Well said, for years people have been misusing the “church and state” clause to push whatever their agenda may be. If you read the letters that originated the concept it clearly has a point, it’s a shame some have to distort the meaning just to force people to believe as they do.
"Religion is based upon ignorance and superstition."
The age-old rebuttal, if I don't agree with it or understand how others believe in it, then it must be based in ignorance or superstition. Well to believe in a higher purpose or in divine guidance must be abhorrent to you, I guess believing in nothing much help you deal with all your woes. I guess not having something to guide your morals and values are just wrong I suppose having no values or moral’s works better for our societies. I wonder what the world would look like if everyone had nothing to believe in to help guide them through life?
"Then why do we think that schools should permit the fostering of religious belief or indoctrination? The same standards should apply."
Yes, not leaching morals and values has worked out well in our public school system. We see every day how students are not able to cope and turn to antisocial behavior to deal with their frustrations. How is having a sense of purpose, a belief we must help one another and not harm each other or having morals and values bad for our schools. It's not like having a prayer, wearing a symbol or sharing a belief is going to cause physical or mental harm to someone. Having someone forced or coerced to participate in religious teachings would be indoctrination but a slight exposure to religion isn't going to cause their minds to collapse. If a slight exposure was going to cause permanent harm then these people should stay at home and not view any type of media for fear they would see something with religious implications. Maybe they should be diligent to remove any reference to religion from their homes including calendars, coins, currency and even books to prevent accidental exposure.
"Religion is not taught in public schools because religion is a false world view. "It seems a majority of the world has its own religion so this statement is quite false.
"Christianity in American can be easily be demonstrated to be manipulative, controlling and inaccurate, it has no business being in the school at any venue." We can say the same thing about politics, mass media and our justice system, they are manipulative, controlling, inaccurate in many ways.
So what happens when if this team faces a faith based private school? How will people react to seeing a team has a prayer before the game starts or perhaps religious symbols on the helmets or jerseys? What about viewing a banner with an inspirational message rooted in faith. How will these ‘nutty’ people feel if the teams name or even the mascot had some religious overtones? Will these peoples heads explode if they are exposed to such things or will they just choose not to attend? It’s time our society grows up and learns to cope with some exposure to religion or faith-based messages it’s been a part of our lives since the founding of the country. The way some people overreact to religion you would think it was a grand scheme to subvert our country into value and moral behaviors. Someone needs to explain to me how they survived all these years with exposure to Christmas, St Patrick’s day, Chanukah, Easter to name a few. These are celebrated every year, you see it in advertisements, television shows, in printed media and in communities how are these people able to avoid being deluged with religion and survive? I think it’s time for people to grow up, wise up and stop all the nonsense about fearing churches are going to take over our society and bring back the Inquisitions. I wish these people will stop perverting the expression “Church and State” as well. The idea was rooted in protecting states from being run by religion and States sponsoring religion. If we followed Thomas Jefferson’s reflections then the government could not establish any faith-based holiday’s or declare them a national holiday.
It we are to use the expression of “church and State” then it should be administered in it’s completed or not at all, this pick and choose when and where to enforce it doesn’t seem rational.
Cheerleaders’ religious signs draw fire
Bigdaddybk,
Well said, for years people have been misusing the “church and state” clause to push whatever their agenda may be. If you read the letters that originated the concept it clearly has a point, it’s a shame some have to distort the meaning just to force people to believe as they do.
Cheerleaders’ religious signs draw fire
"Religion is based upon ignorance and superstition." The age-old rebuttal, if I don't agree with it or understand how others believe in it, then it must be based in ignorance or superstition. Well to believe in a higher purpose or in divine guidance must be abhorrent to you, I guess believing in nothing much help you deal with all your woes. I guess not having something to guide your morals and values are just wrong I suppose having no values or moral’s works better for our societies. I wonder what the world would look like if everyone had nothing to believe in to help guide them through life?
"Then why do we think that schools should permit the fostering of religious belief or indoctrination? The same standards should apply." Yes, not leaching morals and values has worked out well in our public school system. We see every day how students are not able to cope and turn to antisocial behavior to deal with their frustrations. How is having a sense of purpose, a belief we must help one another and not harm each other or having morals and values bad for our schools. It's not like having a prayer, wearing a symbol or sharing a belief is going to cause physical or mental harm to someone. Having someone forced or coerced to participate in religious teachings would be indoctrination but a slight exposure to religion isn't going to cause their minds to collapse. If a slight exposure was going to cause permanent harm then these people should stay at home and not view any type of media for fear they would see something with religious implications. Maybe they should be diligent to remove any reference to religion from their homes including calendars, coins, currency and even books to prevent accidental exposure.
"Religion is not taught in public schools because religion is a false world view. "It seems a majority of the world has its own religion so this statement is quite false. "Christianity in American can be easily be demonstrated to be manipulative, controlling and inaccurate, it has no business being in the school at any venue." We can say the same thing about politics, mass media and our justice system, they are manipulative, controlling, inaccurate in many ways.
Cheerleaders’ religious signs draw fire
So what happens when if this team faces a faith based private school? How will people react to seeing a team has a prayer before the game starts or perhaps religious symbols on the helmets or jerseys? What about viewing a banner with an inspirational message rooted in faith. How will these ‘nutty’ people feel if the teams name or even the mascot had some religious overtones? Will these peoples heads explode if they are exposed to such things or will they just choose not to attend? It’s time our society grows up and learns to cope with some exposure to religion or faith-based messages it’s been a part of our lives since the founding of the country. The way some people overreact to religion you would think it was a grand scheme to subvert our country into value and moral behaviors. Someone needs to explain to me how they survived all these years with exposure to Christmas, St Patrick’s day, Chanukah, Easter to name a few. These are celebrated every year, you see it in advertisements, television shows, in printed media and in communities how are these people able to avoid being deluged with religion and survive? I think it’s time for people to grow up, wise up and stop all the nonsense about fearing churches are going to take over our society and bring back the Inquisitions. I wish these people will stop perverting the expression “Church and State” as well. The idea was rooted in protecting states from being run by religion and States sponsoring religion. If we followed Thomas Jefferson’s reflections then the government could not establish any faith-based holiday’s or declare them a national holiday. It we are to use the expression of “church and State” then it should be administered in it’s completed or not at all, this pick and choose when and where to enforce it doesn’t seem rational.