A good example of progress is when criminals quit attacking defensless people in parks in fear of getting their head made into a canoe. Or, criminals who suddenly feel a draft in their gut while trying to car jack me at O'Charleys. Personally, I dont't look at it as progress - I see it as threat elimination.
WOW, Moron, that hurt. Listen, Doug Jackson is a democrat but he is not a liberal. Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies and have little to do with party lines. However, it often happens that liberals are democrats and conservatives are republican. Anyway, please change that to an educated redneck, please. If you can give me the location of an O'Charlies, Logan's Steakhouse, or any other chain restaurant in Chattanooga that does not serve alcohol, then the problem is solved. I care nothing about the adult beverage, I just want the meal without having to disarm while in Chattanooga. But thank you for your kind words.
Someone help me understand why these liberals continually seek to throw a wrench in what the people of Tennessee has legally presented, voted on, and passed into law. There is nothing in the bill that allows an HCP holder to carry his weapon into a "Bar". Unless, the "Bar" serves meals as spelled out in the law and has an appropriate staff to prepare and serve the meals.
Rayburn is an idiot. He should take all of the money he is spending on lawyers and save it for when his restaurants and bars close due to lack of patrons.
With all of the gun legislation being passed to allow HCP holders to broaden legal carry areas, why is it that our civic leaders insist on keeping the "Gun Free Zones"? This is an invitation to the criminal element saying that "there is more than likely no resistance here". And, it is puzzling why the anti-gun population can't see this or just refuse to understand it.
All of the arguments on this topic have been versed over and over again - nothing new. It is wonderful that we live in a country where we can go to an open forum such as this and state our position freely.
Sherre00, I applaud your comments in response to Ethanph1337 and you hit the nail on the head.
Ethanph1337, you my friend are one of the reasons I prefer to defend myself and my family and not rely on law enforcement for help. DO NOT think for one minute that my right to self defense has anything to do with helping you do your job. I have the right to defend myself and my family whether you like it or not. I made a promise to my wife and kids that I would protect them at all cost - and I will.
As for guns and alcohol, I agree that together they are a potential for disaster. The "Guns in Bars" tag that has been assigned to this bill has been scewed by the media and anti gun activists and I would be willing to bet that less than 1/3rd of the state population has even read the bill. Will there be some idiots that try to abuse this law? Absolutely. They have already been doing this.
Although Bredesen will more than likely be overridden by the legislature, he has shown Tennesseeans that he cares less about law abiding citizens protecting themselves than criminals that prey on us in gun free zones. This was strictly a political move. He has never taken any action on other gun legislation (letting them automatically become law)and now decides to veto this! Suggestions have been presented by some that law enforcement would need to visit "bars" to ensure that HCP holders are not drinking alchol while carrying. Why don't they do that for criminals who are out drinking? This whole thing stinks.
There is nothing in the liberal anti-gun comments that have been posted so far that suprises me. And since most of these comments are truly how they feel, I try to respect their position on gun control. I have taken a vow to protect my family from harm. I take that responsibility very seriously. I also take offense to anyone who would ask me to disarm simply because they have an issue with guns. I could walk up just about anyone on any given day and unless I told you that I was carrying my weapon, you would never know it. I respect the feeling of others and know that the sight of a weapon makes them feel uneasy. This holds true with most other permit holders. Brandishing your firearm has no purpose.
Some people insist on letting law enforcement do their jobs to protect our citizens. Here is a small statitic for you. On the average, it takes law enforcement approximately 7 minutes to respond to and arrive at the scene of an emergency. So, I ask you to choose one of the options below.
You and your family are enjoying a pleasant night out for dinner and some gang decides to go take advantage of a situation where you are dining. Shots ring out and chaos ensues. One or more of your family are shot and possibly mortally. Unfortunately it takes the police about 7 minutes to get there. How many people can these perps kill in this amout of time?
You and your family are enjoying a pleasant night out for dinner and some gang decides to go take advantage of a situation where you are dining. Shots ring out and chaos ensues. There are people dining there carrying handguns who react to the situation and in less than 10 seconds the perps are lying on the floor. Your family walks away unharmed.
It is true that the average citizen is not properly trained for this type of situation, but if I were forced into this I would take my chances.
If you value your family as much as I value mine, and if you prefer not to carry a firmarm, then that is your choice. But to ask me to put myself and my family at risk of harm just because you have an issue with firearms is neither fair nor reasonable.
No guns in local parks
nucanuck: Here is another article proving that banning handguns does not reduce gun violence. The UK has experienced this firts hand.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3083618&page=1
No guns in local parks
A good example of progress is when criminals quit attacking defensless people in parks in fear of getting their head made into a canoe. Or, criminals who suddenly feel a draft in their gut while trying to car jack me at O'Charleys. Personally, I dont't look at it as progress - I see it as threat elimination.
