.
"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
(snip)
......
"And then, right on schedule, in the days prior to the 2008 election, the GOP again hauled out their bogus ACORN "voter fraud" scam, as the latest battle"
Let me get this straight.....They did the speeches about it, planned it, but they didn't follow through, and it just happened anyway?
Come on guys, the GOP wrote the play book, published it, then it happened. You don't have to see the bear to know it is in the tree.
Liberty
The Latin words "Liber," "Libera," and "Liberum" -- with a Long I -- came from the root meaning, "to pour." From this, we get the word "Liberty"
http://www.westegg.com/etymology/
The idea, with its roots in English and Scottish political philosophy of the 18th century, speaks up for individual rights and freedoms, and challenges over-mighty government and other forms of power. In that sense, traditional English liberalism favoured small government—but, crucially, it viewed a government’s efforts to legislate religion and personal morality as sceptically as it regarded the attempt to regulate trade (the favoured economic intervention of the age). This, in our view, remains a very appealing, as well as internally consistent, kind of scepticism.
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/perspective/perspective-i-liberal/
"The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) indicates that the word liberal has long been in the English language with the meanings of "befitting free men, noble, generous" as in liberal arts; also with the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action", as in liberal with the purse, or liberal tongue, usually as a term of reproach but, beginning 1776–88 imbued with a more favorable sense by Edward Gibbon and others to mean "free from prejudice, tolerant."
(snip)
"The American War of Independence established the first nation to craft a constitution based on the concept of liberal government, especially the idea that governments rule by the consent of the governed."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061017085458AAL8zm9
conservative said...
BTW I have a complete understanding of what I am talking about as I just demonstrated.
You demonstrated that you will use words and twist them to make your justification for what you believe is truth. Just because someone believes differently than you does not a liar make. I do not see why you take the word "liberty" and make it bad in your eyes. Liberty has the same root word as liberal. But hey, free speech and all. I do not mind you being wrong, all day long.
AlmostAmanda said...
Conservative, you use the word "lieberal" because you are childish and cannot stand to show the most basic respect to anyone who dares to disagree with you. It's hardly what I would call Christian behavior. As for your blanket generalizations, they are just further proof of your own shameful ignorance.
I am not going to argue with someone unarmed. The church is a business. No question about that. This birth control thing is not about actually providing the birth control. It is about providing coverage on the insurance policy they have for their employees. Employees of a "business". I understand taxes allright. Yes, tithes have already been taxed,... or not, depending on the person's taxables. Things are double taxed all the time. It is taxed when earned, taxed when spent, then sometimes taxed when counted. And definately taxed with death. Taxing churches would NOT open all exempt entities to taxes, just the churches. It is coming, so whatever you need to do to prepare your church, you should. And it will be the christians that do it. Hide and watch. The christians will give up their tax status when they see that ALL religions get the same treatment, including the Flying Speghetti Monster, the muslim churches and schools, as well as any satanic churches, just to name a few. They will bite off their nose to spite their face.
And just so you know, there are a few churches that are for profit. Some claim to be non-profit, but make money. Some claim to make money from the get go. A particular church, (I think in Kansas), got upset that an athiest sign was close to their church. Turns out they owned the billboard so they had the sign taken down. Funny thing was they were not claiming the profit from the sign in their non profit exemption and got busted.
The real problem is that we want birth control coverage available to us...period. And people like you, that have absolutely no business in any decision regarding my or any other women's birth control, want to make decisions for the rest of us based on what you think is "the only correct way". You just don't get to make that decision for me.
You want to cover the erection, but not the protection.
CADMAN612 said...
Your constant stream of hate toward Christianity proves one thing–you most certainly do believe in Christ.
I do not understand your logic. What I do understand is that you are proclaiming your holy place as one who is waiting for evil. Therefore you see evil everywhere. Another thing I do not understand is how anyone can proclaim a love without wanting to know as much as possible about the person or god they love. All of the information available through biblical scholars again and again debunk your stance. So I think it is you that does not understand what love is. You can call a piece of wood metal, but it will not change the wood into metal. Just because someone reads the bible does not make them christian. No more than someone's constant stream of hate make them beleive in christ. I do not hear the hate from kkemeriat. I hear it from you. I have a feeling that kkermeriat could chew you up and spit you out regarding the bible, what it says, where it came from, and all the mistranslations. Blah blah blah
LOL I agree Con. Sometimes this forum gets the best of me. That is why I lay off of it sometimes. I think there are many "sayings" that are demeaning to women. I should have left it at that. But I think you will have to admit that you have been one of the worst for labeling without having an understanding of what you are talking. At least mine was labeled from "what I think" instead of your "liebrals". You call people liars when you have nothing, and selectively quote the bible. I make mistakes all the time. I don't mind that. I am open to the fact that I might be wrong, so I study and research. You look for others to screw up so you can call them names.
