published Sunday, September 25th, 2011

Prevailing Trends

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Obviously Obama's fault!

September 25, 2011 at 12:03 a.m.
memphisexile said...

Unfortunately very true Clay.

It will get worse with idiots like Herman Cain promoting things like his 999 plan. 9% income tax and 9% sales tax for everyone. So if you are someone who lives paycheck to paycheck you have an effective tax rate of 18%, on every penny you earn. This would be most poor Americans. For everyone else who saves money, you are only taxed on 9% income and 9% on what you spend, not on what you save or invest.

So if you are poor, ever penny you earn is taxed when you earn it and taxed when you spend it. If you are lucky enough not to be living paycheck to paycheck you get to avoid tax with ever cent you save. Basically you double tax poor people, and encourage everyone else to save or invest to avoid taxes.

Perfect. Punish the poor and allow the rich to get richer. Mr. Cain has provided us a perfect example of the Republican mindset. Crush the poor because they do not have money or political connections, so they don't matter. Cater to those with money by allowing them to avoid taxes when they invest their money. Then suck a few of the poor people back in by appealing to their religious ideals, or by coming up with a catchy campaign slogan that they are too stupid to resist because of their poor public school education.

September 25, 2011 at 12:38 a.m.
memphisexile said...

Duh. Winning?

September 25, 2011 at 12:40 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

The first two headlines get Republicans excited, and they just don't understand the third.

September 25, 2011 at 1:24 a.m.
Momus said...

;)

September 25, 2011 at 4:34 a.m.

Clay nails it again... Great cartoon!!

September 25, 2011 at 5:20 a.m.
EaTn said...

Obviously the top 5% of the population control 95% of the wealth, propaganda media and politicians. What continues to puzzle me is why the remaining 95% who have control at the voting booth continue letting the 5% accumulate more of the power and wealth while pushing more down the economic ladder and some from the middle class into poverty. I don't think it's ignorance, but rather gullibility.

September 25, 2011 at 5:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

memphisexilesaid....

It will get worse with idiots like Herman Cain promoting things like his 999 plan. 9% income tax and 9% sales tax for everyone. So if you are poor, every penny you earn is taxed when you earn it and taxed when you spend it.

You may fall in category three, unable to understand his proposal. Herman Cains plan abolishes all withholding except the 9% which would about equal what is now withheld for social security. His plan abolishes all current tax regulations that give the wealthy and many businesses unnecessary and undeserved deductions and other loop holes. It enables businesses to be more competitive and charge people less for their goods and services and have a predictable future tax cost. The current cost of anything we buy includes about 22.5% in taxes on businesses. His plan would assure those working for cash, those making their money illegally, those that now fail to report income or take shady deductions would benefit less from that and would pay taxes when they spent money. This loss of tax revenue is much larger than the government acknowledges or most people now realize.

Don't worry, the wealthy, most politicians, who are also wealthy, and accounting firms that gain from the current system will team up with the ignorant to prevent this or a similar plan from ever happening. It would cause the wealthy to pay significantly more taxes than they now pay and it will reduce the politicians ability to manipulate the tax system to show favor to their supporters and punish others.

It would not abolish the IRS but change their role to assuring those that were to collect and report sales tax did so and that businesses and individuals reported all income. Not perfect but a hell of a lot better than the current 11 million words of wealthy favoring regulations.

September 25, 2011 at 5:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn....

Good point. It may be ignorant leadership of a gullible and naive voting public. It is amazing how so many regurgitate what others say and tell them to believe which is a lot easier than trying to understand and reach a conclusion on their own. It has happened throughout history and brought about the collapse of every empire. Americans are no different than those sheep led to slaughter by egotistical leaders in history.

The constitution is ignored, the balance resulting from state sovereignty no longer exist as people demand that we move more and more to centralized planning and control with a government so huge that it is not manageable. The power brokers of both parties in Washington love it. You can't have an America that is like a country with less than 10 million people.

September 25, 2011 at 6:01 a.m.
woody said...

How about a fourth headline to 'bring it all together'??

"The more things change, the more they stay the same."..Woody

September 25, 2011 at 7:07 a.m.
EaTn said...

It's around 7am--most of the comments so far have been from "lazy" libs. The "go getter" cons will be rolling out of bed sometime this morning to make their counter comments

September 25, 2011 at 7:10 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Lots of material out there with Lightsquared, Fast and Furious, Solyundra and others....but we know Bennett is a one trick pony.

Memphis described Herman Cain as an idiot who was promoting his 999 plan. How about the "idiots" like FDR who wanted to confiscate all income over 25K? Creating a tax code that is punitive for higher earners does no one any good.

September 25, 2011 at 8 a.m.
woody said...

Excuse me..Patriot1..but when you speak of "one-trick ponies" you must be speaking of our, if nothing else, consistent and persistent conservative friends(?) around here.

And if I may, with the appropriate apology, I would like to amend my earlier post, so as to read, "The more things don't change, the more they stay the same."..lol..Woody

September 25, 2011 at 8:10 a.m.
moon4kat said...

patriot1 -- It's not patriotic to make up false statements to support your political biases. FDR never tried confiscating income over $25K. (He did try to outlaw the hoarding of gold bullion during the Depression; but that's quite another thing entirely.)

September 25, 2011 at 8:12 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

DUMB GETTING DUMBER, INDEED, AND IN 2012, THEY WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA AGAIN.

September 25, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
rolando said...

Eatn said, I don't think it's ignorance, but rather gullibility.

Good one. More than a little of both, methinks.

They have been living on Free Lunch so long they now believe it is theirs by right...and vote accordingly.

September 25, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

From the poor and greedy to the rich and greedy....

If you are a business owner or CEO and you want to make a good profit for your risk and hard work or you want to attract investors you are just greedy and don't have a heart. If you invest in a business that pays dividends that are paid to you from profits after taxes are paid on those profits and you object to paying taxes on those profits again when you get your share you are just greedy and heartless.

Why not eliminate all personal income taxes, eliminate all business tax loop holes, deductions for discretionary spending, grants, subsidies or other money from the government treasury and require businesses to pay enough to meet all federal government expenses without the government borrowing money? I wonder if those businesses would object to the congress shoe shine service at a cost of over $200,000 per year? Or, would they question the congressional barber shop at a similar cost? What about the gift shop with a manager paid over $200,000 a year? What about extensive travel expenses? Would they question the disparity between private sector and public sector compensation for like work? Would they be objecting to the waste and fraud in government? How many would be able to compete in the world market and need people to work in their business? How many would seek to grow or build and produce in the U.S.?

September 25, 2011 at 8:44 a.m.
ooltewahvol said...

Every exit poll completed after the 2010 election shows there is a 100% correlation between being poor and stupid and voting Democrat.

Keep buying your cigarettes and lottery tickets and voting Democrat.

September 25, 2011 at 8:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why do some members of congress think a balanced budget and reducing the the debt over the next ten years is critical while others see no problem with doubling the debt during that same time frame? How can supposedly reasonably intelligent people looking at the same facts reach such different conclusions? They all scream at the top of their voice how they care about the country and have no personal agenda, who is one to believe? What would be wrong with an agenda that resulted in the rich getting richer the poor getting richer and the dumb getting smarter? Of course the dumber would first have to realize that success often runs around in a disguise called hard work. Of course it may depend on luck, since after all, our president blames a lot of our economic woes on a streak of "bad luck" but he and other leaders have a strategy called "hope" which is similar to we need a "miracle" or waiting to win the lottery before doing anything about the situation.

September 25, 2011 at 9:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

It is eavy to be liberal with other peoples money. Would those advocating increasing the tax rate on a few that pay the mjority of all income tax now by 15% would you be receptive to paying 3% more or giving up the zero rate and paying 3%?

September 25, 2011 at 9:05 a.m.
jesse said...

if obama gets a second term THEN we will know the the truth of the third headline!

fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me!!

September 25, 2011 at 9:06 a.m.
patriot1 said...

moonkat....not made up...Roosovelt said in a speech April 1942 that "no American, after he has paid his taxes, should have a net income of more than $25,000" This class envy is exactly what FDR exploited and Obama is using the same playbook.....this class warfare is not governing it's campaigning

September 25, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

EaTn said: “What continues to puzzle me is why the remaining 95% who have control at the voting booth continue letting the 5% accumulate more of the power and wealth while pushing more down the economic ladder and some from the middle class into poverty. I don't think it's ignorance, but rather gullibility.”

Indeed, EaTn. Whatever the reason, it’s unsettling. I note the corporate sector has recognized what is happening to the middle class, and is beginning to tailor their product lines more toward either the rich or the poor – either a luxury or a bargain:

“As the American economy struggles to shake off a torpor that threatens to drag the country back into recession, the gap continues to grow between the nation's richest citizens and everybody else.

