published Wednesday, May 11th, 2011

The Welcome Mat

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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fairmon said...

This should be interesting. At the rate we are going we may have to erect a fence to keep them here instead of keeping them out. I suspect most post will parrot whatever the favored party is saying or some media article as though it is an original thought.

May 11, 2011 at 12:40 a.m.

harp How long before a Jim Scales toon? That will be a doosy.

May 11, 2011 at 2:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

Scales is laughing all the way to the bank. A bonus for signing and another for resigning. Now we can hire him as a high dollar consultant. As maddening as that would be it wouldn't surprise me if that happens.

May 11, 2011 at 6:27 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Is that our immigration policy or Mexico's?

May 11, 2011 at 6:34 a.m.
hambone said...

Which is more secure?

Our borders or this welcome mat?

May 11, 2011 at 7:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

obama speaks and bennett tries to do a cartoon to support obama's position. bennett is obama's lapdog. I find this so boring I cannot find words to describe.

Here is a great obama v osama cartoon

Here is the issue bennett and obama don't want us talking about

May 11, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.
twharr said...

@ BRP, you criticize Bennett on the regular...I suggest you blog on Fox News...that way you won't waste any of your non-precious time.

May 11, 2011 at 8:06 a.m.
ceeweed said...

As a teenager, before joining the U.S. Army, I worked in stove factories, chair factories, and carpet mills. These same industries are flooded with illegal aliens doing the same jobs I use to do. Why are these jobs being touted as work "Americans are not willing to do"? ... Industry Big Wigs do not mind this vast labor pool because these people are easy to suppress and, in turn, wages and benefits have trended downward.

What's the plan? Are we going to deport all of these millions of illegal workers? Will American workers suddenly become "willing" to do these jobs for the same suppressed wages with no benefits. Are companies "willing" to cut into share holder profits in order to provide a living wage and group health insurance for an American work force to replace these illegal aliens? Not going to happen. No how, no way. Democrats and Republicans are equally complicit in this conundrum. This entire issue has created some strange bed fellows,indeed.

May 11, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
EaTn said...

The one thing that most modern countries face and fear is an aging decline in the workforce population to maintain their economy. Thanks to the illegals the US is in a very good position, but some are trying to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

May 11, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "you criticize Bennett on the regular...I suggest you blog on Fox News...that way you won't waste any of your non-precious time"

Ahhh, that would be because bennett is a bum and needs to hear how much he sucks so he might take the opportunity to improve his work. He is a progressive propaganda robot that takes all of his ideas directly from the democrat (ic) party and the left wing press.

Back when he had Republicans in power, making the news, his work was much better because he felt free to rightly criticize the party in power. There was plenty of material to work with and it seemed he could focus on a clever delivery and did not have to struggle in the search for material.

Since his party has come to power and has begun driving the news he has a hard time finding material because he refuses to criticize his own party. He has become a cheerleader, not a thinker, much like his supporters on these pages.

Notice that people like Jon Stewart have been able to stay relevant with the democrats in charge. This is because he can see that the democrats supply oceans full of good material and he is not afraid to take advantage.

I am only trying to help bennett improve. Lord knows someone needs to help him see his weaknesses. The bennett worshipers will automatically commend bennett for mediocre work every day and leave him with the impression he is doing a good job.

Up until now, he has ignored my advice so I have to keep beating my drum in the hope I can rescue him from his own mental mediocrity.

May 11, 2011 at 8:44 a.m.
limric said...

Texas governor Rick Perry announced last week his state will start holding undocumented migrant workers in dog cages while courts decide their status. Arizona’s Jan Brewer plans to use giant cannons that will shoot anyone with skin darker than a saltine cracker back across the border to Mexico.

In an effort to calm Hispanics fears about Texas and Arizona’s new immigration policies, President Obama, while speaking in El Paso, mentioned possible comprehensive immigration reform legislation that would allow illegal immigrants hiding……residing in the U.S. longer than five years to stay. Those who have been here between two and five years would be asked nicely to leave, so they could return to pick beans and lettuce. And immigrants here less than two years will be right back with your dinner.

Great cartoon Clay

May 11, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "Great cartoon Clay"

You paint a more interesting picture with your post than bennett did with his cartoon and then you commend him for his mediocre work. Sigh.

May 11, 2011 at 8:59 a.m.
tderng said...

I kinda think Obama had a good idea...put a bunch of alligators into the Rio Grande!load it up and publicize it.

May 11, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.

Claydo will draw anything that supports the leftist agenda or mocks the oppositition. He lacks the necessary imagination and creativity to do anything else.

May 11, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
twharr said...

@ BRP, it’s called political satire. He makes fun of the left and right. Unfortunately, it’s been more of the right due to their extremely glossed birther/tea-party rhetoric. Think about it...the right has Donald Trump as their pitch man now?? I try my best to be bi-partisan/independent, however, the Becks, Trumps and Limbaughs have high-jacked the Republican Party which has made them irrelevant. The millions of people who follow these clowns underscore why they are fair game to be made fun of...hence is the reason why Bennett does it. You can't educate Bennett based on your own clandestine agenda to cover the atrocities of your right wing views. You can, however, look at what he's doing as slapping the face of the machine we call the government. The prosecution rests.

May 11, 2011 at 9:24 a.m.
limric said...


Yes, I do commend his work. Clay Bennett is a fine cartoonist. He is in company with some of the best in the country. As is Michael Ramirez and Chuck Asay (conservative), Ted Rall and Mr Fish (eviscerate Democrats consistently), Tom Toles (my personal favorite) and of course Gary Trudeau.

So you don’t like his political slant. That’s your right. But there is no getting around Clay’s talent. Mediocre it is not. As a matter of fact, one of his older cartoons is one of the best I’ve ever seen. It’s a security vs. privacy theme.

View here:

May 11, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

we have a president who is a jackass...simply a jackass......shamelessly kissing up to illegal aliens and attacking states and citizens...for what? for votes...what makes you racist and elitist lefties think that mexicans who have come here the proper way/lawfully...are ok with illegal aliens?

oh, i guess you think they'll automatically be ok with crime just because they're the same race as the criminals? you leftists are a foul.

and i suppose all black americans are ok with gang violence and all italian americans are ok with the mafia?..

same thinking...

obama and you libs are so damn stupid and ignorant that you think all people of mexican heritage think alike......

obama on the border ridiculing states and citizens and kissing up to illegal alien criminals and michelle obama inviting a rapper to the white house who raps about killing policeman and killing a former president....oh, yeah......what a fine first couple......gag

May 11, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.
tderng said...

twharr said... @ BRP, it’s called political satire. He makes fun of the left and right.

maybe I missed it!Have only been coming here for about 8 months but I truly do not ever remember when Clay made fun of the left.Most of the conservative tooners are willing to make fun of both when the opportunity arises.Now I like to come here and read the posters and sometimes even join in,but I don't remember Clay ever poking fun at the left.

