published Thursday, February 24th, 2011

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The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Francis said...

yeah...i guess a billionare conservative or republican tossing around his influence is wrong, but a billionare liberal or democrat is just fine..... double standard.............you can't condem one and accept the other.....they both have stratagy and make plans.........once again, how is george soros tossing around his weight any different?

February 24, 2011 at 12:26 a.m.
Renfield said...

Nobody said it was different.

February 24, 2011 at 1:10 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Whether individuals or corporations,concentration of money used to influence political policy is corruption. The Koch brothers are simply the most visible example because of the size of their wealth and the degree to which they have been willing to buy influence and affect policy.

These wealth concentrations often do not respect national borders as they push,inadvertantly or not,toward a global convergence in worker pay. That is good for the low wage countries,but their benefit brings falling wages to the higher wage countries.

Unfortunately with a world population far exceeding the need for labor,workers are in no position to better their worsening financial condition. First world countries are in decline and borrowing heavily just to try to stay where they are. The capitalists go where the opportunities are. We in America are yesterdays news. The new capitalism is in the Far East and that transfer is likely to continue.

The Koch brothers personify the dark harsh side of untempered capitalism that,over time,will destroy that which it creates. While we can see what is happening,we seem powerless to coalesce and work toward a common renewal process. If anything the ideology seems to be moving toward 'every man for himself'.

If the trend continues long enough,the Union will not hold.

February 24, 2011 at 2:13 a.m.
dougmusn said...

I think the Koch brothers are most interested in money (big surprise!).

We "little people" [term used by the director of BP to describe HIS customers] are not without options which might get the attention of the Brothers Koch.

As your supermarket or home improvement store why they support products by these oligarchs. Place placards in the stores indicating who manufactures their fine products.

Boycott!

Georgia Pacific: Quilted Northern®, Angel Soft®, Brawny®, Sparkle®, Soft ‘n Gentle®, Mardi Gras®, Vanity Fair® and the Dixie® brands; numerous building materials Invista: Stainmaster carpets, Lycra fiber

February 24, 2011 at 5:52 a.m.

"George Soros is back. The Leftist billionaire wrote a column last month calling for the legalization of marijuana. In the Wall Street journal's op-ed pages, Mr. Soros supported California's Prop 19, the failed ballot initiative that would have legalized the possession of small amounts of marijuana and its domestic cultivation. Prop 19 was a major step toward Mr. Soros ultimate goal: the legalization of almost all hard drugs-including coacaine and heroin. This is a cause that Soros has pushed-and bankrolled- for decades. It would take America closer to his vision of a European style permissive social democracy.

"The fact that legalization would result in more drug induced deaths and higher addiction rates, especially among children and teenagers, means nothing to Soros. He champions the culture of death. Abortion, atheism, pornography, gay marriage, euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide- these are the issues central to Soros Progressive agenda". (the Hitlerian society he grew up in where he learned to aid and abet Nazism in order to survive, while learning to loathe himself and other Jews)

Media elites pay little attention to Soros and his nefarious activities because they share his political philosophy. Hence, they refuse to shine a spotlight on his secretive, rapacious and immoral behavior. They are complicit in covering up his shady, manipulative and destructive business dealings and his extreme neo-Marxist views. Soros is the sugar daddy of the Democratic Party and the modern Left. His net worth is more than 7 billion dollars. He is one of the richest and most influential men in the world. Almost every major liberal organization, think tank or media outlet has been the beneficiary of Soros' largesse. The nation magazine, Mother Jones, Media Matters, Moveon, NPR and the Center for American Progress- all together they have received tens of millions of dollars from the financier. They serve as front groups and propaganda vehicles to promote Soros brand of transnational socialism. (what does this say about the supposedly 'intelligent intelligentsia' here on the TFP who post, write and toon-who quote all of the above Propaganda and more while ranting about the evils of the single conservative outlet-Fox News? And none of them with any real world experience with life suffered under this sick ideology?)

February 24, 2011 at 6:09 a.m.

(cont'd)

Soros has poured hundreds of millions into the former communist bloc. The former Soviet Empire has thus become the Soros empire. Soros has worked behind the scenes to destabilize and influence governments such as Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia, Georgia, Kosovo and Ukraine. In the process he has plundered countries' natural resources.

(for sources please go to the hundreds of thousands and millions of elderly immigrants from all of the above countries who still vividly remember the horrors and human destruction wreaked upon them and their societies. By individuals and political figures like Soros, Stalin, Putin, Hitler, Amin, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro, etc. Ideologies espoused by those here on these forums and in the West, pushing the same or similar ideologies for America and Americans to live under- as being "beneficial" and benign human societies to live in -happily ever after).

Soros is a Liberal Imperialist who seeks to erect one world government. He is a rabid anti-capitalist (hypocrite). He favors high taxes (while his wealth is offshore of course), lavish public spending (into bankruptcy), welfare statism, massive re-distribution of wealth to the poor (read-gov't induced poverty of millions who have and will have no meaningful work-see Europe and Russia now), and a tightly controlled international regulatory financial system (shades of thousands of years ancient prophecy...interesting). He despises nationalism and the West's Judeo-Christian heritage. His aim is to usher in a new global order- one based on scientific materialism and Progressive social engineering. he champions amnesty for illegal immigrants and erasing our borders with Mexico and Canada. In his view, religion, nation-states and the family are repressive, antiquated institutions that must be abolished. He is the enemy of democracy in America.

February 24, 2011 at 6:13 a.m.

(ditto) During the presidency of George W. Bush, Soros called for "regime change". He spent nearly 25 million dollars hoping to defeat Mr. Bush in 2004. He failed-barely. The billionaire is fostering greater financial chaos to devalue our currency, Soros is betting against the US dollar, attempting to undermine its value on the global markets. Destroy the dollar and America's economic might goes with it. Soros wants to repeat his legendary 1992 assault on Britain's pound sterling, in which he nearly bankrupted London's central bank and caused an economic crisis-forcing English taxpayers to pick up the costly tab. Soros made out like a bandit, pocketing about 1 billion dollars from his currency-manipulation scheme.

He is a shrewd student of history. Like Leon Trotsky, one of the founders of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, Soros believes in fomenting permanent crisis in the service of permanent revolution. A protracted economic crisis (like the one we have now) will decimate the middle class- and bring with it the acceptance of unprecedented government intervention (like we have now). This is what he hoped would happen over the past several years. Soros is a hypocrite. He claims to want higher taxes on the wealthy and stricter corporate regulations. But his investment fund is registered in the Netherlands Antilles, enabling him to dodge income and dividend taxes to Uncle Sam. His investments and money are sheltered in offshore accounts-away from the clutches of the IRS or the watchful eye of the Security and Exchange Commission. In 2002 he was convicted in France of insider trading. He has financial interests tied to Latin American drug cartels. For example, he reportedly has a major stake in Banco de Colombia, a bank known to be laundering money for drug kingpins. In short he thinks the rules do not apply to him...WT 11-8

February 24, 2011 at 6:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

I wonder what the examples of the wealthy or corporate influence detrimental to the freedom of Americans are? Who was influenced and how? Voters can remove from office those known to accept favors and behave as required by those favoring them.

Are these influences any more inappropriate than union contributions, pressure and promise of endorsements in an attempt to influence or gain favor?

Which element of influence is most effective? Or, is there a reasonable and healthy balance? Our system of checks and balances may be working better than we think with extremes reacted to and addressed. Those disagreeing with the power in place will conclude that voters are ignorant and gullible while others think the voter has awakened to reality.

Does every entity other than the hard working too busy to pay attention tax payers, seniors and kids have paid lobbyist and special interest acting on their behalf? Those self appointed opportunistic groups such as AARP have limited impact while selling a lot of insurance, memberships and advertisement.

February 24, 2011 at 6:17 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Draw George Soros with Donkeys?

nucanuck, after Julian Simon won one bet that prices would go down, nobody else would bet with him. Jerry Pournelle made a similar case that there's potentially plenty in his book A STEP FARTHER OUT during the Carter stagflation.

Cal Beisner reads Genesis 1, man created in the image of God, and asks, what is the image of God? Well, God in Genesis 1 has been creative (and reLAtive, trinitarian), so people are creative too, if the D.C. babysitters will let us be instead of making us fill out forms. The more people, the more creativity and productivity.

If the Kochs are self-interested, what about the Democrats and their donors? Has Al Gore gotten rich selling greenery? Has our President acquired money and power, and promptly run up about a third of the national debt in 2+ years while joblessness has also gone up? If their's something to be said against the motives and ideas of conservatives (and we do make our share of mistakes), is there not the same to be said about the motives and ideas of liberals?

February 24, 2011 at 6:23 a.m.

more from the battlefield:

Soros is ultimately an amoral (I say flat-out immoral) megalomaniac who is detached from reality. He refers to himself as "the pope's boss" (now isn't that so, so interesting-wouldn't be the first nefarious one in roman catholicism's history). He has admitted to having messianic impulses. "I fancied myself as some kind of god", he once said. He went on to emphasize that "truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble." Yet Soros claims he has learned to deal with them-by embracing his world historical destiny. "It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out."

The fact that Soros is the power behind the Obama regime reveals its moral and intellectual bankruptcy-and the depths to which liberalism has fallen. Rather than being a hero and benefactor, he should be an embarrassment to liberals everywhere. Moreover, he poses a clear and present danger to the republic and its founding values. If Republicans gain control of Congress, they should launch an investigation into Soros' nefarious political activities and shady financial dealings. He has declared war on conservatives, it is time we declare war on him. (WT 2010)

(my notations in parentheses throughout)

February 24, 2011 at 7:04 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, well! Look who's come back to the playground! Where ya been, canary?

February 24, 2011 at 7:19 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Love all the little pawns for the big bad Koch brothers.

There is a big difference between doing something to preserve the planet, Andrew, and those hell bent on destroying it for their own greed. I don't think you are a billionaire, Andrew, so I must ask: is it worth it sacrificing everything on your side for the big men in Kansas? You like having low wages, dirty air and water, and price gouging so the big men can own it all? Do you like seeing the middle class turn impoverished? Is it worth it?

