harleyrider2010: "Did you ever learn to read.........
The Chemistry of Secondary Smoke About 94% of secondary smoke is composed of water vapor and ordinary air with a slight excess of carbon dioxide. Another 3 % is carbon monoxide. The last 3 % contains the rest of the 4,000 or so chemicals supposedly to be found in smoke......"
Okay...3% carbon monoxide...still not very healthy for the brain, even at 3%...otherwise people wouldn't DIE from carbon monoxide poisoning when the concentration levels get much higher...(oh, is the word "poison" ever used in conjunction with carbon monoxide...???), and "4,000 or so chemicals supposedly to be found in smoke"...hmmm...that's 4,000 different chemicals that have a chance to attack your cells and cause them to mutate. Sounds healthy to me...NOT!
"How long you been drinking the anti-tobacco koolaide......if you want to deny second hand smoke isnt 94% water vapor and ordinary air......Id shut my mouth.Ignorance isnt becoming of a smart person......"
Hmmm...it's not 94% water vapor and ordinary air (I'm guessing you mean pure oxygen) I'm concerned about...it's the 6% of whatever nasty carcinogens are left that bother me and other non-smokers. Lay off the crack pipe AND the cigarettes harleyrider2010, and maybe your brain has a chance of recovery.
Ask the anti-tobacco folks to tell you what truly is in second hand smoke...when it burns from the coal its oxygenated and everything is burned and turned into water vapor...thats right water...you ever burned leaves in the fall...know how the heavy smoke bellows off......."
Oh my goodness harleyrider2010...WATER VAPOR??!! Are you trying to say second hand smoke is PURE WATER VAPOR???!!!! If I ever came across water that smelled like that, I surely wouldn't drink it! Have you ever smelled WATER on a person (disregarding sulphur water...that's the sulphur you smell, not the water)?
Sounds like you'll believe any propaganda, no matter how ridiculous, to try and con people into believing that smoking and second-hand smoke is "safe". Tell that to all the people with emphysema and lung cancer who, on their death beds (and I've seen it in person) denounced the day they ever picked up their first cigarette. But at that point it's way too late, and they can only hope others will see THEIR TRUTH and not listen to lies.
"If it's a hospitals "right" to "screen/discriminate" for legal substances, isn't it ok to advertise in the classifieds for ONLY thin, big busted, blonds, who wears short skirts, AND has the qualifications, to work for the hospital?
You can slice it anyway you want it....it's still not EOE."
You know, I'll bet you can find that very advertisement (minus the hospital employment) on any dating site...or see that type of woman on TV, in the movies, on the runway, and in magazines. That's because each job has its own qualifications and standards, and Memorial has chosen theirs. You won't see Eddie Murphy in drag and a fat suit advertising for Calvin Klein...is that discrimination?
A hospital that is striving for good health for the people should not be forced to hire someone who smokes just because not hiring them is "discrimination". The world is full of discrimination...some of it good (as in "discriminating taste") and some of it bad (that's where EOE comes in - based on sex, age, race, etc., that is, THINGS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER).
Again...if you choose to smoke, you shouldn't complain about the consequences. Go get hired by someone who doesn't mind employees smoking...or quit smoking, and then apply for a job that forbids smoking. Don't blame others for the consequences of your own choices.
HiDef - glad you appreciate my humour and get my point.
I think the issue of Memorial not wanting to hire people who smoke on their own time has as much to do with the way those employees take care of their health as much as not wanting to allow smoking on the premises. Wouldn't you want to work with someone who is trying to live a healthy lifestyle and wants to be there for years and years so they can help more patients? If they (the employees) smoke, they stand a much greater chance of being a patient themselves in the future than being there to help others.
Illness or disease caused by smoking is preventable. We don't always have control over what happens to us...any of us could get hit by a bus and be put out of commission tomorrow, but I'm not going to dance in the middle of the street (except at the Bessie Smith Strut) and take a chance that I WON'T get hit by a bus.
Believe it or not, I do think people have the right to smoke in the privacy of their home, unless there are children or other non-smokers present (see lacey1735's asthma comment). People also have the right to saw off their own limbs if they want, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Smoking is slow suicide at best, and murder in the worst cases (i.e. someone else dying of second-hand smoke, or getting killed in a fire that was started because someone fell asleep with a lit cigarette in their hand).
"If it bothered you so much, why did you keep going? Ever hear of voting with your dollars? You're apparently happy when "they" force your beliefs on everybody else."
Seems like every restaurant until a couple of years ago had a "smoking section" which means if you ate out you took the chance of breathing cigarette smoke...there was no invisible barrier that kept the smoke from crossing from the smoking to non-smoking sections.
In our society there's always going to be someone "for" and someone "against" on every issue. As a civilation we have to decide what's best for the whole. Your right to smoke ends when it interferes with my right to be healthy. Non-smokers have been trampled by smokers demanding their right to smoke (in our presence) for years. Finally some people are coming to their senses and realizing that non-smokers have rights too, and they're doing something to protect us. No, that doesn't eliminate all the other ills of our society or health, but it's a step in the right direction.
