published Thursday, June 26th, 2014

Evangelicals called to vote and other letters to the editors

Evangelicals called to vote

A Sunday school class May 25 featured a panel of members to proclaim what Memorial Day meant to them. Each spoke well, saying it was a reminder of freedoms we all enjoy and of the sacrifices made to secure those freedoms. The next day, at a memorial picnic, prayers of thanks for our afreedoms were given and recognition made of veterans in attendance. It was a festive affair, enjoyed by all. Many churches across America had similar observances and giving of thanks. It is fitting and proper that Christians have such an observance of Memorial Day to remember and give thanks. Unfortunately, another observation is shameful for our American Christian populace. While talking the talk for our freedoms, the majority of Christendom is quite apathetic when it comes to walking the walk to preserve those freedoms. In 2012, only 50 percent of evangelicals bothered to register and of those, only 50 percent bothered to vote. Therefore, with a coalition of useful idiots duped into voting for a free lunch, and useless Christians staying home, an imperial, tyrannical presidency was re-elected, one which continues to threaten both our civil and religious liberty.

GARY F. SMITH, Flintstone, Ga.


Clarify the tea party

I need help clarifying just how many political parties we have in the U.S.A. Day and night, I hear reports [about] tea party candidates and non-tea party candidates. Some say the tea party is dead and gone, but candidates still proclaim or deny their affiliation with the tea party. I'm sure someone will clarify this issue for me once I state my confusion. Who is the tea party? You see, there are certain issues in the U.S. that sway us toward liberal or conservative thinking. Generally, I think there are two primary parties, Democrats and Republicans with an independent or libertarian casually thrown in -- maybe like the tea party. That may not be a good analogy, but let's keep it anyway. Differences are what make parties.

LAWRENCE HEADRICK, Tunnel Hill, Ga.


Don't forget Flag Day

What a surprise and disappointment to pick up today's Chattanooga Times Free Press and to see the large leading article, with a large picture, about the dogs found in cruel living conditions but no mention of today, June 14, being Flag Day, and not even a picture of an American flag on the paper. I am sympathetic about the dogs that were mistreated, but where, oh where, is patriotism?

JOAN EIGENBERG, Signal Mountain

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GARY F. SMITH, Flintstone, Ga. wrote: "Unfortunately, another observation is shameful for our American Christian populace."

I'm sorry, Mr.Smith. I did not get the memo about the American Christian populace so I'm not sure who you're referring to.

There's a wide variety of American Christians, from the Fred Phelps style of Christian loons (Chattanooga has many of those) to Bishop John Spong, a progressive, non-fundamentalist theologian who sees Christianity as the myth it is.

But usually, when some makes a statement like yours what is meant is "the American Christian populace that believes, thinks, and acts just like me."

In other words, the only real, true, devout, holy, sanctified, Jehovah and Jesus approved Christians just like you.

I suggest you can find your group of American Christians at the local Tea Party, KKK, John Birchers, dreadful gospel music squealers, creationist museum, snake-handlers, tongue snappers, and floor-twitching cults. Your TBN group of con-men fit this category.

For better dressed American Christians (suit and ties, fashionable dresses, toupees, and boob jobs) go with Joel Osteen, John Hagee, the upper crust of Billy Graham's flock, and dead Jerry Falwell. This group usually has gymnasiums and coffee shops at church since Jesus shot hoops and was a part-time barista in Jerusalem.

So the next time you write of the "American Christian populace" please enclose a recent photograph so everyone knows what that populace is and should look like.

June 26, 2014 at 7:43 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"...where, oh where, is patriotism?" - Joan Eigenberg

Yeah, it's shameful how we Americans neglect to pay tribute to our flag and our military-industrial complex, isn't it? We have, not one, not two, not three, but FOUR days of each year set aside for remembrance and celebration of our flag, military, and our love of all things related to war: Armed Forces Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day. And then we have practically every politician and Fox Newscaster wearing a little flag pin on his suit lapel nowadays, as if they are trying to prove their patriotism to the public. Speaking of which, when did it become required dress code for them to wear those silly little flag pins anyway? They all seem to be afraid NOT to wear it for fear of being branded unpatriotic. There is no dearth of patriotism in America, Ms. Eigenberg. unfortunately we worship, glorify and glamorize war and our military-industrial complex to the point of absurdity.

