published Tuesday, June 26th, 2012

None Shall Pass

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

That's what they'll be claiming later this week when Obamacare gets struck down.

June 26, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
raygunz said...

Gov. Brewer called the ruling a "vindication"!!WTF?? Don't these people EVER stop spinning?

June 26, 2012 at 12:06 a.m.

Salsa, or you'll be claiming a mortal blow when some tiny piece of it is taken out, but the rest stands.

Besides, that provision itself is subject to review, and with Sheriff Joe Arpaio still in office, abuses are practically inevitable.

I'm more disappointed in the Montana ruling though. Doesn't Scalia believe in state's rights for spending on political speech? Apparently not.

raygunz: She probably only read the parts she liked. The rest wasn't important.

Good show both of you though, actually being on-topic.

June 26, 2012 at 12:06 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

THEY MAY NOT HAVE THAT LAST LEG TO STAND ON

Not only did the Supremes knock down three parts of the Arizona immigration law, they did not endorse the fourth part, either.

"It was improper to enjoin," the ruling says, "Before the state courts had an opportunity to construe it..."

The Supreme Court reserves the right to review the 'papers please' provisio at a later date. Hardly an endorsement. Not the rubber stamp 'Okay!' so many tea baggers have come to expect.

Regardless, this Court is still viewed by many Americans as a conservative judiciary with a biased politcal agenda.

June 26, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.
raygunz said...

Former Arizona state Senate president Russell Pearce (R), who helped craft the legislation, also called the Supreme Court’s decision a “huge win” on Monday.

June 26, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

blackwater48 12:17 said:

"Regardless, this Court is still viewed by many Americans as a conservative judiciary with a biased politcal agenda."

Because that is what it is.

June 26, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

And if BHO is reelected, the court will ultimately become a liberal judiciary with a biased political agenda. Right, John_Proctor?

June 26, 2012 at 12:31 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

You don't know how the Supreme Court works do you? The court has leaned to the Right since John Roberts was appointed by Little Bush. It's fairly common knowledge.

June 26, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I've probably forgotten more than you will ever know about The Court. What about my statement is incorrect?

June 26, 2012 at 12:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Obama is already in office. Why would the court change if he's reelected? It didn't change when Bush was reelected. It didn't change when Obama was elected. The current group of Justices have always been conservative. Please tell me how your statement makes any sense at all.

I'm sure you've forgotten too much already, graybeard.

June 26, 2012 at 12:54 a.m.
raygunz said...

Jack,any court is going to be biased one way or another,but maybe a liberal court won't sell us out to the corporations.

June 26, 2012 at 12:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy, has it ever occurred to you that BHO's second term will afford him the opportunity to appoint 2-3 new justices? (with death, retirement, etc) And would then the SCOTUS not be heavily liberal? And when liberally dominated, would not it be biased to the left? Honestly, man. Are you that thick?

June 26, 2012 at 1 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

raygunz: So a bias one way is judicially ok, but a bias the other way, no. Right?

June 26, 2012 at 1:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Sure, let's just make up scenarios. What if they all lived and didn't retire? What if only the more liberal judges die or retire? Heck, what if they all die? Honestly, what good are made-up situations? They prove nothing. Are you suffering from dementia?

Let's talk about real life. Not your contrivances.

June 26, 2012 at 1:11 a.m.
raygunz said...

No Jack,that is not what I said. The current "conservative" court is totally in the sway of the "BIG MONEY BOYS". A more liberal leaning court would not be .(I hope)

June 26, 2012 at 1:13 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Practically every news outlet in the free world has done stories on the likelihood of several vacancies arising in BHO's (God forbid) second term. Get your head out of the dark, damp, space and smell the coffee.

June 26, 2012 at 1:15 a.m.
alprova said...

What I found most interesting was the almost immediate press release from the Department of Homeland Security, stating that their intention was to instruct Immigration Enforcement personnel to prioritize the removal of criminals and people deemed threats to national security over immigrants with no criminal records.

Immigration officials are making it clear that while they will check the immigration status of a person arrested when a police officer contacts them for that information, don't expect them to take custody of the person or expect them to take any action to deport them if an illegal does not fit the high priority category.

In other words, Arizona law enforcement departments may be allowed to ask whether or not someone is in the country illegally all day long, but unless the illegal immigrant in front of them has a prior criminal record on file, Federal Immigration folks are basically saying, "We're not comin' to get 'em. Turn 'em loose."

Soooooo...Arizona's win is still pretty much a loss all the way around.

Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and Utah passed similar legislation in their states mimicking Arizona's SB 1070, so it's back to the drawing board in all six States too.

June 26, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

All those stories are speculation. Keep living your life based on speculation. See how far that gets you.

You're like a child with a wandering imagination. Tell us more of your fantasy tales.

June 26, 2012 at 1:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

raygunz: uh huh you may be right. Would be in the sway of the unions, MoveOn, the DNC, etc.

June 26, 2012 at 1:23 a.m.
raygunz said...

Alprova,to follow up on your post,Arizona Cannot Detain People Simply Because They Might Be Undocumented: Although the opinion does not strike down the “show me your papers” provision, it significantly lessens the harm caused by this provision. SB 1070 provides that “[a]ny person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status de­termined before the person is released,” but the Court warns the state not to apply this provision literally if it wants to avoid running headlong into the Constitution:

Detaining individuals solely to verify their immi­gration status would raise constitutional concerns. And it would disrupt the federal framework to put state officers in the position of holding aliens in custody for possible unlawful presence without federal direction and supervision. The program put in place by Congress does not allow state or local officers to adopt this enforcement mechanism.

But §2(B) could be read to avoid these concerns. To take one example, a person might be stopped for jaywalking in Tucson and be unable to produce identification. The first sentence of §2(B) instructs officers to make a “reasonable” attempt to verify his immigration status with ICE if there is reasonable suspicion that his presence in the United States is unlawful. The state courts may conclude that, unless the person continues to be suspected of some crime for which he may be detained by state officers, it would not be reasonable to prolong the stop for the immigration inquiry.

Although the Court technically does not reason a decision on this question, under today’s opinion, prolonging a person’s detention simply to verify their immigration status is almost certainly not allowed. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/25/505672/four-takeaways-from-todays-arizona-immigration-decision/

June 26, 2012 at 1:27 a.m.
raygunz said...