May 11, 2011 at 9:45 a.m.
twharr said...

@ tderng, allow me to dumb it down for you. For the past 10 yrs, the last 2 being the most extreme, the right has shot themselves in the foot time and time again based on their un-American/tyrannical/imperialistic views. I could reference so many examples, but I'm close to my lunch break and have a lot of work to do. The 10 yrs I referenced trumps your 8 mos of viewing, again, "political satire” via Bennett.

May 11, 2011 at 10 a.m.
twharr said...

@ SeaMonkey, I could see if your tirade of hate had solutions to the problem at hand, but all you do is blog hate and contradictories. You remind me of an irrelevant Republican (i.e. Trent Lott). Oh YOU people and your third-world points of view! Maybe one day you'll allow me to educate on the premise of cause and effect. I know its hard for YOU people to grasp the knowledge of that simple theory, so I'd be more than welcome to schedule you in for a sit down session - free of charge of course. I'll even supply the Mountain Dew and Skoals...again free of charge.

May 11, 2011 at 10:14 a.m.
tderng said...

twharr,let me dumb it down even further for you!! Please show me where Clay has ever done a toon poking fun at the left!I don't know if I can dumb it down any more for YOU.Unless you are drinking kool-aid and can't see when the left makes a gaffe(thats a mistake in case you don't know).for instance 57 states?The border fence is complete(WRONG).Our border is secure(WRONG),come on twharr there is plenty of "satire" material on both side of the fence(pun intended).

May 11, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "it’s called political satire. He makes fun of the left and right"

What planet do you live on twharr? I challenge you to find one example were he "makes fun of" the left.

May 11, 2011 at 10:26 a.m.
twharr said...

tderng, let me get this're blaming the Obama administration due to the influx of illegals? YOUR President Bush had 8 yrs to solve that problem, but he didn't. He was too focused overseas than at home. Now we have to deal with the illegals based on his failures. Do you recommend we round them up into camps like we did the Japanese? Can we say civil war and riots?? Surely you're not suggesting that. Like it or not they are part of our society now. Obama is doing the right thing regarding a path to citizenship. This country was founded on illegal immigration. It's our history.

May 11, 2011 at 10:27 a.m.
twharr said...

@ BPR, there's no reason, in recent mos/yrs, for him to do that. YOU people up-stage the Democratic Party on all comedic varietals.

May 11, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "As a matter of fact, one of his older cartoons is one of the best I’ve ever seen"

I think I already gave him credit for doing better work, when he was willing to satire the party in power. If you look at the old work verses everything since he came to the TFP I think you would have to admit there has been a serious drop in depth and quality.

His "still lives" of inanimate objects like certificates, gages and door mats are the epitome of his most boring work. Recently it seems like these have been a staple for him.

May 11, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Based on twharr and Obama's plan, it would be logical to just release all the thiefs and burglars from prison since they are so over crowded. What a dipwad. And I thought Chet was stupid. tw, you take the cake.

May 11, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
twharr said...

@ L4F, the key term you reference in your post is mos not years. That says it all for me.

May 11, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "there's no reason, in recent mos/yrs, for him to do that. YOU people up-stage the Democratic Party on all comedic varietals"

So you are now backing down from the statement that he satires both left and right. You admit he is a devout leftist and completely unbalanced. I presume you will not be looking for any examples of bennett mocking the left because you know there are no examples. Right?

May 11, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.
twharr said...

@ Nurse for Justice, you're an idiot...where did I reference releasing criminals into society? I'm referring to illegals who work hard for a living.

May 11, 2011 at 10:42 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Suggestion to the Chattanooga Times Free Press,

Tell bennett to quit with the still life thing. Moreover, tell him the next time he does a still life of a piece of paper you are going to send his a$$ packin'.

May 11, 2011 at 10:43 a.m.
twharr said...

@ BRP, I never gave you a precise date did I? Again, you referenced you've been viewing for mos. I challenge you to prove me wrong regarding his bi-partisan satire.

May 11, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.
canarysong said...

twharr wrote (to tderng),

"Do you recommend we round them up into camps like we did the Japanese?"

--- Don't be silly..... The right wing is busy prepping all of that space for Muslim Americans.

"This country was founded on illegal immigration. It's our history."

--- I'm betting Native Americans are wishing that THEY had had electrified fencing!

May 11, 2011 at 10:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "I never gave you a precise date did I? Again, you referenced you've been viewing for mos. I challenge you to prove me wrong regarding his bi-partisan satire"

Now who is the idiot? I did not reference months. You are confusing me with someone else. I DID reference his time with the TFP, but not to you.

I am not enough of an idiot to go back through years of clay bennett cartoons to try to prove a negative to you, you dork. You are the one that made the ridiculous claim that bennett satires both the left and the right. The rest of us, even bennett and his supporters know you are dead wrong. If you need to go prove it to yourself go knock yourself out.

I think twharr may be chet123 reincarnated, similar levels if idiocy.

May 11, 2011 at 10:53 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

tw, the illegals are criminals just as seamonkey said. So my statement is true. Obama is using this just to campaign (which is what he does best). He isn't focusing on the economy which should be the first priority. No president has been able to do anything about the illegals or hasn't been willing to. So Obama just wants to give them a free ride. As seamonkey says, he is a thug Chicago crooked politician.

May 11, 2011 at 10:54 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

It looks like canarysong is in a playful mood today!

May 11, 2011 at 10:55 a.m.
twharr said...

Oh BRP, you third-world thought processor. You might be right in the sense of me confusing you with another dumb ass. However, I won't back down that Bennett has been fair in the past. I've seen your post here and there - needless to say you make some pretty uneducated postings. I assume you have a GED and work at the local Dollar General so I'll leave you alone.

May 11, 2011 at 11 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

canarysong said... "I'm betting Native Americans are wishing that THEY had had electrified fencing"

That is a really funny comment! I am going to have to ask my Cherokee wife what she thinks about that.

Have you ever noticed that native Americans who have chosen to assimilate are doing just fine and in general do not care to run around calling themselves “Native Americans”? In contrast, have you ever noticed that native Americans who want to stay on the dole are subject to oppressive poverty? I think any group that choses to ride the victimization pony could learn from the native American example.

Thank you for that opportunity canarysong!

May 11, 2011 at 11:04 a.m.
twharr said...

