Re. ”Downsizing our troop force in the Middle East and closing down strategic military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, the rebuilding of our strategic position in the Middle East has begun at great cost.”
Just what is the United States’ “strategic position in the Middle East?”
Nice job today Clay. Bravo!
If anyone thinks for a minute that there aren’t ‘boots on the ground’ now, you are sadly mistaken. There are cadres of SPEC-OP’s, advisors—and military contractors running around right now. ”No Boots on the Ground?” Pffft – Pleeez.
In Washington’s ceaseless effort to outdo George Orwell, we are told 'we' are bombing Iraq to save it. We only use humanitarian bombs, they will save lives, and they will protect national interests (whose exactly is anyone’s guess). The intervention will be short, limited to airstrikes, no boots on the ground. Uh huh, yea sure. Time will tell, but if history is any indication, don’t for a minute think ‘precision’ bombing will meaningfully change the nature of the civil war(s) now linking Syria to Iraq, nor should we expect to learn the true extent of the intervention anytime soon; and don’t be surprised if it turns into something that was never advertised. You and I didn’t read the fine print... did we? OH that’s right. We’re not allowed to see the fine print!
We have yet to reconcile the costs, mistakes and crimes of a decade-long US occupation in Iraq, and yet we are starting another round. It is not just that Washington (not you and I) has failed to learn from the past or have forgotten to pay the piper. We haven’t even bothered to look at the last bill, much less pay the check.
”War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”
Ceaseless escalation – never ending war.
This is how the DHS is getting around ‘Posse Comitatus’. In 10 years most Americans won’t remember anything but an all invasive police state.
Hmm, what’s that smell? Reminiscent of the Wolfowitz/ Cheney chickenhawk vapors?
Dick and his boy George's destruction of the Saddam regime clearly paved the roads in the region with potholes. That cannot be undone. Obombers air strikes will do nothing.
Nucanuck pondered, ”Can anyone tell the world what the US policy objectives are in Iraq?” U.S. policy in Iraq is, like the rest of US policy – starting/fomenting conflicts everywhere all the time. Endless war.
My neighbor has been beating his wife every month or so for many years. Sometimes she reacts by throwing something at him - that bitch.
But he could be beating her every day...so I guess he's showing restraint.
On a lighter note.
I was sitting at the end of a Vegas bar the other night and noticed Alprova and Zableedofisterix were further down chatting over a couple of cocktails when I overheard…
Al, “What the difference between a Jew and a canoe?”
Zab, “I dunno. What?”
Al, “A canoe tips.”
Zab, “HAW! Ain’t that the effing truth.”
After a moment or two Al says, “Y’know, I’ve been thinking about the sh!t the Palestinians have to deal with all the time in Gaza.”
Zab gruffly interrupts, ”Dude, if you think I’m gonna sit here and listen to that kind of antisemitic crap”.........
I paid the bartender and left.
Good cartoon today Clay. A perfect analogy.
In this on again – off again conflict, both sides have the same aim: to put an end to a situation that existed before it started. To put an end to the launching of rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip. And conversely; To put an end to the blockade of the Gaza Strip (the new Warsaw Ghetto) by Israel - and Egypt. Once And For All!
Except that neither side has a strategy other than terrorizing the civilian population of the other side.
Remember not long ago something called the Arab Spring? It was an uprising against the corrupt, oppressive and shameless Arab elites. Make no mistake; identification with the forsaken Palestinians was an important part of this. But now, for the first time, almost all Arab governments (not their general population) have begun tacitly supporting Israel. For young Arabs that viewed the Arab Spring as nationalist redemption, this is an act of shameful humiliation.
What has happened now is, from the point of view of today’s young Arabs, worse - much worse. Egyptian generals (now Israeli subcontractors), Saudi(ptui)princes, Kuwaiti emirs and their contemporaries throughout the region stand before their younger generation naked and contemptible, while the Hamas fighters are looking like shining examples to be emulated.
It’s plainly obvious that neither side can compel the other side to capitulate. Thus proving out what history that has shown time and again, that terrorizing a population causes it to unite behind its leaders and hate the enemy even more. In this case I believe, unfortunately, may lead to an even more radical Islamism.
Wash –rinse - repeat.
Good one Clay.
The problem isn't 'radical Islam', the problem is just --- Islam. Is not Its underlying reality not dissimilar from that of the 'Borg'? "They (Islam & the Borg) exhibit no desire for negotiation or reason, only assimilation."