Obama’s DREAM Initiative Is Legal: Finally, as Judd Legum notes, the opinion strongly hints that the Obama Administration’s directive allowing undocumented college students and veterans to remain in the country is lawful. Indeed, on page 17 of the opinion, the Court explicitly lists “a veteran” or a “college student” as two examples of undocumented immigrants who should not experience “unnecessary harassment.”

In the end, the Obama Administration got 85 percent of what it asked for from the Supreme Court today, plus an unexpected lift to its newly announced immigration directive. Three of SB 1070′s four challenged provisions were struck down, and the remaining provision was significantly limited. Moreover, it is possible that a subsequent challenge could invalidate show me your papers for good. The Court leaves open the possibility that future constitutional challenges to this provision could strike it down.http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/25/505672/four-takeaways-from-todays-arizona-immigration-decision/

June 26, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Speculation? Ginsberg, 80, health problems. Stevens 92 Scalia 76

Your stupid chime is off the rails tonite.

June 26, 2012 at 1:30 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

John Paul Stevens retired on June 29, 2010. Ginsburg is a Democrat. And Scalia is still going strong as anyone could tell by his dissent today when 3/4 of the Arizona immigration law was struck down.

Speaking of stupid! Would you like to try again?

June 26, 2012 at 1:37 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Practically every news outlet in the free world has done stories on the likelihood of several vacancies arising in BHO's (God forbid) second term."

A quick Google search finds that the blogosphere is going nuts in mulling over the possibility that it could happen, but none of the Justices have announced retirement plans any time soon, so then it comes down to an Obama nomination being a possibility if any of them were to pass away.

Chief Justice John Roberts is 57 years old. Antonin Scalia is 76 years old. Anthony M. Kennedy turns 75 years old next month. Clarence Thomas just celebrated his 64th birthday. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79 years old. Stephen G. Breyer turns 74 years old later this year. Samuel Anthony Alito is 62 years old. Sonia Sotomayor celbrated her 58th birthday yesterday. Elena Kagan, the youngest Justice, is 52 years old.

Chances are slim that any of them would die over the next four and a quarter years, but any or all of them certainly could. One never knows when their time will come.

Hillary will get to replace a couple or more when she takes the reins in 2017.

June 26, 2012 at 1:42 a.m.
alprova said...

raygunz wrote: "Alprova,to follow up on your post,Arizona Cannot Detain People Simply Because They Might Be Undocumented:"

In theory anyway. Reality for Hispanics in Arizona is far different. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is already thumping his chest in defiance in front of any camera shoved in his face, declaring that he's not going to change a thing.

"Although the opinion does not strike down the “show me your papers” provision, it significantly lessens the harm caused by this provision."

Law enforcement can ask, but no one is required to have any documentation on their person. If asked, all they have to do is to simply state that they don't have any papers on them.

"Detaining individuals solely to verify their immi­gration status would raise constitutional concerns. And it would disrupt the federal framework to put state officers in the position of holding aliens in custody for possible unlawful presence without federal direction and supervision."

Then Arpaio is going to face a slew of new Federal charges.

"The program put in place by Congress does not allow state or local officers to adopt this enforcement mechanism."

Which is why there's going to be a flurry of new lawsuits filed in short order.

"But §2(B) could be read to avoid these concerns. To take one example, a person might be stopped for jaywalking in Tucson and be unable to produce identification. The first sentence of §2(B) instructs officers to make a “reasonable” attempt to verify his immigration status with ICE if there is reasonable suspicion that his presence in the United States is unlawful. The state courts may conclude that, unless the person continues to be suspected of some crime for which he may be detained by state officers, it would not be reasonable to prolong the stop for the immigration inquiry. Although the Court technically does not reason a decision on this question, under today’s opinion, prolonging a person’s detention simply to verify their immigration status is almost certainly not allowed."

It will be tested many times over the coming months, watch and see.

June 26, 2012 at 1:56 a.m.

Jan Brewer is happy with it. The key element still stands. I'm glad.

June 26, 2012 at 1:57 a.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote: "Jan Brewer is happy with it."

Jan Brewer's reactions and public statements throughout the day have been nothing short of hilarious.

The Supreme Court and now ICE have all but shut the law completely down.

"The key element still stands."

With ICE rescinding Arizona's 287G partnership privileges, which effectively denies Arizona law enforcement from accessing databases containing any information as to the immigration status of any person in front of an officer, the "key element that still stands" is pointless, unenforceable, and nullified.

"I'm glad."

Okey Dokey.

June 26, 2012 at 2:20 a.m.
Easy123 said...

AL,

This is an interesting thought from The Huffington Post:

"The ruling in at least one specific sense could be a boon to the Obama campaign. Since possession of a valid driver's license is, under the Arizona law, sufficient proof of citizenship, the ruling will force legal residents and citizens to get them if they don't have them.

There's no better place to run a registration drive than at or near a DMV. Most of those voters are likely to be Democrats, or at least Obama supporters."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/sb-1070-opinion-scotus-obama-romney-latinos_n_1624417.html

It might be a stretch but I could see this happening. This could help Obama tremendously by getting more, likely, Democratic voters in the booths in Arizona (a red state in 2008).

June 26, 2012 at 2:28 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

We have a president that is gleeful about not enforcing U.S. laws. What's wrong with this picture?

June 26, 2012 at 2:46 a.m.

I'll take Jan Brewer's own words over your attempt to interpret her thoughts. Like i said, if she's happy with it and the legislator who crafted it is happy, then I'm ok with it.

Thursday the Supreme Court will strike down the mandate. It will be a good week.

Yeah, Easy, everyone is likely to vote Democrat and everything helps Obama, just like all people of Mexican ancestry think alike, and are all ok with lawlessness, huh? You must subscribe to that since you're a Democrat Party spokesman.

June 26, 2012 at 2:50 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

It's not Obama's job to "enforce" laws. He's not a policeman.

And, just for kicks, which laws did he not "enforce"?

June 26, 2012 at 2:51 a.m.

Easy reading for Easy, the Huffington Post. There's no bias there, is there?

June 26, 2012 at 2:52 a.m.
Easy123 said...

blonde,

Jan Brewer has every reason to put up a front about this. 3/4 provisions were voted down. 25% success rate is not good. At least you're happy though, right?

Thursday, the Supreme Court might strike down the individual mandate but keep everything else. I could see that happening. But, like I've said before, I bet you don't know the slightest thing about Obamacare. You just don't like anything Obama is for.