As for debt, this has nothing to do with it. Walker's prank call proved that. This is about crushing the poor and middle class. Remember who gave us TARP, privatized our military with corrupt cronies and two unpaid for wars, it wasn't Obama and the Dems. It was you and your ilk: Bush and the GOP.

February 24, 2011 at 7:21 a.m.

“Messianic Fantasies”

“It is sort of a disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out,” (The Independent, June 3, 1993)

“I admit that I have always harbored an exaggerated view of self-importance –to put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes or, even better, a scientist like Einstein,” (The Alchemy of Finance, George Soros)

* “If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood which I felt I had to control, otherwise I might end up in the loony bin. But when I made my way in the world I wanted to indulge myself in my fantasies to the extent that I could afford.”

George Soros 60 Minutes Interview – 12/20/98 / Transcript:

KROFT: Are you religious? Mr. SOROS: No. KROFT: Do you believe in God? Mr. SOROS: No. KROFT: (Voiceover) Soros told us he believes God was created by man, not the other way around, which may be why he thinks he can smooth out the world’s imperfections.

  • “I am acting out a fantasy and so is Eastern Europe. A psychiatrist once told me how dangerous it is to act out fantasies and I am beginning to see what he meant,” (http://www.osi.hu/oss/postscript.html)

ANTI-SEMITISM

In a 1998 interview with Steve Kroft, Soros was asked if he felt guilty about confiscating property from Jews as a teenager. He responded, “No.”

* “I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”That experience notwithstanding, Soros has chosen to exclude Israel and Jewish causes, by and large, from his massive philanthropy-a decision that has caused comment among one of his colleagues in the financial community, particularly those who are strong supporters of Israel.
February 24, 2011 at 7:26 a.m.

cont'd:

At the London School of Economics, Soros discovered the work of philosopher Karl Popper, whose ideas on open society had a profound influence on his thinking. Later, working as a trader and analyst, he adapted Popper to develop his own “theory of reflexivity,” a set of ideas that seeks to explain the relationship between thought and reality, which he used to predict, among other things, the emergence of financial bubbles. Soros began to apply his theory to investing and concluded that he had more talent for trading than for philosophy. In 1967 he helped establish an offshore investment fund; and in 1973 he set up a private investment firm that eventually evolved into the Quantum Fund, one of the first hedge funds. http://www.soros.org/about/bios/staff/george-soros

QUOTES FROM “The Open Society and Its Enemies: Hegel and Marx,” by Karl Popper (Vol. 2), by Karl Popper (or in today's doublespeak: How to Rework and Convolute various Marxist Terms and Labels into a Progressive's Dream of Utopia, thereby Duping the Dupes)

* The development of capitalism has led to the elimination of all classes but two, a small bourgeiose and a huge proletariat: and the increase of misery has forced the latter to revolt against its exploiters.  The conclusions are, first, that the workers must win the struggle, secondly that, by eliminating bourgeiose, they must establish a classless society, since only one class remains. (pg 151-152)
  • Admittedly, increasing misery must produce resistance, and it is even likely to produce rebellious outbreaks. But the assumption of our argument is that the misery cannot be alleviated until victory has been won in the social revolution. (pg 163)

    • I am not in all cases and under all circumstance against a violent revolution. (pg 166)

    • …the working of democracy rests largely upon the understanding that a government which attempts to misuse its powers and to establish itself as a tyranny (or which tolerates the establishment of a tyranny by anybody else) outlaws itself, and that the citizens have not only a right, but also a duty to consider the action of such government a crime, and its members as a dangerous gang of criminals. (pg 167)

February 24, 2011 at 7:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Oh...look what the cat dragged in. canaryinthecoalmine, who decided to once again steal someone else's work and posted it as if it were 'its' own.

The original source of this article is posted below. In this case, the stolen material was written on October 28, 2010.

http://www.jeffkuhner.com/?page=articles&item=jk-6686-phpiuNiJI-

Now that we know who wrote the article, it is noteworthy to mention that the author, Jeff Kuhner, is a right-wing talk show host in Washington D.C.

Kuhner's article is devoid of factual information and is nothing more than pure and unadulterated speculation and it is full of unsubstantiated and repeatedly refuted opinions.

As President of the Edmund Burke Institute, one of the missions of that organization, is to integrate minorities into the conservative movement, with lies and deceptive motives a part of the process.

From Jeff Kuhner's bio page, the following can be read;

"Jeff is one of the most vocal and principled critics of the Obama regime. Jeff defends free-market capitalism, traditional family values and winning the war against radical Islam."

Oh great...another one cracked an egg shell and was born.

So, like others who worship ultra-conservative writers and talk show hosts, it is little wonder why CITCM would gravitate toward the man, sacrifice all 'its' credibility to post in here, and then steal what was written as if 'it' wrote 'it itself.'

You'd think some people would learn how to post when cutting and pasting other people's written work.

February 24, 2011 at 7:43 a.m.
ITguy said...

Andrew,

If the Koch brothers asked Jesus what they should do to gain the Kingdom of Heaven, what do you think Jesus would say?

February 24, 2011 at 8 a.m.
delmar said...

To canaryinthecoalmine - okay, let's just say that what you wrote is true, does that make the Koch's okay? Why hasn't Glenn Beck said anything about them?

February 24, 2011 at 8:01 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Canary in the Coalmine, where've you been? Just got out of jail? Haven't heard from you since Sen. Chambliss's office staffer was exposed for threatening liberal bloggers. What's that been six months or so?

What you been up to of late?

February 24, 2011 at 8:09 a.m.
Francis said...

well, renfield..would you ever see a cartoon by bennett focusing on those who influence the democrat party..... no..you won't.

the koch brothers, like soros..means nothing to 99% of the people in this country.........you lefties can label it a conspiracy..but it's the way politics has always been played......big deal...how easy would it be to name all kinds of big money, probably from questionable sources, that has in- fluenced the democrat party....

dem poll numbers continue to drop because of the selfishness of the state workers and the dems running and hiding from responsibility. what koch industries does or doesn't do won't affect it at all......

scott walker's numbers are high..while obama's are dropping. most people work in the private sector, not for governments...so they feel it's only fair that if they have to make do with less in order to stay employed, so should government workers......

the scary thing about soros is that he's a foreigner and has open contempt for this country. he's a capitalist who pushes socialists into power....

alprova, you gravitate toward ultra-left wing writers and commentators....but, that's ok, right

more and more minorities, alprova...are pulling away from the democrat party because they've used them, taken them for granted and taken advantage of them...that doesn't mean that they'll become repbulicans, because they haven't come through either. you're going to see a lot more tim scott and allen west type of candidates. more conservative and less trusting of governement....sick of being used by the democrat party.

February 24, 2011 at 8:23 a.m.
BobMKE said...

George Soros and the Koch brothers are absolute paupers compared the public employee unions who were the top dogs giving money out during the last election. They gave 400 million dollars and 98% of their money went to the Democrats.

February 24, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Has our President acquired money and power, and promptly run up about a third of the national debt in 2+ years while joblessness has also gone up?


No he has not. You love bearing false witness, don't you Andrew. How can you begin to claim that he has acquired MONEY and POWER? He draws a check as President...period.

Power? What power? He has had no more powers than any other President throughout history. Where do you people get this stuff? You make it up.

Spending attributable to President Obama has not hit the $1 trillion mark yet, subject to the final spending when the 2011 Budget bill is signed. Most of what has been spent was in motion when Bush closed the back door to the White House for the last time. Look it up.

So far, since taking office, the Obama administration has pushed for six major, immediate spending increases that aren't offset elsewhere in the budget:

The American Reinvestment and Recovery Act -- $340 billion;

The GM/Chrysler bailout and other portions of the Trouble Asset Relief Program, which have largely been paid back -- $25 billion;

Unemployment-insurance extensions -- $67 billion;

COBRA extensions -- $9 billion;

Cash for Clunkers -- $3 billion;

Loans to automakers for energy-efficiency improvements -- $8 billion

That's $452 billion.

Factor in $296 billion in stimulus funds that have yet to be spent and $136 billion in refundable tax credits that passed in December as part of Congress's bipartisan tax compromise, and you wind up with $884 billion in spending.

What about offsets and tax cuts? Okay, lets list those as well.

$238 billion in cuts for taxpayers and businesses, came as part of the stimulus package;

$721 billion more in December 2010, again as part of Congress' bipartisan tax compromise;

$54 billion in forthcoming stimulus-related tax cuts, and you've got a grand total of $905 billion in tax cuts.

I'm not even going to include the CBO estimate that that the new health care law will reduce the deficit by $118 billion over ten years.

Republicans are lying through their teeth when they describe the president's spending as being "out-of-control," "unprecedented" "a spree" and that it "threatens" "our children's future."

Accusing Obama of wasting money is an easy way to score political points with voters who fall into the spiderweb spun by Republicans, who want you to believe that all is doom and gloom.

It's not. Oh...and Republicans love appealing to the racists, who just love to find a useful reason to bemoan the fact that a man of color happens to be the President.

On the rare occasion that Republicans do attempt to refer to real figures, they deceptively only refer to the growing short-term deficit, a problem that has a lot more to do with a current lack of tax revenue and a need to assist those in need, than anything Obama has done, or not done.

February 24, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.

Class warfare cartoon. Hmm. Forecast: mostly cloudy discussion, with heavy exclamation points likely.

Blackwater's francis is state of the art. I am hoping for 50% feistier before noon, though. I expect to see you guys in rare form today. Class warfare + Francis + the Scott Walker punk. This will be fun.

February 24, 2011 at 8:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Francis wrote: "alprova, you gravitate toward ultra-left wing writers and commentators....but, that's ok, right"


Cite the "left-wing writers" that I have quoted. I write my own material. I tend to stick to the facts on most issues.

I tend to stay away from opinions, and certainly not those written by others, unless I am refuting those opinions with facts.

February 24, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova,

Defends capitalism, stands for family values and winning the war against terrorism. Alprova do you find these objectionable principles? Your reference to the person posting these on their web site as their beliefs as another that cracked an egg shell and was born causes wonderment about your principles?

