published Thursday, December 9th, 2010

Season's Greetings

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Clara said...

Happy, Merry, Christmas, Holidays.....?

December 9, 2010 at 4:34 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Happy Horrordaze! (smirk)

December 9, 2010 at 5:38 a.m.
woody said...

I can and will respond to either. However, anyone and everyone who uses the term "X-Mas" will forevermore be on "The Naughty List" and should expect nothing in return for their efforts.

Ho, Ho, Ho, Woody

December 9, 2010 at 6:02 a.m.
MTJohn said...

I think it is time take Christ out of X-ma$$$$

December 9, 2010 at 6:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

From the D.C. elected elite: Times are tough, times are hard, here is your #$^%# Christmas card. I will fulfill your worst fears and take it back in two years. Remember, all the money belongs to us, we just let you keep some of it.

Merry Christmas and as depicted in the cartoon if that offends you that's just tough. Political correctness and sensitivity are not my strong points.

December 9, 2010 at 6:14 a.m.
GAIntrigue said...

Happy Advent!

If you don't get that, then happy season where advertisers have spent millions of dollars convincing you that hope and happiness can be bought in a store.

December 9, 2010 at 6:24 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MTJohn said: "I think it is time take Christ out of X-ma$$$$"

You’re certainly right about this, MT John.

It more like the "season" of pushing, shoving, elbowing, and trampling.

December 9, 2010 at 6:39 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

"Keep Saturn in Saturnalia"

December 9, 2010 at 7:07 a.m.
xsiveporsche said...

Bah Humbug

December 9, 2010 at 7:23 a.m.
EaTn said...

There are many in this country who profess to be of the faith but few who are personally know by Christ. By comparison, this is like knowing about the President, Pope, etc versus them knowing us by name. The extreme depiction of the cartoon is one of our many actions in this country that reflect our true character.

December 9, 2010 at 7:59 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ha. I'm one of the Christmas people, and when "happy Holidays" comes across as anti-Christmas, as "bah humbug," it's annoying, but...

God come to earth is worth celebrating! Merry Christmas! When "the firstbegotten" comes into the world, to be "tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin," then "let all the angels of God worship him." Merry Christmas! He didn't become like the angels to save them, but became "the seed of Abraham" in whom "all nations of the earth shall be blessed." Merry Christmas!

If $$$$$mas is too much for you, give Christmas $$$ to your church's deaconal fund, or the Salvation Army, or Times Neediest Cases, or "Choices" (formerly AAA), or the Libertarian Party or the Institute for Justice, or... so those who don't have everything can have a bit more; and let the people you love who have everything know you love them in Christ Jesus.

Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays.

December 9, 2010 at 8:11 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Boycott the Salvation Army.. they are hateful bigots. Your donation is your approval of their bigotry.

Donate to secular humanistic organizations that have no such restrictions in their help.

Doctors Without Borders, AmeriCares, Humanist Charities of the American Humanist Association, and the American Red Cross are but a few.

December 9, 2010 at 8:24 a.m.

Hey Bennett,

Merry Christmas!

December 9, 2010 at 9:10 a.m.
Dumbledore403 said...

eeeeeek- Being a lapsed soldier with the Salvation Army I agree and disagree with your sentiment. During this time of the year, they do help a lot of people that otherwise would not get help. But I certainty do not send anything to them for the thrift store.

December 9, 2010 at 9:33 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Happy Festivus one and all!

December 9, 2010 at 10:12 a.m.
MTJohn said...

AndrewLohr said, "God come to earth is worth celebrating!"

I agree with this sentiment. However, the most appropriate celebration is that which occurs at the personal level between God and the individual. The way we celebrate the secular holiday in this country - including groups that insist on public displays of the nativity; groups that boycott stores that say "happy holidays"; etc. etc. - detract from the commemoration of God come to earth.

AndrewLohr said, "If $$$$$mas is too much for you, give Christmas $$$ to your church's deaconal fund, or the Salvation Army, or Times Neediest Cases, or "Choices" (formerly AAA), or the Libertarian Party or the Institute for Justice, or..."

I agree with this sentiment, too. However, I fail to understand how supporting either the Libertarian Party or the Institute for Justice has anything to do with communicating the fact God is love. The God of Christmas sacrificed for our sake and invites to likewise sacrifice for the sake of others. Libertarianism, like other political movements, is a secular movement. And, like other secular movements, Libertarianism is very much focused on promoting selfish interests - a focus that is very much at odds with the message of Christmas. And, as a footnote, remember that Ayn Rand was a devout atheist.