My twisted views of taxes are used every day in the business world. LOL But ok. I will keep my twisted views of taxes and you can think that tax exempt means they don't recieve or take any taxes. Tax exempt entities "take" tax dollars all the time. Sometimes, the exemption is a prerequisite to the grant, gift, contract, etc. It all boils down to tax susidies, exemptions, and whos pocket what goes in.
So basically a church does not pay taxes. The preacher does not pay taxes. The church and the preacher live off of other people's money, whether congragation or tax payer. The church uses federal or state dollars and grants to build bigger churches, schools, gymnasiums, etc, or to fund programs, such as the catholic health centers. And that is why they must follow the rules, they take other peoples money, whether in the form of a grant or gift, or in the form of a tax credit. If they only took money from their own, such as tithes, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I know I am generalizing. There are many good churches that do not fall in this generalization, but most do. And whether I am connected to a church or not is really none of your business. All people are human and we all make mistakes. It is how we learn. But if you want a civil conversation regarding meaningful issues, and you want to be taken seriously, you will have to change how you relate to people that don't think just like you do. You might start by stopping the labeling. Each time you cut someone else down, you do it to yourself. You know this and yet you continue to flap the air with hate. Why is that peepleeater?
FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said...
Tax exemption means they aren't taxed and therefore aren't taking tax dollars. Your argument was weak at best. I don't want to keep up with that kind of faux logic.
Then you really do not have an understanding of things, so your opinion is only half baked.
With your logic, those citizens not paying any taxes, like grandma and the disabled, are not being paid for by you and me. Can't have it both ways. Either you are or you are not, which is it?
Another Barack Obama stumble in the South
The GOP's ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Hoax
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=6500
. "I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." (snip) ...... "And then, right on schedule, in the days prior to the 2008 election, the GOP again hauled out their bogus ACORN "voter fraud" scam, as the latest battle"
Let me get this straight.....They did the speeches about it, planned it, but they didn't follow through, and it just happened anyway?
Come on guys, the GOP wrote the play book, published it, then it happened. You don't have to see the bear to know it is in the tree.
Suing for faith, freedom
conservative said... JustOneWoman....
Why can't you refute what I write?
Don't have to. You do it all by yourself.
Suing for faith, freedom
Liberty The Latin words "Liber," "Libera," and "Liberum" -- with a Long I -- came from the root meaning, "to pour." From this, we get the word "Liberty" http://www.westegg.com/etymology/
The idea, with its roots in English and Scottish political philosophy of the 18th century, speaks up for individual rights and freedoms, and challenges over-mighty government and other forms of power. In that sense, traditional English liberalism favoured small government—but, crucially, it viewed a government’s efforts to legislate religion and personal morality as sceptically as it regarded the attempt to regulate trade (the favoured economic intervention of the age). This, in our view, remains a very appealing, as well as internally consistent, kind of scepticism. http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/perspective/perspective-i-liberal/
"The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) indicates that the word liberal has long been in the English language with the meanings of "befitting free men, noble, generous" as in liberal arts; also with the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action", as in liberal with the purse, or liberal tongue, usually as a term of reproach but, beginning 1776–88 imbued with a more favorable sense by Edward Gibbon and others to mean "free from prejudice, tolerant." (snip) "The American War of Independence established the first nation to craft a constitution based on the concept of liberal government, especially the idea that governments rule by the consent of the governed." http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061017085458AAL8zm9
Suing for faith, freedom
conservative said... BTW I have a complete understanding of what I am talking about as I just demonstrated.
You demonstrated that you will use words and twist them to make your justification for what you believe is truth. Just because someone believes differently than you does not a liar make. I do not see why you take the word "liberty" and make it bad in your eyes. Liberty has the same root word as liberal. But hey, free speech and all. I do not mind you being wrong, all day long.
AlmostAmanda said... Conservative, you use the word "lieberal" because you are childish and cannot stand to show the most basic respect to anyone who dares to disagree with you. It's hardly what I would call Christian behavior. As for your blanket generalizations, they are just further proof of your own shameful ignorance.
Almost Amanda pegged you.