Are the quotes attributed to Soros not accurate? I don't know what his politics are but I do know what his investments are, I know where Buffet puts his money and when I hear the Kooks are buying a company I know there is money to be made on that stock.

I haven't seen anything here or any place where any of these big money boys have been able to have any significant impact that compares to the unions ability to influence legislators. If voters object to a legislature yielding to influence they can vote them out. Seems to work pretty good unless you think voters are ignorant and gullible if they vote different than you think they should.

I think the republicans have been had by the democrats. If they were long term smart they would pass the budget and any legislation proposed. Instead they are objecting. It really doesn't matter which party prevails exponential math shows we are past the tipping point and our economy will at some point implode, the party in power will be credited and the other or maybe even a 3rd party will be favored for decades.

February 24, 2011 at 9:16 a.m.
delmar said...

sandyonsignal - "There is a big difference between doing something to preserve the planet, Andrew, and those hell bent on destroying it for their own greed. I don't think you are a billionaire, Andrew, so I must ask: is it worth it sacrificing everything on your side for the big men in Kansas? You like having low wages, dirty air and water, and price gouging so the big men can own it all? Do you like seeing the middle class turn impoverished? Is it worth it?"

Very well put. This has bothering me for a while as well. Some of these folks act like they will be rubbing shoulders with the 2%ers when the feces hits the fan.

Here are some fun graphs to peruse. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

February 24, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

I think the cartoon is accurate. The Koch Brothers have a vested interest in deregulating the EPA and neutering environmental standards. It's more money in their pockets.

Democrats traditionally support environmental issues, although Richard Nixon signed the National Environmental Policy Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act

But Walker has insisted all along that the Bill is about emergency measures to address the "Wisconsin Budget Crisis," and Unions agreed to the Governor's fiscal demands. That's not the issue.

Walker revealed in a taped phone call, perpetrated by someone from a liberal website posing as David Koch, that he was only interested in busting the Unions. The budget wasn't discussed. If money were the issue Walker would have said at some point something like, 'If I can't end collective bargaining the State of Wisconsin will have to declare bankruptcy,' or any other fiscal complaint.

Republicans want to destroy Unions because they traditionally support Democratic candidates. Period. That can be accomplish by abolishing collective bargaining, because without that right there is no reason for any worker to remain in a Union.

If that happens, Unions will no longer be able to support candidates which, incidentally, are not always Democrats. Three of the Wisconsin public employee Unions actually supported Walker in the 2010 election.

But without those campaign funds directed to the Democrats, Republicans will be able to outspend them by an even larger margin in every election from now on.

The Citizens United decision opened the flood gates for Republican fund raising. The GOP smells blood in the water and sees this as their opportunity to deal a Democrats a major setback.

And if you loved George Bush you're gonna love what Republicans are planning for your future.

February 24, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.

Thanks for the Mother Jones link, delmar.

Apparently, seven of the ten richest members of congress are ... not Republicans. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/...

“Wealthy House Democrats Spar Over Health Care Tax Hike” by Aaron Kiersh (The Center for Responsive Politics, July 21, 2009) http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/07/wealthy-house-democrats-spar-o.html

“Based on financial disclosure statements compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, [Rep. Jared Polis D-Colo.], the second-wealthiest freshman in Congress based on 2007 data, was worth anywhere between $97.4 million and $254.4 million that year (the most recent year for which CRP has calculated this data). Only two congressmen, Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), and three senators -- John Kerry (D-Mass.), Mark Warner (D-Va.) and Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) -- were worth more.

“Only 13 lawmakers were worth more than the [House Speaker Nancy Pelosi] in 2007. Her assets, which include shares in Microsoft, Starbucks and Johnson & Johnson, may be valued as high as $144 million.”

February 24, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WWWTW, points out that, "Apparently, seven of the ten richest members of congress are ... not Republicans."

Okay. What's your point? Are you drawing a relationship between personal wealth and public policy?

Funny, the rich Democrats you mentioned all supported allowing the tax cuts for the rich to expire.

February 24, 2011 at 10:11 a.m.
Francis said...

in politico today...which is hardly a conservative site...it points out how the obama administration is meeting with lobbyists off site and out of the secret service logs......ooooooooooo..sinister.....

why that's something only bush/cheney would do, huh?

double standard.

February 24, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.
canarysong said...

OMG!!!

I thought that "canaryinacoalmine" was a joke and didn't really exist. It turns out that I was only half right. I REALLY, REALLY wish that I had chosen a different username.

Excuse me while I go have a nice calming cup of chamomile tea, or a Valium (if I had such a thing), or maybe just concentrate on my work.

Later, all....

The Artist Formerly Known As Canarysong

February 24, 2011 at 10:44 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Francis said: "billionare conservative or republican tossing around his influence is wrong, but a billionare liberal or democrat is just fine..... double standard. . . how is george soros tossing around his weight any different?"

Billionaires do vary, Francis. I always look at their their views on things like payment of their taxes, their public interest causes and their attitudes toward their fellow citizens. I've noted that a lot of corporatist Koch zealots like to talk about Soros, but there are obvious differences:

“Many of them tried to change the subject to George Soros, the billionaire backer of liberal causes. But Soros is a publicity hound who is transparent about where he shovels his money. And like many liberals — selflessly or foolishly, depending on your point of view — he supports causes that are unrelated to his business interests and that, if anything, raise his taxes.

This is hardly true of the Kochs. When David Koch ran to the right of Reagan as vice president on the 1980 Libertarian ticket (it polled 1 percent), his campaign called for the abolition not just of Social Security, federal regulatory agencies and welfare but also of the F.B.I., the C.I.A., and public schools — in other words, any government enterprise that would either inhibit his business profits or increase his taxes.

He hasn’t changed. . . Koch-supported lobbyists, foundations and political operatives are at the center of climate-science denial — a cause that forestalls threats to Koch Industries’ vast fossil fuel business. While Koch foundations donate to cancer hospitals like Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York, Koch Industries has been lobbying to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from classifying another product important to its bottom line, formaldehyde, as a “known carcinogen” in humans (which it is).”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

February 24, 2011 at 10:49 a.m.

blackwater48 wrote:

"Okay. What's your point? Are you drawing a relationship between personal wealth and public policy? "Funny, the rich Democrats you mentioned all supported allowing the tax cuts for the rich to expire."


I guess it's the fact that the populist, "party of the working man," class warfare rhetoric is phony. And also that when they appear to be sticking it to the man, they are excluding themselves and their corporate and union campaign funders.

“Why Is It Okay for Rich Democrats to Use Tax Havens, but It’s Not Okay for the Little People?” by Dan Mitchell (International Liberty, October 19, 2010) http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/why-is-it-okay-for-rich-democrats-to-use-tax-havens-but-its-not-okay-for-the-little-people/

“Like a Virgin Island Resident: Lefty financier and congresswoman’s fiancée dodged U.S. taxes” By ALANA GOODMAN (Weekly Standard blog, Oct 15, 2010) http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/virgin-island-resident_508771.html


And that crooked donors influencing candidates and legislation is not a partisan issue.


“Several Big Donors To Hillary Clinton Now Facing Criminal Allegations” by Dan Eggen (THE WASHINGTON POST, February 20, 2011) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/19/AR2011021903275.html

“The indictment of a top Northern Virginia fundrais­er last week is the latest in a series of criminal cases that have en­snared campaign donors to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who relied heavily on wealthy bundlers in her failed 2008 bid for the pres­idency.

“Fed­eral grand jury indictments handed up in Alexandria allege that Galen Capital Group Chairman William P. Danielczyk Jr. and his treasurer illegally reimbursed nearly $190,000 in donations to Clinton's 2006 and 2008 campaigns, sometimes with corporate funds.”


When votes are cast, corporate (and private) funders benefit. Period. So do union bosses.

“When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.”

February 24, 2011 at 10:53 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Francis is right. The White House meets with lobbyists. Some at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, some off-site. Here are quotes from the article:

"Randy Johnson, a U.S. Chamber of Commerce executive who has been to White House and Jackson Place meetings, said the gatherings aren’t closely guarded secrets and insiders generally know who administration staffers are talking to. But, he said, there’s no way to know for certain without a record of all the meetings at Jackson Place."

Later in the article:

"Some lobbyists gripe about the hypocrisy of publicly bashing lobbyists while privately holding off-the-books meetings with them, but Tara Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA, an organization representing small businesses, supports the outreach, no matter the form.

“The most important thing, for all the prohibitions, is that they’re realizing that you can’t govern in America without a.), getting the input of experts and b.), getting in touch with the business community. No matter how they do that, whether it’s on the up-and-up or off-the-charts, so to speak, the important thing is that they know that they have to do it,” she said."

It sure looks like a double a standard, but I think it's important to draw the difference between gathering information on public policy matters and allowing OIl Companies to write the Energy Bill.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/50081.html#ixzz1EtLZwKZS

February 24, 2011 at 10:54 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater said: “But Walker has insisted all along that the Bill is about emergency measures to address the "Wisconsin Budget Crisis."

In addition to Koch and Walker’s sinister scheme to destroy Winconsin’s public employee union, this so called emergency plan conveniently gives him the power to mess around with something else:

“The bill includes a provision that would allow the state to sell or contract out the operation of heating, cooling, and power plants without a bidding process and without consulting the state’s independent utility regulator.

Democratic legislators worried aloud that the process would attract abuse, and Jon Peacock, director of the Wisconsin Budget Project, called the no-bid approach a “red flag.”

http://nationaljournal.com/is-scott-walker-s-budget-plan-a-bait-and-switch--20110223

February 24, 2011 at 11:16 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48,

Just an additional note in regard to the post about Walker’s so called “emergency budget plans” for Wisconsin’s power plants. Several blogs have posted the actual clause, but it was originally noted by a Wisconsin blogger named “Ed” at “Gin and Tacos.” [Grin] Why is it that the mainstream media always seems to be the last people to notice these things?

Anyway, the “no bid” clause that gives Governor Walker the power to sell the State of Wisconsin's power plants to his favorite corporate political allies:

16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state-owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/02/21/in-budget-bill-wisconsin-gov-walker-pushing-for-no-bid-sales-of-state-owned-power-plants/

February 24, 2011 at 12:45 p.m.

blackwater48:

"Funny, the rich Democrats you mentioned all supported allowing the tax cuts for the rich to expire.


