published Saturday, May 10th, 2014

Nice Try

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

The recall for morality or religious reasons should fail but if for failing to exercise good stewardship of taxpayer money it should succeed. There is no justification for extending employee benefits beyond the employee. Family members including spouses are not employees and any benefit to them should be at the employees expense.

Why should a married employee cost more than a straight single employee and those with kids cost even more. It is a ludicrous practice by the government and many private employers. The tax laws also discriminate by requiring those not married to pay more than those married and those making a decision to have more kids are favored even more, an unfair confiscation and redistribution of income.

May 10, 2014 at 5:29 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

Charles Wysong is a piece of dirt proclaiming to be doing the "Lord's work". Jesus was a big fan of lying and deceiving in the world according to Charles.

May 10, 2014 at 6:28 a.m.
conservative said...

I have noticed that Mr. Bennett likes to push Homosexuality/sodomy on Saturdays.

More people are off on the weekends so they are more likely to read the TFP.

He probably thinks more of the practitioners/promoters/defenders of Homosexuality/sodomy will come out and voice their support.

However, I have noticed that there are now only a handful of people who participate here and most of them are Atheists/Demoncrats/Socialists.

I have a pretty good idea why the number has dwindled but I am not about to help him out.

May 10, 2014 at 7:19 a.m.
alprova said...

The number of participants who frequent this forum who have "dwindled" include both liberal and conservative posters, and it is due to the fact that the TFP charges for access to this site.

Connie, your powers of observation are right on par with your inability to understand the Bible.

Do you EVER worry about your own soul? Who empowered you to take up the cause to attempt to eradicate homosexuality? God himself and his Son never once personally condemned the act, so what makes you so special that you believe it is your responsibility to deal with it so negatively?

Can you not live and let live?

No one is asking you to like something that you find distasteful and unnatural pertaining to your life, but many would ask you to mind your own business.

May 10, 2014 at 8:31 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, I know it's a pet peeve for anyone to receive a tax benefit that you personally choose not to take advantage of, and because you made your choice, everyone else should have to suffer along with you.

You're never going to convince a vast majority of people, much less the vast majority of Congress people with spouses and children, that they are discriminating against single people such as yourself.

Remain single, pony up the extra dough, and live your single life, free from the expenses that most other people have to weather providing for their families.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the validity of tax deductions to offset the costs associated with extra people in one's home.

You just don't get it.

May 10, 2014 at 8:39 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Our self-acclaimed righteous Christian con-man states, "However, I have noticed that there are now only a handful of people who participate here and most of them are Atheists/Demoncrats/Socialists."

A good example of walking the talk for hungry souls wondering what the faith offers. ...

fairmon for the years I've ben employed family benefits have always been the norm.

May 10, 2014 at 8:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, yesterday or the day before, you expressed the belief that Congress was doing a good job of holding each side from doing damage to this country.

How can you expect our current Congress to ever take up debate on massive tax reform that would install a bit of fairness?

The Fair Tax is an issue that you and I agree on, for the most part, but any debate among our current lawmakers is all but impossible.

What is it going to take for voters to realize that extreme politicians on both sides of the aisle are exactly why this country is in the mess that it is, and nothing is going to change until we elect people who are not beholden to those who fund their pockets with cash?

Buying politicians is the way the game is played, and I seriously doubt there is one member of this forum who has the ear of one lawmaker.

So that which we lament when it comes to our elected officials is quite meaningless.

None of us are even on their radar screen.

May 10, 2014 at 8:53 a.m.
LibDem said...

I'm sure only we liberals are organized enough to sign petitions in alphabetical order.

May 10, 2014 at 8:56 a.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

"Our self-acclaimed righteous Christian con-man states"

Is that what you mean about bile?

What compelled you to make that up?

My faith compels me to warn others about those who would mislead and pervert Christian doctrine.

My faith compels me to defend the faith.

Now, you may not like that but you have to admit I have been pretty effective.

May 10, 2014 at 9:07 a.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

When Mr. Anthony Provancher writes:

"Jesus sinned"

"Jesus cannot be God"

Is that bile?

