democratic voter base is larger than the republican base but it seldom gets energized in off year elections.

The real issue is the complexion of the electorate (our society) is changing, something folks who write on this page often bemoan and deny. It is becoming more Hispanic and definitely less white. It is also becoming less affluent.

All these changes point to the loss of the existing "conservative base" because that "conservative base is essentially, frankly, a bunch of old white guys and their submissive wives, women with penis envy, Uncle Toms and southern democrats who have never gotten over the Civil Rights Act of 1965. I don't intend to be mean but it is a fact of life that as a generalization it represents a very odd slice of the whole society. The politics of Romney/McCain and the Tea Party are rapidly shrinking into a minor voice.

Gerrymandering is keeping that movement alive in congressional districts but sooner or later the demographics and census will change the tide. If the conservative part of the electorate got its voice and figured out how to address the social issues in a constructive way rather than instinctively oppose all efforts to deal with it, it might have a chance, but the more it opposes all efforts to improve the plight of the poor the more it grows democratic voters.

There is not thing inherently wrong with conservatism, it is an essential inertial part of a social process that maintains social equilibrium just as social activism is a force that causes the country to move to accommodate change.

What we need in Congress are people who are willing to do what is good for the country, not what is good to get reelected.

Ultimately if the Church did its job, we would not have these problems. Unfortunately, churches love to descend into the mire of denominational dogmatism and ignore its true purpose.

peace be with you

June 13, 2014 at 4:25 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ says "All these changes point to the loss of the existing "conservative base" because that "conservative base is essentially, frankly, a bunch of old white guys and their submissive wives, women with penis envy, Uncle Toms and southern democrats who have never gotten over the Civil Rights Act of 1965. I don't intend to be mean but it is a fact of life that as a generalization it represents a very odd slice of the whole society." IQ, how do you come up with this bilge? You can't possibly believe that. Is that part of some Leftist talking narrative? Your inoculation took, for sure.

June 13, 2014 at 4:31 p.m.
timbo said...

Inquiringmind...so what "%" do Hillary, Bill, Obama, etc. live in?

You are over complicating this whole thing. Political science is about numbers and turnout. I hope you people keep thinking this way. Conventional wisdom is always wrong because the majority is seldom right. The reason the Republicans lost was because they believed this "wisdom." When it was ignored, in the 2010 congressional election the tea party ruled. When they were ignored in 2012, the Republicans lost.

Taking advice from your enemies is just stupid. If dems are telling us to become more moderate, recruit hispanics, etc. We should do the opposite.

June 13, 2014 at 4:32 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ has never learned that wishing things to be so, is different from reality. IQ, in all candor, you seem to be obsessed with race and the belief that all most white people are racist. Where does that come from?

June 13, 2014 at 4:48 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

timbo, the choice is yours. I'm not telling you what to do because I don't want you telling me what to do. I am quite ready to wait for the outcome and not waste air arguing about it (Z and jack).

By the way, I see Iran is already sending its shock troops to Iraq. The Kurds have taken over part of north Iraq. When will we hear from Israel and Turkey. The Saudi's are awfully quiet. The Sunni/Shiite split is probably the most dangerous. I'll bet radical Israeli strategists are now pulling the plans out of the drawer to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, waiting for the "right" time.

June 13, 2014 at 4:50 p.m.

inq, I'm not an old white guy. Your statement is outrageous. It was the GOP that is responsible for passing the Civil Rights Act. "uncle Toms"? So, Ben Carson is an "Uncle Tom"? "submissive wives"? Once again a lib confirms the plantation mentality of the Democrat Party

Good point, timbo. Being the "1%" is ok if you're a liberal.

McCain, Romney and the Tea Party. The Tea Party folks are convervative, Romney and McCain are lets-get-along Republicans.

June 13, 2014 at 4:53 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

being in the 1% is a blessing if you are compassionate.

June 13, 2014 at 4:56 p.m.

talking points. There's no evidence that libs/Dems are more compassionate than anyone else. Ridiculous myth repeated over and over until it's taken as fact. There's nothing compassionate about allowing illegal aliens to flood this country. Everyone knows you libs' ulterior motives. But, keep up the act it's pretty amusing. How does that help the millions of families/citizens in this country that are struggling in BO's $hitty economy?

Frauds.

June 13, 2014 at 5:03 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

compassion is a state of one's heart, not one's politics

June 13, 2014 at 5:09 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Obama gave it all back. Blame it on HIM. He OWNS this one, and anybody who does not admit that pulling out let this happen is not able to deal with reality.