Mother Jones begs to differ:

"10 richest members of Congress. 100% voted to extend Bush tax cuts."

February 24, 2011 at 12:46 p.m.

The above is what al-provehimaliar and his company of slatherers/wealthy elitists do for a living. Aid and abet the wealthier ones, lie in bed with the Gov't-taking nice, no-bounce checks from them for their 'work'-and preach to the rest of us on how to live and die in their la-la land of compassion for the poor, while they brag about their prowess in making riches off of the rich-see his own words in recent and past posts. Think former brags about his wealthy wife's connected family-think large, wealthy Tennessee/Georgia family and accounting empire. Think, who protects and cares about their own gilded tushies? They care for the filthy peasants on the mean streets of life? Think not...Think massive Hypocrisy and selfishness, whilst blaming the elephants and conservatives all day long. Think reams of un-alproven nonevidence, followed by self-proclaimed communist fueled rants.

PS: for further research, there are umpteen victims and immigrant Biographies, auto-bios, documented accounts from the scene of the crimes-to google, bing or bong yourself over the heads with. In addition, visit the millions of nursing homes, vet hospitals-or one or two, including the homes of your own elderly ones who have probably been neglected- and hear their accounts of life and history.

Many here in North America have raised their young to despise the wisdom and experience of our elders and the recorded history of original documents. The internet and abovementioned propaganda outlets seem to reign supreme nowadays, many of them washed of important truths.

Speaking of washed-most, or all of the above accounts of Soros's views comes from his own mouth-like the 60 Minutes interviews from 1998-deleted from their website; various interviews he has given over the years and from his own friends and family's accounts, biographies: 'Masquerade: Soros: Dancing around Death in Nazi Occupied Hungary', ' Soros on Soros-Staying ahead of the Curve', and many more. There are numerous video/audio accounts of him spouting his sickness, much of it captured and displayed on conservative sites-watch before it's forcefully taken off the 'net'-he has THAT much influence on our own government. The Koch Bros empire looks like Rebecca's Sunnybrook Farm in comparison.

Enjoy Boors, Fence-sitters and paid Prog-Bots. Wallow in innit, looks good on ya...

February 24, 2011 at 12:58 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BobMKE said: “Soros and the Koch brothers are absolute paupers compared the public employee unions who were the top dogs giving money out.”

But neither public employees nor their unions peddle deadly products or benefit financially from the marketing of any kind of poisonous products that contribute to the deaths of innocent men, women, and children throughout America, do they, BobMKE?

Politics aside, it seems to me any human being with a conscience would be concerned about this rather obvious difference. Koch makes profits from peddling poisonous products to the public:

“Scientists have long known that formaldehyde causes cancer in rats, and several major scientific studies have concluded that formaldehyde causes cancer in human beings—including one published last year by the National Cancer Institute, on whose advisory board Koch sits.

The study tracked twenty-five thousand patients for an average of forty years; subjects exposed to higher amounts of formaldehyde had significantly higher rates of leukemia. These results helped lead an expert panel within the National Institutes of Health to conclude that formaldehyde should be categorized as a known carcinogen, and be strictly controlled by the government.

Corporations have resisted regulations on formaldehyde for decades, however, and Koch Industries has been a large funder of members of Congress who have stymied the E.P.A., requiring it to defer new regulations until more studies are completed."

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

February 24, 2011 at 1:16 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WWWTW noted, ""10 richest members of Congress. 100% voted to extend Bush tax cuts."

That is correct, but I didn't say they voted against the extensions. I said they supported them. Obama cut a compromise bill with Congressional Republicans, noting that the impasse amounted to a hostage situation.

Many liberals were outraged but, you're right, Democrats held their noses and voted to extend the cuts two more years.

You seem driven to provide just one side of an argument. If you had taken 'Debate' in school you'd learn to think more critically. For instance, a topic might be, 'Should Workers Be Allowed to Bargain Collectively, Yes or No.'

You would have to learn all of the arguments surrounding that issue because you never know ahead of time which position you will be called on to defend. If you drew 'Yes,' you would have to point out the positive influence Unions have had on the middle class standard of living. If you drew ''No,' you would have to point out how Unions have, at times, made indefensibly outrageous demands on management.

I agree with you sometimes. It may seem that I express shifting positions but I honestly try to study issues and reach my own conclusions.

February 24, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

welcome back Canary.

February 24, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
hambone said...

After reading the latest return of Ol' Big Bird, Francis has started to seem normal to me.

I think I'll go get a sixpack and think about it!

February 24, 2011 at 1:30 p.m.
canarysong said...

---inthecoalmine;

I really think you should stick to cutting & pasting (and barely acknowledging) other people's work. For whatever else may be said about Jeff Kuhner, at least he can write a coherent paragraph.

Also, you might want to start taking whatever medication your doctors gave you when you were released. Apparently you don't quite have a full grasp of reality yet.

(omg, a battle between canaries; this really is too absurd! I see yellow feathers flying.)

February 24, 2011 at 1:37 p.m.
Clara said...

Well, that's two of my posts that were passed as acceptable but have disappeared.

Guess I'll go back to bed!

February 24, 2011 at 1:40 p.m.
canarysong said...

Hambone;

Would you share one or two of those?

February 24, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.

blackwater48 wrote:

“You seem driven to provide just one side of an argument. If you had taken 'Debate' in school you'd learn to think more critically …

“You would have to learn all of the arguments surrounding that issue because you never know ahead of time which position you will be called on to defend …

“I agree with you sometimes. It may seem that I express shifting positions but I honestly try to study issues and reach my own conclusions.”


I agree. Your are one of the more fair and open-minded liberals who post. Like you, I also look at both sides, and, like you, I also look for third and fourth alternatives to the two that are being presented. Many of my posts, including some today, highlight the corruption throughout our political system. I try to see how it fits into longer term patterns in history and into political and economic philosophies which are have long been debated.

I think if you compare my posts with mountainlaurel’s, for example, you’ll find that mine are far less partisan. Since our resident cartoonist is often only presenting one, partisan side of an issue (e.g. today’s cartoon), I like to challenge with counterpoints to what seem to be his points.

He is liberal (at least as we now use the term), so my challenges will usually reflect either conservative positions or, as I say, ideas that neither side seems to be considering. I usually cite sources that are reasonably non-partisan, or, like today, very liberal sources. I goofed and used politico one day (I was not real familiar with it) and mountianlaurel was all over it.

For me, the class war theme is especially disturbing. I think it is responsible for much of the acrimony and demagoguery in our political discussions. I also think it reflects an unnecessary misunderstanding of economics and the nature of wealth, and it keeps us from reaching our potential, individually and as a society.

I also like to challenge popular preconceptions and conventional wisdom, i.e. that it is primarily Republicans or conservatives or capitalists that are in the pockets of large corporations. I contend that large corporations benefit most from large government and that small businesses favor limited government. I also think that small businesses are by-and-large more ethical in their treatment of employees and consumers. Of course, there are myriad exceptions on both counts, but the rule usually applies.

I enjoy the threads about culture, religion, and societal trends more than those that focus on elections or the scandal of the day. But sometimes I slouch.

February 24, 2011 at 2:16 p.m.

blackwater48 wrote:

“That is correct, but I didn't say they voted against the extensions. I said they supported them. Obama cut a compromise bill with Congressional Republicans, noting that the impasse amounted to a hostage situation. Many liberals were outraged but, you're right, Democrats held their noses and voted to extend the cuts two more years.”


I think this is a perfect example of what I’ve tried to show before, that it is too simple to assign responsibility for big policy mistakes or successes (domestic or foreign) to the sitting president. It’s very easy to do, but when you have divided government, as we do now, it takes two to tango. And of course, you have to look at problems that develop over the course of several administrations and congresses, i.e. the federal budget and entitlements. I like to look at important, boring nuances like that.

February 24, 2011 at 2:24 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Dems or Repubs, no one should be for public employee unions. These people work for us providing essential services. There is no profit, only cost to the taxpayer. SSSOOOOOOO, why should we encourage people employed by us to strike, protest or demand anything. This is the job. It pays X amount of dollars a year. These are the benefits offered. If you don't like the terms go find another job. Thats how the rest of the world does it!!! Private unions, have at it. You make a profit, you do as you see fit. If your employer finds this acceptable so be it!! Hey canarysong, Jack Kevorkian is another option. Just trying to help. PS, canary's don't have a song. They just make a very annoying cheep sound!!!

A big welcome back to the coal mining canary. Accept no imitations!!!

February 24, 2011 at 2:28 p.m.
alprova said...

CITCM wrote: "The above is what al-provehimaliar and his company of slatherers/wealthy elitists do for a living."


I don't think so. I audit retirement plans and am in marketing research, for a living.


"Aid and abet the wealthier ones, lie in bed with the Gov't-taking nice, no-bounce checks from them for their 'work'..."


Wrong again Bozo. Why I don't believe that the Government has written me a check in at least for six years, and that was for a tax refund.


"-and preach to the rest of us on how to live and die in their la-la land of compassion for the poor, while they brag about their prowess in making riches off of the rich"


Hmmmmm, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a 100% chance that someone who writes a check to someone else for their work or services, that someone #1 will likely be better off than someone #2?

If that confuses you, I'll be happy to draw a picture in crayon for you.


"-see his own words in recent and past posts. Think former brags about his wealthy wife's connected family-think large, wealthy Tennessee/Georgia family and accounting empire."


Now you're just reverting to your usual modus operandi, which is to make up your facts as you go along.

Never have I stated that my wife or her family is or was well-off, that I can recall. Both of my wife's parents (both now deceased) retired from Little Debbie.


"Think, who protects and cares about their own gilded tushies?"


You have no idea what you are typing, and that is nothing new.


"They care for the filthy peasants on the mean streets of life? Think not...Think massive Hypocrisy and selfishness, whilst blaming the elephants and conservatives all day long. Think reams of un-alproven nonevidence, followed by self-proclaimed communist fueled rants."