May 10, 2014 at 9:09 a.m.
stuartfjames said...

Clay, as Chris Anderson's lawyer I usually do not make public commentary on articles unless inquiries are made by the press. However, I have to say this is a priceless piece and another example of your editorial brilliance.

This recall is tarnished by discrimination and reported forgeries. It is an abuse of the process. I hope that the people of this community stand up and repudiate any future effort to recall an official for improper purposes. I also hope the public and the press push for an investigation into forgeries as reported by Election Commission officials.

Thanks for the strong commentary.

May 10, 2014 at 9:14 a.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

When God commanded:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death ; their blood shall be upon them Leviticus 20:13

Was that bile inquiringmind?

Do you consider the word of God bile inquiringmind?

May 10, 2014 at 9:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...You're never going to convince a vast majority of people, much less the vast majority of Congress people with spouses and children, that they are discriminating against single people such as yourself.

This is one case where a minority is dictated to by a majority for their own selfish reasons. They have the support of their voters to discriminate to the maximum in this way and you're right they will continue doing so. They know they are discriminating just as they did based on ethnicity years ago and as some people still do.

alprova said...It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the validity of tax deductions to offset the costs associated with extra people in one's home.

There is no validity simply because people made a choice to have more occupants in their house. I have always heard people say two can live cheaper than one which of course means two can live together cheaper than two people buying and maintaining two houses and associated expenses. They are in the majority and will support others helping pay for their choice. There is no logic or validity.

What is the justification for deducting interest on a loan used to buy a house? There is none. It benefits the wealthy buying larger houses on credit. Those with a lower income don't benefit near as much as the wealthy but realtors and banks have strong well funded and effective lobbyist.

I am aware nothing will change unless every single person in the country converged on D.C. and remained until there was a response. That ain't gonna happen!

May 10, 2014 at 9:30 a.m.
alprova said...

Connie wrote: "My faith compels me to defend the faith. Now, you may not like that but you have to admit I have been pretty effective."

LMAO!!!

Brother, the ONLY thing you have been effective at, is driving people away from Christ with your drivel and misrepresentation of the Bible.

The ONLY thing you have faith in, is in yourself.

May 10, 2014 at 9:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Must be a slow day at the ol' car lot.

May 10, 2014 at 9:49 a.m.

fairmon, I agree with you. Why should anyone other than the employee benefit? It's gotten ridiculous. I don't care what sexual orientation they are, the whole thing is nuts and there's too much cost involved. Companies exist to make a profit, period. If companies are successful then their employees will gain from it by being rewarded. Why should an employer be saddled with having to give benefits to those that don't work there?

Regarding homosexuals, most people in this country don't care, or don't want to know, what someone does in their private lives. What many object to though is the never ending propaganda machine that is the "gay movement", and it's minions in Hollywood and the liberal media. Enough already. We get it, but don't punish people because they don't think it's normal.

May 10, 2014 at 9:52 a.m.
alprova said...

JD wrote: "Must be a slow day at the ol' car lot."

Seriously? You want to start some crap today?

May 10, 2014 at 10:19 a.m.
LibDem said...

I'm not aware of a requirement that employers offer family health coverage or any health coverage at all. This is usually a benefit offered to recruit and retain employees. If a business wishes to offer this benefit, why not let that business make the choice. We could call it "free market" or something equally noncommittal.

I'm also not aware of the City of Chattanooga being in business to make a profit.

May 10, 2014 at 10:19 a.m.
alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Why should anyone other than the employee benefit? It's gotten ridiculous."

There's nothing ridiculous about it. Employers offer such benefits to attract good employees. A happy and content employee is a productive employee.

"I don't care what sexual orientation they are, the whole thing is nuts and there's too much cost involved."

If it doesn't come out of YOUR pocket, what concern is it of yours?

"Companies exist to make a profit, period. If companies are successful then their employees will gain from it by being rewarded. Why should an employer be saddled with having to give benefits to those that don't work there?"

Go back and read my first sentence. There are many employers out there who still value the people that work for them. They know that an investment in offering benefits leads to a very stable and content workforce.