Suing for faith, freedom
I am not going to argue with someone unarmed. The church is a business. No question about that. This birth control thing is not about actually providing the birth control. It is about providing coverage on the insurance policy they have for their employees. Employees of a "business". I understand taxes allright. Yes, tithes have already been taxed,... or not, depending on the person's taxables. Things are double taxed all the time. It is taxed when earned, taxed when spent, then sometimes taxed when counted. And definately taxed with death. Taxing churches would NOT open all exempt entities to taxes, just the churches. It is coming, so whatever you need to do to prepare your church, you should. And it will be the christians that do it. Hide and watch. The christians will give up their tax status when they see that ALL religions get the same treatment, including the Flying Speghetti Monster, the muslim churches and schools, as well as any satanic churches, just to name a few. They will bite off their nose to spite their face.
And just so you know, there are a few churches that are for profit. Some claim to be non-profit, but make money. Some claim to make money from the get go. A particular church, (I think in Kansas), got upset that an athiest sign was close to their church. Turns out they owned the billboard so they had the sign taken down. Funny thing was they were not claiming the profit from the sign in their non profit exemption and got busted.
The real problem is that we want birth control coverage available to us...period. And people like you, that have absolutely no business in any decision regarding my or any other women's birth control, want to make decisions for the rest of us based on what you think is "the only correct way". You just don't get to make that decision for me.
You want to cover the erection, but not the protection.
'God's word being ignored' and other letters to the editor
CADMAN612 said... Your constant stream of hate toward Christianity proves one thing–you most certainly do believe in Christ.
I do not understand your logic. What I do understand is that you are proclaiming your holy place as one who is waiting for evil. Therefore you see evil everywhere. Another thing I do not understand is how anyone can proclaim a love without wanting to know as much as possible about the person or god they love. All of the information available through biblical scholars again and again debunk your stance. So I think it is you that does not understand what love is. You can call a piece of wood metal, but it will not change the wood into metal. Just because someone reads the bible does not make them christian. No more than someone's constant stream of hate make them beleive in christ. I do not hear the hate from kkemeriat. I hear it from you. I have a feeling that kkermeriat could chew you up and spit you out regarding the bible, what it says, where it came from, and all the mistranslations. Blah blah blah
Another Barack Obama stumble in the South
I wonder if there was any of this?
Romney Supporters Caught Stuffing Ballots At The Arizona GOP Convention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101730184
Suing for faith, freedom
LOL I agree Con. Sometimes this forum gets the best of me. That is why I lay off of it sometimes. I think there are many "sayings" that are demeaning to women. I should have left it at that. But I think you will have to admit that you have been one of the worst for labeling without having an understanding of what you are talking. At least mine was labeled from "what I think" instead of your "liebrals". You call people liars when you have nothing, and selectively quote the bible. I make mistakes all the time. I don't mind that. I am open to the fact that I might be wrong, so I study and research. You look for others to screw up so you can call them names.
Suing for faith, freedom
My twisted views of taxes are used every day in the business world. LOL But ok. I will keep my twisted views of taxes and you can think that tax exempt means they don't recieve or take any taxes. Tax exempt entities "take" tax dollars all the time. Sometimes, the exemption is a prerequisite to the grant, gift, contract, etc. It all boils down to tax susidies, exemptions, and whos pocket what goes in.
So basically a church does not pay taxes. The preacher does not pay taxes. The church and the preacher live off of other people's money, whether congragation or tax payer. The church uses federal or state dollars and grants to build bigger churches, schools, gymnasiums, etc, or to fund programs, such as the catholic health centers. And that is why they must follow the rules, they take other peoples money, whether in the form of a grant or gift, or in the form of a tax credit. If they only took money from their own, such as tithes, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I know I am generalizing. There are many good churches that do not fall in this generalization, but most do. And whether I am connected to a church or not is really none of your business. All people are human and we all make mistakes. It is how we learn. But if you want a civil conversation regarding meaningful issues, and you want to be taken seriously, you will have to change how you relate to people that don't think just like you do. You might start by stopping the labeling. Each time you cut someone else down, you do it to yourself. You know this and yet you continue to flap the air with hate. Why is that peepleeater?
Suing for faith, freedom
FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said... Tax exemption means they aren't taxed and therefore aren't taking tax dollars. Your argument was weak at best. I don't want to keep up with that kind of faux logic.
Then you really do not have an understanding of things, so your opinion is only half baked.
With your logic, those citizens not paying any taxes, like grandma and the disabled, are not being paid for by you and me. Can't have it both ways. Either you are or you are not, which is it?