June 26, 2014 at 12:43 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

Yeah-Yeah_Yeah! (No, not like that, but more like a staccato 'Yeah-Yeah-Yeah! That's right, say it with some eagerness, and with quick enthusiasm.......like a cheer leader's chant. All that to give an 'atta boy! to the good ole hoax filled, money grabbing scientific (so-called) community for putting their enormously magnificent brains together and believing for 40 years that LIGHT CANNOT ESCAPE FROM COSMIC BLACK HOLES!...Oh! Ha, Ha, Ha! Somebody help me hold my stomach! +(:> ALL OF'EM!... A-L-L OF'EM! believed it!

And, and, and...what about Ernst Haeckel's work which never fooled expert embryologists, entered into the most impenetrable and permanent of all quasi-scientific literatures: standard student textbooks of biology. Oh, the Piltdown man, or, the National Geographic ( Archaeoraptor), or, what about the 'pig's tooth' (Nebraska 'Man'...Oh, ha! ha! (Hesperopithecus haroldcookii)<<<wink! wink! Let's make it sound erudite!

Malleus Deum

June 27, 2014 at 8:48 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

And, here's some more stuff the atheists/anti-Christs get put into the liberas/democrat school books: Oh, Ha! Ha! Ha!:

The science journal New Scientist recently reported the following regarding the fossil which was dubbed "flipperpithecus": “ "A five million-year-old piece of bone that was thought to be a collarbone of a humanlike creature is actually part of a dolphin rib...The problem with a lot of anthropologists is that they want so much to find a hominid that any scrap of bone becomes a hominid bone." - Dr. Tim White (anthropologist, University of California, Berkeley). As quoted by Ian Anderson "Hominoid collarbone exposed as dolphin's rib".

Hey, let's all believe in the scientists (so-called) who give our planet's population major reversals that take lives while making the scientist (so called) billions of dollars. Yeah, some say, "good idea, let's believe in them and not Christ Jesus!" Oh, ha! ha! ha!

Romans 1:22... KJV -

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the

glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible

man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things."

June 27, 2014 at 9:01 p.m.

Still no evidence from Orr that Jehovah, Jesus, and the Bible are true. None, nada, zilch.

Orr still doesn't understand how the process of science works. He's lied about being a psychologist and scientist, but with Fundy-Nutz lying and self-delusion are normal.

That's the reason we don't let people like Orr in classrooms and we keep creationism out of science and old myths like Jehovah out of schools.

In England they're finally getting ALL religious dogma out of science classes. No creationism, no intelligent design bs allowed to be taught as a valid science theory.

But you can discuss creationism as deluded logic in humanities courses, the Bible in fiction writing, and Jehovah as just one out of thousands of other make-believe gods.

How refreshing! Reason, rationality, and science instead of the idiocy, murder, and mayhem of some guy named Jehovah.

Yet the "Jesus Crucified" snake-oil salesmen still ply their trade and the mouth-breathers swallow what little common sense they might possess to have a big gulp of future glory in never-neverland.

Just in case though, I do have some authentic nails from the cross for sell to you believers. Only used once. There's only a few dozen left and they're cheaper than a Baptist preachers grocery bill and size 54 pants. And for a few extra bucks I have a gen-u-wine Shroud of Motel 6 where Jesus and Mary Magdalene spent a weekend together in Nazareth.

These relics are guaranteed to get you closer to heaven, heal your dropsey, cure your lumbago, and the nails make a dandy tooth pick your neighbors will envy. All have been approved by Jimmy Swaggert and John Hagee as the real McJesus.

Any takers?

