The real result has been the NRA doubling down, and hysterically insisting that not only can we not discuss anything in the wake of this tragedy, that if anything it done, it should be what they want instead.
NED NETTERVILLE, it is a criminal offense, when it's demonstrably criminal. Here's the thing, it's not always that clear, and sometimes the disagreement is just a matter of policy. If we start locking people up just because your priorities don't match up, then that's a sure route to tyranny.
Do you even realize that? There's a reason why treason is very specifically defined in the Constitution.
GARY SMITH, may whatever Deity you worship help you to realize the pernicious agenda which you are supporting, one that seeks to use the call of the Almighty for its own benefit.
AVERY MCKINNEY, probably because some of us realize that serving the people matters more than cutting spending in the name of saving money. Probably because we recognize how it actually has a net gain in terms of benefit.
JAMES O. B. WRIGHT, sorry, they're too busy looking in the sand for something.
DOREEN DAVIS, except the people you so laud won't start new businesses if they can't make money, and where is that going to come from if it's all in the hands of the wealthy? Or what if the society they need to engage in their business ideas doesn't exist?
See you seem to think that government spending just goes away to be burnt. But it's actually used, and that builds wealth for everybody, rather than concentrate it for a few.
DAVID NAZAR, goodness, cutting the sacred cow of Defense Spending? you must be a Commie.
Rickaroo, a lot of them do think they're just going to be rich...if only they don't have to support those useless poor people, dragging them down and keeping them from opportunity.
It's interesting how skewed perspectives can become.
I dunno, but you sure seem complicit with the King of England rewriting the words of Jesus to suit his needs.
Walden, not so much as they fall for the Faux Patriotism and Faux Americanism as represented by the right-wing.
chatt_man, except in example Pelosi was talking about, there really were people lying about the law. And still are.
Same with this one, mind you, but it doesn't change the principle, that sometimes you have to see the result.
Unfortunately, that can be bad as well as good.
fairmon, because we're all American citizens, and movement from state to state isn't restricted.
National problems take national solutions.
But um, what's wrong with the government treating tax money as their bank account? Isn't that the way it is supposed to work? What else are they supposed to do with it?
NirvanaFallacy, you're the one harping on about fairness. I'm not.
You're presuming it is, just like you presumed it was about envy. Until you repudiate those actions of yours, I don't see much point trying to inform you of anything. You've already projected emotions onto others, that precludes actual understanding.
Of course, the way you present your arguments as about objectivity and attacking subjectivity and emotion, just demonstrates the foolish arrogance of the posturing logical. If you were truly being logical, you'd realize how pretentious your position is. If you truly wanted to work on some objective analysis, you'd do so, rather than spend so much time attacking others on their emotions and subjectivity. That only shows you're a hypocrite, since that is itself a very emotional position, especially given how much claimed "logic" is really not as objective as its proponents contend.
But actually, I've been told on these forums that identifying the problem is essential to solving it. In this case, part of the problem in finding a solution is people like you who don't even realize they're part of the problem. For example, by contenting it's about envy.
As long as you keep thinking that, you'll resist any solution since you can just use that excuse to blame others.
Can you even recognize that?
fairmon, most people I've met tend to be pompous asses that act like they know everything about everything. But good luck finding waste in government, most of the time I see somebody doing that, they end up spending dimes to save nickels.
Who profits from Welfare of all kinds?
Wal-mart, and yet they're glorified for their alleged capitalism.
Evil jerks like Castro and Chavez? Somehow I think you'd ignore other examples of vileness just because you prefer to focus on those you can use as punching targets.
NirvanaFallacy, that's the failing of your thinking, that it's about envy.
Nope. It's about entirely different principles.
Try recognizing them instead of projecting your feelings on others. Fairness isn't rigidly defined, it's not fixed in place. But if you want to work out how much everybody objectively benefits from the government, feel free to work on it. You might be surprised how much wealth came from the government's support.
But i don't chase quotes and selectively edit them to miss what a person said. You can look up the whole of his words on your own. But the reality is that the Laffer Curve mythology has only lead to the burgeoning debt that the same people who created the situation are complaining about.
That's the real problem.