Continued from 5:47 above
Despite the Zionists’ claim "the Romans didn't rename Judea as 'Palestina' until a hundred years after the death of Jesus," contemporaries of Jesus also routinely referred to Palestine as, well, Palestine. For instance, in the first decade of the 1st Century, the Roman poet Ovid mentioned Palestine in both his famed mythological poem Metamorphoses and his erotic elegy The Art of Love. He also wrote of "the waters of Palestine" in his calendrical poem Fasti. Around the same time, another Latin poet Tibullus wrote of "the crowded cities of Palestine" in a section "Messalla’s Triumph" in his poem Delia.
The noted Alexandrian Jewish philosopher Philo, writing around the 1stCentury CE, opined, "Also Syria in Palestine, which is occupied by no small part of the very populous nation of the Jews, is not unproductive of honourable virtue." (XII.75)
The Jewish historian Josephus (c.37-100 CE) was born and raised in Jerusalem, a military commander in Galilee during the First Jewish Revolt against the occupying Roman authority, acted as negotiator during the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE and later penned vital volumes of Levantine Jewish history. His The Jewish War, Antiquities of the Jews, and Against Apion all contain copious references to Palestine and Palestinians. Towards the end of Antiquities, Josephus writes, "I shall now, therefore, make an end here of my Antiquities; after the conclusion of which events, I began to write that account of the war; and these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen the Jews, as well in Egypt as in Syria and in Palestine, and what we have suffered from the Assyrians and Babylonians, and what afflictions the Persians and Macedonians, and after them the Romans, have brought upon us; for I think I may say that I have composed this history with sufficient accuracy in all things." (XX.11.2)
The claim that the Roman emperor Hadrian, eager to punish Jewish inhabitants of Judea after the Bar Kokhba Revolt, officially changed the name of the region to "Syria Palaestina" or simply "Palestine" in 135 CE and forced the Jewish community into exile is dubious at best, especially when, by then, the terms "Syrian Palestine" and "Palestine" had already been in use for over six hundred years.
So ah – you know - get your history right Bucky.
Your contention; quote: ”Modern day Palestinians have no claim to the land that is now the State of Israel. They're Arabs. They have no connection to Palestine from long ago. Modern day people, who call them- selves "Palestinians" have absolutely no claim to that land.” has absolutely no historical sponsorship.
Thus I posit. The same case can be made for modern day Israeli’s, for they too have no connection to the Israelite s from long ago.
Specific references to Palestine date back nearly five hundred years before the time of Jesus. In the 5th Century BC, Herodotus, the first historian in Western civilization, referenced ‘Palestine’ numerous times in chronicles of the ancient world.
The Histories, including the following passages, (compiled by Nima Shirazi) describe the ‘Syrians of Palestine’. "...they live in the coastal parts of Syria; and that region of Syria and all that lies between it and Egypt is called Palestine." (VII.89) The above translation by Harry Carter is featured in the 1958 Heritage Press edition of Herodotus' famous work. Both older and newer versions corroborate the accuracy of the reference. A. D. Godley's 1920 translation of the crucial line states, "This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine", while Robin Waterfield's 1998 updated Oxford translationrenders the passage this way: "This part of Syria, all the way to the border with Egypt, is known as Palestine."
A hundred years later, in the mid-4th Century BCE, Aristotle made reference to the Dead Sea in his Meteorology. "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said," he wrote. "They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them." (II.3)
Two hundred years later, in the mid-2nd Century BCE, ancient geographer Polemon wrote of a place "not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine," while Greek travel writer Pausanias wrote in his Description of Greece, "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia." (9.19.8)
Do I listen to him (Sean Hannity)? Yes I do from time to time. Quote: ”Because I don't. That's my view.” Mmm - sorry, I’m going to have to call BS on that one.
While not a supporter of Hamas by any stretch of the imagination, that fact of the matter is that after urging by the USA, the UN and Israel, the Palestinians held elections (democratically I might add) and Hamas carried the majority, whether you like it or not. Personally, I think the Palestinians voted stupidly. But that’s not my (nor yours) call to make.
To say, ”they deserve what they get.” is as extreme as any Hamas statement.
By the way. It has been claimed that Palestine never really existed to start with. As the Prime Minister of Israel said, ”There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed. How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Hmm, what do you make of that?