I resent that implication. An elephant is a friendly creature that is now a misplaced icon used on behalf of the modern-day Republican/Conservative.

Call me a Commie all day long. I'm hardly insulted you McCarthy reincarnate. Come to think of it, you were around in his day, weren't you? I'm biting my lip to keep from typing something that would be considered beyond rude.

I'll tell you what, you hate-filled cream puff of a human being -- when it comes right down to it, you know nothing about me, what I do, what I have done for others, and you never will in a hundred years. That's between God and I, because in so many cases, he made it happen.

As to the rest, you speak well for yourself, your level of Christianity, what you're made of, and that is something I prefer to flush down the toilet.

Carry on though.

February 24, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
canarysong said...

In case this story escaped anyone's attention;

I didn't have time yesterday to read every post in detail, so forgive me if I am repeating.....

A deputy attorney general in Indiana, Jeff Cox, recommended on Twitter the "use of live ammunition" against the protesters in Wisconsin. In a later exchange with a writer for Mother Jones, he stated, "You're damned right I advocate the use of deadly force". He was removed from his position on Wednesday by the Indiana Attorney General's office who released a statement saying that "Civility and courtesy toward all members of the public are very important to [their office]".

Thanks to the Indiana Attorney General's office for acting quickly and responsibly.

If the fact that a person holding a high position in a state judiciary system would make such a horrific statement to begin with does not send chills down your spine, it should. Such rhetoric recalls the events of the late 1800s and early 1900s in which politicians and robber barons would call in private 'security forces' to break union strikes with intimidation and violence. Striking workers often were brutally beaten and many were murdered.

When thinking about the current disputes in Wisconsin, it is important to remember the big picture. If we lose the right to peaceful assembly and dissent, then democracy will have drawn its last breath.

February 24, 2011 at 3:08 p.m.
canarysong said...

whatsthefuss;

"imitation"?

If I was ever struck with a sudden desire to imitate someone or something it certainly would not be 'Ol' Big Bird' (thanks, hambone). To find something better, I would need to look no further than the bottom of my shoe.

February 24, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 inquired: "Defends capitalism, stands for family values and winning the war against terrorism. Alprova do you find these objectionable principles?"


You misquoted.

To defend Capitalism as it has come to be defined in this nation, is to support unadulterated greed.

Standing for TRADITIONAL family values is to reject any and all other living arrangements, OTHER THAN one man/one woman married in biblical terms, coming together every Saturday night at 8 O'Clock P.M., for some missionary style intercourse lasting for five minutes, followed by a hop in the shower to wash off the sinful residue spawned by lust. Oh yeah...it IS permissible for the little missus to pop out a couple of rug rats if ya want.

Winning the war against terrorism? We lost that eight years ago. The minute that Iraq became a blood bath, we lost that one.

Who can truly be determined to be the terrorists? Right now, much of the world considers US as much a terrorist as we do radial Islamics. 3,000 innocent people died in this country. 100,000 innocent Iraqis are dead because we invaded their turf. We just ticked off another bunch of people all over again.

The end result is not justified by any means. Any chance whatsoever of "winning" that war against terrorism is an impossibility.


"Your reference to the person posting these on their web site as their beliefs as another that cracked an egg shell and was born causes wonderment about your principles?"


It is not my principles that are in question.

Those who find it necessary at every opportunity to proclaim themselves to be what they are, in order to justify their opinions of others, are the ones standing on top of Jello.

I hate to say it, but just about everyone who claims to be ultra-conservative, pro-life, for traditional family values, and if the top it off with whipped cream by claiming to be pro-war, then I have little doubt whatsoever that they will be engaging in pathological deception and manipulation of any and all truths or facts as they can be proven to be in reality.

Let's face it, evangelical Christians do not live in reality to begin with. Fantasy and controversial belief is their whole world. Facts are a foreign concept to most of them.

February 24, 2011 at 3:24 p.m.
alprova said...

canarysong, I too ran across that news story and was amazed, but very pleased, that someone was actually canned for making such an idiotic statement.

These days, it seems that nothing short of a public servant killing a half dozen people, gets someone removed from public service.

No matter the intention of purpose, Jeff Cox's reckless statement, considering his position in local Government, was about as bad as it gets.

February 24, 2011 at 3:32 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Another Koch brothers' project - Climate Denial Front Groups

Until relatively recently, I was puzzled by the Tea Party’s radical attitude toward the Environmental Protection Agency – it just didn’t make any sense to me. I mean how could any rational citizen be opposed to clean water, clean air, and a healthy environment?

But that was when I thought the Tea Party was actually a grassroots movement established by real people, which, now, we all know is not the case. In real life, the Tea Party is the Koch Brothers Party – a political party that has nothing to do with anybody’s grassroots except for the grassroots of a couple of dangerous corporatist billionaire brothers named Koch.

Not only does this dangerous corporatist duo hate unions, but they hate environmental regulations as well. If anyone hasn’t read the Greenpeace report describing the activities of the Koch brothers and their involvement with climate-denial front groups, you might want to do so:

“Billionaire oilman David Koch likes to joke that Koch Industries is "the biggest company you've never heard of." But the nearly $50 million that David Koch and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping global warming is no joking matter.


Charles G. Koch and David H.Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they've made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It's time more people were aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they're up to.



Greenpeace has released the report “Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine” to expose the connections between these climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts. The Koch brothers, their family members, and their employees direct a web of financing that supports conservative special interest groups and think-tanks, with a strong focus on fighting environmental regulation, opposing clean energy legislation, and easing limits on industrial pollution.

This money is typically funneled through one of three "charitable" foundations the Kochs have set up: the Claude R. Lambe Foundation; the Charles G. Koch Foundation; and the David H. Koch Foundation.”

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/

February 24, 2011 at 3:39 p.m.
Ronald_Ragin said...

Where is Hawaii and Alaska on the map? Oops. Genius.

February 24, 2011 at 3:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Canarysong wrote: (regarding CITCM) "Also, you might want to start taking whatever medication your doctors gave you when you were released. Apparently you don't quite have a full grasp of reality yet."


OUCH!!!

A little explanation is in order.

The diatribe you read up there was written by the genderless wonder known as canaryinthecoalmine (CITCM), in a full rage.

The spittle had formed at the corner of its mouth. It was holding a kleenex over the bite it made on its lower lip while reading my post. Its breath came in short, but deliberate spasms. A rage began to build to the point that the sound that came from its mouth was gutteral and feral in nature. Birds, roosting in the trees outside of its home flew away in fear.

"How dare my arch-nemesis, alprova, call me on the carpet for posting improperly? I'm canaryinthecolamine. I'll do what I want, when I want, how I want, and where I want."

It began typing..."The above is what al-provehimaliar and his company of slatherers/wealthy elitists..."

"Ugh...Ugh...Ugh..." it breathed. "Aid and abet the wealthier ones, lie in bed with the Gov't-taking nice, no-bounce checks from them for their 'work'..." it typed.

"AAAGGH!!!....AAAGGH!!!.....AAAGGH!!!!....it began conversely breathing and yelling as it finished typing out it's masterpiece.

And without so much as a proof-read, it sent its thoughts to the TFP, where it will forever be known as WTF, as written by CITCM.

February 24, 2011 at 3:49 p.m.
acerigger said...

Jeff Cox is not alone in his attitude among the right-wingers, he just had a higher profile because of his job with the A.G.'s office

February 24, 2011 at 3:53 p.m.
alprova said...

Clara wrote: "Well, that's two of my posts that were passed as acceptable but have disappeared.

Guess I'll go back to bed!"


My dear sweet lady, sometimes posts don't make it through for some reason. The TFP website has kinda been on the blink for a week or more. I'm connected to a back-up copy of the site and have been for days.

I have no doubt that they were perfect, very coherent, and were topical.

Try again to post those thoughts if you are up to it. I know I'd love to read them!!

February 24, 2011 at 3:54 p.m.
canarysong said...

Alprova;

Thanks for the laugh, but seriously, someday you are going to make me choke on my food! My family may sue.

February 24, 2011 at 4 p.m.
delmar said...

Thanks alprova, thanks alot. Because of this - "Standing for TRADITIONAL family values is to reject any and all other living arrangements, OTHER THAN one man/one woman married in biblical terms, coming together every Saturday night at 8 O'Clock P.M., for some missionary style intercourse lasting for five minutes, followed by a hop in the shower to wash off the sinful residue spawned by lust. Oh yeah...it IS permissible for the little missus to pop out a couple of rug rats if ya want." - alprova I laughed so hard I think I spit out part of my spleen. EMS should be here any minute!

February 24, 2011 at 4:01 p.m.
canarysong said...

Alprova;

I forgot to add :)

Please keep the laughs coming, after reading the news each day, we need them .

February 24, 2011 at 4:04 p.m.
mtngrl said...

The return of the spewing bird reminded me of that site another poster created just for them (he/she/it?), so I just had to go back and look it up.

http://www.canary.50webs.com/
(thanks to Junepop55)

canarysong - thanks for bringing rationality back to beautiful birds everywhere.... and restoring the canary name

February 24, 2011 at 4:18 p.m.
mtngrl said...

And thanks Alprova for the great laugh!! (3:49 post)

February 24, 2011 at 4:19 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Well we sure did wind up with the huddled masses, at least here at the TFP!!

February 24, 2011 at 4:25 p.m.
alprova said...

Ronald_Ragin wrote: "Where is Hawaii and Alaska on the map? Oops. Genius."


I'm afraid that this is a question that only Sarah Palin can answer.

I clapped my hands in glee while reading that she graduated map reading class last week. She graduated with honors by the way, at a secret ceremony held at Squaw Peak Elementary School, in Phoenix, Arizona.

Rumor has it that she accepted the invitation to attend that third grade class so that she could spend time with her daughter and grandson.

Oh, and the school bus picked her up right from the curb in front of Bristol's house too.

February 24, 2011 at 4:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Thank you all who gave me a kudos for my posts. It made me smile too. It was a nice break from all the negativity.

February 24, 2011 at 4:58 p.m.
alprova said...

mountaingirl wrote: "http://www.canary.50webs.com/ (thanks to Junepop55)"


I had no idea that site was still up and running.