@ The Nurse aka Gaylord Focker, I challenge you to come up with a solution. All you've done is rant about what you don't like about Obama. You've piggy back on SeaMonkey's post. Come on kiddo...get it together.

May 11, 2011 at 11:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "However, I won't back down that Bennett has been fair in the past"

Come on genius, show us ONE example. I would be really impressed if you could find one from his days at TFP but will allow you to go back as far as you please. I really should not do that as your claim was made in the present tense, "He makes fun of the left and right".

Only uber idiots aggressively pick fights over looser positions. Al Gore comes to mind.

May 11, 2011 at 11:11 a.m.
limric said...

The small sea creatures angry tirades aimed at the enlightened can best summed be up by the following quote: "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from mediocrities." - Albert Einstein

May 11, 2011 at 11:18 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Tick, tick, tick...

twharr begins his quest not knowing that hours or days from now he will resurface with not a single clay bennett cartoon that mocks the left...

What a dork!

May 11, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
twharr said...

@ BRP, wow, that's the best you can come up with? Who uses the word "uber" - are you serious dude? You're a joke.

May 11, 2011 at 11:20 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Dang limric, is twharr a sea creature?

May 11, 2011 at 11:20 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "(insert pointless tirade here)"

May 11, 2011 at 11:22 a.m.
twharr said...

My pup can sling better jabs than you. You must be a chick.

May 11, 2011 at 11:24 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "(insert pointless tirade here)"

May 11, 2011 at 11:26 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

tw, while the problem is multifaceted and complex, I do think that Arizona and Texas have a good start to the problem, especially since they are on the front lines of the problem. Now you on the other hand just want to sit back and let all come in and be made citizens without going thru the proper channels. How is that fixing the problem? Now you need to come up with a better solution. Also you have stated that Bennett is fair about his toons yet you have not produced one single toon that pokes fun at his party. I have been on this site for several years and have not seen one that I can remember. YOU made the statement and should have to show the proof. But alas, I don't think you will have one to produce. tsk tsk.

May 11, 2011 at 11:34 a.m.
nucanuck said...

With a thoughtful cartoon about a non-partisan national issue, most of the commentary is redirected toward the cartoonist.

Does polarization trump substance on this board? It would seem so.

A nation of immigrants should be able to discuss immigrants in all forms and flavors. I wonder how native Americans felt about the "whiting" of America by the undocumented European hordes that "ruined" their country.

Maybe we are all one people and borders are just political constructs that hinder mankind's natural development. Does our color blend really matter? Does our language mix really matter?

Are there any grown-up thoughts out there?

May 11, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...


obama is trying to steer the political dialogue away from the deficit. His lap dog, bennett, dutifully assists obama in his redirection.

The big issues trump the distractions. When the cartoonist becomes obviously irrelevant he is a ripe target.

May 11, 2011 at 11:44 a.m.
Horus said...

the north American union owns you. Immigration laws? Pfft. North American union please! Never heard of this amazing act? Google it. Seems ole W isn't so conservative afterall.

May 11, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.
tderng said...

Thanks folks.Had to leave my computer for a few and returned to see that others picked up my flag and put harr-dee,harr-harr in his place.He seems to wants to change the subject about Clays leftist slant instead of admitting he made a faux pas (social blunder there tw).I don't think that anything can be done about illegal immigration until we(the U.S. tw) gets our porous borders fixed.I have absolutely no problem with anyone who comes here through the legal channels.It is what makes America great.We are the melting pot of the world.That is why people from all over the world want to come here.

May 11, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.
nucanuck said...


Obama is building a platform for 2012...surprise,surprise. Never-the-less, immigration is a major issue that America needs to confront with more than xenophobic kneejerk twaddle.

Personal opinion attacks on the cartoonist doing his job, contribute little to the very real issues that are being presented.

May 11, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The cartoonist is performing at a mediocre level at best and needs to hear it so he does not sit back on his laurels until he finds himself without a job, homeless, trying to suck on my teat.

May 11, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

SeaMonkey said: “for some damn reason, a big chunk of mexicans/illegal aliens don't feel the need to respect the law by coming into the country the proper way. that's the problem. obama is a pig....pure and simple. spitting in the face of citizens in texas and arizona who have been literally under siege from illegal entrants/illegal aliens/mexican criminals.”

Hmmmm . . . Why do you - along with so many of your fellow Republicans - emphasize the “mexican/illegal aliens” who enter the U.S. through Texas in your rants, but say nothing about the thousands and thousands of Cuban “illegal entrants” entering the U.S. through Texas? For this particular “illegal entrant” nationality, the Texas-Mexico border appears to be an open door:

“Since the mid-1990s. . . Many Cuban immigrants departed from the southern and western coasts of Cuba and arrived at the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico; many landed on Isla Mujeres. From there Cuban immigrants traveled to the Texas-Mexico border and found asylum. . . The term "dusty foot" refers to Cubans immigrating to the U.S. through Mexico. In 2005 the Department of Homeland Security had abandoned the approach of detaining every dry foot Cuban who crosses through Texas and began a policy allowing most Cubans to obtain immediate parole.”

Wikipedia Link:

And, indeed, if you are so concerned about the amount of tax payers dollars allegedly going to “illegal entrants,” why do say nothing about the fact that it is the Cuban “illegal entrant” groups who are automatically eligible to receive public financial assistance, Medicare, scholarships, business loans etc – not the Mexicans - and that it has been this way for the past 45 years:

“In order to provide aid to recently arrived Cuban immigrants, the United States Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act in 1966. The Cuban Refugee Program provided more than $1.3 billion of direct financial assistance. They also were eligible for public assistance, Medicare, free English courses, scholarships, and low-interest college loans. Some banks even pioneered loans for exiles who did not have collateral or credit but received help in getting a business loan. These loans enabled many Cuban Americans to secure funds and start up their own businesses. With their Cuban-owned businesses and low cost of living, Miami, Florida and Union City, New Jersey (dubbed "Little Havana-on-the Hudson")[10] were the preferred destinations for many immigrants and soon became the main centers for Cuban American culture.”

Wikipedia Link:

May 11, 2011 at 12:32 p.m.
twharr said...

@ L4F, so you do admit that he does make fun of the left as well. Thanks for backing me up.

@ BPR, better yet PBR, even the extremist L4F agrees with me. I'm sorry I don't have time to go through all the archives, since Bennett's been with TFP, to find you a leftist jab.

@ tderng, thanks for the education. I, at times, forget how socially and politically cognizant the right can be. Well played sir.

May 11, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.

Please support your local Taco Bell.

May 11, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.
limric said...