June 27, 2014 at 9:59 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

'Scientifically' trained Medical Doctors until the 1950's prescribed (recommended) smoking cigarettes/cigars/pipes to their patients. Oh, HA! HA! HA! Oh my...Good 'Science'!

Remember the 'Scientifically' approved thalidomide that caused widespread birth defects/deformities?

Remember the 'Scientific Proof' that birds evolved from dinosaurs [1999]? The Piltdown Chicken hoax? Or, the hominid skull with an ape jaw hoax?

I like this quote about our revered 'Scientists' who utilize "Factoids based on half-baked interpretations of scientific data". These 'charlatan's' often persuade their senior 'legitimate' research colleagues to endorse their deceptive papers [sight-unseen].

Malleus Deum

June 28, 2014 at 8:49 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

Hey Scientists (so-called)...Do something with this:

Over two-thousand Holy Bible Prophecies have been fulfilled!

The odds for 2000 fulfilled Bible prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10 to the 2000th power (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

Behold!!!>>>10 TO THE 2000th!

PRETTY AWESOME STATISTICAL/MATHEMATICAL ODDS, ISN'T IT???????Not like scientists (so called) taking a chicken bone, or, pig's tooth and proclaiming like a true anti-Christ, "This here bone is a trillion-zillion years old Hominid."

Oh, ha!- ha!- ha!>>Yeah!....believe the 'chicken bone' scientists, not Jesus Christ.......if You choose...Oh, Ha!-Ha-Ha!

Malleus Deum

June 28, 2014 at 9:04 a.m.

ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++ Hey Scientists (so-called)...Do something with this:

The odds for 2000 fulfilled Bible prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10 to the 2000th power (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!"

Proof of such a claim? Again, Orr has lied. He's claimed to be a scientist and psychologist but can not show evidence. Is Orr mentally deranged or a pathological liar? I'd say it's both.

Where's the proof of Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible? You've been asked many times but have none.

Off wrote: "believe the 'chicken bone' scientists, not Jesus Christ"

There is evidence of chicken bones, but none of Jesus, Jehovah, and The Bible as true, divinely inspired, and inerrant.

What did Jesus say about chicken bones? Did Zaxby's cater the Last Supper? Did Jesus like mashed potatoes or french fries?

Fundy-NutZ like Orr are the reason we keep creationism and Bible prophecy out of science classrooms. Can you imagine Orr around children?

But we do enjoy laughing at their histrionics in the cause of superstitious ignorance.

June 28, 2014 at 9:26 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, ever notice how many times the Bible says, "So that prophecy might be fulfilled?" You can't get much more obvious than that as to how blatant and intentional were the authors' desires to make sure that "prophecy" was indeed "fulfilled" (according to how they manipulated the narrative); and they are making certain the reader does not miss the "miracle" of those so-called self-fulfilling prophecies.

During the hundreds of years that the Bible was being compiled, rewritten, interpolated, and forged by the various church scribes whose will it was to enforce their notion of a patriarchal deity and a literal savior on humankind, they had plenty of time to bend and twist the "facts" to fit their narrative. To anyone with an objective reading of the Bible and an awareness of the actual history of the time the various events in the Bible supposedly took place, it is obvious how the Biblical "facts" in those prophecies are incongruous with reality. Any work of fiction can contain as many self-fulfilling prophecies as the author desires. That so-called prophecies are coming to light today or are on the verge of being fulfilled are only the silly imaginings of fundamentalists like yourself who are desperately waiting for Armageddon or the return of your "savior" as some sort of validation that your irrational blind faith is real.

June 28, 2014 at 1:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The beauty of science is that it is actually humble in its quest, not arrogant or vain. Science does not pass itself off as "professing...to be wise." The search for truth and knowledge is only a natural part of what makes us who we are. We do not want to know things in some vain attempt to rule the universe; the search for knowledge is just part of what makes us humans tick - we were born curious and it is only natural to seek answers. To think that there is a God who would punish us for being curious in our quest for knowledge, all the while that he himself implanted that curiosity in our very DNA, well, that is the epitome of sadism and cruelty!