December 9, 2010 at 10:23 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Dumbledore403 - yes, they a lot of good, providing the helpee fits their recepient criteria.

It is time for people to put money on helping people in need, secularly.

There are groups that would not demand a gay couple (who have been together longer than most marriages I know) to renounce their love for each other before assisting them.

Other bad things they've done.. In 2001, the Salvation Army headquarters stopped all domestic partner benefits in California because they were going to gay staff members and their families

In 2004, they threatened to close soup kitchens in New York City and stop programs for the homeless if the local government enacted legislation that would require firms that do business with New York to offer health benefits to partners of gay staffers

The Salvation Army worked closely with the previous Bush administration to make it easier for government-funded religious groups to discriminate against gay people

The Salvation Army has actively fought against the repeal of anti-gay laws overseas

By supporting them you support the spreading of hate and bigotry.

There would be more avenues of support if you donated elsewhere.

December 9, 2010 at 10:49 a.m.
woody said...

Eeeeeek, I heard someone say one time, "I don't believe in God." To which, another person replied, "That's alright, as long as he believes in you."

Of course, that's just one version of an old, old adage, but it still rings true today.

My first impulse, relating to your earlier post about "boycotting" the Salvation Army, was to rant and rave at you like so many have done on numerous occasions about one innocuous reason or another. However, due to the fact, I was taught better than that in many Salvation Army Sunday Schools, music camps, Boy Scout camps and leadership gatherings, I allowed my temporary disdain for you to subside before replying

There aren't too many things in this life I have led which have or will make me mad. My parents are no longer living but I am still quite protective of their memories, my wife and family, of course, and the church where I found God, where He had been waiting for me all along.

I won't go into your ignorance about the "Army's" humanitarian projects around the globe, but I can assure you they have been conducting them a lot longer than all the other organizations you mentioned..and likely all 'lumped' together.

Now, if you don't like your 'perceived' notion as to the Salvation Army's dealings, or lack thereof, with openly gay people, that is your opinion,,and you have a "right" to it and to share it if you so choose.

However, taking a position contrary to that of any church is something which should be thought about long and hard before it is ever made widely known, if ever.

Again, God loves you and that may likely never change. But those of us who were taught, nurtured and, yes, even "saved" by The Salvation Army would deeply appreciate it if you could keep the rest of your posts today a little more 'on target.'

Thank you, Woody

December 9, 2010 at 1:07 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

I thought yesterdays or todays cartoon would have dealt with President Obama deciding to cross over and become a Republican. Forrest Gump was right.

December 9, 2010 at 1:18 p.m.
user_name said...

"Xmas" is not a way of taking Christ out of Christmas. "X" is a way of abbreviating "Christ" that has it's origins in Greek letters, and goes back to the Emperor Constantine.

However, those looking for a way to brainwash others into sharing their viewpoint will use general ignorance of this subject to their advantage.

December 9, 2010 at 1:25 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I think that both sayings are fine. The type of comments here are probably the inspiration for the cartoon.

December 9, 2010 at 1:27 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

User_name,

What Greek letter does the "$" symbol that MTJohn includes in his "X-mas$$$$" post represent?

December 9, 2010 at 2 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Jon Stewart had a great animation clip on just this subject the other night. Take a highly entertaining look here if you missed it:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-6-2010/the-gretch-who-saved-the-war-on-christmas

December 9, 2010 at 2:01 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

Thanks Woody for giving me another target to comment about.

Your god doesn't love anyone; it doesn't exist.

Yes, I admitted they do good. But with any denial of help, the cost is too high. Atheists are never helped without lying. Gays will be tolerated as long as they remain single and celebate. Single mothers need to find a husband. Etc.

Ignorance can be remedied by research. Turning a blind eye and donating to this bigoted organization because it's the easy to do, is acceptance of the bigotry.

The kind of bigotry that causes kids to kill themselves, the kind of bigotry that causes refusal of benefits to significant others because the benefits would be required to be offered to "teh gays" under their employment.

Hate so far up their butts they'd rather refuse an entire city of homeless help, than be required to offer health benefits the gays.