"Regarding homosexuals, most people in this country don't care, or don't want to know, what someone does in their private lives. What many object to though is the never ending propaganda machine that is the "gay movement", and it's minions in Hollywood and the liberal media. Enough already. We get it, but don't punish people because they don't think it's normal."

How are you "punished?" You'd be content to drive it all back into the closet because you don't find it normal. Well guess what? It's not up to you.

Not any two people on this planet are normal in all respects. Everyone has differences from others. EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

You're hung up on one aspect of what you deem to be "normal."

What pleases your eyes will be different from that of every other person.

You really need to deal with it.

May 10, 2014 at 10:28 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I hope nobody sticks a pin in Alprova. A couple of square miles could be at risk.

May 10, 2014 at 10:34 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

ConMan reminds me of Wysong...Scumbags trying to convince everyone they are morally superior and they are doing God's work here on Earth. The world would be a much better place without them or their ilk.

May 10, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.

Mr. Conservative wrote: "Do you consider the word of God bile inquiringmind?"

If you're the representative of some god that god is as silly, small, and mentally stunted as you.

You remind me of a blue-bottle fly (Calliphora vomitoria) sitting on a pile of cow manure shouting, "Look what I have done."

Or a gnat that buzzes around a dog's butt; not effective at disturbing the dog but savoring the smell.

That sums up you and your god; puny, attracted to stink, and claims of being big sh!t.

I shall henceforth refer to you as an Conservative Calliphora vomitoria. Feel free to have that printed on your business cards.

May 10, 2014 at 1:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

allahsbuttbrother sure seems like a former poster, huh?

May 10, 2014 at 1:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

President Barack Obama earned “four Pinocchios” from the Washington Post Fact Checker, the highest ranking for a political lie, for asserting that Republicans filibustered 500 pieces of legislation, an exaggeration of nearly five times the reality.

Washington Post fact check finds Obama lie on filibuster President Barack Obama speaks at the USC Shoah Foundation’s 20th anniversary Ambassadors for Humanity gala in Los Angeles, Wednesday, May 7, 2014. Obama received an award from the foundation created by movie director Steven Spielberg and plans to spend three days in California where he will raise money for the Democratic Party. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh) Obama spoke at a fundraising event for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in Los Angeles Wednesday, and made the charge against Republican lawmakers.

“Here’s what’s more disconcerting; their willingness to say no to everything — the fact that since 2007, they have filibustered about 500 pieces of legislation that would help the middle class just gives you a sense of how opposed they are to any progress — has actually led to an increase in cynicism and discouragement among the people who were counting on us to fight for them,” Obama said.

The Post unsparingly said of the president’s assertion, “On just about every level, this claim is ridiculous.” From the WAPO, folks. Not exactly The Messiah's enemy.

May 10, 2014 at 1:25 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Is this bile?

GaussianInteger said...

ConMan reminds me of Wysong...Scumbags trying to convince everyone they are morally superior and they are doing God's work here on Earth. The world would be a much better place without them or their ilk.

May 10, 2014 at 12:04 p.m.

May 10, 2014 at 2:19 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

This same GaussianInteger who wrote:

"ConMan reminds me of Wysong...Scumbags trying to convince everyone they are morally superior and they are doing God's work here on Earth. The world would be a much better place without them or their ilk."

Also falsely accused me, similar to yourself, of spewing hate about Mr.Anthony Provancher after I listed several blasphemous quotes by him.

Not one word was mine, they were all written by Mr. Anthony Provancher, yet GaussianInteger falsely accused me of spewing hate.

If you like I will go to my notes and let you see Mr. Provancher's words so you can judge whether his quotes are bile or not.

May 10, 2014 at 3:08 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"yet GaussianInteger falsely accused me of spewing hate."

There is not one iota of what I posted "false", it's 100% true.

May 10, 2014 at 3:41 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

If you are a Christian or are familiar with Christian doctrine then you know that Jesus was God, this is what the Christian doctrine God Incarnate means.

This is essential Christian doctrine and to say otherwise is pure blasphemy.

Here is a plain and simple verse of Scripture that is plain and easy too see and comprehend about the deity of Jesus.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3;16 KJV

Note that God was manifest in the flesh. God became man. The rest of the verse further describes this Jesus who was God in the flesh.

