Librul said -
"Socialist movements provide solutions for such situations that revolve around recognizing the humanity in all people"
Please show me an example of a socialist solution that you are proud of?
Socialism recognizing humanity? socialism necessarily suppresses the individual and forces the individual to be part of the collective. Is that recognizing humanity or denigrating it? By definition socialism seeks to suppress the will of the individual and coerce them into accepting the will of the state.
Ask the Jews of Germany or the Kulaks of Russia how human they felt in camps and transit prisons. Those are a couple of examples of socialist solutions.
Rickaroo (1:47) - "capitalism without the necessary government restraints morphs into fascism, like we have increasingly here. That is why government is necessary."
How does too little government "morph" into fascism? It doesn't. By definition too little government is anarchy.
no one including Milton Friedman ever says that government isn't necessary. No economic system can survive without a framework of law.
Nazi Germany came to being as a result of the German Historical School that had its roots in the time of Bismarck. The popular doctrines then were based in a belief in collectivism and central planning (like you advocate). Only ever growing, concentration of power in the hands of government can lead to fascism. People like you believe in central planning but grow frustrated with the slow pace of progress in democratic processes. The result is that people like you cry out for a strong leader to get things done.
my evidence -
Tell me please: what exactly are the "heavy-handed socialistic policies" you advocate that will "turn things around" that you refer to?
Don't you think Hitler's supporters were saying the same kinds of things that you are at first? Read FA Hayek - The Road to Serfdom"
aae, you are so correct and that is the exactly what we discovered: the offering of our tax money to developers and corporations is universally opposed regardless of political ideology. I have research from the John Birch society all the way to the NEA that all perfectly agree on the negative effects of tools like TIF and PILOT.
One of the very best single resources I have on TIF and redevelopment for people to read to come up to speed is a PDF from a former California State rep. Chris Norby called "Redevelopment; The Unknown Government".
I point everyone to that publication. I hope we can all meet someday very soon around this most important issue. It is exciting to see people come alive about this in Chattanooga.
Until Helen B.S. came along, most people never knew there was something like an IDB. If they really understood its origin, organization and purpose, they would be horrified.
Good work aae on keeping us informed. I am glad you are going to these meetings of the IDB. Just a few years ago no one ever knew there was anything called an industrial development board.
How can we continue to support one another in getting the word out?
Is there a website we can post locally? Are you organizing in-person meetings?
Ike said -
"So, aae: the Jews in my family aren't citizens? Are they allowed to run for office?"
In this oppressive Christian Theocracy we have here in America, the Jews have it very rough, don't they Ike? Let me ask you: What nation(s) is it better for the Jew than in America today? Atheist Russia? Moslem Iran? How about the Ukraine? Would you counsel them to all go back to Europe?
Let's face it: On America's worst day, it is better for a Jew, Black, Hispanic, White, oriental, etc... here than ANY other nation on earth period. Do you deny that?
"At the end of the day, money talks, and the company will likely build the car at the location that offers the best combination of government sweeteners and trade advantages."
Wacker, Amazon, Whirlpool, Hemlock, Electrolux, VW, etc... all in PILOT programs, all not paying into our tax base while consuming massive services. Hamilton County added $42 million in debt "year over year". How is that for the economic impact of VW on our area Mr. Kennedy?
"And don't be overly concerned by recent reports of slumping year-over-year Passat sales. Family sedan sales are notoriously cyclical and usually peak near the middle of a five-year product cycle. A promised freshening of the Passat's design next year should help boost sales until a more substantial redesign arrives in a couple of years."
Isn't the "middle of a five-year product cycle" 2 1/2 years? We have now been selling the Passat for 2 years of that supposed cycle and sales are already tanking and you are telling us not to be "overly concerned" about OUR investment that our government should have never made?
good job. Keep reminding people of what happened in Pennsylvania.
Is it not amazing that the same people who claim that we cannot control our sexual desires at the same time claim that man has the power and responsibility to control the climate?
Sharon Guy said (and not the Bible) - "God is in charge of deciding human destiny. Who do you think you are to meddle in the destiny of others?"
The idea of a personal destiny is fatalism which is a philosophy that comes from paganism and is no where taught in the Bible. God has put your future in your hands and in your hands alone. Maybe you don't like the freedom that God gave to man to make his own choices but it cannot be denied.
What the liberal critic really doesn't like is the responsibility and consequences that come from man's choices. When one makes a claim of destiny, it is very easy to push all blame onto God Himself, is it not?
Plato, I am not calling you a liar. However, you just repeated the greatest liberal lie in the entire healthcare debate in your statement:
"not funding Medicaid and sending people to the ERs"
I believe your numbers on Erlanger's losses but you believe that the uninsured flood the emergency rooms and then don't pay. That is factually incorrect. Medicaid drives people to the emergency room !!!
Don't believe me. Don't believe Ayn Rand. Don't believe Tea Party Patriots. How about a study by Harvard in the state of Oregon:
90,000 people. 30,000 were given medicaid by lottery. The results: the 30,000 with medicaid went to the ER 40% more than the other 60,000!!!
Medicaid expansion will drive even more to Erlanger, the price caps force the hospital to operate at a loss on each and every patient.
Erlanger's financial results will get even worse the more you expand medicaid.
Again, go back to my rent control example in NYC if you want to see the future.
Here is the link to the study:
BTW, how can you make the claim with certainty that the uninsured don't pay anything? Any documentation? If you have info, I would like to see it.
I know nothing of Ayn Rand.
My problem is this once again: "it's a huge benefit to the states".
You cannot have a benefit without cost. Whether the benefit comes directly from Washington to us or it comes through two layers (federal and then state) the ultimate costs rest on us directly in taxation. Liberals do not understand this one principle: government spending IS taxation. When they spend, you are taxed. If you are not taxed enough directly, then borrowing and printing makes up the difference which drives inflation which acts as a tax as well.
You are right about one thing for sure: I am a total fool by your definition. I e-mail my local politicians often about them running our state, counties and cities using so-called federal dollars. Haslam has mastered the art of coming to town with a new state or federal grant in his hand for the local mayor to show off. The results are huge increases in debt and massive growth in local government almost universally which we will leave to our kids.
I am a fool because I absolutely and consistently say "turn it down"!! If you really care about those who need healthcare, offer to pay someones bill at a walk-in clinic. it might sooth your conscience.
The more we legislate rights, it is those very things that start as universal rights that become the object of allocation programs due to scarcity of resources.
Did Ayn Rand say all that?