Now I've heard it all: "The liberal sports media." I think some on here have been so indoctrinated by the "conservative" media that they are unable to form a sentence in which "media" is not immediately preceded by "liberal."
And don't even get me started on verbal irony, Jack.
aae1049 wrote: " . . . it would be better for the taxpayers to simply provide the 30 percent or more directly to the public employee, and let them purchase the benefits they wish to have . . ."
That would perhaps provide some solace to the already underpaid teachers of Hamilton County. However, there is no evidence to suggest such a plan is in the works. Additionally, the flaw with this logic is that by creating millions of individual consumers of insurance products, the power of large organizations to bargain for lower rates will likely encourage insurance costs to continue to rise. Perhaps we should also give a stipend to those on Medicare and Medicaid and send them off to fend for themselves.
Instead of only using percentages and total costs, why not also include some salaries? While I don't have access to the average salaries, beginning teachers make only $36,044 (http://www.hcde.org/Download.asp?L=1&LMID=&PN=Pages&DivisionID=14293&DepartmentID=&SubDepartmentID=&SubP=Level1Page&Act=Download&T=3&I=20791). It might be interesting to compare not just benefits, but also salaries for teachers across Tennessee and North Georgia.
Instead of pointing out how lucky teachers are, perhaps we should view others as unlucky and begin working to provide a better level of health care to all.
Mr. Agrafiotis, what you fail to take into account is the perpetuation of addiction to nicotine, and the potential abuse of vaping products. A quick Google search for 'vaping tricks' reveals some of the potential abuses. Can you cite any studies about the effects of such rapid over-consumption of vapor products? I suspect not, as this is a relatively new and unstudied topic. What's more, it is difficult to know what substance is being vaporized. It is easy to make homemade vaping solutions containing marijuana or pharmaceuticals.
While I concede that vaping legal substances may be less harmful than smoking tobacco, I see nothing harmful in banning vaping in situations where tobacco is also banned. While it may be a less harmful form of addiction, let's not forget that it is still an addiction.
Having gone to school does not make one's opinion on education policy valid. That's like telling a doctor one's diagnosis is valid because one has been to the doctor before.
As long as we discount the experts' opinions in order to give laypeople's opinions equal standing, we will continue to spiral out of control.
Unless you are an expert, your opinion does not deserve the same weight as the experts'.
Mr. Engel, you're missing the point. Free speech is protected from government hinderance. While Phil Robertson has the right to spew his racist and homophobic views, and even to do so in the cloak of the loving Christian God, no one - not you nor I nor the A&E network, is obligated to give him a bully pulpit.
Phil Robertson will continue to stubbornly defend his right to believe what he believes. The government is not stopping him. Therefore, his right to free speech has not been abridged.
"The tu quoque fallacy is committed when it is assumed that because someone else has done a thing there is nothing wrong with doing it. This fallacy is classically committed by children who, when told off, respond with “So and so did it too”, with the implied conclusion that there is nothing wrong with doing whatever it is that they have done. This is a fallacy because it could be that both children are in the wrong, and because, as we were all taught, two wrongs don’t make a right.
(1) The Romans kept slaves.
(2) We can keep slaves too."
"Description of Ad Hominem
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:
Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
I missed that this was a preemptive strike against alprova, who had made no previous post in this thread, so the ad hominem fallacy was not as specific as was perhaps necessary. The information about alprova's career was meant to poison the well. Shall I provide you with a more accurate link than wikipedia? I post once in a great while. If I needed an ego boost from the likes of this forum, I might post as often as, say, Jt6gR3hM, and I might change my screen name as often as well.
Hitler used the logic that since the US had also committed genocide, that the US could not in good faith condemn him. Your very first argument pointed the finger at Rachel Maddow, suggesting that she should not be able to condemn Mr. Paul's actions because of similar indiscretions.
Jt6gR3hM said "You’re simply being “too clever by half” in that you have misinterpreted common “ridiculing” of a web site blow-hard as something you wish to incorrectly make more complex to feed your need for an ego boost."
I post once in a great while. If I needed an ego boost from the likes of this forum, I might post as often as, say, Jt6gR3hM, and I might change my screen name as often as well.
And I am now finished feeding the troll.
Hitler defended his attempts to exterminate the Jews by recounting the systematic extermination of Native Americans by the United States. By the logic displayed above, that removes the onus from Hitler and proves the United States had no right to stop him.
What is perhaps most amusing to me is that the former monicker of one of the previous commenters matches the type of logical fallacy presented in the arguments: Tu Quoque. And, based off the unrelated attacks on alprova's career, we should expect your next handle to be Ad Hominem, right?
Perhaps the lesbian suicide rate is so high because of all the pious condemnation and judgement by men and women who base their opinions off of obscure, ambiguous references in an oft translated and re-translated 2,000 year old book.
If you are really looking for lines to cherry pick, how about, "Judge not lest ye be judged." If you feel that homosexuality is wrong, then don't be homosexual. Then go on with your life and let others go on with theirs. If God is truly anti-gay, then the 'sin' will be dealt with by God. Quit trying to do what you interpret to be God's job.
Perhaps it is the mindset of recent years in this country that we should be examining here. We live in one of the most divided periods in US history. Our media and government have created a culture of fear. Our schools have been ineffective in delivering the tools citizens need to determine fact from noise from doublespeak. The fact is that emotional people have great difficulty making rational decisions. While one can argue that this tragedy would not have been as bad without guns, @jesse makes the valid point that guns are not necessary to prevent psychopaths from wreaking havoc.
The promotion of absolutism by our media and leaders will likely play a role in this massacre. Whether it's learned that he had a political, religious, or some other agenda, you can bet he felt his actions were justified.