Alassee, you apologize, then you go right back to the name-calling? And Vince Young is childish? Seriously? Humorous. And yes, Truthseeker, I read your previous post. The only thing you stated was that Mr. Adams undermines his employees. You failed to list specific facts (emphasis on the word facts with an "S") to back your assertion that this has historically been and continues to be a problem. You both could have stronger arguments if you relied less on name calling and more on fact-based opinions.
The only way I'll see Mr. Adams as the issue is if Fisher continues his unimaginitive and outdated coaching style and Mr. Adams chooses to keep him beyond 2011 despite that. Fisher's coaching style is not conducive to winning on a consistent basis in today's NFL. Since owners can't be fired, I really see no point in continuing to support a team if you're not confident in the ownership. I'm fully confident that Mr. Adams wants to field a consistently winning team. I'm glad he forced Fisher to play Vince Young. Please give specific facts that support your notion that Mr. Adams has ruined the Titans.
Alassee, I accept your apology. Please explain why our society has such a problem with athletes misbehaving yet we accept and even celebrate it when the same actions are committed by actors, musicians, and other entertainers. I've never heard anyone say, "I'm not buying that CD because that musician acts like a (fill in the blank). I've never heard anyone say "I'm not going to watch that movie because that actor/actress/director committed (fill in any crime or sin here)". I don't care what these athletes do off the field or what kind of person they are. The day that I have a problem with their actions I'll simply stop buying tickets to games, stop watching on TV, and stop buying the merchandise. The media takes too much of the emphasis away from what occurs on the field/court. I also find it humorous that we criticize the athletes for childish behavior but we don't hold coaches to the same standard. Fisher said Young was less than a man because he texted an apology instead of doing it face to face. Well using that same logic isn't Fisher less than a man for firing Norm Chow via telephone instead of face to face? Ohhhh the hypocrisy!! Maybe I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the personal attacks players received if the media and fans held everyone to the same standard.
Alassee, it's quite humurous and ironic that you criticize NFL players for being childish. It's equally humorous that you've resorted to calling me a 3 year old. Most mature adults would consider name-calling, in order to prove a point, childish. I already made my point concerning Volek. By the way, he also posted a losing record as a starting QB for the Titans. You also state that when he fills in for the Chargers there's no drop off. Are you referring to the preseason? He never sees the field during the regular season. He's averaged 9 regular season pass attempts in his 5 years with the Chargers. I don't think an accurate assesment can be made with that few attempts. I've shared my opinion based on the facts. If you choose to counter that with name-calling please do so with the full understanding that it prevents your opinion from being taken seriously. We're all passionate fans, but name-calling? Really?.....Really?
Alassee it's difficult to take an argument seriously when you sink so low as to resort to name-calling. Is name-calling really necessary to prove your point? I don't know if Haynesworth deserves the names you call him, nor do I know if Young deserves it. No need to be spoon fed by the media and told what to think. The media has a long history of misreporting, misrepresenting, and sensationalism in order to create a story. I try not to attack players and coaches on a personal level because I do not know them personally. Becuase we are fans of the team and financial supporters of the team and the league we can evaluate the employees accordingly. My assessment of Young is that he's a good QB who was brought in to a system that obviously has an inability to develop QB talent. My assessment of Fisher is that he and his coaching staff, with the exception of Washburn (who I think is the best in the league), regularly are out-coached from a preparation stand-point, game-planning, and in-game adjustments. Those things are unacceptable. Oh, and Billy Volek? He's a career backup. The Chargers traded Drew Brees who's a star. They also traded Whitehurst to the Seahawks as a potential future starter. They show a willingness to trade QBs. I'm sure they'd be willing to part with Volek but it appears no one in the league has made any efforts to acquire him from the Chargers to make him a starter. That says all that needs to be said about his ability as a QB. As for Bud, if I ever get to the point of believing Bud is the issue I'll find a new team to support. It's illogical to support a team if you don't believe in the ownership.
This article was about Coach Fisher. My point was, and still is the Titans need a better coach. You and ESPN claim Young is the problem yet he has saved Fisher's job twice. The Titans and Fisher have won 63% of the games he has started. Coach Fisher is 14-17 since 2006 without Vince Young at QB. As for Moss, he's a Hall of Fame receiver that still draws double coverages. His 1st game with the Patriots this year he had 5 cathces for 59 yards. His 1st gane as a Viking this year he had 4 catches for 81 yards and a TD. Yeah, sounds like a REAL dumpster fire. Back to Fisher. It's illogical to defend Fisher by bashing Young or any other player. Fisher has grossly underachieved on his own merits. The play calling lacks creativity. We don't make adjustments offensively or defensively. Personnel decisions have been questionable at best. Our gameplans lack flexibility. Chris Johnson ran for 2,000 yards last year then we promptly fired the RBs coach to hire a guy who immediately bolts for a college job. Fisher has made and continues to make poor decisions that negatively affect this team. We can't hang on to an under achieving coach just because we are afraid of who'll get hired. There are many viable candidates available.
