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mommabunny said...

Hybrid Warrior - it has been my experience as an ER nurse, and my husband also agrees, that if a police officer is chasing a car that won't stop and that car turns into a hospital and parks at ER doors, and driver is trying to take a person out of the car - it is not rocket science to understand the people involved need help asap.

As my husband says of the criminals he catches, only the stupid ones get caught redhanded. I think that goes for this rogue cop and the supervisors who supported him. Hopefully this city will clean house now and become a better city with a better police force. This provides the perfect opportunity to do so.

Hold your head high, you're a hero both on duty and off. My husband reminds me all the time that police and firemen go into situations that everyone else is running away from... That's the definition of a hero :)

Thank God there are still courageous men in this country and feminism hasn't killed them all off!!! You and your fellow officers nationwide, as well as this poor husband trying to save his wife's life... Men are always given a bad rap, yet whatever would we do without you :)

June 21, 2010 at 12:35 a.m.
mommabunny said...

I can also point out that the husband's prior experience as a medic gives him the experience needed to make the decision he did and to run red lights - ambulances do this all the time. They slow, check both ways and proceed through. This is what the husband did. He was not reckless and did not put anyone in danger - which you seem to think was the case, and it wasn't. It doesn't take a genius to drive safely through red lights if there is a medical emergency - this husband acted appropriately.

And I can't tell you how many times our ER has received ambulance cases where we had to life-flight the patient to another hospital. So it has nothing to do with calling 911 in order to get the patient to the best hospital for their condition - that is a misnomer and inaccurate information. Also, ER personnel know exactly what their hospital can handle. I have no idea what you're talking about, unless you are asking the receptionists or the janitors.

The POINT in this situation was the unwrongful felony arrest and the inappropriate and dangerous decisions the police officer made upon first encounter, while in the ER and later as he pursued a felony arrest.

It is illegal to wrongly accuse a person, much less arrest them on bogus charges. In this case the arrest should be found to be illegal and all charges dropped - and the officer should be re-evaluted as an officer. He made severe mistakes that in other situations could have caused his own life or the life of others nearby. He compounded his bad decisions by trying to embellish the situation in order to garner a felony arrest. I would never trust an officer who did either - he should not be allowed on the street, in an emergency vehicle and with a loaded gun. He has proven multiple times he is incapable of making good decisions.

June 20, 2010 at 11:58 p.m.
mommabunny said...

The officer made bad decisions, his supervisors made bad decisions. Instead of coming clean and working this out, they tried to cover it up by expostulating (embellishing) on the actual happening and making it out to be felony charges when in reality, it wasn't. A fingernail scratch is not of the same caliber as punching someone - and if the husband was truly trying to get his wife out of the car at the ER doors and this officer tried to prevent this, the officer is lucky he only had a tiny scratch! If the husband's intent was to hurt this officer, he would have punched/shoved/kicked or whatever it took at that point. The husband did not, and instead kept his focus on the medical crisis at hand. WHO was the professional in this situation? Not the officer!!!

How many times have husbands driven their wives to the hospital with an imminent birth on their hands - how many of those husbands were arrested on felony charges??? What is the difference here? Except for the officer making a bad call, and his supervisors supporting him, there is no difference. An imminent birth or a stroke are both medical emergencies.

THIS is the point - not whether the husband made a good or bad decision on taking his wife to the ER. It is the officer's decisions and his behavior, backed by his supervisors, that created this dilemma. The arrest is the point, the arrest is the dilemma, the arrest is what the police department totally screwed up here - and they have violated the husband's rights in doing so. THAT is what people are upset about, not because this man drove his wife to the ER. It was how the officer reacted, how the charges were embellished, and how it was carried out that screams of unjust actions and behavior on the part of the police department. I don't say that lightly being married to an LAPD officer (now supervisor) for 22 years.

The supervisors could very easily have turned this around, giving the husband a warning or giving him tickets for the red lights he ran. They didn't. They decided to pursue a felony arrest on this man - to what point??? His actions were not those of a felon and in the circumstances, I believe this husband showed that by not attacking the officer when the officer attempted to block the way into the ER.

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June 20, 2010 at 11:57 p.m.
mommabunny said...