My original post is well on target in reply to a prior post by Andrew calling to donate to the SA. All hate groups should be disbanded. Including religious organizations.

My comment was to donate to secular help organizations. Those that won't make people suffer through the make believe rantings of religious nutjobs as a requirement

Feel free to continue defending your god and the bigots. Keep your blind eye turned.

FYI donations of toys that don't meet the shameful army's criteria, don't make it to the kids. Harry Potter and Twilight toys are disposed of. Plastic M-16s is perfect for the 10-year-olds.

As for how much of the donations that actually go to helping people... The local United Way, 100% of donations go to helping people locally. The overhead is funded from another direction.

Salvation Army, unsure.. last I read, 1.6 billion of the 2 billion they acquired world wide went to overhead. I don't have that info handy where the 20% went to.

December 9, 2010 at 2:17 p.m.
woody said...

Eeeeeek..the only thing left to say would be similar to the conversation once held between Madalyn Murray O'Hare and someone (I can't remember who) from the world of "organized religion".

It went something like, "...Ms. O'Hare if you are right and there is truly no God or Hereafter to consider everything is moot. But..if I am right, and you should at least consider that option..then at some point you had better hope God has a real good sense of humor...."

Cross your fingers, Woody

December 9, 2010 at 2:35 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

God does have a sense of humor...He made Sarah Palin.

Happy Christmas!

December 9, 2010 at 3:06 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Eeeeeek said: "Salvation Army, unsure.. last I read, 1.6 billion of the 2 billion they acquired world wide went to overhead. I don't have that info handy where the 20% went to."

Unlike other major charities, the Salvation Army does not have to report and/or file records with the IRS and state authorities because they are considered to be a church.

Since the Salvation Army is known mostly for their efforts to provide shelter, food, sundries and clothing for the homeless, it’s reasonable to assume that salaries, facility maintenance and food costs account for most of their overhead. The remaining 20% you reference most likely reflects their administrative costs, which falls within the charitable guidelines set by IRS and most states.

Any non-profit organization that receives monies from the federal government cannot impose their religious beliefs on those that might be benefiting from their services.

December 9, 2010 at 4:05 p.m.
LibDem said...

I wish all of you happy holidays. I'm very old and long retired. I no longer need to pretend to be enamored of a month long commercial festival to avoid offending business associates.

Woody: The conundrum is should an atheist believe as a backup in case he's wrong? There are at least a couple of problems: 1. Can a god be fooled? 2. What if I end up spending eternity on a cloud listening to Rev. Billy Graham talk about how wonderful he is? After about a week, my head will explode and blow off my wings.

December 9, 2010 at 5:03 p.m.
mmlj said...

Woody,

I love what you've had to say today. Thanks for fighting the good fight. Rarely does such a fight turn into high approval rating. But narrow is the path...

God bless. Merry Christmas.

mmlj

December 9, 2010 at 5:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MERRY CHRISTMAS OR HAPPY HOLIDAYS

“Republicans Block U.S. Health Aid for 9/11 Workers” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/nyregion/10health.html?_r=1&hp

“Elizabeth Edwards Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Baptist Church” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/elizabeth-edwards-funeral-westboro-baptist-church_n_794333.html

“New Republican lawmakers are hiring lobbyists, despite campaign rhetoric” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/08/AR2010120806221.html?hpid=topnews

“E-mails targeting Texas House Speaker . . . cite his Judaism, rivals' Christianity” http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/DN-speaker_17tex.ART.State.Edition1.b180a7.html

“Senate GOP Blocks Cloture On Repeal Of Don't Ask, Don't Tell” http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/senate-gop-blocks-cloture-on-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell.php?ref=fpi

State Dept: No One Touched 'Dancing Boy' At DynCorp Party http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/state_dept_no_one_touched_dancing_boy_at_dyncorp_p.php?ref=fpblg

December 9, 2010 at 5:35 p.m.
Francis said...

i'm enjoying watching the democrat party implode.....

great christmas gift.

December 9, 2010 at 6:58 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

I'm enjoying watching the republican party implode....

great holiday gift.

December 9, 2010 at 8:59 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Francis and Seasmokie

Enjoy it while you can. Washington's implosion doesn't bode well for us peasants. The pols fiddle while we burn.

If you haven't seen the commercial with the Chinese professor lecturing about what happened to the USA, try to watch it. More prophetic than not.