. . . Some statistics make clear the size of America's affluence disparity: As of 2010, the richest 20 percent of the U.S. population control 84 percent of the wealth. And the 400 richest Americans have a higher net worth than the full bottom 50 percent of households.

As the wealthy continue to accrue capital -- helped by policies like a low tax on profits from stock and real estate sales -- and the less well-off classes try to make do in a pitiless economic climate, corporations appear to be finally recognizing the reality of the prosperity gap, and tailoring their product lines accordingly. Manufacturers like Procter & Gamble, the household-goods giant responsible for everything from Charmin and Old Spice to Tide, are concentrating their efforts on luxury and bargain items, putting less emphasis on products aimed at the middle class, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The erosion of middle-market product lines reflects a trend where economic pressures are making it increasingly harder for Americans to maintain a traditional middle-class existence. . . .

While corporations aiming for high- and low-end consumers at the expense of middle-class earners appears to be a new development, the income gap has been growing in America for at least three decades. While wages and productivity rose in tandem during the 1950s, '60s and '70s, they become decoupled in about 1980, as productivity continued to climb while wages slumped and then recovered only modestly. And the gap between rich and poor grew more pronounced during the late-2000s recession, according to Timothy Noah at Slate, due to a jump in the poverty rate that was the highest in over a decade.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/income-inequality_n_958472.html

September 25, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.
MTJohn said...

A minor variation of this cartoon also would have defined 1929 Germany.

September 25, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
Publius said...

patriot1 – You’re right, it was warfare that FDR was perpetuating, a world war actually. FDR wasn’t proposing a permanent, punitive limit on the earnings of the “productive class.” The whole quote from Roosevelt’s speech is:

“At the same time, while the number of individual Americans affected is small, discrepancies between low personal incomes and very high personal incomes should be lessened; and I therefore believe that in time of this grave national danger, when all excess income should go to win the war, no American citizen ought to have a net income, after he has paid his taxes, of more than $25,000 a year. It is indefensible that those who enjoy large incomes from State and local securities should be immune from taxation while we are at war.”

What a novel idea – paying for a war that we were fighting.

Roosevelt also notes that:

“The price paid for carrying on the war by the Government and, therefore, by the people, will increase by many billions if prices go up. Furthermore, there is an old and true saying that that which goes up must always come down-and you and I know the hardships and heartaches we all went through in the bad years after the last war, when Americans were losing their homes and their farms and their savings and were looking in vain for jobs.”

Sound familiar?

September 25, 2011 at 10:23 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This cartoon is a fine example of how the tone is set for this forum. If you do not share the political philosophy of Bennett and his fans you are labeled as "dumb". How deep! How thoughtful! It is then no surprise to anyone that thoughtless name calling dominates here.

As far as the topic of the cartoon goes, Bennett’s timing is embarrassingly off target. The entire conservative community is talking about Perry’s lack of performance in the Florida debate, how his entrance bump was very short lived, and how Cain dominated the Florida Straw Poll.

Note that it takes a different standard of intelligence to rally the ‘progressive’ base, “Take off your bedroom slippers! Put on your marching shoes! Take it off! Stop complainin’! Stop grumblin’! Stop cryin’! We’re going to press on! We’ve got work to do…!” Our president is a bad joke.

September 25, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Only in the mind of our “dumb” media is Perry support spiraling upward and Romney and Perry are the clear front runners. The media seems to actively ignore any news about the rest of the field and tries to keep the chosen two in the spotlight. Did anyone notice how questions to Romney and Perry in the last debate seemed to beg for exchanges between the two? By the debate rules this gave them both more time to talk and hog time away from the other debaters.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/17/congressman-ron-paul-wins-2011-california-straw-poll/?intcmp=obinsite

September 25, 2011 at 11:37 a.m.
Lightnup said...

Obviously, Memphis has no clue about what's in Cain's 999 proposal.

September 25, 2011 at 11:38 a.m.
Lightnup said...

The rich keep getting richer because they keep making the right decisions that made them rich...education, initiative, hard work, savings, investing. The poor keep getting poorer because they keep making the dumb decisions that made them poor....dropping out of school, spending their paychecks on tattoos, piercings and smokes, relying on govt. for their income, downloading babies like rabbits. Any other explanation is just class warfare.

September 25, 2011 at 11:46 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Memphisbelle, BO is an idiot! "we're the country that built the intercontintental railroad" This forum is a joke. It's about diverting attention away from the worst president this country has ever had. Clay Bennett is nothing more than a creepy foot soldier in BO's propaganda army. What's BO doing now? He's trying to rally black Americans as if they have no idea how much worse off they are under him! I think he thinks black Americans are just stupid and will automatically help him get reelected because he's black. What a snake!

September 25, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.
jesse said...

thanks lightnup!

maybe the most coherent post i've seen on this mess!

September 25, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
EaTn said...

Part of the propaganda being spewed by the 5% wealthy is that their intelligence and hard work justifies their wealth, power and tax status. What this also implies is that the other 95% of the population is not very intelligent and don't work hard enough. Obviously a large portion of the 95% have been gullible enough to agree with this despicable reasoning.

September 25, 2011 at 12:03 p.m.
acerigger said...

Not everyone is dumb/dumber, there are TRUE patriots trying to call attention to how the American people have been,and are being robbed.Go have a look at what Democracy looks like, www.occupywallstreet.com, or www.global revolution.org. Live-stream on now!

September 25, 2011 at 1:04 p.m.
yaffay said...

One of your best, Clay.

September 25, 2011 at 1:11 p.m.

MTJohn,

Great remark, but these dumb teabaggers would never understand that. It is always a great pleasure to show my collegues the comments of the conservatives as a proof of infinite stupidity....

September 25, 2011 at 1:14 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Lightnup said: “The rich keep getting richer because they keep making the right decisions that made them rich. . . The poor keep getting poorer because they keep making the dumb decisions that made them poor. . . Any other explanation is just class warfare.”

And the assorted tax gifts and special tax code arrangements produced by our self serving politicians to accommodate the prosperous, Lightnup? Clearly, such gifts and cunning arrangements have played an important part in crafting the economic gap between the rich, the poor, and middle class. Indeed, it is why a billionaire like Warren Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary? Needless to say, our political artisans have also crafted special tax gifts and arrangements for our prosperous corporate sector as well. In many cases, the tax “loophole” gifts to the corporate sector are so extravagant that they hardly pay taxes at all:

“The Carnival Corporation wouldn’t have much of a business without help from various branches of the government. The United States Coast Guard keeps the seas safe for Carnival’s cruise ships. Customs officers make it possible for Carnival cruises to travel to other countries. State and local governments have built roads and bridges leading up to the ports where Carnival’s ships dock.

But Carnival’s biggest government benefit of all may be the price it pays for many of those services. Over the last five years, the company has paid total corporate taxes — federal, state, local and foreign — equal to only 1.1 percent of its cumulative $11.3 billion in profits. Thanks to an obscure loophole in the tax code, Carnival can legally avoid most taxes.

Over the last five years . . . Boeing paid a total tax rate of just 4.5 percent, according to Capital IQ. Southwest Airlines paid 6.3 percent. And the list goes on: Yahoo paid 7 percent; Prudential Financial, 7.6 percent; General Electric, 14.3 percent. . .

Economists have long pleaded for an overhaul of the corporate tax code, and both President Obama and Republicans now say they favor one, too. But it won’t be easy. Companies that use loopholes to avoid taxes don’t mind the current system, of course, and they have more than a few lobbyists at their disposal.

The official position of the Business Roundtable, one of the most important corporate lobbying groups, is telling. The Roundtable says it supports corporate tax reform. But it actually favors only a reduction in the tax rate. The group refuses to say whether it also favors a reduction of loopholes. In effect, the Roundtable wants a tax cut for its members regardless of how much the tax code is simplified — or whether the budget deficit grows."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/business/economy/02leonhardt.html?_r=1&ref=davidleonhardt

September 25, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.
Legend said...

Americans hear, but they don't *listen very well.

What did these powerful individuals mean when they said what they said?:

(I.) "Why wait for armageddon when you can make it happen?"-Rumsfeld

(II.) "I had so much hope for this country." --With tears in her eyes, Hilary Clinton after Obama was elected in the primaries

(III.) "I don't want two Americas. One black. One white."-President Bill Clinton.

(IV.) "Are you ready to take back America?" To which the answer was no! "We need at least another 100 years."--The powerful AKA money asked one of the five civilized native american indian tribes, and their response.