I never said anything about people with Mexican ancestry or lawlessness. Only you say that. And I would guess that the immigrants in Arizona would likely not vote Republican considering that the Arizona Immigration Lawm that would have treated them as second rate citizens, was a Republican law. It was even labeled a "model" law by Willard Mitt Romney. I'm sure some will vote Romney, but the vast majority of immigrants and latinos will vote for Obama. And I also never claimed to be a spokesman for anyone other than myself.

I'm sure it's difficult reading for someone like you. You try to discredit my link because you don't agree with it. Good for you if you believe Huff Post is biased. Frankly, I don't care what you think.

I have decided to discredit everything you say after your "Poor people don't pay taxes" statement yesterday.

June 26, 2012 at 3:02 a.m.
alprova said...

Easy, Mitt has been predictably quiet on the news of the SCOTUS Arizona immigration law ruling. As Huffington Post points out, he loses votes no matter which way he goes on that one.

Maybe he'll have more to say on Thursday.

It might be a big week, this week, for the President after all.

June 26, 2012 at 3:09 a.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

It is definitely a huge week for Obama. Romney is caught between a rock and a hard spot. He's already in hot water with immigrant/latino voters anyway. But today's SCOTUS action to strike down most of the AZ immigration law is a huge blow. He can't keep skirting this issue. Romney is going to have to take a stand on immigration one way or the other but, like you said, either way he goes, he is going to lose votes. I expect a statement from the Romney camp or Romney himself by the end of the week addressing an immigration policy directly. He better hurry though because Obama trampling him on this issue.

But since we were talking about the big vote on Thursday, take a look at this study on Obamacare:

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/8285-F.pdf

Refer to page 10 and the chart labeled: FAVORABILITY OF SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF ACA

It would seem that members of both parties find many of the provisions to be "appealing", as the study says.

I hope Obamacare gets passed, at least the majority of it. I've studied it over the past couple days and it looks really good from my point of view.

We will have an answer from the SCOTUS on Thursday. Exciting!

June 26, 2012 at 3:15 a.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote: "I'll take Jan Brewer's own words over your attempt to interpret her thoughts. Like i said, if she's happy with it and the legislator who crafted it is happy, then I'm ok with it."

I guess you didn't tune in to Fox News last evening, did you? Jan Brewer was a little less enthusiastic when speaking with Greta VanSusteren;

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1706813789001

"Thursday the Supreme Court will strike down the mandate."

I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. The Justices of the Supreme Court are a bit more pragmatic when debating an issue and quite reasonable when making important decisions.

June 26, 2012 at 3:33 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "We have a president that is gleeful about not enforcing U.S. laws. What's wrong with this picture?"

As much as I hear this same sentiment expressed on a daily basis, especially since his announcement last week in regard to halting the deportation of illegal immigrants who came here as children, there are many good reasons why immigration laws on the books are not enforced. And it's not the President's fault either. Permit me to illustrate yet another reason;

Many Americans are up in arms over out-of-control spending and the National Debt.

According to the Center for American Progress, it costs an average of $23,480 to apprehend, detain, house and feed, legally process, and to then ultimately transport each illegal immigrant to their country of origin.

People are equally concerned with unfunded legislative mandates, and illegal immigration enforcement is one of them. It would cost an estimated $469 billion to deport every illegal immigrant in the United states.

The President's 2013 Budget request for ICE totals $5.3 billion.

Who's going to pay to deport them? It would cost every LEGAL American who lives in the United States, $1,486.00 to fund such a movement to deport all illegals in this country.

So to all of you people who whine, complain, stomp your feet, and point your fingers at the Gov't and of course, at President Obama for "not enforcing immigration laws," consider writing a check to the Gov't to help pay for the kind of enforcement you are demanding, and THEN you will be righteously entitled to do so.

June 26, 2012 at 4:12 a.m.
EaTn said...

The SCOTUS put the pit bull in a cage and Obama pulled its teeth. How can Brewer and friends put a positive spin on a law that was totally emasculated? The beauty of this is that our right-wing state legislation had hopes of doing a copy-paste on the one in Arizona--maybe they can now get back to another one of their irrelevant schemes at hand.

June 26, 2012 at 5:17 a.m.
anniebelle said...

EaTn, I'll tell you how they put their spin on these topics, lies they've obtained from limbaugh and faux news. They get prepped every day from their lords and masters as to what to say and what to think (sic). I hope this activist court does strike down this health care act. The whole idea of a "mandate" was supplied by The Heritage Institute (a bunch of right-wing hack jobs), so you know it's only a ruse to give money to these insurance companies, which have nothing to do with 'health care'. Then maybe we'll be able to get Medicare for all our citizens. Too radical for you lunactics, huh?

June 26, 2012 at 6:24 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Speaking of limbaugh, just read this interesting article: Rush Limbaugh Off Air in Philadelphia Limbaugh has been a mainstay on the CBS owned station in Philadelphia for at least 20 years. Today he was replaced by Michael Smerconish with the intro "forget the anger, reason is back". This is one station, but it is a major market that is replacing hate speech one program at a time. Hannity was dropped last year.

June 26, 2012 at 6:39 a.m.
joneses said...

This is a prime example of the idiots currently in charge of the playground. The Obama administration has a program that supplies free cell phones for the “needy”. There is now even an Obama phone homepage. The thing that is just really entertaining is the page where they say it wasn’t Obama that started the program, it was Woodrow Wilson. Are they kidding? Obviously not! The sad part is the average Hussein Obama worshiper is too stupid to know any different.

http://obamaphone.net/

June 26, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

anniebelle: Philly, huh? Now there's a city to be envied.

June 26, 2012 at 7:14 a.m.
dude_abides said...

May the Black Knight's words, "None shall pass!", be true.

June 26, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BHO (blessed be his name) has created a class of super citizen. Able to cross borders, I.D.less. Immune from the law. And soon to be registered Dems.

June 26, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
KT said...

joneses: you should research something before posting such garbage.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

Obviously, at least to anyone that hasn't had a little too much of the kool-aid, the link you posted is not even remotely associated with an actual administration effort. It's obviously political (I'll let you figure out which party benefits from such a website) and at best might possibly redirect someone to the actual FCC Lifeline Assistance and Linkup programs which were established in 1984 and 1987. Think.

June 26, 2012 at 8:32 a.m.
chatt_man said...

Jack, after reading the earlier exchanges between you and Easy, you may grow "older and grayer" before you could teach him how the Supreme Court works. Some things just come by experience. Easy has a hard time with scenarios... he can't read about them.

I finally found something I can appreciate about Clay's cartoons, he referenced Monty Python. Although, if I'm not mistaken, the correct verbiage is "it's merely a flesh wound".