All kidding aside, Clay’s welcome mat illustrates our immigration perceptions. It is neither pro- left nor right. On the one hand, too tough a law is seen as racist; on the other, too little intervention is seen as not protecting our national borders. The reality is, we are really just concerned about one border, the one between the U.S. and Mexico. The northern border with Canada hardly receives any attention, though it is almost three times as long. Thus illustrating it is not the border itself that creates a problem but its being crossed illegally. Yea I know - duh!

There are only two approaches I can think of to ending people coming here illegally,

1.Protect the boarders to prevent illegal entry.

2.Remove the reason people enter illegally.

The first approach requires building a national barricade and patrolling the border, much like the East Germans and the Berlin Wall during the Cold War. The image of our borders dominated by Cold War style “Checkpoint Charlies” is not the image I particularly like, though that is quickly becoming the norm. What's next, border states with neighborhood checkpoints for everyone's documents? In other words, welcome to the Police States of America.

The second approach requires us to understanding why people enter the United States illegally. While there are many reasons, one dominates all others – work. The media inflames fear and promotes prejudiced beliefs while minimizing employment as the motive. Thus there is no political upside in addressing work as the true motive and faces many downsides. One of the biggest downsides to working in the United States illegally is that it provides a cheap labor force for employers. Taking that labor force away will drive wage costs up in employment areas like farming and food processing plants, which employ people here illegally on an industrial scale. Still, this is exactly what needs to be addressed, and does not require the extreme measures of making “Fort America” out of our home.

May 11, 2011 at 12:59 p.m.

Limric soon it will be a any where you wont to be world under a one world government.

NWO is in effect my friend ^^^

May 11, 2011 at 1:04 p.m.
limric said...

Good point lighthouse, and truer than most realize. That's why I'm either going to move to Wyoming, or Montana. Or if I have enough money, a small villa (house) near the Mediterranean coast in Spain. Food, Gold (except I have mostly silver), guns and brass - the true future commodities.

May 11, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...


All you need to do is raise the standard of living in Mexico so people are not so desperate to find a better life.

Oh wait, I thought the US was the land of the working man being abused by his wealthy corporate master.

In which case, Mexican's are insane self-destructive masochists that come to the country of oppressive capitalists to escape the land of maize and honey south of our border.

Now I am all confused.

What are you trying to do, get us back on topic?

May 11, 2011 at 1:10 p.m.
canarysong said...

aughhh!...... I had to go and remove eight inches of heavy snow from my dish to get the wi-fi to work (it's still coming down). I may be incommunicado today! That would be fine if I felt well enough to go out and enjoy it. Oh well...

These two posts have been waiting for a while:


"....native Americans who have chosen to assimilate are doing just fine and in general do not care to run around calling themselves “Native Americans”

--- Wow, my head is reeling trying to digest the concept of Native Americans "assimilating" in what was their own country! Your Cherokee wife not withstanding, philosophical differences exist within every group and I know a couple of Native Americans (scholars/activists at the Native American Rights Foundation) that would take issue with your post.

"... trying to suck on my teat."

--- Yech! Thanks for ruining my appetite!

nurseforjustice wrote,

"tw, the illegals are criminals just as seamonkey said."

--- Wait a minute, there you go with that black/white all-or-nothing thinking that is so typical of the far right. Is illegal immigration a crime? Yes (so is hiring them!). Are these people rapists and murders? Not typically. Most of these people are desperately trying (at great risk) to build a better life for their families.

I live in an area of the country that has far more illegal immigrants than does Tennessee (and I see very little anti-immigrant sentiment here). I have gotten to know several of them. One man in his fifties that I see every year works long hours in the heat from Spring through the Fall (for very low wages), sends most of his money home to his wife, children, and parents-in-law, and longs for the end of the season when he can be home again. He is one of the sweetest people I have ever met. They are often treated as something less than servants, yet many of our businesses could not survive without them (and the businesses KNOW it).

Obviously no country can afford to just throw open its borders. However, we need to realize that this is a very complex problem. We need to address it in a way that makes sense for our economy, for business, and also remember all the while that we are dealing with families here, not hardened criminals. I think that there are some politicians on both sides of the aisle that are trying to do just that.

May 11, 2011 at 1:14 p.m.
nucanuck said...


You may, indeed, "be confused". The flow of Hispanic immigration has turned negative with more leaving the US than coming. Might the US pass Mexico on the way down? The reverse flow would indicate that some workers may be anticipating growing opportunities to the south.

May 11, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.
twharr said...

L4F, I don't get your plight. I've tried analyzing some of your prior postings and they are completely biased in the sense you blame all on liberals. Liberal this - liberal that - liberal - liberal - liberal. I challenge you to think outside of the neo-conic box you've sealed yourself into and become open minded and free of your self-inflicted tyranny. It's borderline insanity. Liberals are not the reason for unemployment, gas prices, illegal immigration, wars, etc... You make baseless posts and quite frankly your words are empty. You remind me of an amped up Sean Hannity. If you want to debate the facts I’m all for it, but don’t post extreme biased propaganda. This isn’t Fox News.

May 11, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

canarysong said... "Wow, my head is reeling trying to digest the concept of Native Americans "assimilating" in what was their own country!"

That statement makes me smile. I cannot cling to my God or my Constitution without being labeled as "backward" or "non-intellectual" but someone of native American decent that wants to live a more primitive lifestyle rooted in tradition and spiritual beliefs has a special respect in canarysong's mind, so much so that to challenge sends her head “reeling”!

Now I am laughing out loud. Do you people realize how conflicted you are?

May 11, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nucanuck said... "You may, indeed, "be confused". The flow of Hispanic immigration has turned negative with more leaving the US than coming. Might the US pass Mexico on the way down? The reverse flow would indicate that some workers may be anticipating growing opportunities to the south"

See what you leftists have done to this country? obama has screwed things up so bad that Mexico is a better place to live than the US and all of the immigrants are going home. Thanks a lot!

Wait, If that is true, why did obama find it necessary to speak on immigration policy? Is he trying to find a way to facillitate the flood of Mexicans back into Mexico?

The more I listen to you lefties the more confused I get!

May 11, 2011 at 1:30 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

No Canary they are not criminals deserving of death but criminals nonetheless. And if we (conservatives) are ALL Black and White as you say, then you (Libs) ALL have no absolutes. I have lived in a border town for 8 yrs and it ain't all fun and games with families just looking for work. It is where a host of drug deals are done by illegals along with rape and murder. And yes I know business men who probably could not do business without them, which is what makes it so complex as you and I both have stated. I do not believe the end justifies the means. I don't know how long it has been since you have been here to Chatt. but our Hispanic population is booming. Now before any of you start saying that I am prejudiced you need to realize that I have 2 Hispanic siblings that I love dearly. I have always been accepting of any race that is here legally and enthralled with their stories.