(V.) "Would Americans ever be willing to leave America in droves?"---A hypothetical question put forth.unknown

(VI.) *"Of course it's a budget! It's got numbers in it!"-Bush Jr.

When you learn the answers to at least 5 out of 6 of the above, then you'll know the direction some are purposely trying to take the country and why. You'll know exactly where America is headed, purposely being led actually. Who's trying to *divide it, and who(pl form) is behind trying to purposely bring about the country's downfall.

Good Day/GOD Bless!!

September 25, 2011 at 1:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

mntl post from the Huffington Post said....

The wealthy continue to accrue capital -- helped by policies like a low tax on profits from stock and real estate sales -- and the less well-off classes try to make do in a pitiless economic climate.

This indicates that those believing this to be the cause would support changing the tax code to allow those businesses paying dividends to pay taxes on their profits after paying dividends to their share holders instead of paying dividends after taxes. And requiring dividends to be treated as normal income by those receiving them. That actually makes sense and helps the working class that own those stocks in a 401K that pay on withdrawals at a normal income rate including dividends earned by stocks in their 401K. This suggest anyone realizing a capital gain regardless of the source pay taxes on that gain at a normal income rate.

The article also suggest tax rates be the same as they were in the 1950's which means everyone would pay more which also makes sense with the country in 21/2 wars and a debt that could result in default or if allowed to continue growing require an amount nearly equal to all current revenue just to pay the interest on the debt. Increasing taxes on the 5% to proposed levels only delays doubling the debt by approximately two years if proposed spending is also allowed.

September 25, 2011 at 1:39 p.m.
fairmon said...

Herman Cains proposal actually makes more sense than any proposed to date. He eliminates all business tax loop holes and accommodations. He eliminates the issue of capital gains and all the special conditions and favors of the 11 million word tax codes. However, any attempt to implement it would create a nuclear noise from congress, the wealthy, the lobbyist and those favored businesses. Watch for him to be attacked viciously if he ever appears to be getting any traction in his campaign.

September 25, 2011 at 1:49 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339,

Please not the quotes that I provided were from a NYT's article not Huffington Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/business/economy/02leonhardt.html?_r=1&ref=davidleonhardt

September 25, 2011 at 1:49 p.m.
onetinsoldier said...

I like the class warfare comments, it is their ultimate fear, and why they are such strong supporters of the military and police. These are the only things that keeps them safe from those they use as fodder for personal gain. A gated community could quickly become a prison and then a cemetary when class warfare really errupts. The crowds outside the gates will show the same compassion that those inside the gates are showing now.

Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of Heaven, You can justify it in the end. There won't be any trumpets blowing Come the judgement day, On the bloody morning after.... One tin soldier rides away

September 25, 2011 at 2:30 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

ArnoldZiffel said: “Clay Bennett is nothing more than a creepy foot soldier in BO's propaganda army.”

No, Arnold, I think you’re the guy who is peddling the propaganda. Like it or not Bennett’s cartoon is just reflecting economic reality in the U.S. The evidence is all around us, but you will need to open your eyes to see it:

“REUTERS - Tax and accounting loopholes that largely benefit rich taxpayers and companies cost the government $20 billion a year even as the pay gap between chief executives and employees has widened. . .

The biggest loss comes from a "stock option accounting double standard" that allows corporations paying executives stock options to deduct more than their actual expenses. . .

For example, when UnitedHealth Group Inc paid CEO William McGuire 9 million stock options, it put on its financial statement that the compensation cost the company nothing, according to the Institute for Policy Studies and the group United for a Fair Economy.

But it claimed a tax deduction of $317.7 million . . .

That practice alone costs the U.S. government $10 billion a year. . ."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/25/us-usa-tax-loopholes-idUSN2235030820080825

September 25, 2011 at 2:31 p.m.
MTJohn said...

austrian_in_alabama said...Great remark, but these dumb teabaggers would never understand that.

One thing is pretty obvious. Arrogant ignorance and vulnerability to well-crafted half-truths are attributes shared by many. Every society has the capacity spawn a world-class monster if that monster is adept at pandering to those who lack the capacity to understand that their selfish interests can only be served by a government that well serves the collective interests of all citizens.

September 25, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
carlB said...

Were any of the Past Democratic Presidents perfect in carrying out their duties or in their private lives? NO, they were not, but how would you judge them for trying to do what was the best for this Republic after they were in the office of the Presidency as compared to the “imperfect” Republican Presidents? This is the question we should ask before voting. Incase you are not aware of how the Republicans use the tactic of dividing the voters by using divisiveness and misinformation to turn the people against each other. Just watch and listen to find out which group of people or individuals they want us to hate and dislike so they can maintain control or get back in control, regardless of the good or bad for this Republic. Look at what is happening now, it appears that President Obama is getting the blame for not "fixing" all of the unfinished crisis issues that the Republicans created and were not able to "fix." Now, as everybody should be aware of the Republicans are open "bragging" about preventing/stopping Obama from succeeding in anything he does to "fix" the unemployment conditions.
It will take the spending of money to get the production and infrastructure jobs increased. What has to happen before the private enterprise sectors start back investing and opening their closed planta here without the tax payers having to give out the subsidies and incentives to them? There is not any doubt that Clay's drawing tells the truth about the present conditions and the Republicans want it worse than it already is.

September 25, 2011 at 3:31 p.m.
Selah said...

EaTn...you couldn't have said it any better. Enough said!!!

September 25, 2011 at 3:54 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

BO is a boob. The burden to prove that he isn't one is on you leftists now. Perry is a sadist, Bachman is dumb, Romney is clueless, Cain has no resume, Palin is stupid, we know the drill on here. I say there's no evidence that BO is worth a damn and certainly not worth giving a second term to. PROVE that BO is brilliant, prove that he knows what he's doing, prove that what he's doing is working. PROVE IT! Calling the Republicans dumb while we're in the midst of being "lead" by a clueless clown makes you all out to be pretty silly looking. As far as Bennett goes, his only function seems to be to put down Republicans and take attention away from BO. BO and Bennett are proof that a pulitzer and a noble peace prize don't mean a whole hell of a lot. It's just leftists rewarding leftists.

September 25, 2011 at 4:27 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Maybe there is a relationship between these....hmmmm, could be.. Bennett may have something here, as my grandfather used to say "Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn every now and then"

www. mymoneyblog.com/unemployment-rates-vs-level-of-education

Sometimes the helping hand you seek is out there on the end of your own arm.

September 25, 2011 at 4:45 p.m.
EaTn said...

ArnoldZiffel...per your argument, which I can't strongly object to, that neither the Democrats, Republicans nor Tea Party have anyone capable or willing to lead this pack of dogs called Congress in this partisan country. Where does that leave us? Choosing the best of the worst doesn't seem like a winning situation.

September 25, 2011 at 5:14 p.m.
Legend said...

Incase you are not aware of how the Republicans use the tactic of dividing the voters by using divisiveness and misinformation to turn the people against each other. Just watch and listen to find out which group of people or individuals they want us to hate and dislike so they can maintain control or get back in control, regardless of the good or bad for this Republic. Look at what is happening now, it appears that President Obama is getting the blame for not "fixing" all of the unfinished crisis issues that the Republicans created and were not able to "fix." Now, as everybody should be aware of the Republicans are open "bragging" about preventing/stopping Obama from succeeding in anything he does to "fix" the unemployment conditions.

The real Americans and true Republicans should take heed to what CarlB is trying to tell you. President Lincoln would be disgusted with what today's Republican Party divisive tactics. Not only do they want President Obama to fail and fail miserably, they're bad mouthing him in other countries, and blaming all the ills of America and the world on him. Even in his father's native country of Kenya, they're trying to turn Kenyans against America's first black president. Nothing happens by chance. This was a well planned and thoughtout strategy. Not even the fact that a black president with a Muslim sounding name getting elected to the White House. Someone(s) decided to manipulate history and how history will read fifty, one-hundred years from now, when we're all dead and gone.

Fifty to a hundred years from now, history will have written that a fellow Muslim(which he is not) and a black one at that brought down the middle and destroyed the world's economy.

September 25, 2011 at 5:19 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

I never wrote that a Republican or Tea Party person isn't capable of being president. My point is that BO is garbage and should not be reelected. I'm proud to say I'm one of those who wantED BO to fail in his attempt to turn this country into whatever wierd vision he has of it. Unfortunately he has succeeded in creating one hell of a mess. Legend, America's first black president is a disaster. You have to deal with that. He isn't a disaster because he's black, he's a disaster because he's an idealogical idiot.

September 25, 2011 at 7 p.m.
fairmon said...

That practice alone costs the U.S. government $10 billion a year. . ."

