'Doggity, without google, you wouldn't have scat to say.'
PT -Do you think I would not check my facts before I post knowing that someone like you would Google to verify? You did Google, right?
I consider myself fairly well read and make no apologies for referencing books or the internet.
Of course it's much easier to sit back and hurl five word spitballs at people, 16 hours a day, rather than use reference for verification.
volsam- basically agree. Neither believed in a personal God although Jefferson believed in a Supreme Being who created and maintained the universe. This however was not the God of Christianity. He was generally considered a deist.
Einstein was basically a Pantheist which equates God with the forces and laws of the universe.
Both espoused logic and reasoning and disavowed miracles and the divinity of Jesus.
Many of our founding fathers were Deists who held a belief in a God or great creator. But they believed and used the analogy of a watchmaker who set things in motion and left it to run itself.
Many of them detested the trappings of organized religion. They did not believe that a deity was involved in our everyday affairs or any of the supernatural aspects of religion.
The Jefferson Bible, written in Thomas Jeffersons later years, included the teachings of Jesus but excluded almost anything supernatural including miracles.
PT said :" PlainTruth said...
dawggity: "You would do well to learn some manners from Ikeithlu."
Oh, you mean like calling me dawggity? Your hypocrisy seems to know no bounds and many of your posts show no regard for manners.
Suddenly you are the Emily Post of the board? Please, spare me.
Nurseforjustice - My "third grade antics" as you call it was not directed at you. As a matter of fact I was pleasantly surprised that someone would actually ask for information that was outside their theistic views. I encourage anyone to expand their thinking to encompass new possibilities.
You will have to excuse me if I use jest directed at people who refuse to consider logic, reasoning, and facts.
Since you have not posted here for awhile you will just have to get use to this being a rough and tumble forum sometimes. Passions are enflamed and insults are hurled. You have to be thick skinned in this forum.
I have no problem with you reappearing and directing an insult at me. I'll be glad to play that game if you wish. Just remember who initialized it.
Also, would you consider directing an unprovoked insult at someone "third grade antics"?
That being said, I am always open to civilized debate and commend your openness to new ideas.
lkeithlu, your explanation, even in its condensed form, is rather confusing and may require me to do some critical thinking and research. Would it not just be easier for me to follow a belief put forward by bronze age sheep herders and avoid all that research stuff?
Perhaps I should go check out that Creation Museum in Kentucky. I hear they combine science and religion and prove that dinosaurs and humans coexisted.
So confusing since I just recently embraced the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
hotdawggity: Redundant, like your repeated references to redundancy? Like that?
LOL, like I said, you have no concept of the term redundant.
On a different note, I have been exploring the religion of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Seems to follow some of the basic tenents of Christianity as espoused by one of its followers.
“Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them.” -Steve Eley
Conservative, jeez quit rambling and provide a link. Your post makes no sense.
Oh, and in regards to..
The waves washed them away!
It seems you still do not understand the term redundant. Here, let me help you.
Redundant: characterized by verbosity or unnecessary repetition in expressing ideas.
"The Bible tells us that God created EVERYTHING"
Great, many other religions state that their gods "created everything". Your statement proves nothing other than MEN have attempted to explain creation through superstitious beliefs.
Yours is just one in a long line of gods born of ignorance.
Your statement proves nothing other than your belief in something written by bronze age scribes.
'I believe this is the main reason why Atheists keep holding on to the impossibility of evolution whereby nobody times nothing became everything.'
Your attempt to use the principal of causality falls flat because you exempt your god from this principal.
In other words, who created God? Of course your response will be the typical simplistic answer of "He was always here".
So much for your attempt to use cause and effect for an explanation, huh?
Going to breakfast now. I do not mean to 'bump and run'. I will return and respond. kwo
Mr. Orr on March 2, 2014 at 8:27 p.m I responded to your request for a biblical reference which I provided.
I eagerly await your response.