Now, Mr. Anthony Provancher on several occasions has denied and even ridiculed that and still does!

I will eventually put forth his bile and blasphemy for you to discern and judge.

May 10, 2014 at 3:54 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind:

You and GaussianInteger and Mr. Anthony Provancher got upset when I presented 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 as proof that the practicing Homosexual/sodomite will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. NAS

Scripture is plain, the practicing Homosexual/sodomite as well as those who practice the other sins in the list will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

Now, why is that? Why would you in particular here get upset over the truth?

You don't consider this Scripture bile, do you?

May 10, 2014 at 4:15 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind:

Now, virtually all of the cults deny that God became flesh and that flesh was Jesus Christ.

Jesus the Christ (the Messiah) was God Incarnate!

Mr. Anthony Provancher had years of Mormon indoctrination which is one of many cults that put forth the blasphemy and bile that Jesus Christ was NOT God?

Mr. Anthony Provancher has written:

"Jesus cannot be God"

Is this blasphemy and bile inquiringmind?

May 10, 2014 at 4:33 p.m.
alprova said...

JD wrote: "I hope nobody sticks a pin in Alprova. A couple of square miles could be at risk."

If someone sticks a pin in one of those diapers you wear these days, it might cause a repeat of the Great Flood.

May 10, 2014 at 4:39 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiring Mind:

Mr. Anthony Provancher wrote the following denying and mocking the Incarnation:

"The very fact that Jesus was given birth, and came out as little helpless small baby is enough to refute the claim that Jesus is God."

"It is utter blasphemy to claim that God came out of a women like all people, it is utter blasphemy to claim God came out crying and screaming and being helpless and weak."

"Such nonsense is insulting to God; this itself is enough to prove Jesus is not God. How can you claim that God came out of a woman?"

"Are you mad? Are you insane? How can you insult God in such a manner? Some of you Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for ascribing such rubbish to God."

Do you see any blasphemy there inquiring mind?

Do you see any bile there inquiring mind?

May 10, 2014 at 4:52 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

con-man,

I guess I could rejoice in you as my enemy as you've put me in the lights, but I can't get mad at you or gloat!

I have no control over your extreme distaste for homosexuality that forces you to judge others so harshly. I only am amazed at your self-righteous willingness to damn people on behalf of God for their sins while you ignore your own. It is so contradictory to the Christian faith you profess. I'd sleep near a lightening rod if I were you, as you propose to us that you know the mind of God - something very explicitly stated in the scripture as unknowable.

But my friend, why don't you contrast your predilection to condemn others for sin, to speak for God, and to use the old testament law to judge all people against the behavior of the Exemplary Christian, and against these three passages: Matthew 7:1-15, Matthew 22:34-40 - "The essential Christian doctrine," not the one you cited, John 7:53-8:11?

And also (1) carefully read the Pentateuch to realize the law was given not to condemn people or judge them or force them into a set of behavior but to provide guidance for living a holy life (Lev. 19:2). Adherence to the law but keeping an impure heart is still an affront to the law and holiness, the Pharisees and temple priests from the captivity to the time of Jesus revealed that quite well, (2) The law is strictly for the Hebrews and not gentiles,you can be judged by the law as a Gentile only if you opt to do so, which Paul strongly encourages us not to do, (3) all sin is equal therefore I commend to you for serious consideration these Matthew and John passages. If you adhere to Matt 22:34-40 it appears you fully fulfill the law regardless of ethnicity.

Your choice, my friend as it is for all of us, is to be a sheep or a thief. (John 10:1-10)

peace brother.

May 10, 2014 at 4:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie, remember that everything in the Bible has CONTEXT?

Your cherry-picked scripture was preceeded by;

1 Timoth 3:14 - "These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:"*

"15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

"16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 Timothy, comprised of three letters written to proved Negative instructions, positive instructions, and personal instructions regarding conduct of and in Churches. 1 Timothy 3:16 is referred to as "A Hymm To Christ." It is not a statement of fact or even close to proving that Jesus was God.