How can it cost the government anything? They didn't have the money so it can't be a government cost. Apparently the source you are using doesn't understand stock options very well. The company is granting an employee the option to purchase company stock at a certain price within a specified future time frame. The company owns the stock so granting the oprion cost them nothing but will cost them when the employee exercises the option to buy the stock. This is the way most companies put a high percent of managements compensation at risk. If the stock value drops below the grant price the CEO gets nothing. How would you propose taxing the option transaction? When or if the CEO exercises the option and realizes a profit the CEO is taxed as regular income.

I simply don't agree that all successful and profitable businesses are managed by greedy crooks. I rather trust most CEOs I am familiar with than any politician I have seen in action.

September 25, 2011 at 7:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

legend...

The republicans don't have to do much to beat Obama. He is doing a good job on his own. His proposals are temporary and haven't worked in the past, won't work now or in the future. The Republicans are stupid if being elected is their objective and they don't approve every proposal he had made thus far...Why does neither party look for ways to make the poor wealthier instead of making the wealthy poorer? At some point that has a diminishing return.

I am glad mntl isn't the lone decision maker. I am sure once she thought I had enough to live on she would confiscate the rest and give everyone else an amount equal to what I was allowed to keep. A business owner making a big profit would have hell to pay with her way. School drop outs would have no consequences and share in the success of the scholars that pursued success.

September 25, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
MTJohn said...

ArnoldZiffel said...I'm proud to say I'm one of those who wantED BO to fail in his attempt to turn this country into whatever wierd vision he has of it. Unfortunately he has succeeded in creating one hell of a mess.

Arnold - you might fairly claim that the President has failed to clean up the mess that he inherited. Thinking objectively you can't identify one specific thing that he has done to make the country worse today than it was three years ago. Moreover, he had a lot of help from Republican congressionals in his failure to make improvements. Too many people in this country - you, included - are willing to sacrifice the future of this country for the purpose of ensuring that the President serves only one term.

September 25, 2011 at 8:06 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Governor Perry will be moot when New Jersey Governor Chris Christie steps into the race. It will be all over for the other candidates.

September 25, 2011 at 8:26 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

MTJohn, you have to be kidding! It isn't about making sure BO only serves one term, it's about getting someone in there who is competant. The stimulus and Obamacare have only made things worse. The problems with Obamacare have only started to be seen. He may have inherited a tough situation, but instead of doing the prudent thing, the wise thing he was only interested in driving the country to the left no matter how the economy was doing. Spending more and more, which defies all logic. His stimulus plan has proven to be mostly a pork filled mess. This recent scandal with Solyndra is just one example of how he plays fast and loose with taxpayer dollars. He's not a good steward of tax payer dollars. He had his congress in place for two years and the result was horrendous. "we have to pass the bill in order to see what's in it." sums up well his first term. There are tons of legitimate reasons to get BO out of office, and none have to do with just getting him out just to get him out. I would say it's the other way around, you and others are willing to sacrifice the future of this country for the purpose of ensuring that a Democrat serves two terms. BO has done a BAD job on so many levels. That's why he needs to go. If your party can come up with someone better, fine with me. Democrat, Republican, Tea Partier, whatever, but BO needs go retire and play golf. Instead of uniting he's obviously only interested in getting reelected by dividing. He's negative!

September 25, 2011 at 8:49 p.m.
carlB said...

ArnoldZiffel said... MTJohn, you have to be kidding! It isn't about making sure BO only serves one term, it's about getting someone in there who is competant. Reply to ArnoldZiffel: ArnoldZiffel, in my opinion with the negative judgment you show against President Obama, and with what the last administration did, how would you know "competant" if you had it right under your nose?

September 25, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.
Lightnup said...

MountainLaurel, you don't really buy that complete lie about Buffett paying lower taxes than his secretary, do you? That's exactly what Obama thinks will get him re-elected; the abject stupidity of the American public who hear nonsense like that and then repeat it. Buffet's "supposed" secretary would be paying INCOME tax, Buffet pays DIVIDEND tax. Different animals. Perhaps Warren should tell his bevy of tax lawyers to stop fighting the IRS over his unpaid taxes. Ooops, awkward.

And every one of those "green" tax credits for otherwise non-viable so-called "alternative energy" companies that Obama proposes is a loophole, just like the ones he rails against in his class warfare campaign speeches.

September 25, 2011 at 9:57 p.m.
carlB said...

Legend said...

Someone(s) decided to manipulate history and how history will read fifty, one-hundred years from now, when we're all dead and gone.

.Fifty to a hundred years from now, history will have written that a fellow Muslim(which he is not) and a black one at that brought down the middle and destroyed the world's economy. .

Reply to. Legend : What do you bet, there will be two different sets of History books written. The eight years of the Cheney/Bush W. are already trying to be rewritten and now the Anti Obama people are trying to make their own history by destroying this Republic by causing another great depression

September 25, 2011 at 10:40 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “I am glad mntl isn't the lone decision maker. I am sure once she thought I had enough to live on she would confiscate the rest and give everyone else an amount equal to what I was allowed to keep.”

And I’m just as glad that you aren’t the lone decision maker, Harp3339. I say this for a variety reasons, including your vivid imagination when it comes to judging and predicting the behavior of those who do not share your political views.

Harp3339 said: “A business owner making a big profit would have hell to pay with her way.”

I think profits are great, Harp3339. But I also think bankers, executives, investors, business owners and corporations need to pay their fair share of taxes. Clearly, they benefit from our nation’s infrastructure as much as anyone else – perhaps, even more so. Indeed, where would corporations like Carnival Cruises be without help from the various branches of our government? As the NYT’s article that I posted earlier points out, the “United States Coast Guard keeps the seas safe for Carnival’s cruise ships. Customs officers make it possible for Carnival cruises to travel to other countries. State and local governments have built roads and bridges leading up to the ports where Carnival’s ships dock."

September 25, 2011 at 10:43 p.m.
tderng said...

mntl...I keep hearing from the left that they want the rich to pay their "fair share" but I never hear what their "fair share" is.What percent of their income is their "fair share"?

September 25, 2011 at 11:13 p.m.
Lightnup said...

Tderng, good luck getting an answer from a liberal on that one. No matter what a wealthy person pays, it will never be enough to satisfy the share-the-wealth crowd. They think it ALL should be the government's money to dole out to others, not the earner's money to retain.

September 25, 2011 at 11:29 p.m.
Lightnup said...

By the way, FairTax is hands down the best answer out there. But it takes so much power out of politician's hands that we won't see that kind of reform in our lifetime.

September 25, 2011 at 11:38 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tderng said...

mntl...I keep hearing from the left that they want the rich to pay their "fair share" but I never hear what their "fair share" is.What percent of their income is their "fair share"?

tderng - "fair" is defined in terms of proportionality, not percentages. Virtually everything that our government does, directly or indirectly, is make it possible for our free-market (greedy-market) economy to function. The taxes that a person pays to support our government ought to be proportional to the benefits that one receives from government services. Wealth is one reliable indicator of benefits received.

By the way, the folks who first proposed a progressive income tax structure understood that principle very well. They happened to be the nation's wealthiest people. They also understood - and this is probably the real reason that they proposed a progressive tax - that they were financially ahead paying more in taxes in exchange for a relatively stable society. Revolution would put them and their money in jeopardy.

Today's wealthy folks either failed to learn that lesson. It's either that or they do not care about a long-term, sustainable United States because they can off-shore their wealth and outsource jobs.

September 25, 2011 at 11:38 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn...

That is a political non-answer to what is their "fair share". Would a user pays system work better. Those making over what some view as wealthy ($250,000) or more pay local, state and federal taxes at around 55%. Is that a fair share or should it be more? What about a principle of user pays...national park visitors pay a fee sufficient to support the park. Make all federal highways a toll road. Make all federal resources a user pays system with those benefiting paying for the service if they use or ask for it.

I have no problem, in fact support, abolishing all deductions, reductions, grants, subsidies, earned income credits and other tools of manipulation and establishing a fixed after tax rate on all income for anyone with an income. The lowest may be 1-2% with a graduated scale up to whatever the tax and spend elite decides. But anyone with an income should pay some tax. Capital gains taxed as ordinary income is fine with me if the favor showing wealthy lawyers in congress was willing to do that.

The fair tax proposal H.R. 25 is the best option with Herman Cain's 9-9-9 being a good choice also. Who is so naive to think any taxes a business pays isn't included in the cost of the goods or services they provide.

September 26, 2011 at 12:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

mntl said....

I think profits are great, Harp3339. But I also think bankers, executives, investors, business owners and corporations need to pay their fair share of taxes. What would their fair share be? Why not insist congress abolish all deductions, reductions, grants, subsidies, and other tax exceptions including taxes on capital gains and adjust the rates accordingly with everyone paying some taxes since you tie the need to pay a fair share based on benefiting from government services.

