published Friday, May 23rd, 2014

Graduation

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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GameOn said...

A worthless piece of paper for most.

May 23, 2014 at 12:05 a.m.
alprova said...

I don't know if it's worthless, but it is expensive. My wife's college bills were not paid off totally until she was well into her 40's.

I can't imagine how long people will have to pay for a four year degree, who graduate this year.

I've always considered higher education a racket. I've seen some rather smart people with little formal education, and some rather dumb graduates with absolutely no common sense, who have bachelor's degrees.

But I subscribe to a very realistic theory.

Everyone is smart or well versed about something.

May 23, 2014 at 12:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

An education and intelligence are not one in the same. Visit a college campus and pay attention to where the money is being spent. The government makes low interest loans available and universities compete for students and the money. A group of college presidents admitted their plush facilities and student centers were for that purpose. Another government program with good intentions but unintended consequences. Those with well heeled parents footing the bill view college as a social event while those needing loans work their butt off to get a degree and wind up paying the price for an elaborate campus.

May 23, 2014 at 2:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

A college degree prepares a person to be educated in the real world if they have a reasonable degree of intelligence. Many highly technical jobs are not being filled due to a lack of qualified candidates.

May 23, 2014 at 2:38 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

I believe the problem stems from upcoming students not being informed what the job prospects are for certain degrees. There are vast shortages of STEM jobs being filled and college enrollment continues to increase. A kid that spends four-year pursuing a degree in Philosophy (just one of the many) won't have many job prospects after he graduates. My opinion is that we have a serious math deficiency in this country and most students are not capable/confident enough of entering majors that require several math courses. I believe colleges need to be more upfront with students with regards to their choices of majors.

May 23, 2014 at 5:57 a.m.
Astropig said...

Parents have 18 years to prepare for the costs of college. The first two years (at a community or junior college) can be nearly free of real,out-of-pocket net cost.The only people that have any excuse to graduate with a high level of debt are doctors.The "student debt crisis" is just another example of non existent planning and an inability to save and invest for a better future for our children

Apparently "giving back" after graduation doesn't include the loan money used to get there.

May 23, 2014 at 7:01 a.m.
wallyworld said...

I don't suppose it has anything to do with the banksters ripping students off, huh?

It’s the time of year to celebrate the accomplishments of those students who have finished their studies and are graduating.

Now, it’s also time to start paying back all those student loans taken out to fund a college education.

In a study recently released by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, total student debt outstanding as of the end of the first quarter of 2014 was reported to be $1.11 trillion. Student loans outstanding increased by $31 billion during the first quarter of 2014, an increase of about 2.8 percent.

As compared to the same period in 2013, student loan debt increased by $125 billion. This year over year increase in the total amount of student debt outstanding represents an addition of over 12 percent.

May 23, 2014 at 7:12 a.m.
AgentX said...

College education is expensive, no doubt. But student loans are about the worst possible way to fund it.
Many people don't realize that student loans aren't bankrupt-able. They don't go away. I'm all for using funding from the lottery to provide some sort of 2-year college education, with some sort of restriction of course (keep grades up, keep attendance up, etc). When my wife and I got married, I soon told her parrents that I would pay off the loans. It was a burden that put my inlaws in a tough financial position. We quickly paid off the loans, and I am setting up plans to pay for my children's college.
Also, it would be a mistake to forgive student debt. That sends the wrong message- disregard financial responsibility. If you take out the loan, it's your debt to pay. You do everything immaginable to pay your debts in life.
People should be educated more on finances. Especially the government. Visit Dave Ramsey's website and listen to his show sometime.

May 23, 2014 at 8:04 a.m.
LibDem said...

My degree in Philosophy, GaussianInteger, is invaluable here at the shelter.

May 23, 2014 at 8:26 a.m.
caddy said...

I have three degrees from "the state". The older I get the less they mean to me.

May 23, 2014 at 8:29 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Can students at 3rd tier law skewls get loans?

May 23, 2014 at 8:58 a.m.
GaussianInteger said...

LibDem, I wasn't attacking Philosophy degrees, per se, but I have two acquaintances that I graduated with that are underemployed with Philosophy degrees. Even my undergrad degree in Applied Mathematics wasn't very useful until I went to graduate school.

May 23, 2014 at 10:19 a.m.
TheJackDennis said...

<< a quote from this tolerant Liberal... "Do you think I care what you believe, you Catholic, child chasing creep? You've got many more problems to deal with than I ever will." nice, huh?

