Al, be honest you know Jackson and every other politician has their staff research and write the bills. Jackson just had his name put on it and proposed it.
I guess this is one where we will continue to disagree.
Al and Easy please show me the specific Amendment that states you have the right to vote. The 14th 15th 19th and 26th Amendments only deal with prohibiting States including the District of Columbia from excluding individuals from voting based on race or gender or people who are 18+ years of age without due process. And States are not allowed to impose a Poll Tax.
Al and Easy, you need to accept the fact there is no right to vote.
In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”
As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.
True, our Constitution explicitly prohibits discrimination in granting the franchise based on a person’s race, sex, or (adult) age via the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. The24th Amendment also bars disenfranchisement via poll taxes.
Just months after the Alexander decision, a 5-4 Court majority in Bush v. Gore denied Florida citizens a right to ensure their votes were counted, saying “the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote [for presidential electors].
Easy, if voting is a right then why was Jessie Jackson Jr. in 2005 trying to A Proposed Amendment to Establish a Constitutional Right to Vote in America?
I admit I did not word my post properly when I said having their right to vote reinstated. Felons did not lose their right to vote because no one has the right to vote in a federal election as along as the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments are not violated.
You posted "Learned what? That some felons aren't allowed to vote ever? I knew that already."
So you are admitting there are some felons, which include those who are out of prison that will never be re-established to vote?
Easy, there are convicted felons in Tennessee who are out of prison that were convicted of murder, and rape and that have not done lengthy prison sentences and they will never have their rights to vote reinstated to vote in a Federal Election unless the State of Tennessee changes the law.
States can impose restrictions and not allow people to vote in Federal Elections as long as they do not violate the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. These restrictions can be temporary where felons can apply to have their rights restored after completing their full sentence, to not having their rights restored at all even after they have completed there full sentence.
You should have learned this in your Constitutional Law class but I have to question if you really are attending Law School or are you just that arrogant that you can not admit when you are wrong.
Easy, posted I read it. And that is to be expected for serious felons considering they lose the most rights through a lengthy sentence.
In Delaware some of the exceptions for not re-enfranchised include felony offense against public administration involving bribery, improper influence or abuse of office. These offenses do not carry as long of a sentence as murder. Also sex offenders are known to get out of prison after only serving a few years.
My comment that you do not have a right to vote in a Federal Election, is in fact correct and your response "Yes, you do. Felons can be re-enfranchised, is in fact incorrect.
Easy, read what I posted, below is a list from States, which has exceptions where felons will not be eligible to be re-enfranchised.
Alabama Those convicted of certain felony offenses such as murder, rape, incest, sexual crime against children, and treason are not eligible for re-enfranchisement.
Delaware: EXCEPTIONS: Persons convicted of murder or manslaughter, a felony offense against public administration involving bribery, improper influence or abuse of office, or a felony sexual offense, remain permanently disqualified from voting.
Tennessee All persons convicted of a felony since 1981, EXCEPT for some serious felonies such as murder, rape, treason and voter fraud, may apply to the Board of Probation and Parole for voting restoration upon completion of their sentence.
The Monster
Al, be honest you know Jackson and every other politician has their staff research and write the bills. Jackson just had his name put on it and proposed it.
I guess this is one where we will continue to disagree.
Have a good night.
The Monster
Al, if there is a right to vote why did Jesse Jackson Jr propose an Amendment to establish a Constitutional Right to Vote in America?
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/amendment_constitutional_voting_right/
The Monster
Al and Easy please show me the specific Amendment that states you have the right to vote. The 14th 15th 19th and 26th Amendments only deal with prohibiting States including the District of Columbia from excluding individuals from voting based on race or gender or people who are 18+ years of age without due process. And States are not allowed to impose a Poll Tax.
The Monster
Al and Easy, you need to accept the fact there is no right to vote.
In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court’s interpretation that our Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it’s state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”
As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.
True, our Constitution explicitly prohibits discrimination in granting the franchise based on a person’s race, sex, or (adult) age via the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. The24th Amendment also bars disenfranchisement via poll taxes.
Just months after the Alexander decision, a 5-4 Court majority in Bush v. Gore denied Florida citizens a right to ensure their votes were counted, saying “the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote [for presidential electors].
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/right_to_vote/
The Monster
Nice try Easy. Earlier you were saying people had the right to vote.
The Monster
Easy, if voting is a right then why was Jessie Jackson Jr. in 2005 trying to A Proposed Amendment to Establish a Constitutional Right to Vote in America?
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/amendment_constitutional_voting_right/
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/right_to_vote/
The Monster
I admit I did not word my post properly when I said having their right to vote reinstated. Felons did not lose their right to vote because no one has the right to vote in a federal election as along as the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments are not violated.
You posted "Learned what? That some felons aren't allowed to vote ever? I knew that already."
So you are admitting there are some felons, which include those who are out of prison that will never be re-established to vote?
The Monster
Easy, there are convicted felons in Tennessee who are out of prison that were convicted of murder, and rape and that have not done lengthy prison sentences and they will never have their rights to vote reinstated to vote in a Federal Election unless the State of Tennessee changes the law.
States can impose restrictions and not allow people to vote in Federal Elections as long as they do not violate the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. These restrictions can be temporary where felons can apply to have their rights restored after completing their full sentence, to not having their rights restored at all even after they have completed there full sentence.
You should have learned this in your Constitutional Law class but I have to question if you really are attending Law School or are you just that arrogant that you can not admit when you are wrong.
The Monster
Easy, posted I read it. And that is to be expected for serious felons considering they lose the most rights through a lengthy sentence.
In Delaware some of the exceptions for not re-enfranchised include felony offense against public administration involving bribery, improper influence or abuse of office. These offenses do not carry as long of a sentence as murder. Also sex offenders are known to get out of prison after only serving a few years.
My comment that you do not have a right to vote in a Federal Election, is in fact correct and your response "Yes, you do. Felons can be re-enfranchised, is in fact incorrect.
The Monster
Easy, read what I posted, below is a list from States, which has exceptions where felons will not be eligible to be re-enfranchised.
Alabama Those convicted of certain felony offenses such as murder, rape, incest, sexual crime against children, and treason are not eligible for re-enfranchisement.
Delaware: EXCEPTIONS: Persons convicted of murder or manslaughter, a felony offense against public administration involving bribery, improper influence or abuse of office, or a felony sexual offense, remain permanently disqualified from voting.
Tennessee All persons convicted of a felony since 1981, EXCEPT for some serious felonies such as murder, rape, treason and voter fraud, may apply to the Board of Probation and Parole for voting restoration upon completion of their sentence.