"The impromptu right-soaked media bandwagon radiates hatred, and the lying neo-cons over the filthy corner spews slime; however, a bunch of nonsense from a proud History makes a truce with the Christian around a LIAR."

February 24, 2011 at 5 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

In a world where politicians sell influence to the highest bidder you can hardly fault companies for playing the game. The idea that the Democrats are any less guilty than Republicans seems pretty naive to me.

Once again bennett misses the bigger problem; this is just how business is done in Washington. He loses the real message in a partisan attack on elephants.

Is it possible that bennett intentionally shoots near-misses and leaves it up to us to find the core issue for discussion? Somehow I doubt he could ever be that clever.

February 24, 2011 at 5:49 p.m.
potcat said...

Bigridge, its a fricking cartoon that has obviously piped your interest. Clay hit the tail on the canaryinthecoalmines ass. Fact is the Elephants are REPUBS The Deniers of Global warming... enviromental issues that effect the EARTH. The people who will hopfully inhabit this Earth when we are long gone will EVOLVE in thier thinking and actions. I am sure of that!

February 24, 2011 at 6:44 p.m.
Francis said...

"climate denial".?...........yeah.....i heard it's going to snow in san francisco today or tomorrow...first time in 35 years.......first it's global warming..then it's climate change..then it's global wierding.....then terrible cold and snow is a sign of global warming.....whatever. we're living on ball floating in space,...volcanoes explode and spew unbelievable amounts of crud in the sky...we're standing on giant plates that are constantly shifting around the earth..........our lives depend on a volatile ,giant ball of gas and fire.....and you think those that don't toss a plastic bottle in a light blue colored bin are responsible or the earths tempertature rising ?(which it's not)......come on........anyone who fights to keep us f rom being taxed for that crap is ok by me....

regarding class warfare.....obama, and "community organizers" have written the book on that.....they've convinced the ignorant that there's this big giant pile of money and whoever gets it is the winner.....failing to mention that new money can always be made with hard work, ingenuity and entrepenuer- ship.

February 24, 2011 at 6:54 p.m.
Francis said...

the earth's history is pockmarked with incredible and sometimes deadly climate change and temperature changes....all occurring...long, long, long before man was around..........all gore and the other politically motiviated "climate expert"/nimrods blew it with their data fiasco/hoax....you should have got someone else to be your spokesman instead of al gore..what a flim flam artist.......

February 24, 2011 at 7:08 p.m.
canarysong said...

mtngrl, re 4:18 post;

Thank you for the sweet words; they are much appreciated!

February 24, 2011 at 7:12 p.m.
potcat said...

Repubs have got trillions OFF THIER PHONY war lies! THE War MACHINE MADE A LOT of bushies cohorts Rich. Francis hard work, ingenuity and entrepenuership was not needed to SELL that to you FOOLs. It was so easy and GOD the Price in tresure and LIVES. WHERES OSAMA? After Bush ..THE BIGGIST SPENDER IN HISTORYand you say have the audascity to say something about spending. You are a IGNORANT FOOL!

February 24, 2011 at 7:23 p.m.
potcat said...

Al Gore WON THE ELECTION! The REPUS are the thieves that stole it. That tells me every thing I need to know about the REPUBLICAN party. You have not one ounce of CREDIBILTY! Just think about the IRAQIE BABIES THAT would be alive today and our American men and women if only Al Gore..Who was the WINNER!

February 24, 2011 at 7:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Francis vs. Science: Charging at wind turbines in a Dodge Ram getting 1 mile to the gallon.

February 24, 2011 at 7:39 p.m.
delmar said...

Now now potcat, remember,, Mission Accomplished!

February 24, 2011 at 7:40 p.m.
sd said...

Where do I even start?

This is the best Thursday ever.

"...you hate-filled cream puff of a human being..."

February 24, 2011 at 8:17 p.m.

50 exclamation marks. Slightly disappointing for such a juicy topic. The all caps make up for some of it.

I'd like to see it go over 100 by midnight.

February 24, 2011 at 8:17 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Oh my gosh! canaryinthecoalmine is back!

One can only shudder to think where he has been lurking. Perhaps writing his version of Mein Kampf?

His pretensions of both moral and intellectual superiority are truly astounding considering the rambling nature of his postings.

Oh well, can't help myself...

"Canary in a Coalmine" by The Police

First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect You live you life like a canary in a coalmine You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

You say you want to spend the winter in Firenza You're so afraid to catch a dose of influenza You live your life like a canary in a coalmine You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

Canary in a coalmine

Now if I tell you that you suffer from delusions You pay your analyst to reach the same conclusions You live your life like a canary in a coalmine You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

Canary in a coalmine

First to fall over when the atmosphere is less than perfect Your sensibilities are shaken by the slightest defect You live your life like a canary in a coalmine You get so dizzy even walking in a straight line

Canary in a coalmine

February 24, 2011 at 8:27 p.m.
potcat said...

wwwtw...you are. How petty

February 24, 2011 at 8:38 p.m.

HOW PETTY???????????????????? HOW D-A-R-E YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some folks don't seem to know how to laugh at themselves.

February 24, 2011 at 8:45 p.m.
potcat said...

Laughing right now wwwtw.I think you get what i am saying. I cannot say the same about your POST!!!

February 24, 2011 at 8:56 p.m.

NOT SURPRISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hating the rich is a cop out, but it makes us feel better about ourselves, so I expected more exclamation marks.

February 24, 2011 at 9:08 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WWWTW said, "Hating the rich is a cop out, but it makes us feel better about ourselves..."

I don't believe anybody hates the rich. Everybody wants to BE rich. It's the American dream. America: land of opportunity.

Well, okay some people might still make it. Okay, a few might. Once upon a time a guy could work one job, support his family, and go to night school to get ahead. In his spare time he could learn to be a real estate agent or study for a contractor's license or even earn a college degree. But who has time for that now?

American corporations have shipped many middle class Union jobs oversees. I honestly don't know how young people starting out today will ever own a home or send their kids to college. I know a young married couple where they each have a full time job, a part time job, and they'll probably live in their apartment until they grow old and die.

But while the working class has been taking a financial beating the rich have been getting incredibly richer. Warren Buffet said, "There is class warfare going on in this Country and we're winning."

Hate the rich? Heck, who wouldn't want to be rich? Unfortunately, about the only way for an average American to 'make it big' these days is with a lottery ticket. That should be the new symbol of America: A Powerball card.

Hate the rich? Every night lots of Americans dream of being rich. We still idolize Hollywood stars that are paid $20 million to make a baaaad movie. We still cheer athletes that are paid $1 million per game to throw interceptions or strike out or miss foul shots. We love rich people and we all can't wait to join them.

But thanks to Governor Scott Walker, more and more people are beginning to REALLY HATE Republicans.

February 24, 2011 at 10:34 p.m.
khargis said...

i thought clay would appreciate the socially liberal koch brothers - i guess his drive to enslave the world has over-ridden his desire for personal freedom

February 24, 2011 at 10:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Where did this angry potcat character come from?

Hopefully he/she will burn out and go away soon.

February 25, 2011 at 9:41 a.m.
Clara said...

Al,

I appreciate your sweet words and will try to remain coherent. Unfortunately, in my present state of health, that seems to be impossible, however, I will try.

Canarysong, Roughly, I tried to locate CITCM's former posts to give an example of her personal intercourse, but find that they don't seem to be available. If you click on your name, (in red) at the bottom of your post, you will find a list of all the posts you have entered. You can also access someone elses postings.

I was unable to access CITCM's recent posts, much less her past ones. She has no past, (or future).

I have, however, saved her last post to me and the blog, to show to a relative. It follows, if I can find it. It was fairly mild...

"Clara, I hardly think you are one to talk about "narrow" thinking. You have gone (miraculously) in 6 months or so from admitting you know nothing and posting things about housework and washing dishes-to downloading and pontificating every Leftist viewpoint out there. Hardly unbiased. Maybe you're a nice lady to your fellow Progs here, but your postings and heart say otherwise. Nu's: "I read (and don't remember where) last week about current under-utilization in US refiners due to the contraction in consumption across America". See, that's your problem in a nutshell, you read the biased propaganda without doing your objective homework. You jump on the Left-Prog bandwagon and as they love to do, call some of us stupid, unknowing and delusional. When I give you facts, you resort to insults. I don't need 3 dozen links to understand what is the truth and who is being truthful. You have little to no judgement, because of willful denial of the truth. I call it sweet Justice. I thank Sailor for straightening you out, you slid out of that one pretty good and fast eh? Nothing like insulting the old canary here about lack of knowledge as you are wont to do, then finding out how much you lack yourself. Doubt it will make you or the other arrogant ones humble though. Hasn't happened yet. Every time you guys slobber insults, I wait and sure enough, sooner or later, the REAL facts and truth hit the light of day. Username: canaryinthecoalmine | On: April 2, 2010 at 8:24

What halted her was a program put together by one of our readers who had programming experience. It was called "Spewifier", which consisted of 50 pages of many of her rants and specifics which were directed back to her, in her own words. Canary disappeared from this blog.

This present canary, if it is the original, seems a bit more lucid, but still cutting and pasting.

I see mtngrl already posted the URL for "Spewifier", but her post was removed.

I've tried to post this several times, but I only get the message that the site is upgrading so I won't waste my time trying.

Thanks anyway, mtngrl and junepop55

February 25, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Who is going to be the first to fill out one of these fancy new profiles? I think anyone who has contributed more than 300 posts should be able to send a picture to clay and have him do a caricature to use for your avatar.

February 25, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
canarysong said...

Clara;

February 25, 2011 at 10:04 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Hi Clara, the site update seems to have deleted the posting history of all users (either that or its just not displaying history yet/anymore?). It was working yesterday which is how I found that link. My post with the link was not removed - it is currently still up there at: February 24, 2011 at 4:18 p.m.

It seems the color coding for links was removed though so it is more difficult to spot.

Here it is again to keep you from scrolling though: [http://www.canary.50webs.com/][1]

February 25, 2011 at 10:06 a.m.
canarysong said...