May 23, 2014 at 11:24 a.m.
Easy123 said...

TheJackDennis, Jack_Dennis, Rebus, PlainTruth, etc. is a confessed sex offender.

Nice, huh?

May 23, 2014 at 1:18 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

<< ^^ 2 liars

May 23, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Says TheJackDennis, the confessed sex offender.

How can it be a lie if YOU confessed it? The only one capable of being the liar here is YOU, dumbass.

Do I need to explain it further, TheSexOffenderJackDennis? I guess I need to s l o w i t d o w n for a degenerate sex offender like you.

May 23, 2014 at 1:27 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Hey moron, are you trying to get banished again?

May 23, 2014 at 1:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Hey moron, I was never "banished". Bwahahaha!

I took a long break from this cesspool. I checked in from time to time to see you bring my name up anytime you got the chance. I'm in your head. I've been kicking your ass for so long that you've developed Stockholm Syndrome.

You've never had a damn clue and you still don't, TheSexOffenderJackDennis.

May 23, 2014 at 1:45 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Don't be so bitter, junior. Not everyone has the grades to get into a real law school. You will probably be able to pass the bar by the time you're 50. Maybe not.

May 23, 2014 at 1:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Bitter? That's rich coming from the sex offender. Sexually frustrated much? Exploiting minors? Indecent exposure?

What do I have to be "bitter" about? Explain that one, Kierkegaard. I'd love to hear the logic behind that. Everything you say is shrouded in stupid. Your original thoughts (as rare as they are) are nonsensical and highly ignorant.

I had the grades to get into this one: http://www.law.emory.edu

Anything else, dumbass? Want to tell us about your scholastic endeavors in prison? How's that GED coming, TheSexOffenderJackDennis?

Don't be so bitter, TheSexOffenderJackDennis! Bwahahaha!

May 23, 2014 at 1:58 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Easy says "I had the grades to get into this one: http://www.law.emory.edu" But you didn't go, did you? You had grades for Emory like Alpo is a CPA. Total rot, punk. The internet...be all you can be.

May 23, 2014 at 2:38 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

How about the G. I. Bill? How about the "part-time job." How about "saving for your kids' education?"

There are plenty of ways other than loans. All of them are harder, but worth it in the long run.

May 23, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Believe what you want, TheSexOffenderJackDennis. Your opinion means nothing, nor is it congruent with reality. Your ignorance has already been established here. You're nothing more than a troll and a bad one at that.

You're the punk, TheSexOffenderJackDennis. That, too, has been established. Every post you've ever typed here serves as evidence to that fact. Care to take a poll about what others here think of you?

You're a degenerate sex offender. You even admitted it. That's why you have to get on these threads to troll others. It makes you feel better about your derelict, shameful life. But have no fear, I'm here to smack you down again and again.

Don't be so bitter, TheSexOffenderJackDennis. Your projections are just as pitiful now as they ever have been.

May 23, 2014 at 2:41 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Poll away, child. If the majority of regulars believe the bankruptcy/child predator b.s., let them so state. If they do, I'll abandon this site. Poll away, liar.

May 23, 2014 at 2:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You might want to reread what I said, dumbass You already admitted to being a child predator/sex offender. That's been established by you. You sealed your fate on that front. Anyone that believes otherwise is going off the assumption that you were, for some unknown reason, "joking" about being a sex offender. Either way, it says a great deal about you as a human being. "Degenerate" would be a proper description of your character either way.

The "polling" would be to establish what others think of your posts here, moron. I guess they don't teach reading comprehension in those prison GED classes.

May 23, 2014 at 3:01 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Serious question, Easy. What is enlightening about your posts?

May 23, 2014 at 3:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Facts tend to be enlightening, but I would guess an admitted sex offender that has created multiple screen names on this site while trolling any "liberal" poster here wouldn't understand that.

However, at this time, I'm just trolling you. But I think people would like to know that one of the regulars here is a confessed sex offender, so I'm keeping up with that whole "facts" deal.

It is impossible for YOU to fathom that you are ignorant of even the most basic facts. You'll never grasp it. Your head is too firmly wedged up your own ass to understand, TheSexOffenderJackDennis. It's laughable to even observe you try to be witty because you always fall flat on your face.

May 23, 2014 at 3:11 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

You poor, dear, misguided, yoot.

May 23, 2014 at 3:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Nonsensical quips like that are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You're just talking out of your ass. You do that every time you can't come up with anything to say. You know you've been called out and cyber-smacked around, so you just try (and fail) at being witty.