Mr. Orr, your God, who you like to think we are supposed to fear and who you think prefers blind obedience to reason and knowledge, is a two-dimensional caricature, an illusion based on primitive humankind's limited notion of the workings of the universe. For you and so many others to cling to that primitive and perverse notion of a deity is not only childish but downright inexcusable.

Science has gotten many things wrong in its quest for definitive answers, but it is never too proud to rest on its laurels or too stubborn not to weigh the next bit of empirical data that might contradict what has heretofore been formulated. If something came along tomorrow that refuted Newton's law of gravity, it would be made known to us in an instant! Or if something were discovered that refuted the heliocentric theory of the rotation of the planets around the sun, we would likewise know it and the astronomers would weigh the new evidence and study it.

Unlike religion, which thinks that truth is static and resides in a book or a blind belief, science is malleable and willing to go wherever the evidence takes it. It is not scientists or truth seekers who "profess to be wise," sir. It is you fundamentalists who eschew science and rationality and who bow down to ignorance and blind belief that pass yourselves off as being the wise ones. What a pity that you have let yourself get stalled on the dead-end road of religion, all because you are afraid to face your own mortality, wrapping yourself in the illusory notion of eternal life as promised by an illusory "savior" in an illusory holy book of primitive tall tales and myths.

June 28, 2014 at 2:57 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

Hey, what percentage of the material world is either invisible, or, 'guessed' that there is something there? Answer: 95% +(:>

Oh, I forgot, all that we can't explain is, uh, dark matter, or, maybe dark energy...maybe, to avoid metaphysics, let's call it modified Newtonian dynamics. +(:> Yeah, it's there all right, the scientists (so-called) proclaim, it's there but so dark that we can't see it! Wow! Did somebody say..................................

METAPHYSICS!!!

Not too far from admitting Jesus Christ Is The Answer. But, if you go down that path, then you can't live like a heathen, or, beast of the jungle, now can you?

Malleus Deum

June 28, 2014 at 7:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah! Don't you know that the first century Followers of Jesus knew all about Newtonian dynamics? Or, Maybe..The Holy Spirit Informed Them. of the subatomic universe. I say 'run to Jesus Christ' while you can!

Colossians 1:16

"For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him..."

June 28, 2014 at 7:48 p.m.

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... +++WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED AND RETURNED THREE DAYS LATER FOR A BEER AND PIZZA.

"Yeah, Yeah, Yeah! Don't you know that the first century Followers of Jesus knew all about Newtonian dynamics? Or, Maybe..The Holy Spirit Informed Them. of the subatomic universe. I say 'run to Jesus Christ' while you can!"

Hilarious! Now the Holy Spirit knows Newtonian physics and told early Christians who never wrote one word about it. Did the Holy Spirit also tell them about extraterrestrials? Fairies? Mothman? The Texas Chain-Saw Massacre?

"Run to Jesus!"

Just where is Jesus? Still on a snipe hunt? Looking for WMD in Iraq? Motel 6 with Mary Magdalene? Hanging out in his Mom's basement playing Dungeons and Dragons?

You've never proved there is a Jesus, Jehovah, or Holy Spirit. You've never proved you were a scientist or psychologist either.

But you have proved to be a liar over and over again.

You keep getting crazier every day! Have you been drinking Jesus' blood again or Jack Daniels?

Attention everyone. Orr is the reason we keep religious bullsh!t out of schools. Can you see why small children shouldn't be around such willfully ignorant fundies?

Orr, thanks for keeping everyone here in stitches with another chapter of Fundy-NutZ. We use you as an example to teach kids that often believing in gods leads to insanity. We teach them to study math, science, history, and logic so they don't grow up to be stupid like Orr.

You're the poster child for freaky fundamentalism.

