skyditch: Why do you automatically assume I'm part of the Tea Party and listen to Rush Limbaugh? I'm a moderate Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008. I cannot stand Rush Limbaugh. I was not a supporter of the war in Iraq. I do understand that at the time Iraq was a political necessity. The feelings from 9/11 had not worn off, an election was approaching, and people on both sides of the aisle did not want to look weak on national security issues. What's done is done and now we have to salvage the situation we are given and unfortunently Democrats have failed to do that. I had extremely high hopes when Obama came into office after 8 years of Bush but it's been a disappointment.
I agree that important things have been funded by our government. Research and development conducted through government agencies is an important part of our society. However, government should not serve as an investment bank or venture capitalist. Do I want my tax dollars be used to research a cure for HIV/AIDS? Absolutely. Do I want my tax dollars used so that the government can be a shareholder in a corporation? Absolutely not. The former has societal benefits and the latter leads us down the road of crony capitalism and perahps worse. GM did pay the government back but the U.S. Treasury Department still has a 33% shareholder stake. So now the government is acting as an investor and profiting off and directing a company which it also takes taxes from?
I'm not even sure what you are referring to when you say that ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law. I totally agree. If this happened to me and Erlanger informed me of the law, then I would not be outraged at Erlanger. I would be more disappointed in the creators of the law in Nashville.
Please show me evidence where any type of single payer system or governmet-run healthcare is better than the system that we currently have. Do you see people in the United States heading to Canada, Cuba, Britain, or Venezuela (just a cross-section of those using single-payer systems) for surgery? No, in fact, it is just the opposite. People from those counties come here for surgery because of the high quality of our healthcare system and because of it's ability to get things done quickly. You want to wait a couple years for bypass surgery? Head to Canada.
As for your claim that I will be priced out of healthcare some day I find this very unlikely. A mixed economy will always self-correct. If one carrier's prices are too high, people will moved to a more moderately priced carrier. People will always find ways to create a cheaper product and as a result the market will self-correct. I, unlike you, have the ability to recognize that in our type of economy, there will always be those that lose. It's an unfortunante side effect, but our poorest poor are wealthy compared with the world's poor.
skyditch: If you cannot afford the health care provided by your employer then drop the coverage and go shopping for a different carrier. The beauty of the open market is that there is more than one option to choose from. I'm sure there are plenty of insurers happy to have your business.
Taking you at your word regarding laws concerning the abuse of corpses, the laws of the state are conflicting at best. Why should Erlanger be held accountable for the lack of clarity regarding state laws? They did what the state told them to do if and when this instance presented itself. If you want a change, then call your representative in Nashville.
You simply stating "HEALTH CARE COMPANIES ARE THE OVERHEAD" does not prove your point. You clearly do not understand how the healthcare industry works and the cost structures that are built into it.
As for the lobbying efforts of the industry, the political reality is that there are always going to be influences on government from the private sector. There always has been and there always will be. If some are better at it than others, then so be it.
Iraq is a part of our current debt but it certainly isn't the root cause. Unchecked government spending is. You think it was a good idea to give Solyndra billions of dollars of your tax money? Or perhaps GM was a good investment? I have no problem with the government spending my tax dollars as long as it is done in a prudent manner. What I do have a problem with is when my tax dollars are used to subsidize investments that have little to no ability to produce a return.
I have no control over the decision of someone else to have a child. However, in having that child, they should not expect me to pay for that child through government assistance. Having a child is a large responsbility. If you are not willing to accept that responsbility, then don't have a child. Abstinance, birth control, and abortions are all viable options. I would much rather have the government use my tax dollars to subsidize a prescription for birth control that have to support a child for the rest of their life.
newfedup: So a "concerned lawyer with a social conscious" should "sues E [sic] until it goes out of existence" for following a law created by the State of Tennessee? Did Erlanger create the law that they are obligated to follow?
eastridge8: Where does compassion enter into the discussion? It is clear what the law calls for and Erlanger followed the law. If they had not followed the law and were fined or prosectued, was this mother going to show compassion for Erlanger and pay that fine herself or perhaps indeminify herself? Of course not.
skyditch: Did I ever mention sterilization or euthenasia? People are free to do as they wish, I just have no desire to pay for the negative consequences of someone else's actions. The reason health care is so expensive is not because of obsence profit but because of high overhead costs that health care companies cannot avoid. Doctors must pay incredibly high premiums on malpractice insurance because the tort system goes totally unchecked. That high cost gets passed on to you. Does GE really need to charge X million dollars for machinery that a hospital needs to give effective care to patients? No, but the eqipment is necessary to provide you with complete care so that cost gets passed on to you. Health care corporations are private companies that provide a service. They have to make a profit in order to survive. If people don't like it, then they can drop the insurance. That's how a mixed economy works.
Nice tact with the Catholic joke. It really adds legitimacy to your argument.
Iraq has nothing to do with healthcare or the discussion at hand. I suggest you look up the meaning of "ad hominem."
So those asking for "empathy," do you expect Erlanger to just break start state laws so easily? So when the state levies a fine because the law was broken and the price of health care goes up because Erlanger needs to offset the loss, how "empathetic" will you feel then? You'll be the same people on here complaining that healthcare is too expensive. Like mrredskin said, she can't afford a funeral but she was going to have the money to pay the hospital bill and raise the child? When your taxes are raised higher and higher because you the taxpayer decided to be "empathetic" towards this woman and supported her through what would likely be government assistance, don't come complaining about how much the goverment is taking out of your paycheck. You have no one to blame but yourself.