The problem with regulation is you easily see the cost but the benefit is hidden. Ask any mother who did NOT take thalidomide during a pregnancy or anyone who did NOT get E. Coli OX:159 sepsis or anyone who did NOT get polio how they feel about regulations of the FDA, state health departments/food inspectors and the like. Ask anyone who DID get all their monies back when their bank collapsed and they WILL tell you they like the FDIC very much, thank you.
For me, I care not one whit about "childish behavior". I DO care about a presidential contender who cannot apparently understand this was bullying as he giggles while discussing it today, I DO care about giving the reins of power to corporatists who "enjoy firing people".
If you're listening Gov. Romney (doubtful), take two hours on a Saturday night and read Barbara Enrenreich's Nickled and Dimed while just sitting in a hospital emergency room in any inner city of your choice. Tell us again how more than 1 in 7 of our citizens are poor because they do not work hard enough (US Census data, Sept 2011: over 46 million below Fed. poverty line of $22,350 per year for a family of four). Most of us (58.7% per Census data) will spend at least one year in poverty between age 25 and 75.
Poverty sucks the life out of people and stunts growth and brain development. Those of us who can pay more and fight not to do it are tainted by our actions and yes, Ward Churchill, responsible in part for these outcomes.
Whether we taunt our schoolmates for being different, walk by the homeless without a thought, revere the 'job creators' and not the workers or strangle newborn babies in their crib, it's all the same thing. It's just a matter of degree. [George Bernard Shaw famously guipped: GBS: Madam, will you sleep with me for 1,000 pounds? Woman: Yes. GBS: How about 10 quid? Woman: What do you think I am, a hussy! GBS: We have already determined what you are. I am just negotiating the price.]
Whether my group, my tribe, my race or whatever, I DO care about raising myself up by putting others down and by standing upon them. Gov. Romney did that as a child and apparently does that as an adult. For THAT, I do not trust him to lead all of us to a better place.
"Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." {Matt 25:45]
Can anyone tell me what the Republicans plan to DO if Romney is elected to the presidency?
I hear a lot of "vote for me and I will fix the economy" and "the failed Obama presidency" talk but not much DETAIL about steps to take to fix things. This is reminiscent of a prior president's "secret plan to end the war" [in Vietnam].
The Ryan (now Ryan-Romney) budget suggests cuts will be made to reduce the deficit but no specific cuts are mentioned.
Gov. Romney has a track record in business but I am not sure it translates to driving the US economy. He made a great deal of his money at Bain Capital by buying up shaky companies and squeezing them either back into shape or into oblivion. Outsourcing jobs overseas may reduce your new company's bottom line but what do we send overseas? Alabama? Connecticut? Utah?
@joneses: "Actually I think it a waste of time and effort to even be discussing something as irrelevant as evolution."
As a doctor, I believe evolution is HIGHLY relevant every time I need to treat a drug resistant infection. These germs EVOLVED to fight against our antibiotics. If you get TB in New York City, you stand a real change of having an UNTREATABLE disease (Google "XDRTB"). Lebanon, Tennessee was the site of an outbreak of hypercommunicable tuberculosis (17 people waiting for a hamburger got the infection after a 10 minute exposure to one sick person). Now, if these two genetic instructions COMBINE, we will be back in the 1880's in our treatment of tuberculosis. You can also be scared if you wish by MRSA or VRE if you want to check these acronyms out. All are the result of evolution in the microbial world. If you value human life, evolution MATTERS.
@shifarobe: "You could get your dog to be a voter their."
Perhaps, but I'd love to see you try to get the registered dog to vote!
If you want to see democracy in action, go to a Vermont town meeting. Everyone is invited and the assembled citizens decide about town priorities from potholes to people. Happens each year.
Limbaugh had no need to apologize.
POOR, POOR Georgetown law student
whining about all the poor law
students having to spend as much as
$1000 a school year on protection.
LOL. You people are cracked. How
AMAZINGLY EMBARRASSING to get up
before Congress and talk about how
much sex you NEED to have and about
the high cost of protection. CLOSE
YOUR LEGS, Skank!
Why you hate over half the population escapes me but I will not dwell on that.
I will, however, try to insert some truth into this discussion and reinforce a point Ms. Fluke was trying to make: IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SEX! Contraception, including oral, topical, intravaginal and intrauterine products is useful for many conditions troubling women who remain completely abstinent. These include but are not limited to:
I am sorry if you are troubled when these products also prevent a pregnancy. Giving women control over the size of their family also profoundly helps poverty and malnutrition, REDUCES abortion and allows women to more fully recover from rigors of pregnancy instead of just being 'breeders'.
Giving equal time to men, Viagra (in different dosages) also is used for HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) and pulmonary hypertension.