I agree Cruise Lines are useless service operation that adds no wealth to the economy and their loss would mean little to nothing to anyone other than those that like to pretend they are wealthy and take cruises. They are like many useless discretionary spending service operations that extract some wealth from each dollar they process adding nothing of value to the economy. Most cruise lines are not registered as a U.S. business and employ no U.S. citizens. Being listed on the stock exchange and filing a financial report with the SEC doesn't necessarily mean they are an American business subject to U.S taxes. Do you know of any business you think pays their fair share or do you just grab any NY times article slamming a particular situation? How did Carnival avoid paying their "fair share"? I assume you or the kid writing the article have no objection to deducting and amortizing the cost of a new ship? What other deductions or cost did Carnival include you would consider not appropriate?

September 26, 2011 at 1:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

mntl ask....

where would corporations like Carnival Cruises be without help from the various branches of our government?

I agree, service industries catering to discretionary or non essential services could pay up to fifty cents in taxes per dollar of revenue for their services. I could care less if there were no cruise lines. Higher taxes would make cruising more expensive since the cruisers would be paying it just like consumers pay any taxes or other legislatively imposed cost to business which is included in the cost of all goods and services produced or provided. Think about it, which income category is most affected by those cost?

September 26, 2011 at 1:27 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said...That is a political non-answer to what is their "fair share". Would a user pays system work better.

Harp - I find it strange that you suggest that what I said was a "political non-answer" and then offered a way to implement it. A user pay system would be considerably more fair than what we have now. And, by the way, if it really were pegged to every government service, the wealthy would pay a greater share than they do now because they use more government services. However, a user pay tax system would be very cumbersome. Therefore, I would advocate a simplified - very simplified - tax structure, with tax rates based on an understanding of proportionality. And, on that basis, the tax structure would be progressive because the wealthy use more government services.

September 26, 2011 at 7:08 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Oh, yeah, Carl. That's the way it is. BO is astoundly incompetant. He's purely partisan and very much in it for himself. Pointing out how incompetant Bush was does not make BO more competant. He's very much proving to be corrupt (solyndra) in addition to having no real answers to the problems that he and pelosi made much worse in their attempt to jam hard, extreme socialism down our throats. Constantly ridiculing the Republican candidates does not make BO appear more competant. Bush spent like BO in his second term, so what's the beef with you leftists? Restraint was called for after Bush's 2nd term, instead BO spent like someone who never balanced a checkbook in his life, which I believe he never has. See, Carl, you leftists are hypocrites. BO can do the same things Bush did, but it's ok because he's your guy. It's clear you leftists and Democrats just want BO back because you still haven't gotten over the fact that Bush beat Gore in 2000. You're easy to read. Such bitterness!

September 26, 2011 at 8:57 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Clay Still Floundering.

September 26, 2011 at 9:14 a.m.
MTJohn said...

ArnoldZiffel said...BO is astoundly incompetant. He's purely partisan and very much in it for himself. Pointing out how incompetant Bush was does not make BO more competant.

Arnold - that logic cuts both ways. Pointing out the President's incompetence - especially when you do it with false, incomplete and/or otherwise misleading information - doesn't make any of the current Republican candidates anymore competent. And, in case you hadn't noticed, each of those R-folks, including a few that have yet to announce, is purely partisan and very much in it for her/himself.

September 26, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

So desperate to save this clown, so desperate. Invest your time in something else. Misleading? Every economic reading, anything in- volving our economy is a mess. He and Pelosi's attempt to take us to the extreme left the first two years of his term will have us paying for it decades. Obama needs to be fired, like any incompetant ceo would be. He's done a bad job that's affected everybody. He's a job and business destroyer. The numbers back me up. We'll be rid of him in 2012.

September 26, 2011 at 9:36 a.m.
shifarobe said...

AN JUZT WHAD IZ WROWNG WIT HERRMAN CAINS??? IZ YOU FOKZ SCAYED OVA REEL BLACK MAN??? OL OBAMA AIN'T NOTHIN' BUTTA SNOOOTY, RICH, WHITE BOY IN BLACK FACE!! HE NEVA COMZ DOWN TO DA SOUSIDE WHEN HEE COMZ HOME TO VIZIT!! HE STAYZ UPTOWN WIT ALL DEM RICH WHITE FOLKZ!! HEE AIN'T DOWNS WIT THE STRUUGLE!!!

September 26, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
twharr said...

I miss the good old days when people could post a comment with 2 or 3 sentences. These novels you guys are writing are killing me. Anyhow, good one Clay.

September 26, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.
shifarobe said...

OK, TWHARR. DUMB GETTING DUMBER ARE THOSE WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA THE FIRST TIME, THINK HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB AND PLAN TO VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN. SHORT ENOUGH????

September 26, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
carlB said...

MTJohn said: tderng - "fair" is defined in terms of proportionality, not percentages. Virtually everything that our government does, directly or indirectly, is make it possible for our free-market (greedy-market) economy to function. The taxes that a person pays to support our government ought to be proportional to the benefits that one receives from government services. Wealth is one reliable indicator of benefits received.

Reply to MTJohn: MTJohn, When the "other" deep thinkers on here are against the President nothing else matters to them. When the Republicans agree about the crisis conditions that this Republic was in before President Obama was elected and then all they can say is that "he made it worse" when they are not not really doing anything to help, but what they are doing everything to "hinder" the recovery of the 2007 deep recession thinking the voters are still "dumbed down." When it comes to the tax conditions, I pay my share of required taxes and do not have any "Loop holes" and do not work. What were the changes occurring to cause the loss of our middle class tax payer base while at the same time there was the unfunded cut in taxes by the Bush W. administration without cutting the government spending. In fact, the Bush W. spending increased, more than doubling the National Debt from what it was when Clinton left office.
Did we hear anything about Bush W. borrowing $700 Billion dollars of unfunded money to prevent "the world from falling into a great depression"?
Who is going to pay for the US Government's operating expenses if the people are forced out of their jobs and there are not enough manufacturing jobs here to supply the demand, but we are continuing to have a trade deficit of $600 Billion dollars per year. President Obama is wanting to recreate jobs here but the private sectors are resisting.

September 26, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
limric said...

Last weekend’s rendezvous of America’s super zero’s –the “Republican League of America

Some of the attendee’s:

1) GAME SHOW, aka as Mitt Romney. Power: Speaks many words without saying a thing. Motto:” I will change my mind at any moment.”

2) BRASS BELL, aka Ron Paul. Power: makes sense, until you think about it a bit. Motto: “You’re on your own."

3) INJECTOR, aka Rick Perry. Power: Actions without thought. Motto: “I don’t lose any sleep over it.”

4) FEM FATALE’, aka Michelle Bachmann. Power: Creates zombies with a single glance. Motto: “Brains – I need brains.”

5) SANITORUM, aka Rick Santorum: Offends without trying. Motto: Educating poor women is just wrong.”

6) FORKTONGUE, aka Newt Gingrich. Power: Hiding past under rocks. Motto: “I think I’m smarter than Donald Trump.”

7) INVISIO, aka Gary Johnson. Power: Being unseen & unheard. Motto: “Dogs create shovel-ready jobs.”

America’s Super zero’s: Fighting for ignorance, injustice…and the corporate way.


BigRidgePatriot Quote: “The media seems to actively ignore any news about the rest of the field and tries to keep the chosen two in the spotlight.”

carlB Quote: “Republicans use the tactic of dividing the voters by using divisiveness and misinformation to turn the people against each other.”

Both are astute observations and I agree with both (not that it really matters). If one delves deeper, you’ll realize that a candidate has already been picked. This is all a side show.

September 26, 2011 at 10 a.m.
twharr said...

Thanks for dumbing it down with all caps shifarobe. Maybe you'll start a trend. In the mean time send your lady my way so I can give her a back rub. (3 sentences)

September 26, 2011 at 10:02 a.m.
MTJohn said...

carlB said...President Obama is wanting to recreate jobs here but the private sectors are resisting.

The private sector is not resisting the creation of jobs in the United States. Rather, the private sector refuses to create jobs in which employees receive an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. The private sector refuses to support a public education system that ensures the private sector has access to an educated work force. The private sector prefers to outsource labor, irrespective of the long-term consequences to the health of the American economy. What will happen to the private sector when the American markets can no longer afford to purchase the merchandise that the private sector manufactured in third-world sweatshops?

September 26, 2011 at 10:04 a.m.
lumpy said...