December 9, 2010 at 10:11 p.m.
Oz said...

Forbes info on the Salvation Army and other charities.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/14/charity-10_Salvation-Army_CH0144.html

December 9, 2010 at 10:55 p.m.
woody said...

Okay..same topic, different day.

First..thank you mmlj and LibDem, both of your responses were worth waking up to this morning..and mountainlaurel you were really quite busy yesterday.

Here we are once again (it's become almost as traditional as the holiday some would rather not recognize) debating over which is the best (or most politically correct way) to say that which we really feel at this festive time of the year.

I am not Jewish but I have wished many a Happy Chanukah. For the life of me, I honestly don't understand where Kwanzaa come from or how I lived nearly half my life before I heard of it for the first time. And I won't even get started on why some faiths don't believe (in church) Christ was actually born on December 25th, but do celebrate the day behind the closed doors of their homes.

However, let me point out something really important here. As long as you are alive, and regardless of your beliefs that is the most important thing here, say what you will to me and I will try to respond as positively as I can to let you know how happy I am to also be alive and especially at this festive time of the year.

Smiling broadly, Woody

December 10, 2010 at 6:51 a.m.
LibDem said...

Thanks, Woody. I'm not qualified to judge but as an outside observer, I find that there are religious people who are positive, have a sense of humor, and rarely are mean spirited. Regardless of your religious leanings, you have to see these as good people and wish them well with their holidays.

December 10, 2010 at 8:34 a.m.
delmar said...

Being this is my first time posting here and given the topic of the cartoon I thought I would give everyone here a gift.

Safe & Happy Holidays

http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html

December 10, 2010 at 9:08 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Woody said: "mountainlaurel, you were really quite busy yesterday."

Yes, I suppose you’re right about this, Woody. . . I sort of blame it on the monk, a friend, and a broken toe. . . It always fascinates me how one thing leads to another. . . If you hadn’t done this, then, you wouldn’t have done that. . . . Interesting how all of this goes . . . life, I mean.

Anyway, as long as we’re sharing thoughts, I want to pass along something from a book I’ve been reading - it’s selections from the writings of a Trappist monk at Abbey of Gethsemani, Kentucky:

". . . I have learned that an age in which politicians talk about peace is an age in which everybody expects war: the great men of the earth would not talk of peace so much if they did not secretly believe it possible, with one more war, to annihilate their enemies forever.

Always, "after just one more war" it will dawn, the new era of love: but first everybody who is hated must be eliminated. For hate, you see, is the mother of their kind of love.

Unfortunately the love that is to be born out of hate will never be born. Hatred is sterile; it breeds nothing but the image of its own empty fury, its own nothingness.

Love cannot come of emptiness. It is full of reality. Hatred destroys the real being of man in fighting the fiction which it calls "the enemy." For man is concrete and alive, but "the enemy" is a subjective abstraction.

A society that kills real men in order to deliver itself from the phantasm of a paranoid delusion is already possessed by the demon of destructiveness because it has made itself incapable of love.

It refuses, a priori, to love. It is dedicated not to concrete relations of man with man, but only to abstractions about politics, economics, psychology, and even, sometimes, religion.."

[from Seeds – Thomas Merton]

December 10, 2010 at 10:09 a.m.
delmar said...

mountainlaurel, I don't mean to sound sappy here, but while reading your post my mind couldn't help but play John Lennon's "Imagine" in the background. Food for thought.

December 10, 2010 at 10:54 a.m.
mkelley said...

"x" in xmas refers to the Greek origins where the "C" in Christ is an "X". In fact, Christians started using XMas centuries ago.

http://www.crivoice.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html

December 10, 2010 at 12:31 p.m.
alprova said...

mountainlaurel, your quotes above have given me inspiration to add a couple of his works to my Christmas list. I feel that they would be a fine asset to my personal library. I read a brief biography about the man and wondered why I had not heard of him before. Thank you.

This upcoming religious holiday that most of us celebrate for one or more of several reasons demonstrates that as a people, tolerance and acceptance for those who may have alternative religious beliefs is at an all-time low, or it would seem so anyway.

People who have lived in this nation for years, to the best of my knowledge and with few exceptions, and who do not embrace Christmas for it's religious significance, quite often participate in the festivities without complaint.

It is a holiday that everyone can enjoy, if allowed to do so.