Arrrrrgh!,,,

This is not working!,,.

If anyone else figures out how to make the updated system work properly on an iPad, please help!

I'll get back to you Clara. Hope you will feel better.

February 25, 2011 at 10:32 a.m.
alprova said...

I finally got mine to upload. I submitted it a couple of times before it uploaded my profile.

Testing bold feature

There appears to be a problem with the link posting process.

http://google.com

February 25, 2011 at 11:06 a.m.

What halted her was a program put together by one of our readers who had programming experience. It was called "Spewifier", which consisted of 50 pages of many of her rants and specifics which were directed back to her, in her own words. Canary disappeared from this blog.(Clara)------------------

Continue to feel free to imagine you know the truth. You forgot to mention all my words (par usual) were taken out of context. The immature website of a person who was filled with so much rage and hatred of myself, she would go to such trouble, I found amusing and typical of the juvenile, boring minds so prevalent on this forum.

I will answer two more issues: one is there is a great big world out there, full of hurt and needy folks. I prefer to spend my time serving them and serving Jesus. You all prefer to wallow in your own filth day after day, be my guest. The ones above who are right, mature and have integrity are a very few and are in my opinion, wasting their precious time with fakers, liars, word and truth twisters. I don't care how old or how young you are, you are wrong (and deceived). Unless, of course, you are one of the many Deceivers..and that brings me to the second issue...

February 25, 2011 at 11:25 a.m.
delmar said...

canaryinthecoalmine said... "I prefer to spend my time serving them and serving Jesus."

Really? Your Jesus doesn't care that you're not able to turn the other cheek and it's okay to pass judgment? Or are you following Jesus (pronounced Hey-seuss), who might be a friend of yours? Just curious.

February 25, 2011 at 12:07 p.m.
canarysong said...

HELP!

I can no longer see what I am writing while I am writing it. Everything is screwy! My iPad is my only computer at home. I feel like I have my hands tied behind my back! If anyone has figured out the iPad problems, please explain it to me.

Alprova, you filled out a profile; please tell me..... It asks me for my e-mail address, but I don't want that to be public. Is it safe to fill that part out?

February 25, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.

Just a few of alpie's twisted, convoluted, hypocritical and reworked comments (there are hundreds over the last 2 years). First he's claiming to be a 'christian', than he's slamming the Bible, Jesus, Jesus's words, His follower's words, ad nauseum. No Follower of Jesus would slam the Bible or other Believers the way this twisted soul does..and stand up for Islam, its followers, deny its atrocities worldwide, then call himself a communist believer, than deny it...other stories include his relative's suicide. He first heard of the tragedy when the police called him, a couple of months later he relates the story and he first heard it from a policeman who shows up at his door. He loves to post his sad stories (made up?) to gather sympathy and attention. That is, when he's getting no attention on a slow day. First he's writing "six figure" checks to the IRS and making money hand over fist, then he's a regular working man. Then he's the darling of the cayman island rich and they're knocking down his door to hear "his wisdom and advice" investing money. Today, he's reworked himself again-he's no such thing. Last year, he bragged about his wife being from a "local, very well-off family" and working for 'the Company', today-no such thing. This is the Creature calling for 'facts' while denigrating facts and evidence from conservative/libertarian/repubs and Christians. If we had more time, we could post hundreds of posts he's written composed of nothing but opinion or nothing but links to dubious sites and characters, hey he even visits reddit to 'counsel' young gay men..oh, then he denies the 'alprova' on THAT site is even himself-must be more than one arrogant, narcissistic alprova---------------

February 25, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Canarysong, I believe everything you fill out will be viewable by the public. You probably shouldn't put your email if you don't want other people to see it.

February 25, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.
canarysong said...

BTW;

NEWS FLASH......

Wisconsin passes GOP bill limiting rights of teachers' union. I'm writing blind, so it's too hard to elaborate. I'll leave it up to mountainlaurel. She can do a better job anyway.

February 25, 2011 at 12:20 p.m.

One thing for sure, the man is anti-Christ, anti-Christians, anti-Conservatives, Libertarians, Republicans or any combo of the above. That makes him pro-Statist, Pro-Progressive, Pro-Marx/Hegel/Stalin/Chavez et al...or any combo thereof. That's not only very stupid, that is very dangerous------

from the creature's mouth:

Communism and Socialism works very well in many countries across the Earth. 1-19 I don't post anything that I can't back up. 1-25 Pride is a word that I never use to describe any accomplishment I have ever achieved. 10-14

You see, the difference between you and I is that I don't need to spend my time assassinating characters by digging up and quoting the opinions of others, who have nothing better to do than to spread rumors, myths, misinformation, and outright lies. 9-23

You may agree with him, and you're not alone, but that kind of crap will not fly with most Americans, and it certainly will not be supported by any majority of Kentuckians. (on Rand Paul) 10-17 The Democrats will be the winners, unless they make the same mistake, which some of them already have, in bowing to this imaginary pressure the Tea-Parties think they wield. (on the mid term election, so much for this false prophet)10-17

Well good for you. They're dead and we're alive. We, as in those of us alive, make the rules now. Not everyone is going to agree with what rules are made, just as I am sure was the case back then too. (re: the founders and the constitution) 9-7

more great logic: Liberals would rather assist all, even if it is a fact that people abuse such assistance, rather than to chance that those in true need are ignored. 8-22

dss wrote: "Alprova, you disqualify from the discussion any “Christian based religious blogs as evidence,” wanting “credible sources of evidence.” One of the last times I was on here, I believe you were giving credence to Sarah Palin’s “faked pregnancy” and cited her IQ score from a source on buzzfeed." "I hardly think you’re the best referee for determining credible sources. (I realize criticizing you often results in 500-750 words, perhaps more judging from your activity today.)"

alp: You should be aware that I offered that particular post in jest. It was never to be taken seriously. I even stated so a few posts later.

The reason I did not want opinions posted on the subject from any Christian related point of view is solely due to the fact that any offered testimonial on the issue would never be objective.

I've yet to meet a hard line Christian that had any tolerance for any other religion that is not based in the belief in the existence of Christ. Therefore they cannot be trusted to be unbiased, fair, or truthful in any representation of applicable facts as they may be.

Okay. No problem. Either what the man wrote was factual or it was not. I know it is not factual. (yes dear, of course you do. of course)

February 25, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.

But that does not mean that some evangelical idiot will not devote an entire website to the subject of Islam and how evil they are and cite all kinds of crap to support their idiotic opinions of Muslims. (what diabolical form of pseudo-religion does this man practice? does it involve pentagons and midnight circles in the woods?)

Opinions are not factual evidence. Now if someone can point to any group of Americans, who happen to be Muslims, and who cheered 9/11, then let's have it. But I'm not about to sort through a bunch of blogs offered as evidence. 8-20 (newsflash: many were cheering in the comfort of their mosques and in the CAIR HQ-all built on US soil)

God is a generic and an English translation in reference to a supreme being. It is not reflective of any one religion, and thus rather innocuous, in my opinion. (my, my, how "christian" of you)

(BW)"As you have pointed out in previous posts the Bible has been changed many times to subjugate its people. I have no problem with People needing a belief system if thats what they choose. There are places of worship all over Chattanooga and beyond to suit any individual's needs. Thats where it needs to stay."

(alp)On that we agree totally. 8-9

More from Animal Farm's Sty: I don't call people "names." I am quite guilty of pointing out character flaws, however.

No offense, but given the level of interaction that you have engaged in on some of these pages, I'm not quite sure that I should be accepting any advice from you, especially when it involves charges of slander. You've written more that a few lies about our President that were easily refuted.

(Indian) "Alprova if some one says some thing and you don't agree,you start calling them a "Jerk,Bozo,Hypocrite and what ever else you can think to call them."

"I can see why you brother in-law killed himself!To be around you for a period of time,you would cause anyone to commit suicide."

(alp)Permit me to point out that your diatribe has exposed the fact that you are quite the jerk yourself, and also a Bozo who fails to understand why you have just exposed yourself to be a hypocrite as well. 7-5 (an exchange with Indian whom he reminds constantly how ignorant and deluded he is-interesting here because if Indian is as stupid as alpie seems to think he is, why has Indian just managed to expose him in all his glorious arrogance, hypocrisy and lies-all in one fell swoop?

Alp, the Great Wazoo: Pointing out to someone that they are ignorant or morbidly stupid is not calling someone a name. In the case of this person who refers to his or her self as "Indian," it is a factual assessment.7-20

February 25, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
canarysong said...

CITCM

Maybe you should worry more about your own life and gossip about others less,

Musicman

Thanks for trying to help. It tells me that e-mail is a required field and won't let me submit a profile without it . I will have to give up soon for today , too busy, but will keep checking for suggestions. Thanks for the help, please forgive my typos!

February 25, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
acerigger said...

That was the Wis. ASEMBLY which passed the bill, not the state legislature. The MSM is trying to mis-lead people into thinking that the deed is done. Just more chicanery and deception from the right.

February 25, 2011 at 12:31 p.m.

canaryfakedhersong: "HELP!"

"I can no longer see what I am writing while I am writing it. Everything is screwy! My iPad is my only computer at home. I feel like I have my hands tied behind my back!"

The above- pretty well describes you and your alter-ego, the fake canuck or schmuck as some of us fondly call him, in a nutshell. Just about every word you've written is a carbon copy of the ex-pat's. Daddy schmuck maybe? How original!

Say hi to everyone of your numerous Tennessee friends and family inhabiting several streets in a cushy neighborhood on Vancouver Island-for me. If that's you, that is-the one with the home business-btw, are you the one posting ads for Canadian pharma drugs on this site too? Just wondering. Blimey, what a nasty nor'easter we just had here, hey, hey?

February 25, 2011 at 12:41 p.m.
canarysong said...

OK, I see someone else with delusional paranoid fantasies has crawled out of the woodwork, oh well....... I guess some people have nothing more interesting to think about. CITCM - I don't intend to waste my time on you.

Hey, it's working now! Thanks, TFP!

Acerigger, thanks for the clarification, I just received an alert on the story and haven't had time to follow up.

