The bars are fine. You don't hear anything about CBC or Market st. Tavern do you? It's all about the clientele. It's obvious you haven't seen the problems that have been happening or you wouldn't say idiotic comments like that Lr103. People in the Loveman building lived there long before there were problems.
Haiku, you are talking about something totally different. Bad mouthing? Seriously? You need to see what's going on before you comment on it. You really have no idea.
Place needs to go. I work right across the street and it's killing our business, and I'm afraid it may end up killing one of our patrons too.
Ok people, time for an education. First, I'm a non-smoker, always have been. Second, I've worked in the service industry 20 years. The point of starting a business is to do what you love and make money doing it. Non-smokers tend to be healthier minded, which means they don't drink as much as smokers. To be honest, not near as much. Also, they're not as laid back as smokers. Which means they aren't always pleasant to serve. And hate to say it, but in general, smokers tip alot better than non-smokers. In other words, who wants to open bar where people don't drink that much, are kinda bitchy, and don't tip very well, thus leaving your staff morale low? To even bother posting something about how horrible smoking bars are really proves my point. Why bother? I'm a non-smoker who has had to listen to other non-smokers complain about this all the time. Get over yourselves.