The reason Jesus was not God, is very simple. Nowhere in the entire Bible do the words appear that "Jesus was God."

Is it possible for God to "manifest himself in the flesh?" Only our creator knows for sure, but 1 Timothy 3:16 is not any proof that Jesus was God.

Nice try though. Apparently someone guided you to that cherry-picked passage, lifted totally out of the context it was presented.

Here's a cherry-picked one for you that backs ME up;

John 1:18 - "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

May 10, 2014 at 5:09 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind

"I have no control over your extreme distaste for homosexuality that forces you to judge others so harshly"

Well, I hate the sin of homosexuality as well as other sins? Why don't you?

Ye that love the LORD, hate evil. Psalm 97:10

Why don't you hate the evil of Homosexuality/sodomy?

Ye that love the LORD, hate evil. Psalm 97:10

Why do you defend the evil of Homosexuality/sodomy?

Ye that love the LORD, hate evil. Psalm 97:10

I have no authority to judge anyone.

I do have the authority to confront sin.

I do have the authority to defend the faith.

I do have the authority to tell others what God says about sin.

I do have the authority to warn others about those who would lead you into sinful behavior.

Do you exercise your authority to do the same for your family?

May 10, 2014 at 5:20 p.m.
alprova said...

God be with anyone who may be related to you Connie. I'm convinced that you are alone as hell.

May 10, 2014 at 5:22 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiring mind:

"you propose to us that you know the mind of God - something very explicitly stated in the scripture as unknowable."

You greatly err!

But I do know the mind of God, it is called Scripture.

The word of God is the mind of God!

The word of God is the will of God!

The word of God is specific about the fate of the practicing Homosexual/sodomite:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

May 10, 2014 at 5:26 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind

"you propose to us that you know the mind of God - something very explicitly stated in the scripture as unknowable."

You greatly err!

The mind of God is knowable on what He has revealed.

Scripture IS the revelation of God's mind and will!

This is common knowledge.

God's mind and judgment on Homosexuality/sodomy is set forth in Scripture and is fixed.

Here in just one passage is the fixed judgment on those who practice the gross sin of Homosexuality/sodomy as well as other sins.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

May 10, 2014 at 5:33 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Now, if the passage in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 were just my judgments you would not be so upset but probably laugh.

The word of God is authoritative. It is His revelation to mankind of his will and the consequences to those who refuse His revelation.

You cannot set aside His word by casting charges of judging in order to silence others.

It just will not work.

God's word is fixed.

You greatly err.

May 10, 2014 at 5:38 p.m.
conservative said...

Inquiringmind:

Not one word from you on the blasphemy and bile that Mr. Anthony Provancher has displayed.

What say you?

Do you hate the evil and bile of Mr. Anthony Provancher?

Do you hate the evil of Homosexuality/sodomy?

You are commanded to.

Ye that love the LORD, hate evil Psalm 97:10

May 10, 2014 at 5:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie, you're such a drama queen.

Very befitting for a woman trapped in a man's body.

May 10, 2014 at 5:54 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Now, Jesus Christ was God Incarnate, God in the flesh, God became man and took upon Himself the penalty for our sins on the cross.

As I wrote earlier, Mormon trained Mr. Anthony Provancher has denied and ridiculed the Incarnation.

He is an anti Christ!

He denies that Jesus Christ (the Messiah ) was God in the flesh.

Scripture says this, I did not invent this, this is the word of God:

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist 2John 1:7

Mr. Anthony Provancher is a deceiver and an anti Christ according to the word of God.

This is the word of God that I am pointing you to. It is not my word. I have no authority.

Is this bile inquringmind?

Consider this a warning to you and others who might be fooled by this man.

May 10, 2014 at 6:13 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Now, following this verse there is instruction about how to handle Mr. Anthony Provancher and the Mormons also, who deny that Jesus Christ was God Incarnate, God in the flesh.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 1:10

Now, understand this, read that verse carefully.

What does it say?

A Christian is not to let him, Mr. Anthony Provancher into their house if he comes selling this blasphemy!

And not even a parting good day!

Do you see that?

Do I need to explain that further?