It is tough to sell anyone on Obama for a second term when there's no good news out there. Many on here claim there is, yet I don't see any and many people I know don't either.

I listened to all of the GOP candidates out there and I don't see why any of them couldn't do a better job than Obama. Obama was built up by the media as this brilliant man who would probably be the smartest man to occupy the White House. I haven't seen that.

I like Herman Cain's plan. I think it's sound and he actually has a grasp of economics. It seems to me that Obama is just stumbling around poking his finger in the various holes in the cracks in our economic dam.

I don't like Obama's class warfare approach as he gets near 2012. It's a sign of desperation and immaturity to me. We're all in this together, yet he seems intent on pitting one group against another group.

We absolutely need someone new in charge. He's taking a negative approach, which is the last thing we need in tough times.

September 26, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Do you know of any business you think pays their fair share or do you just grab any NY times article slamming a particular situation?”

I’m beginning to think you are someone who likes to argue for the sake of arguing, Harp3339. In the past, if I failed to provide a specific example and a source in regard to an issue, you demanded to have an example and a source - typically, in a very sarcastic manner. And, now, when I do provide specific examples and a source you complain that I have done so. I guess the bottom line is simply that there is no pleasing you, Harp3339. You’re going to complain no matter what anyone says, which suggests you’re not really interested in resolving issues.

Harp3339 said: “How did Carnival avoid paying their "fair share"? I assume you or the kid writing the article have no objection to deducting and amortizing the cost of a new ship? What other deductions or cost did Carnival include you would consider not appropriate?”

If you had bothered to go to the link that I provided and read the New York Times’s article, you would have learned how the Carnival corporation is able to avoid paying their “fair share” of taxes to the U.S. government. Anyway, according to the NYT’s article:

“Carnival pays so little tax partly because of a provision that lets some shipping companies legally incorporated overseas (Panama, in Carnival’s case) avoid taxes. The fact that Carnival’s executives sit in Miami and or that many passengers board in Baltimore, Los Angeles, Miami, New York and Seattle doesn’t matter. Nor does the fact that Carnival isn’t paying much tax in Panama.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/business/economy/02leonhardt.html?_r=1&ref=davidleonhardt

September 26, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
terrybham said...

Great cartoon. Keep 'em coming.

September 26, 2011 at 11:53 a.m.
dude_abides said...

"How deep! How thoughtful! It is then no surprise to anyone that thoughtless name calling dominates here." ---BRP

"Our president is a bad joke." ---BRP (Same post!)

You are the king of bloviatio!

September 26, 2011 at 12:20 p.m.
EaTn said...

BobMKE said...

"Governor Perry will be moot when New Jersey Governor Chris Christie steps into the race. It will be all over for the other candidates."

Surely Christie wouldn't be the kind of guy to let nine of his fellow right wingers bludgeon each other on national tv, then step in to claim the prize.

September 26, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Why does it seem like Clay's best work comes down after one day and junk like this stays up forever?

September 26, 2011 at 1:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp 3339 said: What would their fair share be? Why not insist congress abolish all deductions, reductions, grants, subsidies, and other tax exceptions including taxes on capital gains and adjust the rates accordingly . . . “

Tdemg said: “I keep hearing from the left that they want the rich to pay their "fair share" but I never hear what their "fair share" is.”

Lightnup said: "good luck getting an answer from a liberal on that one. No matter what a wealthy person pays, it will never be enough to satisfy the share-the-wealth crowd.”

Good grief! Please believe me when I say that I didn’t mean to cause your psyches to go on emotional overload. Indeed, I never dreamed that a simple little concept like “fair share” would have caused such group hysteria. May I ask specifically what is it about the “fair share” tax concept that concerns you? I’m reasonably confident that you’re not members of the billionaire crowd so it can’t be personal. And, come on guys, surely, you understand the urgent need to address this growing economic gap in the U.S. It simply isn’t fair that middle class Americans continue to pay higher overall tax rates than our richest Americans do.

As to my own thoughts on the “fair share” concept, I think we need to take a serious look at some of the tax issues that have help to create this big economic gap that exists in America today. In addition to reviewing the issues surrounding some of these strange special tax “loopholes” for corporations, I also think we need to discontinue the preferential rates for capital gains, which include profits from things like the sale of stocks, bonds and real estate. I’ve read that during the Reagan era the income earned from wages/salaries and capital gains were taxed at the same rate – 28 percent. This approach seems fairer to me. At the moment, there is a huge gap between the rate for wages and the rate for capital gains, which seems unfair to me.

September 26, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
carlB said...

BigRidgePatriot said... Why does it seem like Clay's best work comes down after one day and junk like this stays up forever?


Reply to BigRidgePatriot: BigRidgePatriot, "one man's junk is another man's treasure." Your judgment of the drawing might be biased against the reality that it expresses.

September 26, 2011 at 2:26 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Same names, myself included, saying the same thing day after day. The good thing about that is not enough people are reading Clay's drivel for him to make a difference in a policy matter. Basically, it's our daily humor.

September 26, 2011 at 2:26 p.m.
alprova said...

BobMKE wrote: "Governor Perry will be moot when New Jersey Governor Chris Christie steps into the race. It will be all over for the other candidates."

The American people will not vote for a fat man for President. If television had been around in the early 1900's, William Howard Taft would never have been elected.

He'll do as well as Perry has, for a few weeks time and the people will lose interest in him too. He's lucky he was elected as Governor of New Jersey. He's got very little political experience, and no where near qualifies to run for President.

September 26, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
EaTn said...

alprova wrote: "The American people will not vote for a fat man for President "

You've got a point..Bill Richardson lost (some) weight to run but I think the fat-boy image was a drag on him, among other issues.

September 26, 2011 at 2:45 p.m.
timbo said...

QUESTIONS FOR LIBERALS:

1, Do you borrow 49% of every dollar you spend? 2. Do you think people shouldn't pay any taxes? 3. Are you taking a large part of your income and giving it to the "poor?" 4. If you said yes to question 1, do you have a printing press in your basement to make up the difference? 5. If you have extra income, should you be made to give it to your next door neighbor if he is out of a job? 6. Do you want to pay twice as much for energy that we pay today? 7. Do you think that it is ok to discriminate on the basis of race (ie. affirmative action)? 8. If you said yes to question 7, is it ok to charge whites and Asians more for food than blacks?

If you said no to most of these questions, I have some good news and some better news. The good news is that your not really a liberal and as dumb as you thought. The better news is that congratulations, you are really a conservative and have a little sense.

September 26, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
limric said...

Just for Libertarians4Freedom,

I failed to mention an oft times overlooked, but fully rounded member of the “Republican League of America

Number 8) MELANIOD, aka Herman Cain. Power: Knows pizza lurks in everyone’s subconscious. Motto” I will balance the U.S. Federal Budget in 30 minutes or less, or else everyone in America gets a free order of cheese sticks.”

There, is that better?

September 26, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

If you saved a $1 every day since your birth, would you be rich? Some here seem to think if you work hard and keep your side of the street clean, that is all that is needed to survive in this world. You guys are in for a rude awakening.

September 26, 2011 at 2:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

carlB said... "one man's junk is another man's treasure."

Oh, I thought it might be because they like the stupid ones that keep everyone actively sniping at each other for 2 or 3 days. Thanks for your take on the matter!

September 26, 2011 at 2:56 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "The American people will not vote for a fat man for President."

That's funny alpo! The American Idol Left will not vote for a fat man. Chris Cristie would do just fine with the intellegent voters.

(That is the type of post you are supposed to make on this page, right?)

September 26, 2011 at 3 p.m.
EaTn said...

BRP said.."Chris Cristie would do just fine with the intellegent voters."

Maybe so, but they will probably be voting in the Democratic primary.

September 26, 2011 at 3:11 p.m.
jesse said...

as of now there are 94 posts on this CARTOON! eatn:6 harp:12 mtn.laurel:7 mtn.john 7 arnoldziffel 6 carlb:6 same ole same ole!! LOOKS LIKE HARP IS WINNING!LOL

September 26, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Obama supporters are morons! (that makes Clay Bennett a moron)

Sorry, I don’t normally like these kinds of communications but The Wart clearly wants this kind of dialogue.

September 26, 2011 at 3:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Most all Democrats are morons, so they would not vote for Chris Cristie.

(tone in respect of The Wart's wishes)

September 26, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
EaTn said...

Just read where Rick Perry is back ahead in the poles..long attention span is not a right-wing characteristic.

September 26, 2011 at 3:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

People that call polls poles are retarded.

(How am I doing Mr. Wart?)

September 26, 2011 at 3:48 p.m.
EaTn said...

Clay, it's time to change the toon. Looks like we've all run out of ammo and are throwing whatever garbage we can get our hands on.