As I am a resident of Virginia, I will leave the forum with only one further question to ponder: if the new ultrasound law mandates a procedure a woman does not request and the doctor does not wish to do, should we send the bill to the State Legislature? If so, is this the best use of limited health care dollars?
Sorry, nooga/BRP et al. Rising gas prices are no more the fault of President Obama than the rain is. Is he (notice I did not capitalize 'He'--I do not worship the man or his 'theology') building a nuclear capability in the Middle East? Is he threatening to close the strait of Hormuz? Is he raising the standard of living or the numbers of people who wish cars and fuel to drive them in China, India and Brazil? I do not object to caution when we talk about Canadian tar sands or natural gas fracking--I for one do not wish to trade any source of energy for my only source of water since last I looked I do not drink oil.
Barack Obama is not the Antichrist, a Muslim Socialist or the root of all evil. He is a man in a nice office but still just a man who puts on his pants one leg at a time and seeks to do his best in a difficult job.
JonRoss: You have been taking a lot of fire during this exchange. Sadly, some of it is deserved. Permit me to quote your post from yesterday:
Nope, never been in jail. Never went whoring around and expected The Church of Obama to pay for my birth control or baby killing. Never expected Obama to pay for my cheerens food after the rent has been spent on crack or cable. Never asked Obama to pay for my children's upbringing because the baby daddy done hooked up with another hoe. Never demanded that Obama pay for my college education.
Just when and where does it end, dude ?? Are we to just have our paychecks sent directly to Mr. Obama and then let him return to us, according to our own needs ? Seizing the healtcare options of 330 million people to solve a problem for 30 million so as to permit the Obama regime to rule by whim just ain't going to work for most of us.
I will only briefly mention the racist subtext of the first part of this post. The implicit assumption in a string of color words (whoring, rent spent on crack/cable, baby daddy, hoe) is the majority of monies spent on our safety net goes to undeserving blacks. Please put the dog whistle down.
I have a bigger problem with the second section. 'Seizing the options of 330 million to solve a problem for 30 million' suggests these are different groups. When we treat health care as a privilege, we all suffer: the decision to treat the emergence of HIV disease as a gay plague affecting "others" opened the door to entry of AIDS into the heterosexual community (that would be us). In turn, the incubator of AIDS allowed the emergence of XDRTB (multiply drug resistant tuberculosis), a disease which threatens us all. When a person without access to health care goes to an emergency room, he gets a modicum of health care but only at the highest possible cost. This cost is not borne by the poor who visit the ER--they are, after all, poor--but by us.
Thus, the ACA actually reduces our costs and improves our health even if we never use any of it.
Deregulation
The problem with regulation is you easily see the cost but the benefit is hidden. Ask any mother who did NOT take thalidomide during a pregnancy or anyone who did NOT get E. Coli OX:159 sepsis or anyone who did NOT get polio how they feel about regulations of the FDA, state health departments/food inspectors and the like. Ask anyone who DID get all their monies back when their bank collapsed and they WILL tell you they like the FDIC very much, thank you.
The Haircut
For me, I care not one whit about "childish behavior". I DO care about a presidential contender who cannot apparently understand this was bullying as he giggles while discussing it today, I DO care about giving the reins of power to corporatists who "enjoy firing people".
If you're listening Gov. Romney (doubtful), take two hours on a Saturday night and read Barbara Enrenreich's Nickled and Dimed while just sitting in a hospital emergency room in any inner city of your choice. Tell us again how more than 1 in 7 of our citizens are poor because they do not work hard enough (US Census data, Sept 2011: over 46 million below Fed. poverty line of $22,350 per year for a family of four). Most of us (58.7% per Census data) will spend at least one year in poverty between age 25 and 75.
Poverty sucks the life out of people and stunts growth and brain development. Those of us who can pay more and fight not to do it are tainted by our actions and yes, Ward Churchill, responsible in part for these outcomes.
Whether we taunt our schoolmates for being different, walk by the homeless without a thought, revere the 'job creators' and not the workers or strangle newborn babies in their crib, it's all the same thing. It's just a matter of degree. [George Bernard Shaw famously guipped: GBS: Madam, will you sleep with me for 1,000 pounds? Woman: Yes. GBS: How about 10 quid? Woman: What do you think I am, a hussy! GBS: We have already determined what you are. I am just negotiating the price.]
Whether my group, my tribe, my race or whatever, I DO care about raising myself up by putting others down and by standing upon them. Gov. Romney did that as a child and apparently does that as an adult. For THAT, I do not trust him to lead all of us to a better place.
"Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me." {Matt 25:45]
Likability
Can anyone tell me what the Republicans plan to DO if Romney is elected to the presidency?