Would you call that bile inquiringmind?

May 10, 2014 at 6:30 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

So, when Mr. Anthony Provancer or the Mormons come to your house, obey Scripture and tell him -

Hit the road Provancher and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more, hit the road Provancher and don't you come back no more!

May 10, 2014 at 6:37 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

But there is further instruction for the Christian in this matter.

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:11

Do you consider this bile inquiringmind?

Do you want to be a partaker of Mr. Anthony Provancher's evil deeds?

Evil deeds.

Is that bile inquiringmind?

What say you?

May 10, 2014 at 6:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Last Saturday in Florida, a unanimous jury awarded $12.5 million to a man who, as a child, was sexually abused by a Southern Baptist minister. Significantly, this verdict was assessed, not only against the local church, but against the Florida Baptist Convention.

To my best knowledge, this is the first time in history that a verdict has been handed down against a Baptist statewide denominational entity in a clergy sex abuse case. Attorney Ron Weil of Miami is the person who brought this “game-changer” of a lawsuit to fruition."

May 10, 2014 at 7:05 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Tucked away in a Washington Post article last month was the news that Baylor University’s president Ken Starr wrote a letter of support on behalf of a child molesting school teacher.

Baylor is the largest Baptist university in the world, and Ken Starr is the man at the top. Formerly, Starr served as a federal judge, as the United States Solicitor General, and as a special prosecutor during the presidency of Bill Clinton.

The child molester who inspired Starr’s letter is Christopher Kloman. For nearly 30 years, Kloman taught at the elite Potomac School in Virginia, which Starr’s own daughter attended.

Faced with multiple accusations of having molested female students, Kloman pled guilty last summer to four counts of indecent liberties with a child younger than 14 and one count of abduction with intent to defile."

May 10, 2014 at 7:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

"This week in Boulder, Colorado, police served summons on two pastors and two elders at an independent evangelical church after an “investigation revealed the officials failed to report a youth pastor” who allegedly sexually assaulted a child. “A fifth church official, who is currently out of the country, will be served a summons when he returns to Colorado.”

May 10, 2014 at 7:08 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Five grown men -- all of them leaders at the Vinelife Church -- and according to police, not one of them chose to do the right thing when one of their clergy colleagues was accused of child sex abuse. In fact, police point to evidence that the youth pastor had “repeatedly confessed” to the church officials, and investigators believe the five church officials “knew about the crime.” Yet, they failed to report it.

Those church officials who now face charges are:

• Robert Phillip ("Bob") Young, executive pastor • Luke Michael Humbrecht, pastor • Edward Charles Bennell, elder • Warren Lloyd Williams, elder"

May 10, 2014 at 7:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

Police say they will release the identity of the fifth church official at the time he receives the summons. However, 9-News reported that the accused youth pastor, who now faces six felony charges, is the son of one of the church’s senior pastors. The accused youth pastor is named Jason Allen Roberson, and the church's website shows that its senior pastor is named Walt Roberson. A photo gallery of senior pastor Walt Roberson along with the rest of Vinelife’s staff is here.

According to news reports, the abuse began when the girl was fifteen. She is now 23. As reported by 9-News, when she reported the abuse to church officials, “the church launched their own investigation and made Roberson go through counseling before returning him to his position as youth pastor.”

In other words, it’s still another case of a church that tried to handle clergy abuse allegations internally without involving outsiders. It's a recipe for disaster that leaves kids at risk of terrible harm. As we’ve seen far too often, “without outsiders, you get cover-ups and cronyism.”

May 10, 2014 at 7:11 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary president Paige Patterson preaches that churches should resolve their conflicts internally and should not take them to “the world of unbelief.”

This means, he explains, that when a person has been “offended…misused and abused” within the church, he should take his complaint to church elders and the congregation, and should not go to the courts or talk to the press. In the final prayer of his sermon, Patterson included even “the government” among those to whom church members should not take their troubles."

May 10, 2014 at 7:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Speaking to a room full of journalists yesterday in Austin, Texas, Liberty University law professor Boz Tchividjian said evangelicals are “worse” than Catholics when it comes to responding to clergy sex abuse.