The problems I have noticed, come whenever any institution, public or private, attempts to use any generic terminology or symbols to commemorate the holiday season.

It's never those who are moderate in their beliefs who find it necessary to speak up in protest. It seems to be always those with extreme religious views who always seem to put a damper on anything that people find enjoyable, because they, themselves most likely lack true joy in their hearts.

No one needs to remind me that Christmas comes once a year, and that it is a date set aside to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ. At the same time, I am sick and tired of people who feel the need to ruin every December with protests if a bank refuses to erect a Christmas tree in it's lobby, or if generic terminology is offered when closing a sale at a retailer.

There is far more written in the Bible to suggest that a Christmas Tree is a pagan custom. There are no passages to suggest that Christmas is to be celebrated by anyone, on any day of the year.

I'm in no manner suggesting that there is any harm in celebrating the birth of our Lord, or that it is specifically prohibited biblically, but there are too many people floating around this country, smug as a bug in their self-righteousness, just as they are about everything else they believe will propel them to Heaven when they die.

I wish people a Merry Christmas on a daily basis during this month, and I have never been corrected by someone who may have alternative beliefs.

I will guarantee you, that if I were to change that wish to one of "Happy Holidays," I would be "corrected" many times a day, by those who feel that it is their duty, religious or otherwise, to dispute any pleasantry used to describe this season in a bidding of farewell.

My usual response to anyone who would dare correct my chosen terminology, is to say, "Why thank you" and to say nothing more. The lack of returning that which they expect to receive in response to their act of their utter rudeness, drives them up a wall, and that puts a smile of pure joy on my face each and every time.

December 10, 2010 at 12:36 p.m.
acerigger said...

mountainlaurel | On: December 10, 2010 at 10:09 a.m. Thanks for sharing that. I wish you ALL peace and prosperity!

December 10, 2010 at 12:52 p.m.
Abe said...

It makes sense when one Christian says to another, Merry Christmas.

But do say to someone who may or may not be a Christian, Merry Christmas, is as nonsensical as saying Happy Birthday to everyone you meet just because it happens to be your birthday.

Calling a Christmas tree a holiday tree? Stupid.

But assuming everyone you meet, or everyone who shops at your store, is a Christian? Also stupid. And rude.

"Happy Holidays" isn't a war on Christmas. It's a recognition that people have different faiths.

December 10, 2010 at 1:08 p.m.
woody said...

Delmar, feel "sappy" all you'd like. My 'mind's ear' couldn't hear the music as well as yours, but it did bring back to mind, younger days when I used to spout a lot of "Jung."

Mountainlaurel, that was beautiful..abstract, somewhat, too, but beautiful nonetheless..and "deep." I can't wait for Alprova to log on..I could only imagine he should really appreciate it.

Smiling..and quite content, Woody

December 10, 2010 at 1:31 p.m.
Clara said...

delmar,

Welcome!

1100 or so comments were a bit much to go through. Forget the drugs. A lot of the posters were using them to get to what they thought was "truth".

Only in an aware state of self can you have an answer. And since each one of us is unique, the "Now" can only be based on their own past experiences and their concerns about the future.

I really don't see how your response fits in with the subject of the cartoon, but then, I'm pretty much out of Philosophy.

Thank you for trying to gift us.

December 10, 2010 at 1:43 p.m.
Clara said...

mountainlaurel,

It takes me longer to post a mark for usefullness than it does to make a comment.

I liked your reference to Thomas Merton at 10:09 a.m.

December 10, 2010 at 2 p.m.
Clara said...

delmar,

I was NOT belittling the posting by Dr.Taylor about her stroke, just the responses by the posters.

Dr. Taylor sounds like she's read Eckhardt Tolle.

December 10, 2010 at 2:20 p.m.
sd said...

Great cartoon, Clay. One of my favorites.

Several years ago my parents got riled up about the whole Seasons Greetings v Merry Christmas business and said they'd boycott Target. I'm not sure how long that lasted, but they shop at Target now, so I guess the hard feelings ran their course.

December 10, 2010 at 3:37 p.m.
delmar said...

Clara, I can't say whether Dr. Taylor has read Tolle or not, my belief is that Tolle could learn something from Dr. Taylor though. In retrospect, perhaps the video won't have the same meaning to other folks as it does for me. I do hope however that it inspires folks to be more conscientious and compassionate towards others and the world around us and not just for the holidays but everyday. oops! Sorry, ...sappy again.