I hear a lot of "vote for me and I will fix the economy" and "the failed Obama presidency" talk but not much DETAIL about steps to take to fix things. This is reminiscent of a prior president's "secret plan to end the war" [in Vietnam].
The Ryan (now Ryan-Romney) budget suggests cuts will be made to reduce the deficit but no specific cuts are mentioned.
Gov. Romney has a track record in business but I am not sure it translates to driving the US economy. He made a great deal of his money at Bain Capital by buying up shaky companies and squeezing them either back into shape or into oblivion. Outsourcing jobs overseas may reduce your new company's bottom line but what do we send overseas? Alabama? Connecticut? Utah?
The devil is indeed in the details.
The Exception
Mr. Bennett's attack is on inconsistency or, dare I say it, hypocrisy.
The Textbook
@joneses: "Actually I think it a waste of time and effort to even be discussing something as irrelevant as evolution."
As a doctor, I believe evolution is HIGHLY relevant every time I need to treat a drug resistant infection. These germs EVOLVED to fight against our antibiotics. If you get TB in New York City, you stand a real change of having an UNTREATABLE disease (Google "XDRTB"). Lebanon, Tennessee was the site of an outbreak of hypercommunicable tuberculosis (17 people waiting for a hamburger got the infection after a 10 minute exposure to one sick person). Now, if these two genetic instructions COMBINE, we will be back in the 1880's in our treatment of tuberculosis. You can also be scared if you wish by MRSA or VRE if you want to check these acronyms out. All are the result of evolution in the microbial world. If you value human life, evolution MATTERS.
Good Luck
@shifarobe: "You could get your dog to be a voter their."
Perhaps, but I'd love to see you try to get the registered dog to vote!
If you want to see democracy in action, go to a Vermont town meeting. Everyone is invited and the assembled citizens decide about town priorities from potholes to people. Happens each year.
Limbaugh
Shifarobe:
Why you hate over half the population escapes me but I will not dwell on that.
I will, however, try to insert some truth into this discussion and reinforce a point Ms. Fluke was trying to make: IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SEX! Contraception, including oral, topical, intravaginal and intrauterine products is useful for many conditions troubling women who remain completely abstinent. These include but are not limited to:
Acne PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome) Dysmenorrhea (wickedly painful periods) Dysfunctional uterine bleeding Hypermenorrhea (heavy uterine bleeding) PMDD (Premenstrual dysphoric disorder) Rape
I am sorry if you are troubled when these products also prevent a pregnancy. Giving women control over the size of their family also profoundly helps poverty and malnutrition, REDUCES abortion and allows women to more fully recover from rigors of pregnancy instead of just being 'breeders'.
Giving equal time to men, Viagra (in different dosages) also is used for HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) and pulmonary hypertension.
As I am a resident of Virginia, I will leave the forum with only one further question to ponder: if the new ultrasound law mandates a procedure a woman does not request and the doctor does not wish to do, should we send the bill to the State Legislature? If so, is this the best use of limited health care dollars?
Brainwashing
46.12% of all statistics are made up...like this one.
Gas Prices
Sorry, nooga/BRP et al. Rising gas prices are no more the fault of President Obama than the rain is. Is he (notice I did not capitalize 'He'--I do not worship the man or his 'theology') building a nuclear capability in the Middle East? Is he threatening to close the strait of Hormuz? Is he raising the standard of living or the numbers of people who wish cars and fuel to drive them in China, India and Brazil? I do not object to caution when we talk about Canadian tar sands or natural gas fracking--I for one do not wish to trade any source of energy for my only source of water since last I looked I do not drink oil.
Barack Obama is not the Antichrist, a Muslim Socialist or the root of all evil. He is a man in a nice office but still just a man who puts on his pants one leg at a time and seeks to do his best in a difficult job.
Birth Control
JonRoss: You have been taking a lot of fire during this exchange. Sadly, some of it is deserved. Permit me to quote your post from yesterday:
I will only briefly mention the racist subtext of the first part of this post. The implicit assumption in a string of color words (whoring, rent spent on crack/cable, baby daddy, hoe) is the majority of monies spent on our safety net goes to undeserving blacks. Please put the dog whistle down.
I have a bigger problem with the second section. 'Seizing the options of 330 million to solve a problem for 30 million' suggests these are different groups. When we treat health care as a privilege, we all suffer: the decision to treat the emergence of HIV disease as a gay plague affecting "others" opened the door to entry of AIDS into the heterosexual community (that would be us). In turn, the incubator of AIDS allowed the emergence of XDRTB (multiply drug resistant tuberculosis), a disease which threatens us all. When a person without access to health care goes to an emergency room, he gets a modicum of health care but only at the highest possible cost. This cost is not borne by the poor who visit the ER--they are, after all, poor--but by us.
Thus, the ACA actually reduces our costs and improves our health even if we never use any of it.