Frowning on transparency and accountability, too many evangelicals have “sacrificed the souls” of young victims, said Tchividjian, who is the grandson of evangelist Billy Graham.

Now before some of you Southern Baptist readers start mentally dismissing this guy because he’s currently a university professor – as in “aren’t they all a bunch of liberals?” – let me just point out that Liberty University was founded by Jerry Falwell and has been ranked as one of the top ten most conservative colleges in the country. With over 100,000 residential and online students, it is the largest private evangelical university in the world."

May 10, 2014 at 7:14 p.m.
tifosi said...

Seems like conservative needs to clean up his own house.

May 10, 2014 at 7:14 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie, why are you afraid to debate with me?

You love typing MY name. What's yours?

With God on one's side, all things are possible.

If you knew God you'd find the right words to refute mine.

So far, you're batting a big, fat ZERO!!

You believe yourself to be a big man on your armchair throne, hiding behind a computer monitor, projecting your inane musings that are anything but Christian.

Refute me. Prove me incorrect. Ask God to give you direction.

Or you can sit there like a ninny and continue to be the buffoon you are known to be.

May 10, 2014 at 7:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Seems that Connie has his sights trained on InquiringMind today.

IM, I was very much impressed with your posts to Connie. I'm jealous of your obvious intelligence and the gifted manner in which you express it.

C'mon Connie. You're beef is with me. Dial me direct. No need to pussyfoot around your obvious distaste for my brutal honesty.

Why not admit I'm right? You obviously cannot disprove so much as one of my truisms taken directly from the Bible, which you refer to as "God's Word."

You know I'm right on every point, so your continued protestations are merely lies. You Sir, are a liar. Your understandings of the Bible are lies, because your beliefs are NOT SUPPORTED by the Bible, or you'd be able to post the applicable scripture that would trounce me.

So, you can keep posting my words, which have your fingerprints of endorsement all over them, or you can get busy refuting them.

Jesus was not God, but he is God's Son. Men manifest themselves in the flesh, on Earth, every single day when they sire a child. Their children are part of themselves, just as Jesus was to God.

THAT, you can read in the Bible. Your version and assertion cannot be found in the Bible, so what in the world do you base your assertion that Jesus was God upon?

Jello. Nothing more substantive than Jello.

May 10, 2014 at 7:55 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

con-man, try Isaiah 55:8-9, on knowing the mind of God and decide for yourself.

As for judging (your word) someone who contributes to this exchange of posts, I'm more interested in action than words of condemnation or calling out another's sin. I can only suggest to you that if you are a serious Christian, you give careful thought to whether there is a log blinding your own eye and I pray you come to understand the meaning of Jesus commenting on the two greatest commandments that subsume the whole law.

And by the way, the proper approach to those who refuse to listen to you, if you must be vociferous and call them out (assuming you are righteous and without sin yourself), please use Luke 9:1-6, 10:1-12 as a guide,to balance slightly conflicting texts of secondary writers of the Johannine or Pauline schools and OT Hebrew texts.

peace, brother.

As for those reprehensible sexual predilections tifosi points out, remember they failed to heed and act on the two things Pogo (AKA Walt Kelley) said, "even the whitest doves have feet of clay," and "we have met the enemy..."

Don't assume the apple tree is bad because there are some rotten apples in the bushel, just watch what you eat.

May 10, 2014 at 8:05 p.m.
conservative said...

You are flailing.

You are gibbering.

Your problem is with God.

You are convicted by God's word.

You are making no sense.

You don't even know what you are writing.

You have not acknowledge one passage of Scripture, you have just tried to change the subject to me.

Sorry but God's word stands, you can't change God's mind on the evil of Homosexuality/sodomy.

May 10, 2014 at 8:18 p.m.
conservative said...

inquiringmind

Your problem with homosexuality/sodomy is always going to be with God.

When Mr. Bennett and Mr. Anthony Provancher and others bring it up I am going to constantly remind you and them what God's mind is on the matter.

You are going to be reminded constantly what the judgment of God is on the evil of Homosexuality/sodomy.

Trust me, you will eventually understand.