Wildman what's more improtant, Qb stats or wins? The Titans started '06 0-3 with Kerry Collins at QB. Vince Young takes over and the team wins 8 of the final 13 games and narrowly misses the playoffs. Again in '09 the Titans start 0-6 with Collins at QB. Young comes in and the team wins 8 of the final 10 games. ESPN characterized Vince Young as a future failure at QB on the next level coimng off a National Championship and now the talking heads make every effort to prove themselves right. Just because ESPN says so that does not make it fact. Vince Young's 30 wins were against NFL teams. There are no easy wins in the NFL. If there are, then why can't the Titans get those same "easy" wins with Collins at QB. The reason is that Fisher and his staff, with the exception of Jim Washburn, are consistently out-coached. Is there any other coaching staff in the NFL that would have Moss and Britt at their disposal and then claim they can't figure out how to get them both on the field at the same time? Why don't we throw more screens to CJ? Why did we wait so late in the season to get significant playing time for Jared Cook? Why have we not designed specific plays for Moss? Why is Chris Hope still starting? Why do we play Justin Gage ahead of Randy Moss? Why do we not make in-game adjustments? Oh that's right, it's all Vince Young's fault. That's laughable. The Titans have had losing streaks of 6 or more games 2 of the past 3 years. That doesn't happen to great coaches. Obviously Fisher is not as great as the talking heads make him out to be.
Wildman and Salsa, let's do a little math. Jeff Fisher is slightly above .500 as a coach. His regular season record is 142-119. Fisher has only won 5 playoff games in 16 years. Vince Young is 30-17 as a starter for the Titans and has a .638 winning percentage. As a fan of the team I would like to see them WIN. Of the current players at QB, Vince Young gives them the best chance to win, yet Fisher and fans like you want Young gone. That makes no sense. The math says so. ESPN has brainwashed you into believeing that the things we criticize Vince for actually matter. They claim he isnt a leader yet every time he steps on the field his fellow players rally around him. According to Blaine Bishop, a former Titans player, the type of blowup Young had with Fisher is not a rare occurence in NFL locker rooms. Why we as fans take personal issue with athletes we don't know on a personal basis baffles me. As fans we should want to win. Vince young gives us the best chance to do so. Jeff Fisher? Not so much.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
Alassee, you apologize, then you go right back to the name-calling? And Vince Young is childish? Seriously? Humorous. And yes, Truthseeker, I read your previous post. The only thing you stated was that Mr. Adams undermines his employees. You failed to list specific facts (emphasis on the word facts with an "S") to back your assertion that this has historically been and continues to be a problem. You both could have stronger arguments if you relied less on name calling and more on fact-based opinions.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
The only way I'll see Mr. Adams as the issue is if Fisher continues his unimaginitive and outdated coaching style and Mr. Adams chooses to keep him beyond 2011 despite that. Fisher's coaching style is not conducive to winning on a consistent basis in today's NFL. Since owners can't be fired, I really see no point in continuing to support a team if you're not confident in the ownership. I'm fully confident that Mr. Adams wants to field a consistently winning team. I'm glad he forced Fisher to play Vince Young. Please give specific facts that support your notion that Mr. Adams has ruined the Titans.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
Alassee, I accept your apology. Please explain why our society has such a problem with athletes misbehaving yet we accept and even celebrate it when the same actions are committed by actors, musicians, and other entertainers. I've never heard anyone say, "I'm not buying that CD because that musician acts like a (fill in the blank). I've never heard anyone say "I'm not going to watch that movie because that actor/actress/director committed (fill in any crime or sin here)". I don't care what these athletes do off the field or what kind of person they are. The day that I have a problem with their actions I'll simply stop buying tickets to games, stop watching on TV, and stop buying the merchandise. The media takes too much of the emphasis away from what occurs on the field/court. I also find it humorous that we criticize the athletes for childish behavior but we don't hold coaches to the same standard. Fisher said Young was less than a man because he texted an apology instead of doing it face to face. Well using that same logic isn't Fisher less than a man for firing Norm Chow via telephone instead of face to face? Ohhhh the hypocrisy!! Maybe I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the personal attacks players received if the media and fans held everyone to the same standard.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
Alassee, it's quite humurous and ironic that you criticize NFL players for being childish. It's equally humorous that you've resorted to calling me a 3 year old. Most mature adults would consider name-calling, in order to prove a point, childish. I already made my point concerning Volek. By the way, he also posted a losing record as a starting QB for the Titans. You also state that when he fills in for the Chargers there's no drop off. Are you referring to the preseason? He never sees the field during the regular season. He's averaged 9 regular season pass attempts in his 5 years with the Chargers. I don't think an accurate assesment can be made with that few attempts. I've shared my opinion based on the facts. If you choose to counter that with name-calling please do so with the full understanding that it prevents your opinion from being taken seriously. We're all passionate fans, but name-calling? Really?.....Really?