"Can someone actually abuse cigarettes and does the abuse kill patients or co-workers?"
Lighting up and smoking a cigarette abuses your body and anyone else's who happens to be within breathing vicinity...have you not read about second-hand smoke?! There is no healthy way to smoke! By barring any tobacco use in their new hiring policy, they're also excluding people who dip or chew. Don't you think they're trying to send a messeage of "we want people who are not trying to harm their bodies as employees" as opposed to "we want to hire people who are trying to get lung cancer and oral cancer"? There are many things that are bad for you that are not illegal...but you can't expect others to embrace and love your bad habits.
"One last question for those so distraught by the stench of others. When was the last time you were in Memorial hospital and said to yourself, gee it smells terrible in here, almost like second hand smoke, I'm leaving. Anybody?"
Nope, but it can make you feel sicker and wish you could leave.
A question for you HiDef...have you ever given anyone flowers? They're given quite frequently in hospitals. Why? Because they look nice and usually have pleasant aromas...that cheers people up and good spirits can help people heal. Ever seen anyone come into the hospital with an ashtray full of ashes and cigarette butts as a gift? There's a reason....
HiDef- Drugs are illegal? Alcohol is a drug, prescription pain killers are drugs...they're not illegal, but they are abused by some, and the abuse kills or hurts people sometimes...and not always the abuser, but sometimes innocent people who were minding their own business.
"Who's to say they won't stop hiring people that drink alcohol as well?"
Well, it's their right to screen people for drugs (yes, that includes alcohol) and to choose whether to hire that person or not. Also something to consider - this is a religion-based hospital - Catholic, to be exact. Would they condone hiring someone who frequents strip bars to represent their work or organization? Or someone who cheats on their spouse? Or someone who does something that is detrimental to their health (like smoking or abusing drugs?) It's their business to choose who they hire, not ours. They set the rules for qualification of employment...if you want to work there, you comply with their rules. If you don't want to work there, you can go abuse your body somewhere else. You make your choice, they make theirs.
"For those complaining about how smokers smell...get over it and go buy a book called "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff"."
Smelling carcinogenic stink is only "small stuff" to people who already live in it and are used to it. If it's so non-offensive to you, maybe you could suggest Glade bottle it into a spray so you can scent your whole house with it. Just don't invite your non-smoking friends over and expect them to enjoy the fragrant atmosphere.
Smokers need not apply for a job
harleyrider2010: "Did you ever learn to read.........
The Chemistry of Secondary Smoke About 94% of secondary smoke is composed of water vapor and ordinary air with a slight excess of carbon dioxide. Another 3 % is carbon monoxide. The last 3 % contains the rest of the 4,000 or so chemicals supposedly to be found in smoke......"
Okay...3% carbon monoxide...still not very healthy for the brain, even at 3%...otherwise people wouldn't DIE from carbon monoxide poisoning when the concentration levels get much higher...(oh, is the word "poison" ever used in conjunction with carbon monoxide...???), and "4,000 or so chemicals supposedly to be found in smoke"...hmmm...that's 4,000 different chemicals that have a chance to attack your cells and cause them to mutate. Sounds healthy to me...NOT!
Smokers need not apply for a job
harleyrider2010 said:
"How long you been drinking the anti-tobacco koolaide......if you want to deny second hand smoke isnt 94% water vapor and ordinary air......Id shut my mouth.Ignorance isnt becoming of a smart person......"
Hmmm...it's not 94% water vapor and ordinary air (I'm guessing you mean pure oxygen) I'm concerned about...it's the 6% of whatever nasty carcinogens are left that bother me and other non-smokers. Lay off the crack pipe AND the cigarettes harleyrider2010, and maybe your brain has a chance of recovery.
Smokers need not apply for a job
"SECOND HAND SMOKE IS A JOKE
Ask the anti-tobacco folks to tell you what truly is in second hand smoke...when it burns from the coal its oxygenated and everything is burned and turned into water vapor...thats right water...you ever burned leaves in the fall...know how the heavy smoke bellows off......."
Oh my goodness harleyrider2010...WATER VAPOR??!! Are you trying to say second hand smoke is PURE WATER VAPOR???!!!! If I ever came across water that smelled like that, I surely wouldn't drink it! Have you ever smelled WATER on a person (disregarding sulphur water...that's the sulphur you smell, not the water)?
Sounds like you'll believe any propaganda, no matter how ridiculous, to try and con people into believing that smoking and second-hand smoke is "safe". Tell that to all the people with emphysema and lung cancer who, on their death beds (and I've seen it in person) denounced the day they ever picked up their first cigarette. But at that point it's way too late, and they can only hope others will see THEIR TRUTH and not listen to lies.
Smokers need not apply for a job
abc13052:
"If it's a hospitals "right" to "screen/discriminate" for legal substances, isn't it ok to advertise in the classifieds for ONLY thin, big busted, blonds, who wears short skirts, AND has the qualifications, to work for the hospital?
You can slice it anyway you want it....it's still not EOE."
