Still waiting for you nra and gunnies to feel it is perfectly safe and sane to issue CCL to folks whom never attended one class on gun law, uses, parameters, etc and NEVER have fired one shot, or as in FL< NO Background checks. We await your usual dodge ball response. Bonus question, why is USA ONLY nation that feels it must arm ALL it;s schools, more so since "Every one must pack" fools feel that makes us safer. Another bonus question, how come USA gun wounds/injury on increase last ten years. Well?
And for the really paranoid, where is PROOF, that there is any chance "all guns will be confiscated". Please show how 100% background check, except among family mmembers (exempted) will in any manner violate 2nd, as whom is NOT being checked to buy 6.6MILLION guns each year, might it be the SAME criminals you howl and bay about. "Private guns sales" are worse then the "gun free zones" to attract the criminal elements. Gunnies you are paranoid hypocrites and suspect a lot of the "anti 100% background check" have criminal records. So in all fairness, let's call "Private sales with no background checks" as "criminal guns shops"
Ok gunnies, wanna be rambo, swat, spl ops, camo draped disillusioned vigilante's. A few questions, that of course will be dodged as usual
1.What is MINIMUM requirements to safely carry a concealed weapon.
2.What exactly is being violated in 2nd Amd now, or proposed.
3.Should CCL be required to carry liability ins in case of "opps"
4.What nation beside USA has or wants to arm ALL it's schools
5.If mental or arrest records precludes buy guns, should government then have right to take all the guns in that household, why not?
6.Since other then underground sales/theft, ONLY Place felons can buy guns is via no background check "private sales", 6.5 million sold there, how many end up in criminal hands.
7.How does 100% background check on ALL gun sales impact honest citizens or impact 2nd Amd.
NOTE the "if they do this I know they will next confiscate etc etc" is by the same bunch of fools that four or five time in past decades rushed down and cleaned out gun/ammo shops, and one more time, Not one such law passed. So if nra lemmings who rush to buy as "guvurmunt is't gunna take ur guns" was again wrong, and this paranoid bunch can predict major changes in laws to take guns?
Lastly how come gun injury rate has gone up year after year and USA leads industrial world in gun violence and supposedly more guns would make it better? HOW?
It appears that USA is turning into a armed camp, or at least as long as the lobby money rolls in, we can only expect all the weapons being used for personal security are allowed in each and every TN office, building and event, to include the legislators palace. How insane will this whole thing get as pols, nre and right troll bottom for votes? Yep USA run by lobby money, spin less elected who prefer hot button issues then solving real problems to assure dumbed down voters notice them.
Having read posts they seem to verify why USA cannot fill 3 million jobs requiring higher education in the sciences and hi tech fields
I guess the debate on this page is pretty much summed up by one comment I noted "He is an Oceanographer, so what does he know about global warming?"
That pretty much sums up the education level and science background of most of the anti warming folks, ranks right up there with the fools that say "well if we are warming how come it snow this winter". Yep ole USA 37th in education and getting worse, but "we kin brung them thar guns to school to save us'ns all, but not a dime for butter book lernuning stuff", and it shows
Some more "Facts" the nra and nra owned legislators and gotta have my gun" lovers NEVER discuss.
A.CCL folks are checked and trained. FACT many states, includes GA has ZERO requirement to fire on shot, nor attend any class on laws of CCL shooting etc. FL DOES NOT do background checks and like many states you shoot 10-20 rds, and then are "Qualified to "Defend self" in any area, now does'nt it sound great to have a GA or FL or others opening up in Mall with 20rd mags?
B. NRA blocked reporting and central data collection point on those with CCL arrested for gun or other issues. AKA "no report so no problems as CCL are angelic patriotic hero's.
C. Fact is ONLY felons and others would be prevented from buying guns if 100% background check, Would have ZERO impact on 2nd or honest folks getting guns.
D. Does anyone really believe that "silencers needed on hunting rifles to protect hunters hearing" as NRA claimed. Has ANYONE ever met a hunter with earplugs to "Protect self"?
F. What other nation has to arm it's schools from gun dangers from it's own citizens. How come money now pops up for armed schools, but not much to improve education standing in world from 37th?
G. What is the caliber and type guns needed to stop a shooter wearing a level III bullet proof vest, Will it penetrate school walls? What is alternate solution to protect schools as this is insane as to arm schools says we have lost control of our own citizens with guns.
Lastly, is more guns out there really the solution, as if it is, we can only end up with a nation where most heavily armed rule, there is no alternative if the gun is that badly needed to be safe?
Do you really want someone who never attended a class as to the legal responsibility-laws and fired no or less then 50rd running about armed? What is minimum number of shots it takes to safely manage a handgun in public areas. Does anyone honestly think a silenced hunting gun or AR/AK 30rd mag will not soon be "stolen" and what will happen then? What is the real world solutions to the gun problem that has made USA nr1 in gun violence. NOTE Gun injury has increased each year, deaths may be down but likely due to small cal used, like 9MM and vastly improved medical care. LASTLY exactly what part of 2nd Amd is now being endangered, exactly?
Rather amusing how the tea potty and rigth wing nuts all hopped up about "Lower taxes (on rich who own 90% of nation) and cut spending (only for lower ends)to save the future for out children blah blah" which is often based on "forecasts". But when it comes time to save "kids future" from global warming, a proven and serious issue, well the heck with the kids as we need more profits.
Couple things might get interesting here.
What happens when, as with birth control a church or religious business decides "no guns on property as they offend our religious beliefs?
What happens when religious based schools/colleges etc feel "no guns on property as it violates our beliefs?
So it would seem odd to me that so many gunnies who find Canadian gun rules objectionable, state the ole worn out version of "Love it leave it (if one objected to actions by USA) to "well if Canada so great move there".
Then we might move things about a bit if your employee does not want guns on property they own, pay taxes, maintain, etc, what if they tell the gunnies, in bests effort of right wingers, "Like your job, love your gun, well love it(gun) or leave it (job)
Just a few questions
A. Should someone who has NEVER fired a gun, or handgun be permitted to carry a 30Rd cut down version of AK/AR under coat with a CCL?
B. Why is USA ONLY nation that recommended by NRA to arm ALL schools?
C. What is min caliber the "school armed guards" should carry, that will fully penetrate bullet proof jackets in use by shooters and not go through walls and kill kids. What is MIN shooting qualifications for armed school people?
Well now, it seems that around 3 million hi tech jobs are not being filled in USA. So the companies have choice, move off shore to go into poultry processing what pays 10.50/hr or auto assembly that pays 14/hour.
OR, and is a bit radical for south, a big push for real world class education, hi tech degrees rather then top ten football team or some other such useless activity. Time to fess up folks, no great world class eduction, then business either brings in folks to fill jobs, or goes where the nation values real education, that is reality.