May 23, 2014 at 3:18 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

Who has smacked me around? All you post are repeats of Alpo (the original liar). You've got no originality. I own your A$$. Who's your daddy?

May 23, 2014 at 3:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I'll take credit for smacking you around, TheSexOffenderJackDennis, but I'm not the only one. None of my posts are repeats. Prove that they are. I dare you, TheSexOffenderJackDennis.

No originality? Projecting much? You major in not having an original thought in that sick little brain of yours.

"I own your A$$. Who's your daddy?" I have a feeling this is part of your "flirting" repertoire with the underage girls you try to meet online, isn't it, TheSexOffenderJackDennis?

The ass-kickings I've given you are recorded on this site. Anyone that wishes to see the cyber-curb stompings you've received at my hand are welcome to check the archives. I'm not your daddy, you can just call me Sir.

May 23, 2014 at 3:29 p.m.
TheJackDennis said...

^^^ bwahahahha, you immature putz. For the sake of the other posters, I shall stop playing with you. Can I get an amen?

May 23, 2014 at 3:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Immature? This coming from the guy that's been charged with exploitation of a minor and indecent exposure? Are you starting to see how stupid and oblivious you sound?

"Playing with me"? Playing with yourself is what got you in trouble in the first place? Bwahahahahahahaha!

I'd run away too if I were you, TheSexOffenderJackDennis.

May 23, 2014 at 3:33 p.m.
SBrauer said...

How do you guys go from the cost of a college diploma to reaming out a sex offender, however rightly he may deserve it? You're all a$$ holes.

May 23, 2014 at 4:52 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"How about the G. I. Bill? How about the 'part-time job.' How about 'saving for your kids' education? There are plenty of ways other than loans. All of them are harder, but worth it in the long run."- prairie_dog

The cost of a college education has risen astronomically over the years, while wages have stagnated. Most part-time jobs pay minimum wage or $8/hr. And parents have less money to invest in savings funds of any kind. They are doing good just to make ends meet from one month to the next.

I'm 64. When I went to college I was able to pay my full 4 years tuition by working summers and part-time jobs while in school. Today, part-time jobs and even full-time summer jobs will barely make a dent in the cost of a college education, even at a public school. The price of an education has simply gotten too damn expensive. It's unconscionable that students should need such large loans in the first place and unconscionable that they should graduate from college burdened with so much debt.

An educated populace is in the best interests of the nation and should be made easily available to anyone wanting to better themselves. Instead students are being punished, with a double whammy - of outrageously high initial expense and then huge debt that hangs over them for a large portion of their adult lives.

May 23, 2014 at 5:44 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"...it would be a mistake to forgive student debt. That sends the wrong message." - AgentX

Forgiving the student debt, or at least reducing it significantly, would mean that these recently graduated students would be free to invest in things like home-buying, car-buying, starting up a business, maintaining a good credit rating, paying rent on time, putting food on the table, and in general putting more money back into the economy. Instead, there is over $1 trillion earmarked for enriching the banksters who took advantage of these students in the first place. And those banksters are doing NOTHING to enrich the economy. So what kind of message is being sent by insisting that these students pay every last cent of their loans? Our government and the powers-that-be are saying that it is better to enrich the already rich and maintain the status quo of a rigged system than it is to do the compassionate thing, which in this case, would also be the SMART thing, and reduce or eliminate the massive student debt.

May 23, 2014 at 7:27 p.m.
alprova said...

People seem to forget that what raised Japan out of the ashes was to coerce and even force, if you will, education on its citizens, which now allows them to compete globally for business.

Japan is a leading nation in bringing technology to the world, and a lesser emphasis is placed on manufacturing.

China could care less whether their people learn a thing, but how to assemble products.

It's sad, but the United States is no longer an example to the rest of the world how to run a nation. We lost that distinction when the Republicans came into power and began slowly selling piece after piece of this nation to Asia.

And Yes, I do blame Republicans for this, because the timeline fits. Reagan was a good leader, but a horrible steward for the middle class. He started the movement of wealth from many pockets to fewer ones.

An education is of no use if there are no jobs to fill, and it's about time for Americans to wake up and smell the coffee.

The focus every single one of our politicians should have their eyes on, are good paying, permanent jobs. They need to create an environment where job creators WANT to come back home and make investments in THIS country, whatever that may be.

May 23, 2014 at 8:20 p.m.
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