June 13, 2014 at 9:07 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

there was no Al Qaida in Iraq until 18 mo after bush the younger invaded, the buck rests on him, the bill rests on us. We own it. unfortunately. really.

June 13, 2014 at 9:09 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

THE OBAMA REGIME IS THE MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL REGIME IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

June 13, 2014 at 9:14 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

"If you believe the IRS actually lost those Lois Lerner emails then you’re too stupid to live in a house with electricity." -Neal Boortz

June 13, 2014 at 9:20 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Iraq was a cluster-f$ck before we decided to send troops there and now it's worse. What did you guys expect? The Iraqis to embrace our love and compassion, our style of government? I'm not surprised with the stuff going on in Iraq nor should anyone that knows anything about the Middle East. We had no business sending one troop into Iraq a decade ago and I hold both parties responsible. As bad a human being Saddam was, I always said he's nothing compared to one of his sons being in power or some other crackpot. Afghanistan will turn out similar whenever we finally leave that sh!thole.

June 13, 2014 at 9:29 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

jack get on the same page, this is about Iraq.

June 13, 2014 at 10:58 p.m.
Maximus said...

I say bring Bush 41 back. The youngest pilot in the Pacific Theater in WWII and now the bad ass MF is jumping out of an airplane to celebrate his 90th birthday? What? Bush 41 in 2016........bring back a great American ass kicker and maybe all the Gen X weak pricks and the whiny ADD infested millenials will finally move out of their parents basement, grow a pair, and vote Republican! Hillary Clinton as our President....gag a maggot and kiss your ass good bye. The puffy, lying matronly, idiot will drive us to ruin even surpassing Obama the worst POTUS in U.S. history. Oh and all of you men and women 30 and under get ready to lock and load, if Hillary gets elected your ass is gonna get drafted and shipped over to the Middle East to fight in WWIII! Take it to the bank, the oil bank that is. Uhhh...I have yet to see a jet airliner that runs on solar power or an 18 wheeler for that matter. Obama's mid east foreign policy disaster currently unfolding in Iraq is going to produce one hell of an American gun fight. Do it now....invest in General Dynamics, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Martin Marietta, and any other defense stock you can get your hands on. IT IS ON WE ARE GOING TO WAR VERY VERY SOON! Oh yea...Boeing and Lockheed Martin, and United Technologies and Raytheon are good defense stocks too. Tally Ho! Islamic terrorist camel jockies beware.....we are back and this time we are going to build Baptist Churches, Casinos, Home Depots, and Golf Courses on your so called sacred grounds. Oh yea...some strip clubs too. LOL!

June 13, 2014 at 11:28 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"IQ says "All these changes point to the loss of the existing "conservative base" because that "conservative base is essentially, frankly, a bunch of old white guys and their submissive wives, women with penis envy, Uncle Toms and southern democrats who have never gotten over the Civil Rights Act of 1965. I don't intend to be mean but it is a fact of life that as a generalization it represents a very odd slice of the whole society." IQ, how do you come up with this bilge? You can't possibly believe that. Is that part of some Leftist talking narrative? Your inoculation took, for sure."

Sounds about right. ~275 Republican Congressmen, 0 elected are black. 0 are non-Christian.

June 13, 2014 at 11:39 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

IQ, don't blame you. Dems sure as hell don't wanna talk about Lois Lerner.

June 13, 2014 at 11:40 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

inquiringmind, he'll bring up Benghazi in a couple of more posts.

June 13, 2014 at 11:40 p.m.
timbo said...

inquiringmind.....Republicans and conservatives give to charities at twice the rate of democrat/liberals. Who is compassionate again?

June 14, 2014 at 10:11 a.m.

Cantor's loss to Brat is a sign that people are fed up with elites and corporate whores. The guy spent almost nothing, and unseated a powerful majority leader. What we need are citizen statesman. People who have accomplished something in real life. Real outsiders. How else is it going the change? You libs and your vicious label of "uncle tom" on any black American who isn't on your plantation is going to come back to haunt you. Your party continues to screw black Americans. BO and his puppet master Valerie Jarrett elevate illegals over young black Americans, and still expect loyalty.

Ben Carson could beat Hellcat, if that puffy old Marxist and corporate whore chooses to run. Ben Carson's life is much more inspiring than BO's pampered, Marxist influenced, pot filled, self-absorbed, elitist, and cynical life story.

June 14, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.
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