You know, I'll bet you can find that very advertisement (minus the hospital employment) on any dating site...or see that type of woman on TV, in the movies, on the runway, and in magazines. That's because each job has its own qualifications and standards, and Memorial has chosen theirs. You won't see Eddie Murphy in drag and a fat suit advertising for Calvin Klein...is that discrimination?
A hospital that is striving for good health for the people should not be forced to hire someone who smokes just because not hiring them is "discrimination". The world is full of discrimination...some of it good (as in "discriminating taste") and some of it bad (that's where EOE comes in - based on sex, age, race, etc., that is, THINGS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER).
Again...if you choose to smoke, you shouldn't complain about the consequences. Go get hired by someone who doesn't mind employees smoking...or quit smoking, and then apply for a job that forbids smoking. Don't blame others for the consequences of your own choices.
Smokers need not apply for a job
HiDef - glad you appreciate my humour and get my point.
I think the issue of Memorial not wanting to hire people who smoke on their own time has as much to do with the way those employees take care of their health as much as not wanting to allow smoking on the premises. Wouldn't you want to work with someone who is trying to live a healthy lifestyle and wants to be there for years and years so they can help more patients? If they (the employees) smoke, they stand a much greater chance of being a patient themselves in the future than being there to help others.
Illness or disease caused by smoking is preventable. We don't always have control over what happens to us...any of us could get hit by a bus and be put out of commission tomorrow, but I'm not going to dance in the middle of the street (except at the Bessie Smith Strut) and take a chance that I WON'T get hit by a bus.
Believe it or not, I do think people have the right to smoke in the privacy of their home, unless there are children or other non-smokers present (see lacey1735's asthma comment). People also have the right to saw off their own limbs if they want, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Smoking is slow suicide at best, and murder in the worst cases (i.e. someone else dying of second-hand smoke, or getting killed in a fire that was started because someone fell asleep with a lit cigarette in their hand).
Smokers need not apply for a job
oops...That's "civilization", not "civilation"
Smokers need not apply for a job
Sailorman wrote:
"If it bothered you so much, why did you keep going? Ever hear of voting with your dollars? You're apparently happy when "they" force your beliefs on everybody else."
Seems like every restaurant until a couple of years ago had a "smoking section" which means if you ate out you took the chance of breathing cigarette smoke...there was no invisible barrier that kept the smoke from crossing from the smoking to non-smoking sections.
In our society there's always going to be someone "for" and someone "against" on every issue. As a civilation we have to decide what's best for the whole. Your right to smoke ends when it interferes with my right to be healthy. Non-smokers have been trampled by smokers demanding their right to smoke (in our presence) for years. Finally some people are coming to their senses and realizing that non-smokers have rights too, and they're doing something to protect us. No, that doesn't eliminate all the other ills of our society or health, but it's a step in the right direction.
Smokers need not apply for a job
HiDef -
"Can someone actually abuse cigarettes and does the abuse kill patients or co-workers?"
Lighting up and smoking a cigarette abuses your body and anyone else's who happens to be within breathing vicinity...have you not read about second-hand smoke?! There is no healthy way to smoke! By barring any tobacco use in their new hiring policy, they're also excluding people who dip or chew. Don't you think they're trying to send a messeage of "we want people who are not trying to harm their bodies as employees" as opposed to "we want to hire people who are trying to get lung cancer and oral cancer"? There are many things that are bad for you that are not illegal...but you can't expect others to embrace and love your bad habits.
"One last question for those so distraught by the stench of others. When was the last time you were in Memorial hospital and said to yourself, gee it smells terrible in here, almost like second hand smoke, I'm leaving. Anybody?"
Nope, but it can make you feel sicker and wish you could leave.
A question for you HiDef...have you ever given anyone flowers? They're given quite frequently in hospitals. Why? Because they look nice and usually have pleasant aromas...that cheers people up and good spirits can help people heal. Ever seen anyone come into the hospital with an ashtray full of ashes and cigarette butts as a gift? There's a reason....
Smokers need not apply for a job
Also, some people are actually allergic to cigarette smoke...my own mother being one of them.
Smokers need not apply for a job
HiDef- Drugs are illegal? Alcohol is a drug, prescription pain killers are drugs...they're not illegal, but they are abused by some, and the abuse kills or hurts people sometimes...and not always the abuser, but sometimes innocent people who were minding their own business.
Well, it's their right to screen people for drugs (yes, that includes alcohol) and to choose whether to hire that person or not. Also something to consider - this is a religion-based hospital - Catholic, to be exact. Would they condone hiring someone who frequents strip bars to represent their work or organization? Or someone who cheats on their spouse? Or someone who does something that is detrimental to their health (like smoking or abusing drugs?) It's their business to choose who they hire, not ours. They set the rules for qualification of employment...if you want to work there, you comply with their rules. If you don't want to work there, you can go abuse your body somewhere else. You make your choice, they make theirs.
"For those complaining about how smokers smell...get over it and go buy a book called "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff"."
Smelling carcinogenic stink is only "small stuff" to people who already live in it and are used to it. If it's so non-offensive to you, maybe you could suggest Glade bottle it into a spray so you can scent your whole house with it. Just don't invite your non-smoking friends over and expect them to enjoy the fragrant atmosphere.