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
Alassee it's difficult to take an argument seriously when you sink so low as to resort to name-calling. Is name-calling really necessary to prove your point? I don't know if Haynesworth deserves the names you call him, nor do I know if Young deserves it. No need to be spoon fed by the media and told what to think. The media has a long history of misreporting, misrepresenting, and sensationalism in order to create a story. I try not to attack players and coaches on a personal level because I do not know them personally. Becuase we are fans of the team and financial supporters of the team and the league we can evaluate the employees accordingly. My assessment of Young is that he's a good QB who was brought in to a system that obviously has an inability to develop QB talent. My assessment of Fisher is that he and his coaching staff, with the exception of Washburn (who I think is the best in the league), regularly are out-coached from a preparation stand-point, game-planning, and in-game adjustments. Those things are unacceptable. Oh, and Billy Volek? He's a career backup. The Chargers traded Drew Brees who's a star. They also traded Whitehurst to the Seahawks as a potential future starter. They show a willingness to trade QBs. I'm sure they'd be willing to part with Volek but it appears no one in the league has made any efforts to acquire him from the Chargers to make him a starter. That says all that needs to be said about his ability as a QB. As for Bud, if I ever get to the point of believing Bud is the issue I'll find a new team to support. It's illogical to support a team if you don't believe in the ownership.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
This article was about Coach Fisher. My point was, and still is the Titans need a better coach. You and ESPN claim Young is the problem yet he has saved Fisher's job twice. The Titans and Fisher have won 63% of the games he has started. Coach Fisher is 14-17 since 2006 without Vince Young at QB. As for Moss, he's a Hall of Fame receiver that still draws double coverages. His 1st game with the Patriots this year he had 5 cathces for 59 yards. His 1st gane as a Viking this year he had 4 catches for 81 yards and a TD. Yeah, sounds like a REAL dumpster fire. Back to Fisher. It's illogical to defend Fisher by bashing Young or any other player. Fisher has grossly underachieved on his own merits. The play calling lacks creativity. We don't make adjustments offensively or defensively. Personnel decisions have been questionable at best. Our gameplans lack flexibility. Chris Johnson ran for 2,000 yards last year then we promptly fired the RBs coach to hire a guy who immediately bolts for a college job. Fisher has made and continues to make poor decisions that negatively affect this team. We can't hang on to an under achieving coach just because we are afraid of who'll get hired. There are many viable candidates available.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
Wildman what's more improtant, Qb stats or wins? The Titans started '06 0-3 with Kerry Collins at QB. Vince Young takes over and the team wins 8 of the final 13 games and narrowly misses the playoffs. Again in '09 the Titans start 0-6 with Collins at QB. Young comes in and the team wins 8 of the final 10 games. ESPN characterized Vince Young as a future failure at QB on the next level coimng off a National Championship and now the talking heads make every effort to prove themselves right. Just because ESPN says so that does not make it fact. Vince Young's 30 wins were against NFL teams. There are no easy wins in the NFL. If there are, then why can't the Titans get those same "easy" wins with Collins at QB. The reason is that Fisher and his staff, with the exception of Jim Washburn, are consistently out-coached. Is there any other coaching staff in the NFL that would have Moss and Britt at their disposal and then claim they can't figure out how to get them both on the field at the same time? Why don't we throw more screens to CJ? Why did we wait so late in the season to get significant playing time for Jared Cook? Why have we not designed specific plays for Moss? Why is Chris Hope still starting? Why do we play Justin Gage ahead of Randy Moss? Why do we not make in-game adjustments? Oh that's right, it's all Vince Young's fault. That's laughable. The Titans have had losing streaks of 6 or more games 2 of the past 3 years. That doesn't happen to great coaches. Obviously Fisher is not as great as the talking heads make him out to be.
Greeson: Fisher's time has come, gone
Wildman and Salsa, let's do a little math. Jeff Fisher is slightly above .500 as a coach. His regular season record is 142-119. Fisher has only won 5 playoff games in 16 years. Vince Young is 30-17 as a starter for the Titans and has a .638 winning percentage. As a fan of the team I would like to see them WIN. Of the current players at QB, Vince Young gives them the best chance to win, yet Fisher and fans like you want Young gone. That makes no sense. The math says so. ESPN has brainwashed you into believeing that the things we criticize Vince for actually matter. They claim he isnt a leader yet every time he steps on the field his fellow players rally around him. According to Blaine Bishop, a former Titans player, the type of blowup Young had with Fisher is not a rare occurence in NFL locker rooms. Why we as fans take personal issue with athletes we don't know on a personal basis baffles me. As fans we should want to win. Vince young gives us the best chance to do so. Jeff Fisher? Not so much.