June 26, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.

This case came before the SCOTUS because the Obama administration failed to do it's job. Thursdays will be because the Obama administration went well past it's authority. Next year it will be the illegal executive order of the Dream Act.

Yea, folks, let's keep that moron in office.

June 26, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
KT said...

chatt_man: not going to comment on the jack and easy discussion(?) - falls in the category of "do not feed the troll..." however, the quote is correct "...just a flesh wound."

Check at minute 3:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VTci...

BTW, I think the choice of using this Monty Python scene is wonderfully apropos to the this particular situation.

June 26, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
alprova said...

jonese wrote: "There is now even an Obama phone homepage. The thing that is just really entertaining is the page where they say it wasn’t Obama that started the program, it was Woodrow Wilson."

And you fell for a parody site, hook, line, and sinker.

"Are they kidding? Obviously not!"

Please tell me that you are not that gullible.

"The sad part is the average Hussein Obama worshiper is too stupid to know any different."

I'm going to let that kinda sit there like a newly uncorked bottle of wine to breathe.

June 26, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
potcat said...

The first time i heard of the free cellphones and lifeline credits was during the appointed cowboy era. Never heard of lifeline and linkup programs before then and neither did the ones that use these programs now.

jonsie is such a liar, Obama had Nothing to do with these programs. Every thing you write is an out right lie.

I don't care one hoot about a Mexican being in this country. I do care about Middle Eastern, India,China, Paki, Africa, Iraq, Iran ETC. My Sister in/law works as a teacher in Nashville, its all Kurds. To her surprise, she was offered all school loans cleared and not have to repay if she stayed at that school and taught for 5yrs., of course with an interperter, she agreed considering the amount of school loans she owned. So the goverment goes way out for these prosecuted (not) Aliens. In Nashville they call it Little Kurdistan and have gangs " Kurd Pride" and lets not forget the Somali's and the sex ring they broke up in Nashville.

Keep them coming, the refugee center in Chatt. should be shut down and when they bring a plane load sponsored by churches they should be responsible money wise for them the rest of their lives, instead they are put directly on the dole of the american workers. The refugee center should not recieve another penny of taxpayers money and neither should the political Chamber of Commerce.

About the prosecution of refugee's, it has been proven that they know how to lie about how and what to say and do to get here and eventually they get their entire family here and on the dole. So keep them coming, it will be the down fall of this country.

June 26, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Chatt_Man: Easy123 is indeed a slow study.

June 26, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Trample on State's Rights, fail to enforce THE Federal Law in this regards, oh yeah what a victory! I suppose this could be seen as a precursor to what's in store today, tomorrow or Thur. when the edict on Obamacare comes down. I will not be surprised if they even fail to rule. But let's wait and see how she goes.

June 26, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Former Pres. Obama. Has a nice ring, no?

June 26, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
mymy said...

Oh, the dumb Obamacrats (Airheads)! They are incapable of seeing the big picture and what is really going on.

June 26, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Oh, the dumb Obamacrats (Airheads)! They are incapable of seeing the big picture and what is really going on."

Well...don't just come into the room, fart and leave. Why don't you elaborate a little, by drawing us a big picture and tell us what is really going on?

June 26, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
tderng said...

IN MY OPINION...It seem that this administration backs illegal immigrants over legal immigration as they are going way out of their way to protect law breakers in our country. Doesn't even want them to be asked for their proof of who they are! Let a white american tell a cop that they have no proof of who they are and they usually end up in jail,being fingerprinted etc.etc.If an African-American can't show proof of who he is God help him! But its ok if you speak some form of Spanish,can't check their legality or even ask them any questions about it. If I lived in Arizona and was pulled over by the police I would merely spout out "no habla ingles" so that they have to stop asking me questions and send me on my way.

June 26, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
tderng said...

Dang Potcat! We agree on something! Shut them down and and keep them off the doles unless they come here legally through the proper channels,my only question is why not Mexicans too. I am all for legal immigration from anywhere,its what makes this country what it was,and what it can be again,the greatest country the world has ever seen.

June 26, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
mymy said...

Alpoooo: A big fart is all you get Airhead! Waste of time to response to Obamacrat BS!

June 26, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

You're an idiot.

June 26, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
joneses said...

I made a mistake by posting the "Obamaphone" post. The mistake I made was informing these stupid liberals that Obama is not giving these phones away and the program was already in place before Hussein Obama. The mistake I made was exposing Hussein Obama as not caring about the welfare recipients getting free phones from him. I guess these liberals will start protesting Verizon now for being greedy.

June 26, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Alpoooo: A big fart is all you get Airhead! Waste of time to response to Obamacrat BS!"

Well...okay. How do you expect anyone to know what "really is going on" if you won't type it?

Gee...I'm going to be all upset for the rest of the day because you won't let me know "what's really going on" with the President.

June 26, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
potcat said...

The thing is the United States is letting them in legally and permanent. Come on this is 2012 not 1920. We can't even take care of our American Vets, but we are going to bring a plane load of Kurds, Iraqi's ETC. The tax payers pay for them. They can't speak engish and are a drain on the American TaxPayer. Take care of Americans born in this country FIRST!!!

Mexico is connected to America and that should be dealt with but i'd rather have that problem than these others that freeload and take easy as pie loans with free business tax rates for years, to own stores and motels, how about letting an American have a easy to get tax free loan!!!! If you want to help a country , keep them there and help them, don't bring them here, its insane!! better yet , if you want them here, move them next door and in your hood, Churches and the refugee federal "grant" program and pay for them and KEEP THEM OFF THE DOLE!!!

Our Vets are sleeping under bridges, Cut the grant for the Chatt. Refugee Center and give it to AMERICANS Homeless!!

June 26, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "...i'd rather have that problem than these others that freeload and take easy as pie loans with free business tax rates for years, to own stores and motels, how about letting an American have a easy to get tax free loan!!!!"

I'm sure that you didn't intentionally mean to pass on an urban legend, but no one who comes here as an immigrant is getting free money or "free business tax rates" for any length of time.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/immigrants.asp

June 26, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
potcat said...

I'm not talking about free cars and housing. My friend just sold his Bait and Tackle store about a mile from my home to a Indian that can't speak English and he got a gov. loan tax free for so many years.

Urban myth my eye. You can put up all the links you want, that link did not convince me. I believe my friend and the people living and working in the real world.