Everyone; Please bear with me; computer skills are not my strength and I am a social networking 'virgin'. Can we post private comments to our 'friends'? I have something I really would like to say to Clara.

Also, alprova, how did you post that cool ladybug as your avatar?

February 25, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.

canaryfakedhersongagain: Look in the mirror, if you dare-no one gossiped here but you and Clara. I posted words above right out of the beast's mouth, no need to explain how many lie and deceive here. Seems as if you'll fit in just fine, you've learned to wallow in the mud well. So quickly too, what a fine student you are...and another sychophant of alp's. So su-per-i-or, you all are, so in-tell-i-gent, eh? Seems your true colors are starting to appear. Funny, how veneer is a thin coating and doesn't last as long or look as good as real wood. I suspect that describes your life as well-phoney to the core. You worry about that dear-you have plenty to worry about, I'm sure.

February 25, 2011 at 1:10 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

When are we going to get a cartoon on the fun in Wisconsin? Clay is boring me to death with his cartoons lately.

Go Scott Walker!

February 25, 2011 at 1:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Okay, I'm already tired on you, CITCM. I had forgotten how nice this forum can be when you are gone. I'm sorry you returned, because it reminds me just how screwy some folks can be. You make Francis seem coherent, indian harmless, and rolando positively professorial in comparison.

February 25, 2011 at 1:31 p.m.

BOLD *AND* ITALICS???????????????????? INDIGNATION HAS NEVER BEEN SO SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

February 25, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.
alprova said...

Canarysong wrote: "Alprova, you filled out a profile; please tell me..... It asks me for my e-mail address, but I don't want that to be public. Is it safe to fill that part out?


It appears to be required. You could always create an email addy and dedicate it to this forum, or simply delete anything that comes to your mailbox that you don't care to read or respond to.

February 25, 2011 at 1:41 p.m.

It doesn't seem that they show your e-mail address in your profile.

February 25, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
alprova said...

CITCM wrote: "Just a few of alpie's twisted, convoluted, hypocritical and reworked comments (there are hundreds over the last 2 years). First he's claiming to be a 'christian', than he's slamming the Bible, Jesus, Jesus's words, His follower's words, ad nauseum."


I've never "slammed" the Bible. My position has been very consistent. I believe the Bible to have been altered many times by people on Earth with their own ulterior motives.


"No Follower of Jesus would slam the Bible or other Believers the way this twisted soul does..and stand up for Islam, its followers, deny its atrocities worldwide, then call himself a communist believer, than deny it."


Don't you have your own pathetic soul to worry about? I'll tend to mine and you tend to yours.


"..other stories include his relative's suicide. He first heard of the tragedy when the police called him, a couple of months later he relates the story and he first heard it from a policeman who shows up at his door."


I found the body and called the police, for he killed himself on my property. I have no idea what you are referring to.


"He loves to post his sad stories (made up?) to gather sympathy and attention. That is, when he's getting no attention on a slow day."


Doesn't deserve a response.


"First he's writing "six figure" checks to the IRS and making money hand over fist, then he's a regular working man."


When I was in business prior to my wife's accident, I sure did those big checks to the IRS. I had 50 employees. Now, I am simply a regular working man. Where's the secret?


Then he's the darling of the cayman island rich and they're knocking down his door to hear "his wisdom and advice" investing money. Today, he's reworked himself again-he's no such thing."


As usual, you're lying. I have never claimed to be "Cayman Island rich," or anything close to it. I do claim to be in demand for my services, and I turn down potential business almost every week. What you extrapolate from that, is all of your own creation and projection.


"Last year, he bragged about his wife being from a "local, very well-off family" and working for 'the Company', today-no such thing."


If that's so, then cite the post where I said such a thing. All my posts are still available

February 25, 2011 at 1:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Canarysong wrote: "Also, alprova, how did you post that cool ladybug as your avatar?"


I just Googled "avatars" and found it.

February 25, 2011 at 2:09 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

wwwtw, nice profile. I didn't vote for you, btw.

February 25, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Just wondering: CITCM's 12:24 post is full of dated references to past posting by alprova, yet you say that the history was erased in this TFP update. That the bird had a file of past posts to reference is, well, creepy.

February 25, 2011 at 2:16 p.m.
canarysong said...

Times Free Press;

HELP!

This needs to be more 'idiot-proof' for some of. Us (or maybe just me). Each time I type a letter on my iPad the screen jumps to the top of the page where the cartoon is and I can't see what I am typing. SO frustrating , very. Time-consuming, almost impossible. Please post solution or fix problem.

My apologies to those that I am boring with my tech problems today. Thanks for your patience. .thanks alprova and wwwtw for trying to help.

A couple more question, anyone... How do you post an avatar ? Did those of you who filled out profiles include your e-mails? They do seem to be hidden, thankfully.

Wwwtw, very funny profile! I liked it.

CITCM Thanks for assuming that I am nucanuck. That is a compliment, not an insult. I guess you assume that there must be only one environmentalist in the world. Funny!

February 25, 2011 at 2:19 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Ok, the past comments are still there. There is a "their comments" link under the picture when you click on a profile

February 25, 2011 at 4:09 p.m.

Musicman375 said... "wwwtw, nice profile. I didn't vote for you, btw."

Thanks. I didn't either. (I'm not sure it's legal; I haven't read the pertinent documents.)


canarysong said: "Wwwtw, very funny profile! I liked it."

Thanks. The milkshake was delicious.

February 25, 2011 at 4:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntlaurel,

You are persuasive, you win. I agree, let's just shout all those big companies down, tell them to move out of our country. Those green peace activist need a rest anyway. 947 wealthy families moved out of the country last year, maybe we can get the rest of them to move out as well.

Perhaps they are all trying to manipulate us and get their way, it appears you are convinced people and politicians are ignorant enough to be had so to heck with those with money. We can force more of those big farm owners like Bush, Green Giant and others to move to Brazil and grow their fertilized crap there.

I heard some of the networks were major contributors and have been lobbying so out with them also. We can do just fine without TV or any of what they bad boys produce, can't we? If they stay we should insist all businesses will be taken over and managed by the employees dues paying brotherhood, no more of that entrepreneur crap since that is how all of those big bad boys got started.

That way there will be no cheating wall streeters and those selfish people owning stock won't be griping about the dividends and how the business is managed. If a business has a problem the government can loan them money or give them a subsidy. Yep, you got it, I'm with you. Just one question, where will the government get money?

February 25, 2011 at 5 p.m.

blackwater wrote:

"947 wealthy families moved out of the country last year, maybe we can get the rest of them to move out as well."


Have read Eat the Rich by P.J. O'Rourke? It's an option that should at least be on the table.

We could also send Donald Rumsfeld back to his home planet if he can't produce documents verifying that he's a terrestrial being.

Louis CK asks Donald Rumsfeld if he’s ‘a lizard-person who eats Mexican babies’

February 25, 2011 at 5:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

This new system is another example of fixing something that isn't broken with unintended consequences. Enjoyed the exchanges and wish all those choosing to continue the best. It limits choices to the current 'toon and a prior attempt did not post, perhaps this one will.

February 25, 2011 at 7:47 p.m.

Harp - the 7:47 got posted. The ones I sent from my profile page didn't work, but sent from here on the main thread, it did work.

February 25, 2011 at 7:55 p.m.
canarysong said...

Harp;

I am having aHUGE anoint of trouble wring any posts on this new system myself (see?) , but I really hpoe you won't leave. I enjoy the opportunity to hear a different viewpoint from someone who is rational and civil . You would be missed.

February 25, 2011 at 8:36 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: "Let's just shout all those big companies down, tell them to move out of our country. Those green peace activist need a rest anyway."

Hmmm. . . Do you come by your dependency on dirty oil products naturally, Harp3339? Corporations like Koch Industries have money - lots of money. They just don't want to spend their money on paying their fair share of taxes, don't want the U.S. to change to renewable energy, and don't like like to clean up after themselves.

So, please, if you want to "cry poor mouth" on behalf of dirty fossil fuel profiteers like the Koch brothers, go ahead. But don't expect everybody to buy into this corporate "poor mouth" act. A corporation that is able to hand out campaign contributions to politicians to the tune of 4,548,051 through the years isn't poor.

As to the future, renewable energy products has tremendous potential with lots of jobs for people in this country, and the only thing holding us up are the dirty fossil fuel corporations like Koch Industries. They know it, which is why so much money has been flying out of their fat corporate wallets to fight the climate change issue.

February 25, 2011 at 9:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

Mntlaurel,

I didn't suggest that fossil fuels were OK over the long term or that cleaner sources of energy shouldn't be pursued. I think we should pursue natural gas aggressively and provide more incentives to those with the money to pursue and invent alternatives. The problem with grants by the government is the grantee is limited to that funding and it is in their best interest to continue needing and getting grants. Congressmen and administrative personnel that can't manage to make water run down hill are too involved for the grants to be effective. Instead of grants offer big companies with the resources and ability to create clean alternatives producible in sufficient quantity an extended patent to recover their investment. Provide them a tax "reduction" for verified money spent developing a cheap alternative. Some are already pursuing alternatives on their own. Most astute business people know they need to be ahead of the curve and invest in the next product well ahead of it becoming marketable. It will take companies with resources and capability like Exxon, Chevron, Conoco and others to provide and distribute whatever the alternative is. Kock nor any other special interest group is holding us up. The problem is the ineffective way we are pursuing alternatives.

Green peace and others like the protect the whales foundation are not likely to invent, market or distribute a useful alternative. Another point is there are sufficient opposing views to not be concerned with anyone having a significant impact on legislation or regulation. However, we better be looking at and doing something about the way wealth and wealth producers are leaving the U.S. If you keep beating me up I will escape at the first opportunity, wouldn't you? Keep waiting on or insisting the government do something and some foreign entity or government will discover a good alternative and we will become as dependent on them as we are middle east oil.

I don't think we disagree on the need or objective just the process for getting there. You believe and I don't believe that any activist including the Koch's would knowingly risk their own or their families health and wealth being to increase their wealth. They just happen to have beliefs that are different than mine. Look on the bright side, if they are spreading their money around then it is being spent by those receiving it and helping the economy.

February 26, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.
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