May 11, 2011 at 1:32 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

because the issue, morons, is mexican illegal aliens...that's the problem on our southern border.. they are mexican..what should i call them, swedish? nearly 100% of illegal aliens entering our country illegally our southern border are lefties can spin it all you want and label anyone who points out the fact that they're mexican as racists, but then again reality is not your strong suit and causes you a problem. it's the same thing with extremist, muslim terrorists....we're not allowed to point out that they're muslim or from the middle east...we're supposed to keep up the fantasy that they could be anyone.

obama is shamelessly attmepting to gain favor with latinos by kissing up to mexican illegal aliens.

anyone who comes into this country illegally is a matter what race or nationality.. but the fact is...mexicans are the ones pouring through our borders....that's the issue at hand.

and's typical of leftists like you to label anyone who doesn't agree with you or points out facts as racists or bigots.

there are two problems...what to do with the illegal aliens in this country now..and how to better stop them from coming in/defending our borders ....

the most important job of the federal government is to protect its citizens...that means defend our borders. it's not being done.

this issue has nothing to do with's a matter of national security....

while janet napalitano is instructing her army of perverts to pat down little girls and babies...our borders are like swiss cheese and obama is making speeches putting putting down our citizens so he can get a few rounds of applause from mexican illegal aliens..

that's right, mountain laurel.....MEXICAN illegal aliens........and extremist MUSLIM MIDDLE EASTERN MEN.

you lefties would always prefer to stick your heads up your collective asses rather than deal with facts....

it's not a civil rights issue, it's not a racial issue, it's not an immigration's a national security issue, it's a crime issue and it's priority because u.s. citizens are being victimized.

bennett's cartoon is disgusting in it's attempt to confuse the issue......everyone is welcome here. but you have to come in the right way...simple as that...mexican, italian, german, south african, indian, mongolian....should i go on?

if you find it racist, mountainlaurel, it's because you're a moron.

May 11, 2011 at 1:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Purge mind of leftist inputs...

Oh yes. We are talking about immigration policy because obama (and his lapdog bennett) do not want to talk about the deficit.

Head screwed on straight again. Note to self; Ignore leftists.

May 11, 2011 at 1:39 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

BRP, you are correct.

May 11, 2011 at 1:43 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

canarysong said... "Yech! Thanks for ruining my appetite"

If it creeped you out, just imagine how much the vision creeped me out. That is why I am trying to turn over a new leaf. I want to help bennett become a good cartoonist so I don't have to fear his quivering lips. Anything I can do to help…

May 11, 2011 at 1:47 p.m.
canarysong said...


"....someone of native American decent that wants to live a more primitive lifestyle rooted in tradition and spiritual beliefs has a special respect in canarysong's mind"

--- Actually, I think that we are all enriched when each ethnic group is able to retain the history, traditions, and religion of their group if they so choose. The only time that I have a problem with any group is when they try to force their narrow ideology (fundamentalist Christian, fundamentalist Muslim,.. you name it) on everyone else. Some cultures that lived "a more primitive lifestyle" honored values that we have unfortunately cast aside for short-sightedness and greed. It's a shame that we seem so unwilling to think that we might be able to learn from others.

May 11, 2011 at 1:48 p.m.
twharr said...

@ SeaMonkey (McCain) and BRP (Boehner), all you guys have done is post complaints. You "con"servatives are good at flapping the pallet, but won't provide any realistic solutions to the problem at hand. Blame - blame - blame - that's all I hear. Instead of speaking for your party, how about speaking for America as a whole. Join us Independents and Liberals to come up with a solution.

May 11, 2011 at 1:53 p.m.
canarysong said...

BPR, re: 1:47 post;

Stop it! I find it hard to dislike you when you make me laugh!

May 11, 2011 at 1:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

canarysong said... "I think that we are all enriched when each ethnic group is able to retain the history, traditions"

Yeah right. Can I have a Constitutional America Reservation where us freedom loving anglo saxons can be free of leftist bedwetters?

That would be heaven!

May 11, 2011 at 1:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

twharr said... "(insert-pointless-tirade-here)"

May 11, 2011 at 2:04 p.m.
nucanuck said...


With the current deportation rate of "illegals" far higher now than pre-Obama, with more Hispanics leaving than arriving, I'm surprised that you aren't praising this aspect of the Obama regime.

May 11, 2011 at 2:08 p.m.
twharr said...

That's becoming a bit redundant don't you think PBR? I must have you on the ropes. Tell you trainer SeaMonkey to throw the towel in for you. Concede and I'll leave you alone.

May 11, 2011 at 2:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

canarysong said... "I think that we are all enriched when each ethnic group is able to retain the history, traditions"

Yeah, right. Can I pray to my God at the beginning of a highschool football game as tradition has dictated since the town was founded, or does a national busy body group like the ACLU get to trump my tradition?

May 11, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

tw, so far all you have done this whole thread is insult others, calling them names and make non-factual claims that have yet to be proved by you or anyone else on this thread. In fact I can't remember when you have ever had anything constructive to say about anything. That puts you right up there with Chet and that other fellow that was kicked off this site (can't remember his name) but at least you are not vulgar, yet.

NN, where do you get your info from regarding more illegals returning than coming in? Or did you just make that up? That is news to me and I would dare say to the rest of this thread.

May 11, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.
chet123 said...

Oh there you go BigRidgePatriot..stop running away

May 11, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.
chet123 said...

did i read BigRidgePatriot..saying something abotu praying to his GOD

May 11, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

notice BIGRIDGE said his GOD...his GOD..darn it...who is his and greedy LOL LOL

May 11, 2011 at 2:18 p.m.
twharr said...

Chet's on here...I'm out!

May 11, 2011 at 2:20 p.m.
chet123 said...

see the haters are in here crying whineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

May 11, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

See what I mean... useless babble.

May 11, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

chet123 and twharr,

Try saying something worth answering and you might get an answer.

You two should form a club or something. Call yourself Leftist Obnoxious Dimwitted Americans (LODA), claim you are somehow genetically linked and establish some traditions to be protected by the ACLU.

The genetic link can be probably be found in a DNA defect that inhibits brain function.

May 11, 2011 at 2:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nurseforjustice said... "See what I mean... useless babble"

You are way to kind.

May 11, 2011 at 2:25 p.m.
chet123 said...

although Ronald Reagan was once a union leader he saw he could make big he flip flop over to the employer and big corporation that time union was strong and had influence in America...Reagan strategy was to break the union with immigrant worker...he encourage immigrant worker to come in america to under cut union republican want to undo what they started....the great Ronald Reagan...what a bird Brain LOL LOL

May 11, 2011 at 2:31 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

and you are so clever. Love the post from May 11, 2011 at 2:23 p.m.