June 26, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BHO (blessings be upon his name) has just issued an Executive Order postponing the Nov. election until 2016. Spokesperson Jay Carney said that by 2016, the Dems should have 6 million more undocumented democrats registered to vote. (no I.D. required)

June 26, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Everyone who perpetuates these kind of tales always has a "friend" who sold a business to an immigrant of some race or another, who always got the money from the Gov't. They are always outraged.

I tried to be nice about it, and now I'm going to be more direct.

You're full of crap. It never happened.

If, and I do mean if, a person of East Indian descent bought a Bait and Tackle store about a mile from you, it was purchased with private funds out of the person's own pockets that he brought here when he immigrated from India, or a family member or friend already established in the United States, is bankrolling him.

What did not happen is that the Gov't granted or loaned him a penny, nor are they going to give him any tax breaks not equal to that which is extended to any American who might purchase the business, for so much as one day.

June 26, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Al: I don't know pot cat so can't say for sure. But I will agree the story sounds a bit fishy. (pun intended)

June 26, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.

"we need to pass it so we can see what's in it" - Nancy Pelosi

Easy, you mean like that?

The Democrat Party believes that citizens of Mexican ancestry are all ok with Mexican citizens breaking into the US simply because they share the same ancestry. They lump them all together in one big category. That's why Obama did what he did. Not out of empathy or anything else.

They think they own "black Americans", "Latinos" and women. That's my take on the Democrat Party.

You don't like it? Lump it.

June 26, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.

Why shouldn't I disagree with Obama on what he believes and what he's trying to do if I think it's not in the best interests of the country. Do you have a problem with that?

We all don't have the same ideology or political philosophy or whatever.

Our borders have been weak for a long time, long before Obama, but the venom he's shown toward the state of Arizona, all in the name of securing the "Mexican vote", is pretty nauseating. The president doesn't give a hoot about the citizens of Arizona and what they're going through.

June 26, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Blonde,

What you say carries no weight. You are mentally compromised. Listening to your opinion is equivalent to listening to someone in a psychiatric hospital. You believe that poor people don't pay taxes. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Your propaganda isn't working. You act as if you know Obama's intentions. You do not. Your ignorant take on the Democratic party is infused with your own hatred, racism, xenophobia and a blatant disregard for reality. Wake up. Use that little gland you call a brain. If you don't use it, you lose it, remember?

June 26, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Lyin4Life says: Trample on State's Rights, fail to enforce THE Federal Law in this regards, oh yeah what a victory! Yeah, like these black robes negated Montana's law against infusing outside money into their elections - like that you mean, you idiot.

June 26, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.

How many poor people write a check to Uncle Sam on April 15th? I'm not talking about what is taken from their checks before they get, I'm referring to those who actually cough up money on April 15th to the government.

Hatred, what hatred? Not only are you ignorant, you're just a mouthpiece for the left.

Enlighten me, what are Obama's intentions? Tell everyone on here what his intentions are.

June 26, 2012 at 3 p.m.
anniebelle said...

jAck dEnnis, Philadelphia is not nearly as sophisticated as this hick town, huh?

June 26, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.

Easy, tell us what 's in the heart of Barack Obama. Give us some insight. People like you sure seemed to know what Bush's intentions were, so give us a picture into the soul of Obama.

June 26, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Blonde,

Keep going. Tell everyone here how poor people don't pay taxes.

I don't know his intentions. That's the point. You don't either. Do you understand?

But please, tell us more about how poor people don't pay taxes.

June 26, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Gee anniebelle. Was it something I said?

June 26, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.

Yeah, Easy, the rich are living off of the poor in this country. The rich don't pay taxes, only the poor do. Whatever.

You don't know his intentions? You have got to be joking? You act as if you know him really well.

If words and actions matter, then I know him really well. If his history matters, and his past asscoiations matter, then I think I have a pretty good handle on him. If the last 3 and half years of him if office matter, then I have enough evidence to form a good judgement.

June 26, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Blonde,

I really think there is something intrinsically wrong with you.

"Yeah, Easy, the rich are living off of the poor in this country. The rich don't pay taxes, only the poor do. Whatever."

I never said this. It's a fabrication by you.

And I never acted as if I knew him. However, you are fond of acting as if you know Obama's dastardly plan to take over the world.

You're projecting. It's quite humorous.

June 26, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: For the love of all that's holy. Would you please give us a break on the "projecting" ditty? Google up another word du jour.

June 26, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Ummm... no.

Words have meaning. There is no limit on word usage. If you would like to give yourself a break, try a Kit-kat bar.

Happy trolling!

June 26, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.

Wow, a fair number of posts directly relating to the subject at hand.

Was anybody else disturbed that Scalia justified these laws by saying that Southern States restricted the movements of Free Blacks?

What is he thinking?

Oh never mind, he doesn't want Montana to have ITS STATE RIGHTS since Montana was planning to say no to corporate big money, but Arizona's ok by him, since they're just going to do some more minority oppression.

June 26, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
joneses said...

Did you people hear about Hussein Obama not wanting to return to the Bush years? Actually I think it would be a good idea as President Bush had a budget, unemployment was <5%, President Bush only added .625 trillion dollars of debt per year versus Hussein Obama adding 1.71 trillion dollars of debt per year, President Bush did not give 50 billion dollars of taxpayer money to the UAW/Government Motors, President Bush did not apologize to our enemies or bow to them showing submission, President Bush did not approve of the actions by the communist leader Hugo Chavez, President Bush did not attempt to hand over 1/6th of the economy to the government through an illegal socialized health care bill, President Bush did not patronize known terrorist like the Weather Underground Communist terrorist Bill Ayers, President Bush did not spread class warfare through hate speech, President Bush did not attack the Catholic Church, president Bush did not disrespect Israel, Great Britain, Poland, Czechoslovakia and other allies, President Bush did not invite the terrorist group Muslim Brotherhood to the White House, President Bush did not let is wife take lavish vacations on taxpayer money, President Bush did not cancel the Space Shuttle making us rely on Russia for our space program, President Bush did not give the Black Panthers a pass for voter intimidation and for placing a bounty on an American citizen, President Bush believed this country was great because of it's citizens not because of the government like Hussein Obama believes. So yes I would love to return to the Bush years versus the Hussein Obama years.

June 26, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.
potcat said...

