The 5@10 has become as much a part of my lunch as sweet tea, so thanks...also, I enjoy the show. I'm a UT fan, but understand your feelings about Art Briles. Over the past 10 years and several coahing hires, there always seems to be names that come up that are proven coaches on the field, but have less than admirable actions away from the field, Bobby Petrino is one that comes to mind, and I always find myself weighing the good and the bad...as die hard football fans, we want our team to be successful, but also, we want them to be of good character and be respectable members of the community, and to set the example for the players. It is obvious that it is hard to find the best of both, and when you do, you should hang on to him if possible. Two SEC Coaches immediately come to mind, Phil Fulmer and Mark Richt, both outstanding character, and pretty good coaches, but in both cases, the fan base became accustomed to some success and wanted more. For UT, most fans, although some wont admit it, that demanded a coaching change at that time, now wish it would have never happened. We will see what happens at UGA...after Kiffin was hired at UT, it was a "win at all cost" mentality, and the result was the head coach breaking a lot of rules (Institutional and moral) and jumping ship after one season.
Louisville was willing to take another chance on Petrino and as far as we know, it has turned out great for them. Would Auburn, or LSU now be willing to look past his past misdeeds and give him a chance? There's other names being tossed around that have questionable character, such as Kiffin. Im curious who your Rushmore of "unhirable" coaches would be. Briles would have to be far left at the present right?
Welcome to the show, and thanks for playing along in the afternoon on Press Row.
Great breakdown of the good-guy coach and how that can unravel. It's amazing really, the way college football fans can become frustrated, and then spin things to simply nonsensical diatribes.
The baseline truth is that everyone in the SEC wants to win championships. That's understandable. But where it spins to a place that has become crazy is in the last decade.
Fans thought Fulmer needed to go because he was too fat. (Seriously.) Fans though Richt needed to go because he was too calm. (Yes, seriously.) Fill in the blank, and it today's SEC realm, you likely can find an example to stretch the imagination and expand the narrative.
Lots of folks have called this "Got Sabaned" meaning that a lot of coaches around the league are being measured against a guy who is in our view the best to ever coach a college football team. (Sorry Bear and Bear fans, but what Saban is doing in an era of competitive challenges and recruiting restrictions is mind-numbing by comparison.)
Let's explore a different theory. Yes, there's truth to the "Got Sabaned" theory. The money is so great every fan base wants to know why their coach can't work as hard and be as intense as Saban. And as the beat goes on and on, more guys will get Sabaned.
But there's also the Chizik/Cam factor in this. Because Auburn won a national title in 2010, every fan base expects to reach that height. It's somewhat understandable for the rest of the SEC for Alabama and the best coach ever to have a ton of success. It can be explained in the last decade that Urban Meyer and the modern force that is Florida reached the pinnacle. But for Georgia fans and Tennessee fans especially — and other fan bases around the South, reaching into Texas — the fact that Auburn reached the mountain-top, and played for another in 2013, scrambles the mind.
With that comes the increased expectations — real or imagined — and the drop in patience. And that drop in patience, means too frequent reset buttons in a lot of places.
Which leads ADs and fan bases talking themselves into believing that this next hire could be the Bobby Petrino at Louisville or the next Meyer from Utah type of scenario.
In that direction, your Rushmore question of most unhireable coaches starts and stops with Jerry Sandusky. In fact he's so far left, that he's his own mountain of shame, but he's on there because he represents every coach implicated in that Penn State cover-up in our mind.
Next, we concur with the Briles suggestion, and would follow that up with Derek Dooley (because of the disaster it was at Tennessee and the collective grown and outrage it would generate from the fan base) and for a major job, we'll add Mike Price.
From Fat Vader
Mailbag Questions: On the back of a hot-seat matchup between LSU and Auburn, who do you see being the first SEC coach fired? Do you forsee any coach being fired mid season and not finishing all 12? On the same path, Who do you think will be the most sought after coach this offseason?
Husky Vader —
Another great question, and our answer is Derek Mason at Vandy.
We think this will happen in November and maybe before, because it allows Vandy to get a jump start.