December 10, 2010 at 5:13 p.m.
Clara said...

delmar, Perhaps he already did, which inspired his books?

December 10, 2010 at 7:43 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

BAAAA, BAAAAA, It's the economy sheeple. December 25th is just a trick. Go back before it's to late. Hey, how many of you diverse, tollerant, intellectual people uttered the words "Happy Chanukah in the last 10 days? That's what I thought. But if you are a fan of the New Testament, December 25th is what you believe to be the birth of Jesus Christ. Hey Alpo, it's not the birth of "OUR LORD." So if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas I assume they are Christian and return the wish. Just because your not in the parade dosen't mean you have to rain on it. Please remember to be as tollerant of others as you expect them to be of you. Yes, It's a Christmas Tree. No one should have a problem with that. Yes it is a Nativity Scene. That is how the story goes. If you have a problem with the whole thing you are a very narrow minded person. As to the fanantic fundamental Christians, please stop acting as if there is only one belief and everyone must conform to your way. Thats how the Democratic Party started.

December 10, 2010 at 7:47 p.m.
alprova said...

whatsthefuss wrote: "BAAAA, BAAAAA, It's the economy sheeple. December 25th is just a trick. Go back before it's to late."


Go back WHERE before it's too late?


"Hey, how many of you diverse, tollerant, intellectual people uttered the words "Happy Chanukah in the last 10 days? That's what I thought."


Well, to be honest, I am not in the habit of wishing people "Happy Hanukkah" unless I am certain they are of the Jewish faith. And as luck may have it, I have not encountered such people thus far this season.


"But if you are a fan of the New Testament, December 25th is what you believe to be the birth of Jesus Christ."


Based on what that is written in the New Testament? That date is purely conjecture and it always has been.


"Hey Alpo, it's not the birth of "OUR LORD."..."


It's not? Sorry for the misunderstanding. Who's birth then are we talking about, if not the Lord Jesus Christ?

What...are you one of those KJV critics?

I sure am, but never have I been confused as to whom the Lord is, as he is referred to in the New Testament.


"Yes, It's a Christmas Tree. No one should have a problem with that."


You might want to read your Bible on that one to discover how wrong you might just be.

Jeremiah 10 - 3,4 -- "The customs of the people are worthless, they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel, they adore it with silver and gold, they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter."

Personally, I don't happen to believe that the above is in reference to a Christmas tree. In the Bible, Christmas does not exist.

The observance of Christmas as we know it, is indisputably as pagan spawned as Halloween is in October.


"Yes it is a Nativity Scene. That is how the story goes."


Yes. A STORY. You hit that one square on the head. Not one person alive on this Earth knows for sure that it is a true event that ever actually occurred.


"If you have a problem with the whole thing you are a very narrow minded person."


No, no, no. I just have a problem with narrow-minded people who get totally too wrapped up in the whole thing.

December 10, 2010 at 9:21 p.m.
Francis said...

no.......wrong.....did you see the news conference in which obama bails so he hurry to a christmas party and leaves bill clinton at the presidential podium?

i realize michelle wears the pants in that family, but..man.....how surreal can you get....what a party in chaos......

they're are imploding....they're leaderless and were thrashed in november..

the republicans have nothing to implode from...they're weren't unified in any way...they were just wishy washy...you won't know what will happen with them until january...

obama schizophrenic news conference on wed. promoting his compromise with republicans...yet trashing it...blasting his party and the other....he's lost it.....

December 10, 2010 at 10:54 p.m.
delmar said...

Know that is some funny stuff MTJohn!

December 11, 2010 at 2:31 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

ALPO, First, you know where to go. As for you, diverse dosen't apply so keep your blinders on for the duration. As to the date of "CHRISTMAS", your back to being MR. OBVIOUS. As to your use of the word "OUR" it is all inclusive so as you try to paint youself as a middle man the cat splipped out of the bag. Nice try. As to a Christmas Tree and what the bible says, If people lived by the teachings of the bible instead of picking and choosing what is convenient for them the world would be a much better place. As to the tree, it is simply tradition. I thought you knew that. Haven't you heard all the crazies running around crying that the trees and Nativity scenes are being taken down because of one person complaining. It must get back to the part about diversity!!

December 12, 2010 at 9:57 a.m.
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