Hell,you don't have to take my word for it, fishy or not. I have no reason to lie, nor does the person who told me. Bankrolled by a person established in the U.S., well ain't that dandy, looks like they are being banked by the millions, bring the whole damn country over, after all we are becoming a country hell bent on destruction. If i'm wrong i'll admit it, OK.and i will find out the truth. I never called you full of crap and "if and i mean if they bought a Bait and Tackle" means you are calling me a liar. I would tell where the place is at but i don't want people to know where i live.

The Health Dept.has an Indian population having to be treated for TB. I guess i'm full of crap on that too. Why don't you go play with tulu,since you two KNOW everything.

I guess you are all for bringing in every poor refugee this country will insanely take and put on the backs of working taxpayers.

I am Liberal, but i'm for taking care of our own first!!!!

June 26, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Exhibit A: See Joneses post at 4:20 p.m.

June 26, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
shen said...

joneses said... President Bush did not give the Black Panthers a pass for voter intimidation

Actually jonses, along with your other lies, you failed to mention it was under the Bush that charges were dropped against members of the BPP. But we all can tell from how you word your posts that you're a dedicated limpbaugh follower. One that hangs onto his every word as gospel.

excerpt/guv: "The Department of Justice became aware of the incident on Election Day and started an inquiry. Under the Bush administration, a criminal investigation into the incident was started, but later dropped"

June 26, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
joneses said...

shen,

What a complete idiot you are to believe your God Obama can do nothing wrong and everything is President Bush's fault. You are really that stupid. We have heard it before, blame Bush, Republicans are racist, it is the wealthy peoples fault, it is the oil companies fault. You are an idiot.

June 26, 2012 at 5:57 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Easy - why do you call joneses post propaganda? Let's look at it by your link's definition.

"Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position". Does he influence your position? I doubt it.

"Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes". Have you seen this anywhere else today, and did it create a chosen result in your attitude? I doubt it.

"Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented". What did he lie about, and I know you wouldn't admit that it produced an emotional response from you.

Exhibit A: See Joneses post at 4:20 p.m. - a well thought out response to the statement from Obama that he didn't want to return to the Bush years.

Actually, I wasn't too crazy about Bush either, but those days seem pretty good now.

And shen, I could see Obama not making a big deal about something the KKK did like that now, couldn't you? LMAO

And what about joneses other mention of the Black Panthers publicly announcing a bounty on someone's head? I noticed no mention from you pertaining to that.

June 26, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "Hell,you don't have to take my word for it, fishy or not. I have no reason to lie, nor does the person who told me."

Of course you do. You resent people who do not look like yourself, or who are have differing cultural habits. Thus, you want to pass on your prejudices to others.

"Bankrolled by a person established in the U.S., well ain't that dandy, looks like they are being banked by the millions, bring the whole damn country over, after all we are a country of complete stupidity."

When it comes right down to it, what they do is none of your business. You do have every right to not do any business with them, if you so desire.

The source of the money that is used to purchase businesses in this country is their business. It will never be money that comes from your pocket or that of any other American, or handed to them from the Gov't, as you first alleged.

"If i'm wrong i'll admit it, OK.and i will find out the truth. I never called you full of crap and if and i mean if they bought a Bait and Tackle means you are calling me a liar."

I don't challenge your assertion that the Bait and Tackle was sold to someone of East Indian descent. The money used to purchase it was simply privately supplied, and didn't come from the Gov't.

"The Health Dept.has an Indian population having to be treated for TB. I guess i'm full of crap on that too."

I wouldn't know one way or the other as to how many people of a particular race are infected with Tuberculosis.

A quick check however, shows that in 2011, 3,500 Hispanics, 3,100 Asians, and 1,758 lily white people across the country received treatment for Turbuculosis. It's not a disease limited to just East Indians.

"I guess you are all for bringing in every poor refugee this country will insanely take and put on the backs of working taxpayers."

I look at the issue a bit more realistically. I could waste my time ranting about a bunch of stuff that I have neither the control to influence or to prevent, but instead, I choose to accept and to deal with that for which decisions are made without any input from myself.

In other words, it's out of my hands.

June 26, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
shen said...

joneses said... shen, What a complete idiot you are to believe your God Obama

Sorry, bubba, but have neither won nor worship any gods. Now, you on the other hand? Well, just reading through your posts reveals a lot about you. Anytime your called out you resort to attacks and more attacks. What does that say about you? That even you doubt your own words? From your very words it's obvious you're just regurgitating what you hear limpbaugh preach day in and day out. You've even coined some of his words and phrases.

June 26, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
potcat said...

Resent people who do not look like yourself or have different cultural habits and want to pass my prejudices on to others.

You have miss read every thing i've wrote, i am talking about America and immigration.

I niether hate nor do i have a prejudice bone in my body. Its a big earth and people have their cultures and countries which i respect. My Grandson is half black and my best friends are Cuban and Gay, i'm straight. You know nothing about me and i have the right to my opinion on immigration and you think you know it all and can slander me without a second thought, that says a lot about you!!!

You need to give it a rest.

June 26, 2012 at 7 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Too much viciousness on here. But, I swear, the lefties are much more vicious than the righties. I'm sure we're all in agreement here.

June 26, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Chatt_man,

Let's review. You have omitted key words. You're argument is ignorant.

"Propaganda is a form of communication that IS AIMED AT INFLUENCING the attitude of a community toward some cause or position".

That was Joneses aim.

"Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media IN ORDER TO A CREATE the chosen result in audience attitudes".

I have seen other propaganda from Joneses and he uses his rhetoric in order to create a chosen attitude.

"Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or USES LOADED MESSAGES TO PRODUCE AN EMOTIONAL RATHER THAN RATIONAL RESPONSE to the information presented".

Joneses is trying to get a rise out of us. And the information was presented out of context, intentionally skewed to make Bush sound good.

Either you don't understand "propaganda" or you are ignorant. Or both, I guess. Joneses has presented nothing but empty rhetoric. He is an Obama basher. He views everything Obama does as bad and anything a Republican does as good. You even admitted that you weren't a fan of Bush. I would guess that you are a Republican, why don't you have the same man-crush on Bush as Joneses?

June 26, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

I think we can all agree that your posts are lame and rarely on topic.

June 26, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I'm projecting.

June 26, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

And Easy, I think most would agree that you are gigantically FOS. With respect, of course.

June 26, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

It's flattering that you think I care but, as usual, your opinion of me is patently meaningless.

I provided a link so that you can fully understand my true thoughts on any and everything you say.

http://twelve16.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/avatar_3414.jpg

Pleasant trolling!

June 26, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Let's be clear, Ease. I've never, and will never, click on one of your lame links.

