Ok, I haven't visited here or commented in a little over 2 years. It's good to see things haven't changed much. :)
First: How on earth did a cartoon about drunk teens on Signal Mountain turn in to a debate about Benghazi?
Second, to go back on topic for a minute (sorry everyone...) I wanted to respond to one of Alprova's comments:
"They posted their pictures ONE TIME. If that's enough to screw with their emotional and psychological well-being, then they are in for a rough life ahead."
These days, it seems like that is more than enough to damage people's emotional or psychological well-being. It's a paradox to me. Everyone shares all the idiot details of their life (no matter how embarrassing) on Facebook and Twitter, but the moment the get caught and it gets broadcast in the news, we hear whining of how that is psychologically damaging to these poor kids who were just trying to have fun...
It baffles me Al. Because apparently that is enough to damage them... according to experts. But will they be in for a rough life? Nah... they will probably be coddled because of it.
inquiringmind: My wife works, and has worked in an inner city school here in town for many years now. I'm quite aware of what goes on in them. I have lunch with other inner city school teachers and administrators on a semi-regular basis. Trust me, I hear about what goes on. And telling someone to "try hard, do well, and succeed" hardly ignores reality. What are you telling them to do? "Be lazy, sit on your butt, complain about everyone and the government will give you a check for it"? I'm sorry, I'd rather try and fail a million times than never try to better myself.
And I have done work with homeless minitries. Inner city and rural. And I've seen plenty of people who know that they can't blame other for their own situation that they created. Or that they can't rely on others to bring them out of a situation they were born in to. Though they appreciated the help we offered, they were determined to get up on their own for most things.
xyzyra: I don't think you quite understand. Yeah, there are going to be some students, even at inner city schools, that are good, great, or outstanding. I know many students from those inner city schools who have gone on to college, some local, some higher colleges than I would have EVER been able to get into. And I have never, and will never say that the inner city schools are bad. I know many of the teachers. I know how they work with their students and they give them every opportunity they can. And I know how the students disrespect them, ignore them, and threaten them. The level of teaching at inner city schools is not to blame... and no one has been blaming that, as you are insinuating. The problem is the majority of the students apathy towards their education.
Your example still just shows how one girl who respected herself enough to try has done very well. And she is not alone. There are many students at those scools who TRY. Who WANT to learn. Who listen and do what they are asked to do, and who do NOT associate themselves with gangs and the like. That doesn't speak for the others though...
xyzyra: your example really only supports what Rhonda was saying. You gave an example of ONE child in the inner city schools whose parents cared enough about her education to take it more seriously. Obviously, this child cared about it as well and bettered herself by trying. Rhonda's point was that too many of them don't care, don't try or anything. And she was wondering, if slaves 200 years ago cared enough to better themselves one their own, why don't these kids try to do it when they are having all the opportunities given to them? Slaves learned to read. Some of these inner-city kids at these schools don't even try to go that far.
The reason they test below average is because several don't show up for class but one day a week (if that). Many who do show up to class sleep through it or listen to their iPods, no matter what the teachers try to do. Many, who are smart and COULD pass most of the tests, just don't care. So when given the test, they turn it in blank, or just scribble something down and turn it in. That is if they turn it in at all.
The rest of your post didn't make much sense...
Salsa: What make Thurman a racist?
Thank you bluedagger for being intelligent.
Thank you inquiringmind for proving that no matter what the situation, or what the actual reason for the situation, there will always be people like you who say it is racially motivated just because you have no other leg to stand on.
I don't even think Rhonda could have chosen better words. What better way to make the point that no matter what situation you are in, YOU and ONLY YOU can make it better by bettering yourself, than using the way slaves bettered themselves. She was praising black people who were born slaves but worked to overcome it.
And saying that the only problem in those inner city schools is racism is just ignorant. How can that be the only problem, when most the teachers there (white or black) give their students (white or black) as many opportunities as possible to pass a simple test, make up work, do credit recovery, and so on... and all that happens is they get cussed at or pushed by the student, yelled at by parents who think their kid is always right no matter how many times they've been suspended or arrested, and pretty much just beaten up (not literally) for trying to help? That's racism? Really?
Yeah, we shouldn't criticize those in prison... the theives, rapists, murderers, cheats and swindlers are not to blame. Society pushed them to it. We should give them all the luxuries of a country club.
Whatever. You commit the crime, you face the consequences. Maybe the rate of repeat offenders wouldn't be so bad if conditions in prison were worse. Two meals a day is too much. They should get one decent helping of mush a day. Enough to keep them healthy enough to make them work at a job for no pay. A job that does something good for the rest of society. Visitation should be limited and very restricted. They don't deserve the comfort of their families and friends when they stole the comfort from someone else's family or friends. They are criminals and should be treated as such. Why on earth should they be coddled and handed everything they want at the expense of those they tried to steal life and liberty from???
I would hate to see lkeith go. That's one that brings intelligence to the discussion. And someone with an open mind who will listen to what you have to say rather than let their biased get in the way. You'll be missed if you go.
Happy Veteran's Day to all who have served. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Your service, in war and in peace is something everyone should admire.
I agree with Reaganwasright. But oh well. I also like hambone's ideas in his 9:01 post. It would truly cut back the ridiculous spending in these areas.
On another note, completely unrelated. I just saw this article and thought it was funny for Obama haters and Palin haters alike. Have a laugh with me:
Yeah, you are still stuck on the first definition of Pride. Other verses in the Bible say:
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might...
Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men.
1 Corinthians 10:31
... whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." (meaning your skills came from God).
Other religions tell you to take pride in your work:
Bhagavad Gita 2.48:
Do your duty to the best of your ability
Bhagavad Gita 2.50:
Working to the best of one’s abilities without becoming selfishly attached to the fruits of work is called Karma-yoga or Seva.
Muhammad said: God blesses those who perfect their craft.
Confucius said: The expectations of life depend upon diligence; the mechanic that would perfect his work must first sharpen his tools.
And: Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.
We live in a secular world where all religions don't mesh. Yet, they seem to agree on this.
The secular world understands this, why don't you?
All of the above reflect the second definition of pride; and the idiomatic expression "take pride in".
It's not that difficult to understand.
Also, the Bible does not mention "7 Deadly Sins". That was coined by man for illustration purposes, but that is not entirely Biblical.