Of the two names/schools you mentioned, well, the loser of Saturday's game instantly will be on the hottest seat in college football. (At least until the Texas-Oklahoma game, and the accompanying heat that could come from that pressure cooker.)
But of LSU and Auburn, we can't really see Auburn firing Gus Malzahn until the Sunday after the Iron Bowl, because what happens if you drop the pink slip on his desk, and then he beats Georgia and Alabama?
So of those two, we could see Miles get the dropped if Alabama comes to Baton Rouge and the grass-chewer gets Sabaned. (And yes, we are trying to work 'Sabaned' into every answer today.)
JG- Florida is anywhere from a 6 to 10 point underdog to UTK. Florida playing a back-up QB, and Florida's offense is not very good. UTK should win this at home very easy....my question, IF UTK losses will the VOL fans blame this on the usual targets ( Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, Hamilton, Counzo, etc ) or will new targets emerge like Butch, DeBord or even Dobbs?
There are no old-school skeletons in the closet for the Vols this weekend.
This one is on Butch and his staff. But you bring up an interesting point about Hobbs, who has been very effective running but erratic throwing the ball.
Before we get to the blame/credit breakdown, we have a question for your Jomo: Would you trade a UTC loss Saturday for a UTK loss Saturday, considering the misery it would cause the Big Orange Nation? (And if we had to guess, if you are being truthful, you'd answer yes to that. Thoughts?)
If UT losses to Florida on Saturday — in Knoxville for a paralyzing 12th consecutive time in the series (wow, that's hard to even write) — here are the blame victims. Since we have five, let's do a 5-in-10 by the 5-at-10:
Mike Debord. Unless its 35-31, OC will be in the crosshairs.
Don Mahoney. The offensive line has been bad. Mahoney coaches them.
Butch Jones. The questions about his gamed acumen will grow. Exponentially.
Injuries. Yes, both sides are hurt, but still.
Josh Dobbs. Whispers for Quentin Dormandy will become louder. Much louder.
And if Tennessee loses Saturday, here's hoping no one gets Sabaned afterward. (Yeah, that felt like a reach.)
Man, the Patriots are amazing. Was listening to you guys (Thursday) and heard you talking about all the winning Belichick has done with different quarterbacks. How long would you think it would take for Belichick to build a championship team in college or high school?
What a great question.
And we got a few that asked whether Belichick or Brady deserves credit for the Patriots' long-term success.
We think each deserve a large measure of the credit, but give the slight edge to Belichick, all things considered. He's a master, and while he's on the shortlist of the best professional coaches across all sports, his record without Brady is now 13-5. How will Popovich do without Duncan this year? How did Phil Jackson do without either Jordan or Kobe?
Yes, those guys are great coaches and they helped and were helped by all-time greats.
Brady is an all-time great for sure, but look at the numbers:
Belichick and Brady with the Patriots (since week 3 of the 2001 season when Brady took over for the injured Drew Bledsoe): 194-60 (.764 winning percentage).
Belichick and every other quarterback not named Brady since then: 13-5 (.722 winning percentage). Of note here, Brady started the first game of 2007 and it was a win in the 11-5 season that Matt Cassel played quarterback for Belichick and the Pats. That's why the record with non-Brady starting quarterbacks is 13-5 and not 14-5.
Now, to be fair, Belichick's record before Brady was fairly mediocre, and Brady should get a lot of credit for helping Belichick establish his system and policies in New England. Because we all know you could have the best plan in the world, but if doesn't show success or promise, then it will be discarded rather quickly.
Now, with Brady and Belichick check all the right boxes, the Pats get the benefit of veteran players — real professionals — taking less money to be part of a week-in, week-out winner. There's value in that.
As for the success on other levels, we believe Belichick would struggle on the college level for a lot of the same reasons the NFL kind of Sabaned Saban.
Saban's biggest edge is he is arguably the best recruiter in the history of the game and the most underrated talent evaluator. The latter helps in the NFL, the former is wasted. Belichick does not give the vibe that he would be an all-world recruiter, so that would be a huge factor.
That said, if Belichick was hired by an even decent high school, here's betting he'd have a state-title contender within two years. (And let's be truthful, when word got out that Coach Hoodie was running the Westside Tigers, well, the players would come running.)
Enjoy a great weekend gang.