June 26, 2012 at 10:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Are you too chicken? If you've never clicked on them, then how can you discredit them? Who is FOS now? Jack the Troller!!!

June 26, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.

Nothing frosts a lefty more than a woman who is not a lefty.

June 26, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Wow Jack, I don't think there's many on this site that can "project" any more hatred than Easy has been. When you waller with the pigs, all you get is muddy.

Great line, Jack...you're projecting. LMAO

June 26, 2012 at 10:44 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Chattman,

You need to read up on "psychological projection". It appears you have no clue what it means.

And I think you missed a spot while you were kissing Jack's ass. Don't sandbag on Ol' Jack.

June 26, 2012 at 10:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

See what I mean, Chattman? They're vicious. And it's gonna get worse. With NOTHING to run on, the lefties will intensify the bogus "war on women", Repubs are all racists, etc.....It's a despicable strategy, but they got nothing left.

June 26, 2012 at 11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Well, just pout about it! Don't whine for too long. You have trolling to do.

June 26, 2012 at 11:12 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "I niether hate nor do i have a prejudice bone in my body. Its a big earth and people have their cultures and countries which i respect. My Grandson is half black and my best friends are Cuban and Gay, i'm straight."

Okey Dokey. If you say so.

I can only go on what you have posted today, and apparently you hold some rather questionable prejudices regarding people who come here from other countries, for you have expressed several of those prejudices today.

You think that Tuberculosis in America is attributable to the presence of East Indians. You think that "Middle Eastern, India, China, Paki, Africa, Iraq, Iran ETC" are brought here as "refugees" and them and all of their families wind up "on the dole."

That's not true for all people who fall into those groups you mention either, but it would be true to say that there are people from several countries who have been extended refugee status, who are brought to the United States, and who have received public assistance by the Gov't until they get on their feet.

None of them have been extended grants or loans by the Gov't to put themselves into business or any tax breaks not extended to any American citizen. Refugees receive temporary funds to provide necessities, to house and feed themselves, and job placement assistance and/or training.

"You know nothing about me and i have the right to my opinion on immigration and you think you know it all and can slander me without a second thought, that says a lot about you!!!"

You are right that you are entitled to your opinion, but you do not have a right to present stated facts that are simply not true, and your claim that an East Indian bought a store with Gov't (taxpayer) money could never be true, no matter what. It's a myth, plain and simple.

"You need to give it a rest."

Fair enough. Look at my first response. I tried to be very nice to you. It was never my intent to have this degenerate into a full-blown argument.

You, on the other hand, need to quit telling tall tales that you present as being factual in nature, when you do not know them to be 100% true, and can prove them to be indeed, facts.

June 27, 2012 at 12:45 a.m.

"you do not have a right to present stated facts that are simply not true"

Are you kidding me? Who the heck do you think you are, Alprova? He most certainly does have a right to present anything he wants, whether it's correct or not. It's called free speech. You don't have to listen or give it your time, but he most certainly does have a right.

Boy, do you have an overblown view of yourself and your presence in here. Wow

June 27, 2012 at 1:01 a.m.
Easy123 said...

blonde,

You are correct. Anyone has the right to present anything they want. However, Alprova and anyone else on here has the right to call them out on any lies or misinformation presented.

Speaking of overblown view of ones self. Have you evaluated your own psyche lately?

June 27, 2012 at 1:06 a.m.

Great, now we have more people asserting the right to make non-factual statements and even outright lies.

Thanks for sharing where you stand, blondebutnotdumb, apparently you believe the right to deceive in speech is justified.

Now that's an overblown view.

Sure, nobody's going to charge anybody with perjury for lying here, but you can be challenged on what you say, right?

But it seems you don't like it when others respond, so aren't you taking away the right of free speech that is involved with responding?

Or is the logic that the right to lie trumps the right to respond?

Your values seem skewed to me.

Ah hell, if ever I needed justification, you just provided it.

June 27, 2012 at 1:06 a.m.

I'm getting tired of you, Easy and other lefties on here slapping labels like xenophobe and racist on anyone who disagrees with Obama's stance on illegal aliens and our borders.

You're phony, as is Obama. He's willing to spit on the Constitution, weaken our borders even more, and harm citizens, all for the sake of possibly getting more "Mexican American" votes.

I'll say it again, you're the racists for believing all people of Mexican ancestry think alike and are ok with lawlessness. You're disgracefu.

June 27, 2012 at 1:15 a.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote: "Nothing frosts a lefty more than a woman who is not a lefty."

Is that your opinion, or are you presenting it as a statement of fact?

Either way, you have no evidence whatsoever that can be used to substantiate such a statement.

You are not afforded a glimpse into the minds of any or all people who lean left in terms of their personal, political belief(s).

And because you cannot read people's thoughts, and because there exists no evidence that people who differ in political belief contrary to your own, collectively and personally express any such sentiment as a matter of routine, any claim on your part that "lefty's" hold any disdain toward women who are not left-leaning, your opinion or presented fact is totally baseless and without merit.

Given the typical posting content that you offer in here, as a matter of routine, I could more than justify stating that you have trouble understanding why there are people who disagree with you in their opinions of the current President of the United States.

You're forever demanding people to justify THEIR opinions. How about a short statement from you, explaining why you think that everyone should agree with you and your adopted political beliefs?

What can you present that would convince me that I should return to supporting candidates who are Republican/Conservative, who are running for office or who are currently in elected positions within of our Federal Gov't?

June 27, 2012 at 1:16 a.m.

blondebutnotdumb, I think we're tired of you trying to avoid responsibility for your words and behavior by castigating others.

Are you going to stop your ceaseless attempts to present others as racists?

Nope. Instead you just asserted that people who are lying can't be challenged.

What does that say about you?

June 27, 2012 at 1:17 a.m.

Easy, you're ridiculous. I didn't say they can't be called out for it. Alprova said he "doesn't have the right" to present what he did. Astounding.

June 27, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.

So you're saying people do have the right to say things that aren't true?

You are sure about that? That's the position you want to endorse?

June 27, 2012 at 1:19 a.m.
Easy123 said...

blonde,

You meet the definition of xenophobic.

Weaken our borders? Wrong.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/deportations-doubled-under-obama_647286.html

You don't realize that all immigrants aren't "Mexican", do you? And all latino voters aren't "Mexican" either.

How will anything Obama has done harm citizens? Oh yeah, nothing.

"I'll say it again, you're the racists for believing all people of Mexican ancestry think alike and are ok with lawlessness. You're disgraceful."

