published Friday, July 2nd, 2010

Man suffered 11 bullet wounds in suicide charge

A medical examiner’s report showed 11 gunshot wounds in the body of a 29-year-old man who threatened suicide and charged police officers while pointing a revolver at them.

Andrew Carr died in the driveway of his 807 Graysville Road home sometime after 4:26 a.m. Tuesday. According to police, Mr. Carr had called 911 less than an hour earlier, threatening suicide.

When officers arrived on the scene, he appeared ready to surrender after police negotiations but suddenly charged off his porch, pointing the revolver at three police officers standing 20 to 25 feet away, said Chattanooga police Capt. Tim Carroll, head of major crimes.

The medical report says Mr. Carr was “upset about a foreclosure issue” and, when he charged police, he was “screaming ‘suicide by cop.’”

The report also said Mr. Carr had a past history of drug use.

A diagram on the report shows gunshot wounds to the left side of his head, chin, chest, rib cage, lower back, arm and legs.

The 11 gunshot wounds were a combination of entry and exit wounds and grazing injuries. There is no indication at this time exactly how many shots were fired or how many times Mr. Carr was struck by bullets.

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Kristin Helm said in an e-mail that the investigation won’t be complete until “any and all laboratory reports are returned and there is a final autopsy report.”

The medical examiner’s staff said the final autopsy could take months since doctors must await toxicology reports and further details.

After Mr. Carr’s shooting, three officers — Lt. Edwin McPherson, Officer Nathan Rogers and Officer William Salyers — were placed on seven days paid administrative leave, standard procedure in officer-involved shootings, police said.

Officer Salyers also was involved in the July 18, 2009, shooting death of Alonzo Heyward, whose body had 43 gunshot wounds from six officers.

The TBI still is investigating Mr. Heyward’s shooting.

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pb080156 said...

I don't think anyone needs to be shot that many times. I think that is overkill. Wouldn't 1 gunshot properly executed by an "experienced" policeman have done the job. I support our local police as my father was a police in Chatt. for many years,but sometimes I think the police in this day and age are a little too gun happy. I am 53 yrs. old so I am not a biased "young person" and I know things are a lot worse than they used to be, but that is just too much. Also the original news story on TV never mentioned anything about him "charging off his front porch".

July 2, 2010 at 11:48 a.m.
Smith said...

I think that was just unnecessary force. 11 times? This young man needed help not killed. Something is wrong with this picture. The first story said he was just waving the gun and nothing about him charging off of anything.

July 2, 2010 at 1:15 p.m.
kc30742 said...

I'm a trained police officer in the state of Georgia. First of all let me just say to the last comment that the number of times a person is shot by police is not the issue. We are trained to stop the treat and until that treat is stoped you keep shooting. Yes one properly placed shot would of killed the person but until that threat is stopped that person can still shoot back at you. Supreme Court case Gram vs Conner and OCGA law #16-3-21 and OCGA law #17-4-20b will help people understand when the police and public can and can not use deadly force. Those are Georgia laws but the supreme court case was a case thats out of the state of Tennesse. Those police offices did excatly what they were trained to do..

July 2, 2010 at 1:16 p.m.
Skeptic101 said...

"The 11 gunshot wounds were a combination of entry and exit wounds and grazing injuries." That doesn't mean he was hit by 11 different bullets.

Still, it sounds like the police were there for awhile. Hind sight is 20/20, but it seems there should be some non-fatal procedure for handling these types of threats. Taser, rubber bullets, bean bags?

July 2, 2010 at 2:13 p.m.
MyBuddy said...

It appears there was an attempt by the writer of the article to sensationalize a tragedy. The headline is all that many will see, not the explanation further in the article that both entry and exit wounds were counted. The understandable assumption will be made by many that the police over reacted. Were I confronted by a similar situation, I would keep firing until the person pointing a weapon at me was no longer in posession of the weapon, no matter how many fellow officers were at my side firing simultaneously. Given that all three officers involved were placed on leave, it is likely all three fired their weapons. Counting entry and exit wounds, a little over three shots per officer might be reasonable if the individual threatening the officers was under the influence of narcotics. The toxicology tests will shed light on that.

July 2, 2010 at 4:50 p.m.
rolando said...

You keep firing until the threat is neutralized regardless of the number of holes. Period. Either that or YOU could be the one killed. Personally, I would prefer it to be the other guy that would my wife and kiddies.

The officers did the right thing. Two center of mass, two head shots and two or more leg shots [groin area when he didn't stop??]. Pretty good training, by my lights and experience.

These are the guys I would have protecting my back...or my front.

July 2, 2010 at 5:24 p.m.
ann said...

i to think this was over kill,why would they shoot a person down and not taser him,there:s to many shootings and tasers used today,i think they need to take another aproch to this kind of problem,had it been a different kind of race you would have had the aclu or president calderon saying it was just cruel and needed to be a punishment to those who done it

July 2, 2010 at 6:47 p.m.
rolando said...

It is rather simple, ann. Tasers don't always work. Would YOU take that kind of life or death chance if it was YOU in this guy's direct line of fire? If you would, your life will be exciting, perhaps, but short.

Officers are well trained in the ways of protecting themselves and others from people with guns.

Besides -- and it is a BIG "besides" -- police officers are trained to ALWAYS -- let me repeat that -- ALWAYS use an equal or higher degree of force than that presented by their attacker. They do NOT use their tasers against someone with a gun; they do NOT use pepper spray against someone with a taser, etc. To do less is to invite death...YOUR death.

Finally, why do you bring up racist issues? They have nothing to do with this.

July 2, 2010 at 8:28 p.m.
Slomo said...

The fact that there were 3 officers firing at this guy and there were only 11 bullet holes at that proximity is testament to their collective training and calm under pressure. I'm on my second deployment right now, and unless you have been in a situation like that, you will never know the amount of sheer adrenaline that is pumping through your veins, many people have emptied an entire clip without knowing it until afterwards. Less than 4 rounds per person, fired at someone charging them with a weapon, most likely on drugs(which will keep them moving longer), is an excellent application of lethal force.

July 3, 2010 at 3:53 a.m.
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