The point, which you so transparently choose to ignore, is there IS no difference between the two models, other than cosmetic. So -- which is the "assault rifle"?
So. To you, what is the basic visual difference between an AR-15 and the Ruger Tactical M-14/5GBCPC? If you consider one an assault rifle, it follows that you consider the other as one.
I don't need to look them up...I know what they look like.
Thank you. In essentially always referring to "semi-automatic weapons" as "assault weapons", you have pretty much stated that you are opposed to all semi-automatic weapons -- long guns and handguns -- for cosmetic reasons only; i.e., changing a conventional-appearing firearm into an assault weapon is merely a matter of changing the stock or removing "offensive" but non-essential parts.
Now we are getting into the meat of your[pl] arguments for full confiscation of all semi-automatic firearms...because they look bad.
So what is the difference between a .223 Ruger mini-14 Ranch model with a conventional wooden stock and a .223 Ruger mini-14 Tactical? Better yet, the difference between a Ruger NATO [aka .223 Rem] Model M-14/5GBCPC [standard stock] and the Ruger 5.56 NATO Model M-14/5GBCPC?
miraweb, the only difference between the drivers of 45-ton 20-wheelers and a Smart Car is in licensing and training.
BTW, I chose "motor vehicle" rather than "automobile", "SUV", et al for ease of typing...your example is a good one, although off hand I would say our "big-rigs" in firearms would be tanks, HumVees, etc. That analogy would probably stand up better.
Once again, miraweb, any semi-automatic firearm -- long or short -- is, or can easily made into, an assault weapon by your non-defined definition. The only differences between all such semi-auto firearms is appearance...how emotional is *that.
miraweb -- Your 2:18 post had some ideas worth considering, although they are a bit intrusive.
Take your entire post and substitute the words "motor vehicle" and "engine" for all occurrences of "firearm", "weapon", "assault weapon", "ammo", "magazine", et al.
That would put your suggestions in perspective and might even stop the senseless slaughter on our highways...slaughter that outnumbers by 6 to 1 the claimed loss of 10,000 lives a year due to the 2nd Amendment.
One thing, the lack of enforced gun laws now has allowed all those gang-related shootings to multiple...by some lights, one could consider that lack of enforcement a good thing. Let the gang-bangers kill each other off...maybe make entire communities plagued with those shootings into gun-free zones, or even free-fire zones. The Obama and his cronies are helping in that regard by making it even easier for aliens to buy firearms...makes one wonder why.
EaTn, I suspect all boys did. I didn't get one because they weren't making them at the time...they were too busy making real guns for use against The Axis...better known as WW2. Once the war was over and the Japs and Nazi's stopped trying to kill us with guns, BB Guns again became available.
I was about 6 or 7 when I got mine. I used it to shoot tin cans, coke bottles ["coke", like "mother" was a nice word, then]and the occasional -- although rare -- mourning dove. That's how we became some of the best shots in the world.
'Course, that lack of a BB gun didn't stop us from making "rifles" and "machine guns" out of 1x4s and 4x4s, respectively. Add a few spikes [big nails] to the 4x4 block and you had a "machine gun". We used them to mow down the enemy with much fervor.
"Barth initially told detectives he was worried about a potential death sentence, Kurtzrock said. After Barth was told that couldn't happen -- the death penalty has been ruled unconstitutional in New York -- he made a videotaped confession and told police they could find the ax behind the bedroom door, the prosecutor said." [Emphasis mine]
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easy
The point, which you so transparently choose to ignore, is there IS no difference between the two models, other than cosmetic. So -- which is the "assault rifle"?
So. To you, what is the basic visual difference between an AR-15 and the Ruger Tactical M-14/5GBCPC? If you consider one an assault rifle, it follows that you consider the other as one.
I don't need to look them up...I know what they look like.
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easy --
Thank you. In essentially always referring to "semi-automatic weapons" as "assault weapons", you have pretty much stated that you are opposed to all semi-automatic weapons -- long guns and handguns -- for cosmetic reasons only; i.e., changing a conventional-appearing firearm into an assault weapon is merely a matter of changing the stock or removing "offensive" but non-essential parts.
Now we are getting into the meat of your[pl] arguments for full confiscation of all semi-automatic firearms...because they look bad.
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easy --
So what is the difference between a .223 Ruger mini-14 Ranch model with a conventional wooden stock and a .223 Ruger mini-14 Tactical? Better yet, the difference between a Ruger NATO [aka .223 Rem] Model M-14/5GBCPC [standard stock] and the Ruger 5.56 NATO Model M-14/5GBCPC?
Look 'em up here: http://ruger.com/products/mini14TacticalRifle/models.html
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Add a 30-round magazine, easy. Add picatinny rails with lights, optics, etc all over it. Looks really scary...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/116453/glock-magazine-generation-4-glock-17-19-26-34-9mm-luger-33-round-polymer-black?cm_vc=sugv1538434
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So change it to "most* any" easy.
Please expand and give us some examples of hand-held semi-automatic firearms that cannot be made "scary" and therefore "assault weapons".
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miraweb, the only difference between the drivers of 45-ton 20-wheelers and a Smart Car is in licensing and training.
BTW, I chose "motor vehicle" rather than "automobile", "SUV", et al for ease of typing...your example is a good one, although off hand I would say our "big-rigs" in firearms would be tanks, HumVees, etc. That analogy would probably stand up better.
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Once again, miraweb, any semi-automatic firearm -- long or short -- is, or can easily made into, an assault weapon by your non-defined definition. The only differences between all such semi-auto firearms is appearance...how emotional is *that.
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miraweb -- Your 2:18 post had some ideas worth considering, although they are a bit intrusive.
Take your entire post and substitute the words "motor vehicle" and "engine" for all occurrences of "firearm", "weapon", "assault weapon", "ammo", "magazine", et al.
That would put your suggestions in perspective and might even stop the senseless slaughter on our highways...slaughter that outnumbers by 6 to 1 the claimed loss of 10,000 lives a year due to the 2nd Amendment.
One thing, the lack of enforced gun laws now has allowed all those gang-related shootings to multiple...by some lights, one could consider that lack of enforcement a good thing. Let the gang-bangers kill each other off...maybe make entire communities plagued with those shootings into gun-free zones, or even free-fire zones. The Obama and his cronies are helping in that regard by making it even easier for aliens to buy firearms...makes one wonder why.
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"When I was a kid [I wanted] a Red Ryder BB gun."
EaTn, I suspect all boys did. I didn't get one because they weren't making them at the time...they were too busy making real guns for use against The Axis...better known as WW2. Once the war was over and the Japs and Nazi's stopped trying to kill us with guns, BB Guns again became available.
I was about 6 or 7 when I got mine. I used it to shoot tin cans, coke bottles ["coke", like "mother" was a nice word, then]and the occasional -- although rare -- mourning dove. That's how we became some of the best shots in the world.
'Course, that lack of a BB gun didn't stop us from making "rifles" and "machine guns" out of 1x4s and 4x4s, respectively. Add a few spikes [big nails] to the 4x4 block and you had a "machine gun". We used them to mow down the enemy with much fervor.
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mirabel -- Did you see this Associated Press article, too? Maybe we should be "talking about weapons again", all right. Including axes, huh?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/26/ny-man-killed-friend-hid-body-in-closet-da-says/
This quote from the report caught my eye:
"Barth initially told detectives he was worried about a potential death sentence, Kurtzrock said. After Barth was told that couldn't happen -- the death penalty has been ruled unconstitutional in New York -- he made a videotaped confession and told police they could find the ax behind the bedroom door, the prosecutor said." [Emphasis mine]