September 26, 2011 at 3:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Is The Wart EaTn's lapdog? Will he change the cartoon just because EaTn tells him to? If EaTn is both a DemocRAT and calls polls poles does that make him a moronic retard?

September 26, 2011 at 3:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

How are we doing Mr. Wart? Name calling is more fun than I ever imagined!

September 26, 2011 at 3:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I am afraid we have been seduced by the Dark Side. Mindless name calling is much easier than reasoned thought. That must be why morons like The Wart like to practice that approach to debate. I hope he is proud of the example he sets.

September 26, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.

Whatever happened to all the liberals believing in Darwinism? Isn't most of liberal theology based on the exact opposite of this theory?

September 26, 2011 at 4:40 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric,

I think you are a conservative masquerading as a lefty. Lefties don't know words like melanoid. Do you play the uber intelligent moron for giggles?

September 26, 2011 at 4:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said... “Whatever happened to all the liberals believing in Darwinism? Isn't most of liberal theology based on the exact opposite of this theory? “

Morons do not recognize the inconsistencies of their positions.

September 26, 2011 at 4:44 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BRP - with each post, you raise the right hand graph to a new high. In so doing, you are a walking example of the truth in this cartoon. Keep up the good work!

September 26, 2011 at 5:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

mntl said.....

Carnival pays so little tax partly because of a provision that lets some shipping companies legally incorporated overseas (Panama, in Carnival’s case) avoid taxes.

That is true as is the case with many companies doing business in the U.S. Check out the number that have established their headquarters in Ireland (google is one) Sweden and other countries. It is legal and there is nothing that will work congress can do about it. There are no American based cruise lines. Money goes to where it is treated best. The fair tax proposal, H.R. 25, abolishes all pay roll, business tax, capital gains exceptions and taxes retail consumption as money is spent. Those buying would get the benefit of lower price goods and services with the wealthy paying no less than their fair share. A prebate puts lower wage earners at or above the poverty line. Congress and the wealthy don't like it so I like it a lot. Wamp supported it, Corker said it would work but he just couldn't see how to transition to it. January 1st would be a good time and way to make the transition.

September 26, 2011 at 5:47 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP it's hilarious watching you lobby the cartoon gods like you have credentials that others don't. Clay's probably out of town accepting another award you've never heard of and wouldn't understand. To the editors you're no more than an irritating gnat. But keep tilting, your audience of three is amused.

September 26, 2011 at 6:06 p.m.
Lightnup said...

Alprova said of Christie: "...He's got very little political experience, and no where near qualifies to run for President."

If that was a real benchmark, we wouldn't have the current occupant of the White House, would we?"

September 26, 2011 at 6:09 p.m.
carlB said...

lumpy said... I don't like Obama's class warfare approach as he gets near 2012. It's a sign of desperation and immaturity to me. We're all in this together, yet he seems intent on pitting one group against another group. We absolutely need someone new in charge. He's taking a negative approach, which is the last thing we need in tough times.


Reply to lumpy: lumpy, in other words you are not willing to face the truth of the real class warfare that is occurring? The changes in the wage gaps has not happened suddenly but has been increasing for many years. When would be the best time to discuss this problem,if you think it is a problem? It definitely should be talked about and put a stop to. Where would the conditions stop it if the people did not "raise Hell"?

September 26, 2011 at 6:09 p.m.
carlB said...

whatsnottaken said... Same names, myself included, saying the same thing day after day. The good thing about that is not enough people are reading Clay's drivel for him to make a difference in a policy matter. Basically, it's our daily humor


Reply to whatsnottaken: whatsnottaken, are you positive that the "good thing" is true? It might be just wishful thinking or a figment of your imagination.

September 26, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You guys are too funny! You give The Wart accolades for name calling but you criticize me? Is that because only Leftists are allowed to call the opposition names? You simple minded hypocrites! You only demonstrate how shallow, screwed up and irrational your pin headed arguments are.

(Is that what you were looking for Mr. Wart?)

September 26, 2011 at 6:50 p.m.
MTJohn said...

You win, BRP. You beat the rest of us to the lowest level. And, in the process you have demonstrated truth in the old maxim.

September 26, 2011 at 7:19 p.m.
lumpy said...

Should we all make the same amount of money, Carl? Raise hell about what? If I make more money than another guy and I've worked hard for it, should I feel bad about it? No, I don't.

If you think Obama is fighting for the little guy and the poor, you're way off. He's very much counting on envy and jealousy to get more votes. That's what I'm referring to. Obama is rich and out of touch, Carl. He and his wife have partied and indulged while the quality of life has diminished for people in all economic brackets over the last 3 years. Is that how he wages class warfare? What a phony.

I heard someone once describe it as big ol' pile of money. Democrats have convinced many that there's this big ol' pile of money and who ever gets it is the winner. Democrats are masters at waging class warfare.

September 26, 2011 at 8:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Bloviatio...lol.

September 26, 2011 at 8:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "You win"

I guess you don't get it. No one wins when the debate is reduced to personal attacks and name calling. Bennett sets the tone for this forum and the tone is dominated by low brow sniping. I was just trying to demonstrate how vulgar and unproductive it is.

Maybe his followers will think twice about praising that kind of junk in the future. I doubt it though.

September 26, 2011 at 8:53 p.m.
alprova said...

Lightnup wrote: "If that was a real benchmark, we wouldn't have the current occupant of the White House, would we?"

Chris Christie went straight from a practicing Attorney to that of Governor. He has zero legislative experience. He has zero experience as a state or federal representative.

Barack Obama had exactly the same level of experience that Abe Lincoln had when he was elected President.

I'm well aware of all the people out there who want to saddle this nation's ills on the shoulder of President Obama, but the fact of the matter is the the man is doing a fine job as President, considering the mess that he walked into and that was left for him to deal with on inauguration day, 2009.

September 26, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...I guess you don't get it. No one wins when the debate is reduced to personal attacks and name calling.

As near as I can tell, you have been the one doing most of the name calling in this thread. If you know better, please try setting a better example.

September 26, 2011 at 10:05 p.m.
rolando said...

Actually, those who voted for The Hussein the first time and now plan on voting for him in 2012 are The Dumb Who Grow Dumber.

An eMail describing a conservative"

THOMAS JEFFERSON

At 5, began studying under his cousin’s tutor.

At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.

At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

At 23, started his own law practice.

At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America ” and retired from his law practice.

At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.

At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .

At 33, took three years to revise Virginia ’s legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.

At 40, served in Congress for two years.

At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.

At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.

At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.

At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.

At 57, was elected the third president of the United States ..

At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.

At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

At 65, retired to Monticello .

At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.

At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence.

(continued)


September 26, 2011 at 10:20 p.m.
rolando said...

(Continued from above)

John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe ." Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans....if....they can prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from....too much government." Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of.....patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes.....the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors.....is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802: "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive
the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

September 26, 2011 at 10:21 p.m.
MTJohn said...

...and, who is it who gave control of our currency to the banks? Do you really think that any on the list of R candidates have any intention to trying to take control back? I doubt it!

September 26, 2011 at 10:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Thank you for that rolando! Jefferson was a great man. No one in Washington today can hold a candle to him.

At 51, from behind his teleprompter, Obama barks, "I expect all of you to march with me and press on! Take off your bedroom slippers! put on your marching shoes! Shake it off! Stop complainin'! Stop grumblin'! Stop cryin'! We're going to press on. We've got work to do..."

September 26, 2011 at 10:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "Do you really think that any on the list of R candidates have any intention to trying to take control back?"

Yes, that would be Ron Paul.

September 26, 2011 at 10:54 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Lumpy said: “Should we all make the same amount of money. . . If I make more money than another guy and I've worked hard for it, should I feel bad about it? No, I don't.”

But Americans should be taxed fairly, Lumpy. And at this point in time, there is a huge gap between the tax rate for wages/salaries and the tax rate for capital gains, which means that a person with an annual salary of $35,000, for example, is taxed at a higher rate than a billionaire who is making millions in capital gains. I believe this kind preferential treatment is simply unfair. In 1986, during the Reagan administration both forms of income were taxed at the same rate – 28 percent. Clearly, it’s time for both forms of income to be taxed at the same rate once again – no more preferential tax treatment. Don't you agree?

September 26, 2011 at 11:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

You are describing the exception, not the rule. Obama got away with making that statement unchallenged for too long.

September 26, 2011 at 11:35 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Yes, that would be Ron Paul."

Give up the ghost. Ron Paul will never be nominated for President and he certainly will never be elected for the office.

The man has no heart. He has no morals. He cares nothing about humanity.