May 11, 2011 at 2:31 p.m.
chet123 said...

tee tee hee funny

May 11, 2011 at 2:33 p.m.
chet123 said...

bigridge...come on you can do better than that...say something funny for the lil lady...thats sooooo funny

May 11, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
chet123 said...

so you doing funny act now...i see you an entertainer

May 11, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
chet123 said...

show me your boot licking act of the Rich and Greedy

May 11, 2011 at 2:37 p.m.
chet123 said...

he is so so clever....posters check these love birds...or bird brain out

May 11, 2011 at 2:38 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The eyes roll into the back of everyone's heads...

It is like an out of control 2 year old just walked into the room.

May 11, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
chet123 said...

you are so clever, you are so clever,,you are so clever, MY HERO!!!!...Saved me from the boogeyman! you are so clever(kissing butts)

May 11, 2011 at 2:44 p.m.
chet123 said...

too bad you get blistered by a 2year old brain... Einstein!

May 11, 2011 at 2:47 p.m.
chet123 said...

i rather talk you want to get personal...but i can stoop to your level

May 11, 2011 at 2:48 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Well this site just went to _ (place in here whatever description fits, I think most know what it should be). See ya 2 yr old. Don't have time for your shinanigans.

May 11, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
Leaf said...

I think someone needs a timeout.

Actually, I think this cartoon is very insightful. Mexican illegal aliens are an important part of our economy - for better or worse - and making high but not insurmountable barriers ensures that we get more motivated ones. They provide necessary unskilled labor at low cost. That enriches everyone except American citizens who would normally do unskilled labor.

Option #1 Continue to let illegal aliens work in America. Sub-Option A - Continue to turn a blind eye. Business as usual. Sub-Option B - Document and work-visas as G.W. Bush and Obama have both proposed, but could not pass due to lobbyists for various business interests.

Option #2 Enforce laws and deny work to illegal aliens. Raise the artificially depressed wages for unskilled labor to reflect an American living wage instead of a Mexican living wage.

The problem is, sound-bite thinkers want to do the first part of option #2, but not the second. It can't work that way.

May 11, 2011 at 2:52 p.m.
chet123 said...

just the hater in here now...i'm willing to bet you old geezers are over 65year old....miss the goodole days in the south...(segregations) LOL LOL LOL leave us good whitefolk alone LOL LOL

May 11, 2011 at 2:54 p.m.
chet123 said...

LEAF...i agree 100%

May 11, 2011 at 2:55 p.m.
canarysong said...


13 posts in 30 minutes, and only one that is in any way substantive. Don't make mamma canary come down there and spank you!

Please slow down and consolidate your posts. Or, better yet, just post the one and maybe people will listen to you more.

May 11, 2011 at 2:56 p.m.
chet123 said...

the state of arizona set the wrong signal for the rest of the nation

May 11, 2011 at 2:58 p.m.
chet123 said...

OK canarysong

May 11, 2011 at 3:01 p.m.
rolando said...

Eight inches of snow!!

Good Lord, canarysong, it is 87.6 degrees F at 3PM EST here in TFP country. You are a bit distant for picking on Tenn, aren't you? Is nucanuck your neighbor, by chance? He's on a supposedly exclusive/self-styled elite island fortress with a closed/controlled is called Vancouver.

May 11, 2011 at 3:03 p.m.
chet123 said...

i apologize for my behavior canarysong...that BigRidge just get me FIRED UP!....i will behave ...promise!

May 11, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
canarysong said...


"Can I pray to my God at the beginning of a highschool football game..."

--- It is my understanding that the concept of a "personal god" means that you have a 'direct line' to that god and no intermediary is necessary. Correct me if I am wrong on this. That would mean that you could pray privately anytime and anywhere that you wish, no one needs to 'lead' you in prayer. Is your faith so shaky that you cannot attend to this on your own?

Personally, I don't care where and when you pray, as long as I am not compelled in any way to be part of it (or to pay for it) and as long as you are willing to give that same right to anyone else who has a different concept of god and/or worship than you do. How do you feel about including a Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or Pagan prayer at those ball games? After all, freedom of religion means freedom for ALL religions.

May 11, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
rolando said...

Big Ridge -- thanks for the "(insert pointless tirade here)" comment. I will use it often, most probably against lkeith, et al, most especially chet.

May 11, 2011 at 3:06 p.m.
limric said...


In tody’s “Oh, the irony”, OR “Hey,guys, you know we weren't serious right?” OR “That's some mighty fine personal responsibility they have” Category I give you:

GOP freshman are so embarrassed about voting for Paul Ryan's budget they actually wrote a letter to President Obama asking him to make Democrats stop criticizing them for voting to end Medicare (

**Dear President Obama,

We know we said you were an Un-American traitor who was born in Kenya and you wanted to murder old people, and we called your wife fat, and we said that you were in league with terrorists, but we'd really appreciate it if you stopped the DNC from running adds about our voting record. It's simply unfair to hold us accountable for our actions, when our words make us look so much better.*

Love, THE GOP*

It's as if Republicans hit Democrats with a baseball bat, over and over again, for about a year. Now that Dems, bloodied and bruised, have managed to get their hands on a bat, they're hearing baby Republicans cry, "Let's all agree that hitting people with bats is wrong.

May 11, 2011 at 3:07 p.m.
chet123 said...

When politicain and preacher address this issue...they misuse young children...who dont know never shove you pray in someone face if they dont want to hear it...this is not the teaching of christ...

May 11, 2011 at 3:09 p.m.
canarysong said...


9000ft elevation near the Continental Divide (in Colorado); we always get a couple of snowfalls in May. Two days ago it was 85 degrees in Denver. My flowers are starting to peek out up here, but there are still deep drifts of snow in the woods.

May 11, 2011 at 3:12 p.m.
chet123 said...

by forcing your prayer on someone you NEGATE your good intent.prayer should always be sincere and must always be in a CHRIST-LIKE spirit and not just a ritual(just saying word)..if there's no connection with the creator then it is only vanity

May 11, 2011 at 3:13 p.m.


said "See what you leftists have done to this country? obama has screwed things up so bad that Mexico is a better place to live than the US and all of the immigrants are going home. Thanks a lot!"

This is an interesting statement..

First, I know 10 people in academia who left the US to Europe within the last three years. All liberals, all pissed by Bush policies. Pissed that BUSH f...ed the country up. Not the marxist-muslim-antichrist in the white house !!!

Conservatives, if you want to want to leave the US. Where do you want to live?? Which country is equally conservative on social issues as the south??