May 10, 2014 at 8:37 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"Connie, why are you afraid to debate with me?"

He is a coward. If anyone wants proof of his cowardice, look at his avoidance of my and Jack_Dennis' direct question (which we have asked him on several occasions over the course of the past month); "Do you believe Catholics are Christians"? He won't answer it, he pussyfoots around the question. Surely, a man of such strong convictions, a man with his vast biblical knowledge could answer such a simple question. He avoids the question probably like he avoids the collection plate on Sundays. A man that never back downs on sharing his opinion on gays, atheists, liberals, or socialists won't answer a simple question. In my opinion, he is a man with limited spiritual fortitude.

May 10, 2014 at 8:43 p.m.

I see where where Mr. tifosi pointed out the sexual abuse of children and minors in those saintly halls of good fundamentalist Christian Churches.

I don't believe I read whether it involved boys or girls.

Now if it was boys involved would Mr. Conservative (Calliphora vomitoria) condemn the christian men? If it was girls would Mr. Conservative (Calliphora vomitoria) say it was OK?

After all rape, incest, slavery, genocide, and other nefarious actions were condoned and encouraged by God.

Blue-bottle fly Conservative reminds me of The Right Reverend Father Simon Lokodo, the current State Minister for Ethics & Integrity in Uganda. This fellow is another good Christian, just like BBF Conservative.

When asked about child rape in Uganda, this Minister who claims to have degrees in Christian theology said “Ah, but it is the right kind of child rape.”

When asked, “Can you just explain what you meant?”

This good Christian said, “Well, it is men raping girls. Which is natural.”

Yes, that Ugandan Christian reminds me of Blue-bottle Fly Conservative. Just as stupid, and just as Christian.

May 10, 2014 at 9:42 p.m.
alprova said...

We're pumping a dry well.

The man is lost in a sea of his own bullsh!t...

Free speech is one thing, but the man only knows how to harass others.

The man needs to be banned.

May 10, 2014 at 10:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

LibDem said...

I'm not aware of a requirement that employers offer family health coverage or any health coverage at all. This is usually a benefit offered to recruit and retain employees. If a business wishes to offer this benefit, why not let that business make the choice. We could call it "free market" or something equally noncommittal.

There is no requirement that employers provide benefits to any family member of an employee. However, since city employees are paid above the private sector for the same or similar work and city government is not a for profit business the cost of benefits should be limited to the city employee. There is not a single job in the city so critical and requiring a skill that couldn't easily be filled. That philosophical to attract and retain and alprovas happy employee crap is not justification for providing benefits beyond the government employee. What private employer do is up to them and many are reducing their benefits and the cost in order to remain competitive. Stock holders and customers can exercise some control over public companies while others will go out of business if they manage like city is governed.

May 10, 2014 at 10:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, I'm sure if you sit down and write a nice letter to the Mayor and every Councilperson, they will respond with a hearty thanks for your wisdom and concern for their stewardship of public funds.

Or maybe they will ignore you and will continue as they intend to do.

Which do you believe is more likely?

May 10, 2014 at 10:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Z-man wrote: "Why should anyone other than the employee benefit? It's gotten ridiculous."

There's nothing ridiculous about it. Employers offer such benefits to attract good employees. A happy and content employee is a productive employee.

What a crock of sh!t. employees pay attention to the take home pay line and have no idea what the benefit cost the employer or don't believe the cost when told. There is no city employee so valuable of skilled they can't easily be replaced therefore it is not that critical to retain them. A happy and content employee is due to the employees nature and many are happy and do a good job and some regardless of pay and EB bitch and moan about everything while doing the minimum essential work.

alprova said...If it doesn't come out of YOUR pocket, what concern is it of yours?

alprova...that is one of the least sensible things you have posted. If the city spends it people living in the city and paying taxes are affected and have every right to be concerned.

May 10, 2014 at 10:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

To each according to need and from each according to ability. Is that similar to redistribution or 'spread it around'?

May 10, 2014 at 10:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Whatever it is, you're not likely going to change it. Bennies are going to go on, like it or not.

May 11, 2014 at 1:41 a.m.
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