June 28, 2014 at 8:19 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

While what we do know might be only a small fraction of that which we do not know, what we have learned thus far has been more than sufficient to completely shatter the crude myths of old. But Christians and monotheists still try to cling to and defend many of those primitive beliefs, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They still like to fall back on the default answer of "God" as the answer to everything that is unknown. And they live suspended in a state of false security, clinging desperately to the vain and illusory hope of eternal life, all the while mistaken in their notion that the quest for truth is somehow disrespectful of their deity. But if indeed there is a a deity at the center of the cosmos, he/she/it would most certainly be so complex and so vast in intelligence and so unfathomable to the human mind that it is actually a mockery to attempt to imbue such a deity with the base human traits of jealousy and vindictiveness. To think that there is a God who created us with a passionate, intrinsic thirst for knowledge and for problem-solving and with unbridled creativity and ingenuity, yet (he) would punish us for daring to be inquisitive and daring to want to be unique in our own ways, is utter nonsense and is in fact disrespectful to the sense of awe and wonder that "God" would deserve. Christians have not only reduced God to the level of a human being but have further reduced him to possessing the basest of human traits, like jealousy, insecurity, and vindictiveness.

Ken Orr, it is not we atheists/agnostics/non-believers who are the "beasts of the jungle." It is you Christians who still dwell in those dense dark jungles of myth and primitive belief, who refuse to see the bright shining light of truth.

June 28, 2014 at 8:22 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

+++WE PREACH JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED+++

allahsyoungerbrother,

i can tell you don't get some of my attempts at sarcasm, but, that does not make you naive to me, au contraire, I believe you do have a somewhat gentle 'innocence' about you.

Physics we have never heard of, nor imagined, is known by our Creator. He also has employed many elements of this knowledge, placing it into Holy Bible Scriptural Truth.

Your and Rickaroo's..faith in science (so-called), and your absolutist belief (faith) that there is no Jesus Christ does puzzle me. You play Russian roulette to your own hurt. Wisdom?

Because of the absurdities of proclaimed science 'facts' (ha!) that have harmed so many and because so many reversals abound, I find it ludicrous that anyone would trust their existence to such balderdash.

Actually, I doubt most of what is called science. The scientists (so-called) don't even know, not really, with what they are working. 'Tip of the Iceberg' doesn't even begin to describe how little they know. You might say it is so much cow dung/smoke-n'-mirrors/much ado about nothing/hocus-pocus.

That's why I think the only reason a person would choose and embrace the delusions of science (Which offers no salvation of the soul)and discard the safety and beauty of faith in The God Who Is Love, Jesus Christ, is because they want to live an animalistic-like life filled with debauchery and immorality of most every sort. If you accuse Christians of living a life of delusions, well, at least admit that when we rejected the faith/delusions of science (so-called), we chose the much 'higher ground' of faith in our precious Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Malleus Deum

June 29, 2014 at 12:03 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Come on, Ken. You haven't a clue what science is.

June 29, 2014 at 7:10 a.m.

Science offers the best evidence for its hypothesis.

Orr and fundamentalism offers nothing. No evidence.

Science moves forward, correcting itself as new, better, more inclusive information is available.

Orr and fundamentalism offers nothing new. It clings to ancient myths as reality. Still no evidence.

Science improves lives.

Orr and fundamentalism improve nothing. Still no evidence.

Science requires doubt, critical discussion and critical thought. There is no need of gods.

Orr and fundamentalism require suspension of thought, blind faith, and primitive belief in gods.

Science frees humanity from foolishness through the self correcting process of science.

Orr and fundamentalism enslaves humanity through mindless obedience to superstitions.

Orr has continually lied about being a scientist and psychologist. Orr has never produced a shred of evidence about his positions.

I see why you're afraid Orr. You're an impotent thinker, afraid, and want company in your delusions.

That's one of the reasons we don't teach creationism and fundamentalism in schools. It's based on fear, ignorance, and impotence — just like your life.

June 29, 2014 at 10:46 a.m.
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