I could suggest Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, oops, wrong religion, but you cannot have everything

In case you cannot adapt praying to another invisible father-figure, the only place left, as you said already, MExico..

The US would get a far better place if you morons leave the country.. just dont come to Europe... we kicked you out centuries ago, and dont want you back...

May 11, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Canary, that is terrible. I hate winter. But I would love to see Colorado someday. I am sure it is even more beautiful in person than in pics or videos.

May 11, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

Ronado..i'm only holding my peace because i made a promise to canarysong....she is a very good i'm telling you ..DONT PUSH ME BUSTER!

May 11, 2011 at 3:24 p.m.
chet123 said...

see you later ..canary!

May 11, 2011 at 3:25 p.m.
potcat said...

canarysong, eight inches of snow,"WOW.". It might get to 90 today. I started early this AM working in my garden. I got my tomato, squash, cucumber, cantalope and peppers set out. Tended my flowers and gave the dogs a bath. When they saw me filling the kiddie pool up, they started hiding, to no avail! Cleaned out the birdbath, i'm also a Bird watcher. A blue bird made a nest in the mailbox and the mailman agreed to leaving the mail in a contraption i fixed up. These things make me happy, and i assume, IMMIGRANTS as well.

The reason a bird made a nest in the mailbox, is some kid, took a bat to it, and i don't think it was a Immigrant.

Up the road a ways, we have a Slate Quarry "Rock" and the Mexicans work bundleling this beautiful slate into wire and onto pallets. Its Hard Labor and i'm sure it goes to build beautiful houses and patios for the well to do. I admire these people and they should be appreciated and have the Right to the American Dream, they deserve it.

Sense its Mexicans every one has a bitch about (like no other country comes here illegally)...they are at least a part of our contenent, and American Indian. big looks like you are sleeping with a Mexican to night!...just a different tribe.

May 11, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.
hambone said...

Legal immigrants can't be exploited like illegal immigrants are. Employers can get all the workers they want here on work permits, but they won't because they can't be exploited as easy as illegal immigrants can.

Until the laws on the books that fine and jail employers for hiring illegals are inforced nothing will change.

May 11, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.
tderng said...

aia said:First, I know 10 people in academia who left the US to Europe within the last three years. All liberals.

If they are puffed up,I'm better than you types then good riddance!

May 11, 2011 at 3:42 p.m.
canarysong said...


Luckily I don't think it's terrible; I love Spring and Summer, but I love Winter even more. Do come, you'll love it! Tell me if you are ever headed to CO and we can meet for coffee and argue politics in person ;-)


I just started feeding the birds too last year. It sounds magical outside our house now! I don't know much about bird identification, though. I guess I need to pick up a guide. The Spring arrivals are freaking out a little over the snow, but they know that they can still find a meal here.

I garden, too. Our 'frost date' is June 10th; we don't dare set out anything tender until then. Tomatoes are impossible - season too short and nights too chilly.

May 11, 2011 at 4:01 p.m.
tderng said...

Almost every Latino I have ever met are extremely hard workers!! If they come here legally,WELCOME,if not,go back home and come here the same way my ancestors(on my fathers side) did LEGALLY.On my mothers side well,they were here first.When the Europeans came they did horrible things to the natives.That is in the past,my moms family got over it and continued on with their lives.

On my grandmothers farm when I was growing up there was migrant workers who came in every year and helped her bring in her crops.They were the hardest workers I ever saw.Unfortunately those times are past.There was no scare of terrorists blowing up a city or trains or just killing a bunch of people just for the hell of it.There is a major threat to our country now and it needs to be addressed.Part of that address is that we need to know who is coming into our country.I don't really care about the illegals that are already here,thats a done deal,but we need to get a grasp on our very porous border(s).

May 11, 2011 at 4:06 p.m.

tderg said

"There was no scare of terrorists blowing up a city or trains or just killing a bunch of people just for the hell of it.There is a major threat to our country now and it needs to be addressed"

Southeners get real!!! No terrorist will ever come to the south and blow himself up in some creepy town there, except they crash accidently on their way from NY to LA. THe south is fly-over-land for them...

this threat only exists in your paranoid dreams..

I always found it kind a surreal that the people living in the dangerous cities, NY, CHicago, Frisco, LA, Seattle, voted for Democrats but those in the "saveheavens" of the south and midwest were drawn into fear-mongering by GOP-morons and they fell for no reason...

May 11, 2011 at 4:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

We brag about being a land of laws. We have laws regarding immigration. We should quit jaw boning it to death and either enforce them or change them? Any law that can't be enforced or that is ignored should not be a law. People come here for one of two reasons the primary one is to work so employers have a big role in how well the laws are enforced. The other is to distribute drugs or be a part of some other criminal activity.

If you don't think a_in_a is the most intelligent person posting on this site be assured you no one can match his intellect or insight into any region of any country in the world, just ask him if you don't believe me.

It is too bad all of us can't be so well educated we irritate people so much they only tolerate us and can't possibly like us but that is the price one has to pay for being brilliant. I hope the country can recover from those ten people returning to Europe. It may not be as harmful as the 937 wealthy families moving out of America last year for financial reasons, to protect their wealth. The latter cost us more tax revenue than the exiting Europeans. I am not smart enough to understand why people move from their own country to another then get all upset because the country to which they moved isn't like the one they left. Enlighten me a_in_a how did anyone as intelligent and perceptive as you got duped into moving to some forsaken farmers college for conservative idiots in Alabama? I am sure only a master con artist could do that to you. Should you return try the great Granola state. Better ditch the dollar and bonds if you accumulated any while here, we are going to inflate our way out of debt and that is not good for either of them.

If we are going to model Europe we better adopt similar tax rates which includes a VAT tax in addition to high rates on all income. I have no objection to doing so as long as we stop increasing our debt. I would also support legalizing drugs then regulate and tax them, legalize prostitution then regulate and tax it, legalize gambling then regulate and tax it in addition to establishing a national lottery. Making these activities illegal works about as well as prohibition did which did not work but made a lot of crooks very wealthy.

May 11, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
tderng said...

great post harp!! Couldn't have said it better!!(re:6:45pm)

May 11, 2011 at 6:53 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

rolando said: "Big Ridge -- thanks for the "(insert pointless tirade here)" comment. I will use it often, most probably against lkeith, et al, most especially chet."

Rolando, honey, I am not even a part of this conversation, and you made a fool of yourself in the last one.

May 11, 2011 at 7:16 p.m.
rolando said...

lkeithlu said, "(insert pointless tirade here)".

Thanks, missy.

May 11, 2011 at 8:18 p.m.
Oz said...

Clay...If you don't have a problem with illegal entry. Leave your doors unlocked.