Ambulance Chick - you're missing the point.

The husband made a call, good or bad that's beside the actual point.

The officer in his professional capacity created a potential risk to the injured party in this case. If this officer was so concerned about what was taking place, why didn't he draw his gun and hold the husband at gunpoint? If the officer considered this a felony stop, he should have pulled his gun. He didn't.

Why did the officer get close enough to this husband to get a fingernail scratch - which apparently the cop was unable to defend himself against - which means this officer entered into a potentially dangerous situation he was not capable of controlling. This places everyone involved at great risk - officers are taught to control the situation and not to move in if they can't. He could not control the husband, he did not draw his weapon to control the husband, yet he tried to get close and ended up being "injured" with a tiny fingernail scratch. The officer made multiple bad decisions at that point and shows he was not competent to work in an emergency situation like this. He endangered everyone involved at that point.

Then he follows the husband into the ER and causes more problems. OBVIOUSLY the wife was in a medical crisis, and I'm sure the ER staff could verify this to the officer had he asked or listened. Instead, he was lost and uncertain what to do. This is seen in his inability to control the situation around him or act appropriately while inside the hospital.

Then, after TWO days, he and his department decided to press felony charges against this husband? If this was a felony, why did they let the husband go unmolestated for 2 whole days when they knew exactly where he was (his wife's side)??? The husband even went to turn himself in - was told no charges were pending, and left! How did this escalate to a felony charge???

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June 20, 2010 at 11:55 p.m.
mommabunny said...

I would also like to point out that it was not just this officer alone who is responsible for the felony charges. The officer's supervisors are also to blame for not thoroughly looking into this officer's claims and viewing the situation in a realistic and humanitarian way prior to pursuing the felony arrest.

Police officers are there to serve the public, not get their own way. In this case, the officer and his supervisors - who represent the department as a whole - failed to serve the public. By arresting the husband on FELONY charges, they have actually attacked the public AND gotten their own way.

One interesting side note: If this officer was so concerned about the husband's behavior or lack thereof, why did he not pull his gun and have the husband at gunpoint? This officer showed little concern for his own safety if he approached the husband and was given a fingernail scratch that he could not defend himself against. Obviously the officer was too unsure of himself to attempt to fully control the husband and handcuff him (the husband was able to lift and carry his wife into the ER), yet at the same time the officer was incapable of realizing the extent of the emergency situation that presented itself right before his eyes. And this officer is trusted to make split second decisions with a loaded weapon???

June 20, 2010 at 7:52 p.m.
mommabunny said...

I am an ER nurse. My husband has been with LAPD for 24 years. The story I have just read about the newlyweds and the arrest of the husband is beyond belief!

I have been in situations in the ER where these things have occured and when there is a medical emergency, the police understand. They offer leniency and warnings.

Why your department and your officer Daves in particular want to pursue this simply shows a lack of ethics and humanity on your police department's behalf.

My husband works as a supervisor and would have really, thoroughly, questioned the officer who was filing the complaints against this husband. From what I have read, the charges sound trumped up and basically stupid given the circumstances - they make the officer sound like a fool!

Especially since the wife was admitted to the hospital and a stroke is a life-threatening situation!!! Consider the lawsuit your officer could have created by preventing or slowing down the medical care the wife received. You should be grateful the husband was strong and determined enough to push his way past the officer and get his wife help - my husband would have done the same.

I am resigned in my thinking that there are some cops who just SHOULDN'T be cops!!!! This officer sounds like an idiot...

I completely understand that this husband broke traffic laws (cautiously!) and the officer had no idea what was happening - but when the husband pulls up at an ER entrance and tries to carry his wife in - that's when reality should hit that officer smack on the head. He should have held the door open and assisted the husband instead of getting in the way.

This officer should have also been big enough (ie: mature enough) to overcome his own personal issues with this situation and provide a warning or traffic citations instead of pressing for a felony arrest.

I would like to read a follow-up to this story where the police department has issued a warning to this husband, based on extenuating and emergency circumstances, and has dropped the charges against him. To do anything less makes the officer and the department he represents look very foolish.

June 20, 2010 at 7:25 p.m.
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