He without a doubt has a following, of like-minded people who have adopted the same values as his own. And the lot of you are destined for Hell.

Thank God that none of you will ever have control enough to affect the decisions made in how this country is run and how its people are treated.

September 26, 2011 at 11:49 p.m.
Lightnup said...

Alprova, it is not a fact that Obama is doing a fine job as President, it is your opinion and it flies in theface of the actual facts, which are that everything from unemployment to housing to consumer confidence to burdensome and stifling regulation has gone from bad to worse in Obama's nearly 3 years in office. It's beyond time to put away that tired old "look what he inherited" crutch. He's done nothing to make what he inherited better.

September 27, 2011 at 12:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Lightnup whined: "Alprova, it is not a fact that Obama is doing a fine job as President, it is your opinion and it flies in theface of the actual facts, which are that everything from unemployment to housing to consumer confidence to burdensome and stifling regulation has gone from bad to worse in Obama's nearly 3 years in office."

It is a fact that people such as yourself blame the President for things which he has no control or the power to do a thing about. You either give a President too much credit, when it isn't due, or not enough when it is.

President Obama has submitted a proposal for a fully funded jobs bill that the Republicans in Congress refuse to take up. Now they've been in power for nearly a year and haven't done a thing to address the unemployment problem in this nation.

People looking to any President to determine what, if anything they should spend their money for, are rather stupid, to say the least.

President Obama has had nothing at all to do with the mortgage crisis in this nation, and has been subjected to a great deal of criticism for dare offering to allow the Government to amend fraudulently written mortgages so that people can keep and pay for their homes.

I read all the time about all these supposed regulations that President Obama has imposed on businesses, but have never been able to determine what they were. Can you name any regulations that the President has had a personal hand in, fitting your description?

"It's beyond time to put away that tired old "look what he inherited" crutch. He's done nothing to make what he inherited better."

The snowball that began rolling downhill when Reagan stepped into the Oval Office and began coddling the rich in this nation and tripling the national debt in eight years, began thirty years ago.

To suggest that it can all be reversed in three years is ludicrous.

This country is on the right track, despite all those who are working feverishly against our President, while at the same time are calling themselves patriots. The progress made has been slow and frustrating, but progress has been made and it can be cited.

Blaming the President for all this nation's ills is silly. No man who inhabits the Oval Office has the power to wave a magic wand and to satisfy everyone.

Like it or not, President Obama indeed did inherit a massive mess and he's still attempting to deal with it, as best as any man who has been President could have, or ever has in the history of this nation.

People with a brain realize that the Republicans have had their shot at running things and they made a complete mess of this nation, for all but for a select few. Those days are over.

I am confident that President Obama will win reelection to a second term, for there is not one of the Republican candidates running for office that have been able to convince their fellow Republicans that they are suited for the job, much less those needed to propel them into office.

September 27, 2011 at 1:02 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "Do you really think that any on the list of R candidates have any intention to trying to take control back?"

Yes, that would be Ron Paul.

What specific regulations has Ron Paul proposed to take control back from the banks?

September 27, 2011 at 7:24 a.m.
Lightnup said...

Alprova wrote: "People with a brain realize that the Republicans have had their shot at running things and they made a complete mess of this nation, for all but for a select few. Those days are over."

The Dems are hell-bent to make it a complete mess for EVERYBODY.

People who actually use their brains instead of relying on the New York Times to tell them what to think realize that the Democrats controlled Congress during the latter half of Bush's term and that, despite Democrats having total control of the House, Senate and White House during Obama's early tenure, they didn't accomplish anything other than commit billions to union-payback "stimulus" programs that have clearly stimulated nothing.

And despite your lame attempt to lay this at the feet of Ronald Reagan, it was Jimmy Carter who signed the disastrous Community Reinvestment Act into law in 1977, forcing banks to give loans to people knowing they could not afford them, leading to the eventual implosion of the housing market. Despite George W. Bush's attempts to get Congress to put the brakes on Fannie's and Freddie's precarious lending thresholds, it was your pals Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters and other Dems who stonewalled and refused to acknowledge that the whole thing was a deck of cards.

Despite Democrats insistence to the contrary, IT IS NOT GOVERNMENT'S PLACE to provide every little thing to those who can't afford them. Home loans with nothing down? Sure, why not. Free cell phones for the poor (paid for by tacking the cost onto MY cell phone bill)? Sure, why not. Tax refunds for people who don't even pay taxes? Sure, why not. Thanks to vote buying Democrats, our safety nets have become warm cozy hammocks with no incentive to climb back out. And our welfare society continues to spiral downward.

September 27, 2011 at 10:35 a.m.
carlB said...

lumpy said... Should we all make the same amount of money, Carl? Raise hell about what? If I make more money than another guy and I've worked hard for it, should I feel bad about it? No, I don't.

If you think Obama is fighting for the little guy and the poor, you're way off. He's very much counting on envy and jealousy to get more votes. That's what I'm referring to. Obama is rich and out of touch, Carl. He and his wife have partied and indulged while the quality of life has diminished for people in all economic brackets over the last 3 years. Is that how he wages class warfare? What a phony.

I heard someone once describe it as big ol' pile of money. Democrats have convinced many that there's this big ol' pile of money and who ever gets it is the winner. Democrats are masters at waging class warfare.

reply to lumpy: lumpy, Have you ever heard of having a proper balance? This Republic has to maintain a proper balance between all extremes. There will always be a low percentage of the rich and the poor. Your BS shows that you do not want to have the "proper balance" for maintaining this Republic.
Trying to continue driving the wedge does not work for me.

September 27, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “You are describing the exception, not the rule.”

So from your perspective it is unusual event for the capital gains income that is typically earned by our richest Americans to be taxed at the same rate as the wage/salary income that is typically earned by our middle-class Americans? And the equal taxation of both types of income that occurred during the Reagan era was just a fluke?

But why is this an unusual event, BRP? And does it have to be the case in the future? It seems to me that if 60 percent of one man’s income comes from his capital gains earnings and 60 percent of another man’s income comes from his wage/salary earnings, the taxation rate should be the same for both men. Don’t you agree, BRP?

September 27, 2011 at 12:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Lightnup wrote: "The Dems are hell-bent to make it a complete mess for EVERYBODY."

You're entitled to that opinion, but it is not a statement of fact.

"People who actually use their brains instead of relying on the New York Times to tell them what to think realize that the Democrats controlled Congress during the latter half of Bush's term and that, despite Democrats having total control of the House, Senate and White House during Obama's early tenure, they didn't accomplish anything other than commit billions to union-payback "stimulus" programs that have clearly stimulated nothing."

I don't read the New York Times, not that I have any particular problem with their reporting.

The CBO estimated that between 1.3 million and 3.6 million jobs were saved or created as a result of stimulus funding. IHS/Global Insight estimates that 2.45 million jobs were saved or created as a result of stimulus funding. Macroeconomic Advisers estimated that 2.3 million jobs were saved or created as a result of stimulus funding. Moody’s estimated that 2.5 million jobs were saved or created as a result of stimulus funding.

"And despite your lame attempt to lay this at the feet of Ronald Reagan, it was Jimmy Carter who signed the disastrous Community Reinvestment Act into law in 1977, forcing banks to give loans to people knowing they could not afford them, leading to the eventual implosion of the housing market."

Oh brother. You're the second person to make that claim. It's silly too.

Fact: Loans that qualified under CRA guidelines were being paid on time, every month, 94% of the time, right up until 2008, when the mortgage crisis hit. Sub-prime loans made up approximately 20% of the mortgages written in the United States. There is no way that a 6% default rate of 20% of all mortgages written, caused the mortgage crises.

Fact: the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 directly caused the mortgage crisis, reversing the Glass-Stegall Act of 1933, in that it allowed banks, investment houses, and insurance companies to merge. Those who defaulted by and large, were investors who were in the business of flipping properties for profit, taking out multiple loans for properties that devalued.

Many banks dumped tainted mortgages on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from 2003 until 2008, and others bundled mortgages as legitimate investments, knowing that they were tainted, on Wall Street. The rest is history.

"Despite George W. Bush's attempts to get Congress to put the brakes on Fannie's and Freddie's precarious lending thresholds, it was your pals Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters and other Dems who stonewalled and refused to acknowledge that the whole thing was a deck of cards."

Prior to 1999, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were sound. They were created by the Government in 1970 to purchase loans from banks and S&L's in order to loan more money to home buyers. Gramm-Leach-Bliley changed all that.

September 27, 2011 at 1:48 p.m.

Rolando,

you say Jefferson was great man!

However, conservatives would never wote for him, alone for his removing the miracles from the bible...

Lookt into the mirror and you see how deep your country has fallen...

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