May 11, 2011 at 8:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

That was easy.

May 11, 2011 at 8:47 p.m.
rolando said...

Colorado, ah yes. Absolutely [insert deity of choice]'s country up there. Definitely has a unique beauty. I remember "snow" from Dayton, Ohio...and the San Gabriels. And I was in Los Angeles both times it snowed there -- 50-odd years apart. Closed all roads in and out of the valley...couple-three inches.

Last time I went through Colorado was something like 50 years ago...pre-Interstate, anyway. Drove up through Rabbit Ears the old-fashioned way...via the switchback up the face of the mountain west of Denver. It was a June crossing. My '58 Pontiac didn't like the long climb and the thin air [nor did I] and I had to pull over about 3/4 of the way up. The closest I have come to that 6 or 8,000 foot high view was at Bridal Veil Falls about 3,000 feet straight down to the Yosemite Valley floor.

Also greatly enjoyed the drive west through Grand Junction. [Sure glad to see my ocean in SoCal a day or so later, though. Living out there these days is out of the question but "Surf's Up!" memories burn bright.]

We have a great number of those kinds of roads here in Eastern Tennessee...except ours only climb maybe a thousand feet or so up the face of the bluffs [used to climb that high on foot in SoCal many, many years ago.]

The Great Smoky Mtns here are packed with outstanding motorcycling roads...springtime with the Dogwoods in bloom is breathtaking.

But I digress.

May 11, 2011 at 8:52 p.m.
rolando said...

Indeed, it was. Thank BigRidge.

May 11, 2011 at 8:53 p.m.
canarysong said...


I lived in Tennessee for about ten years. As breath-takingly beautiful as it is here, it still isn't the Smokies. I miss creek-banks thick with moss and ferns. When I close my eyes and visualize paradise, the Smokies is what I see. I remember hiking (part of) the AT to Mt. LeConte and staying at the cabins at the top; I wonder if they are still there.

My time in Tennessee started my lifelong love affair with mountains; I just don't feel right when I'm away from them for very long. It's similar to how you felt about the ocean. I suppose now, however, I would also have a hard time leaving the snow.

Speaking of which.... It looks like we will get a total of about 16 inches by morning. That would be great in the winter when it is light and fluffy, but now it means heavy, wet, back-breaking stuff. Ugh!

BTW, how are those lovely dogwoods coping with the disease/parasite/fungus or whatever has been attacking them in recent years? Losing them would be a tragedy.

May 11, 2011 at 9:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hate to tell you, Canarysong, but almost all of the dogwoods are gone. Over the last few summers the wooly white adelgid has wrought havoc. As it turns out, these prodigious devils are now found in the trunks of every indigenous hardwood in the Southeast. The waste produced in the consumption of these native trees has been declared a Level 7 airborne toxin and there are actually "no-go" zones in certain parts of the Smoky Mountains. This development would mean tragedy for all of the old growth forests in Tennessee if it were true.

May 11, 2011 at 10:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Yes, I'm lying. I know, you weren't even talking to me. I saw some lives for sale at Walmart...I think I'll go get one.

May 11, 2011 at 10:33 p.m.
canarysong said...


You are MEAN!! I was sitting here with with my mouth dropped open and a stricken look on my face. You got me! Just wait..... sometime when you least expect it..... your only warning will be an odd rustling of feathers.............

Wooly white adelgid, indeed.... :-)

May 11, 2011 at 10:52 p.m.
tderng said...

that was cold dude!Actually the fungus thats been killing dogwoods is still around but mostly kills at higher altitudes.Some areas are hit harder than others but there are still beautiful areas left.I only know this because my family planted one in memory of our father and I wanted to know how to take care of it.

May 11, 2011 at 10:57 p.m.
canarysong said...

My condolences, tderng. That was a wonderful way to honor your father.

May 11, 2011 at 11:05 p.m.


" I would also support legalizing drugs then regulate and tax them, legalize prostitution then regulate and tax it, legalize gambling then regulate and tax it in addition to establishing a national lottery."

I actually did not see this coming, but I totally agree with you on that point. This would indeed be a smart move, which would solve several problems at a time.

Just convince the evangelics ...

By the way, my colleagues leaving leaving the country, were not living the south.. mostly northeast or west coast.. they did not even live in Jesus land, but still preferred going back..

May 12, 2011 at 2:36 a.m.
rolando said...

"...your only warning will be an odd rustling of feathers..."

It is amazing how a few words brings up an old, old memory of exactly such a sound I heard while walking home one evening along the edge of a bluff on an Alaskan island. It only lasted maybe five seconds.

A faint sh-h-ushing sound from behind and a majestic eagle cruised along, level with the bluff and riding the updraft. The sound of the wind passing through her feathers was heart-stoppingly awesome. She cruised out of sight without moving a feather. Couldn't have been more than 10-15 feet away at closest with a wingspan of about 6-7 feet. [Probably a "she" due to size.]

They shoot bald eagles hereabouts. Several have been brought down.

May 12, 2011 at 7:36 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

SeaMonkey said: “Nearly 100% of illegal aliens entering our country illegally our southern border are lefties can spin it all you want and label anyone who points out the fact that they're mexican as racists, but then again reality is not your strong suit,”

Believe it is you who is “spinning” and appears to be having some trouble answering a legitimate “reality” question involving our current “wishy-washy” immigration policies, SeaMonkey. Since Cubans and Mexicans are both Hispanic the question can hardly be considered a racist matter as you suggest in your rant.

I suspect your reluctance to discuss this particular immigration issue is due to plain old Republican Tea Party politics along with a favored wealthy Cuban constituency in Miami. Indeed, like it or not, illegal Cuban immigrants have been flocking to the Texas border since the mid-1990s. In 2007, for example, about 11,500 Cubans came into the U.S. at the Texas border. Unlike the illegal immigrants from other Latin/Central American countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, and Mexico, the Cuban immigrants were not deported and qualified automatically to receive for government aid due to our “wishy-washy” immigration politics.

Clearly, there is an urgent need to reform U.S. immigration policies. I’m just hoping there are enough sane politicians in Washington D.C. who can develop something more constructive than a silly wall where the Republican Tea Party types can dress up and play soldier along the Texas, Arizona, California and Mexico borders.

May 12, 2011 at 10 a.m.
Leaf said...

Egads, L4F. No matter how inflammatory and rude you are, I still refuse to visit your blog and add to your revenue stream.

May 12, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
fairmon said...


You know as well as I do the bible oters are not going to be convinced by the logic. Too many Americans think morals can be legislaed including many of our legislators.

My wonderment is what enticed you and the others to move to the U.S.?

May 12, 2011 at 4:50 p.m.
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