Tennessee: Lawsuit seeking to stop guns in bars law
WOW, Moron, that hurt. Listen, Doug Jackson is a democrat but he is not a liberal. Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies and have little to do with party lines. However, it often happens that liberals are democrats and conservatives are republican. Anyway, please change that to an educated redneck, please. If you can give me the location of an O'Charlies, Logan's Steakhouse, or any other chain restaurant in Chattanooga that does not serve alcohol, then the problem is solved. I care nothing about the adult beverage, I just want the meal without having to disarm while in Chattanooga. But thank you for your kind words.
Tennessee: Lawsuit seeking to stop guns in bars law
Someone help me understand why these liberals continually seek to throw a wrench in what the people of Tennessee has legally presented, voted on, and passed into law. There is nothing in the bill that allows an HCP holder to carry his weapon into a "Bar". Unless, the "Bar" serves meals as spelled out in the law and has an appropriate staff to prepare and serve the meals.
Rayburn is an idiot. He should take all of the money he is spending on lawyers and save it for when his restaurants and bars close due to lack of patrons.
Tennessee: Bredesen signs guns-in-parks bill
With all of the gun legislation being passed to allow HCP holders to broaden legal carry areas, why is it that our civic leaders insist on keeping the "Gun Free Zones"? This is an invitation to the criminal element saying that "there is more than likely no resistance here". And, it is puzzling why the anti-gun population can't see this or just refuse to understand it.
Tennessee House ‘guns in bars’ sponsor hopes to override Bredesen on Wednesday
All of the arguments on this topic have been versed over and over again - nothing new. It is wonderful that we live in a country where we can go to an open forum such as this and state our position freely.
Gov. Bredesen vetoes handguns-in-bars bill
Sherre00, I applaud your comments in response to Ethanph1337 and you hit the nail on the head.
Ethanph1337, you my friend are one of the reasons I prefer to defend myself and my family and not rely on law enforcement for help. DO NOT think for one minute that my right to self defense has anything to do with helping you do your job. I have the right to defend myself and my family whether you like it or not. I made a promise to my wife and kids that I would protect them at all cost - and I will.
As for guns and alcohol, I agree that together they are a potential for disaster. The "Guns in Bars" tag that has been assigned to this bill has been scewed by the media and anti gun activists and I would be willing to bet that less than 1/3rd of the state population has even read the bill. Will there be some idiots that try to abuse this law? Absolutely. They have already been doing this.
NRA says Bredesen ‘betrayed’ trust on ‘guns in bars’ veto
Although Bredesen will more than likely be overridden by the legislature, he has shown Tennesseeans that he cares less about law abiding citizens protecting themselves than criminals that prey on us in gun free zones. This was strictly a political move. He has never taken any action on other gun legislation (letting them automatically become law)and now decides to veto this! Suggestions have been presented by some that law enforcement would need to visit "bars" to ensure that HCP holders are not drinking alchol while carrying. Why don't they do that for criminals who are out drinking? This whole thing stinks.
Tennessee: Senate gives final approval to gun bill
There is nothing in the liberal anti-gun comments that have been posted so far that suprises me. And since most of these comments are truly how they feel, I try to respect their position on gun control. I have taken a vow to protect my family from harm. I take that responsibility very seriously. I also take offense to anyone who would ask me to disarm simply because they have an issue with guns. I could walk up just about anyone on any given day and unless I told you that I was carrying my weapon, you would never know it. I respect the feeling of others and know that the sight of a weapon makes them feel uneasy. This holds true with most other permit holders. Brandishing your firearm has no purpose.
Some people insist on letting law enforcement do their jobs to protect our citizens. Here is a small statitic for you. On the average, it takes law enforcement approximately 7 minutes to respond to and arrive at the scene of an emergency. So, I ask you to choose one of the options below.
You and your family are enjoying a pleasant night out for dinner and some gang decides to go take advantage of a situation where you are dining. Shots ring out and chaos ensues. One or more of your family are shot and possibly mortally. Unfortunately it takes the police about 7 minutes to get there. How many people can these perps kill in this amout of time?
You and your family are enjoying a pleasant night out for dinner and some gang decides to go take advantage of a situation where you are dining. Shots ring out and chaos ensues. There are people dining there carrying handguns who react to the situation and in less than 10 seconds the perps are lying on the floor. Your family walks away unharmed.
It is true that the average citizen is not properly trained for this type of situation, but if I were forced into this I would take my chances.
If you value your family as much as I value mine, and if you prefer not to carry a firmarm, then that is your choice. But to ask me to put myself and my family at risk of harm just because you have an issue with firearms is neither fair nor reasonable.