No one believes that, LIAR. You have fabricated that lie. This isn't lawlessness. And, like I said before, all immigrants aren't of Mexican ancestry. Are you that dense to think all latino's are of Mexican descent?

June 27, 2012 at 1:22 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

en·force/enˈfôrs/ Verb:
Compel observance of or compliance with (a law, rule, or obligation). Cause (something) to happen by necessity or force. Synonyms:
force - compel

Tu playing an idiot in a recurring role. LMFAO

June 27, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

"Clarence Thomas replaces Througood Marshall ?? – Dunce"

What are you talking about? I never made any mention to either individual.

"BTW … how does all of this actually detail how the SCOTUS functions ?? - Numb Nuts"

I wasn't explaining how it functions. That's fairly obvious. Still dumb I see.

June 27, 2012 at 1:32 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

"I thought you just stated above that the SCOTUS “has leaned to the Right since John Roberts was appointed by Little Bush” and that “It's fairly common knowledge”

Since Roberts took his seat in 2005 wasn’t that after “Little Bush” was re-elected.

You’re a real piece of work … don’t you know it."

You haven't said anything here. You have backed up my claim.

June 27, 2012 at 1:34 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Tu,

Your chest thumping is amusing. So is your use of words like "azz".

I also enjoy when you feel that you have proven people wrong here and then attempt to boast about it... to yourself.

If your nature on here is any indication, you haven't owned any "azz" for many years.

I'll keep posting. And you'll keep looking like an idiot. I can tell you are trying really hard. Are you still mad? Don't let that cloud your mind.

June 27, 2012 at 1:41 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

I know you'll be up half the night giving yourself pep talks.

Puff up that little bird chest in the morning and get your self-help tapes ready. Might want to put your cats away and take a couple Xanax before you show up.

June 27, 2012 at 1:50 a.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote in response to my statement: "you do not have a right to present stated facts that are simply not true"

BBND: "Are you kidding me? Who the heck do you think you are, Alprova?"

Who am I? I am simply a person who encourages people to adopt a habit of separating their opinions from false presentations of fact.

"He most certainly does have a right to present anything he wants, whether it's correct or not."

I see. So, by your presentation of that statement, I am to gather you hold the opinion that people have a right to bear false witness?

"It's called free speech."

One may well have a right under the U.S. Constitution to relate untruths in this forum, but any right to free speech does not guarantee anyone a right to offer an untruth unchallenged.

"You don't have to listen or give it your time, but he most certainly does have a right."

But an intentionally or ignorantly presented falsehood does indeed capture my attention. I also consider it a constructive use of my time to correct potentially harmful and misleading false presentations, because people deserve to know the truth and knowing the truth helps stop ignorance in its tracks.

"Boy, do you have an overblown view of yourself and your presence in here."

That is merely your opinion, and not a fact, and as such, you have every right to express it unchallenged.

The Ten Commandments can be found in Exodus, Chapter 20 of the Bible. The Ninth Commandment prohibits the bearing of false witness against your neighbor. You can chide me all you want and size it up any way you choose, but my correcting misinformation presented as fact, when it is anything but, I consider a keeping of God's commandment that we be truthful.

"Wow"

Indeed.

June 27, 2012 at 2:05 a.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote: "I'm getting tired of you, Easy and other lefties on here slapping labels like xenophobe and racist on anyone who disagrees with Obama's stance on illegal aliens and our borders."

Woah...where did that come from? Who has accused anyone of being a xenophobe or racist in this thread?

"You're phony, as is Obama."

Opinions are not facts.

"He's willing to spit on the Constitution, weaken our borders even more, and harm citizens, all for the sake of possibly getting more "Mexican American" votes."

Didn't we cover this the other day? Not one person has come close to proving that the President has violated so much as one provision contained within the Constitution. The rest of your accusations are equally unsubstantiated as well, other than statements of opinion.

"I'll say it again, you're the racists for believing all people of Mexican ancestry think alike and are ok with lawlessness."

Huh? You typed that statement on June 26, 2012 at 2:50 a.m. You are the person who apparently believes that statement to be true. Not one person, other than yourself, has posted such a statement.

Your delusions of grandeur are fast becoming projectile weapons that you fire at others, presenting them as justification for shooting yourself in defense.

June 27, 2012 at 2:38 a.m.
potcat said...

Okey Dokey, if you say I'm prejudice Alprova, then it must be true, because you are never wrong.

I was wrong about Gov. loans for Aliens. It has been told to me by Business and other people. I have never owned or sold a business, so i believed them. As for Indians and Iranian's being bankrolled to come into the US and take over our stores and Motels should be curtailed, you call that prejudice, i call it common sense.

As for TB, i know the head of the Health Dept. and TB among the Indian population leads in every ethnic group in TN., but hey everyone tells tall tales on here but you.

If i'm wrong, i will admit it, but you are wrong on the refugee's only being on temporary welfare.

I am all for facts too, but your opinion is just that an opinion, but you want to call every thing you write facts. Pull up some link and its a fact.

Oh, you trid to be nice, yeah right. Try again, you arrogant fence straddler.

I got to go to work, i can't spend my life on this thread day and night looking things up to denigrate people,in which you seem to enjoy a little to much, get a life!!!

June 27, 2012 at 6:29 a.m.
anniebelle said...

I see BBOSD hasn't stepped outside her trailer park lately to see what's really going on in this country. Pity!

June 27, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
mymy said...

When the left calls Fox News Faux News and those that watch uninformed, I just LOL. It's obvious who the Airhead Obamacrats watch.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/06/26/cable-news-ratings-for-monday-june-25-2012/139318/

June 27, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

STEP 1: Get as many undocumented democrats as possible in the country.

STEP 2: Convince the American people that as long as they're here, it's only "fair" that they have the right to vote. (coming soon from a liberal near you)

June 27, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Tu,

I guess you didn't have anything else to do but read my posts. Flattering yet creepy.

I would compile a list for you but I'm not a sociopath.

June 27, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.

You conveniently leave out the part where I've said that's what the Democrat Party believes and is banking on. I'll say it again, the DemocratIc Party believes that all people of Mexican ancestry think alike and will vote the same. They believe American citizens of Mexican ancestry are ok with illegal aliens breaking into the US. They think they're ok with lawlessness, therefore they'll vote for Obama. That's racist. Why should American citizens of Mexican ancestry, who pay taxes, be ok with illegal aliens flooding into the country, and in many cases, commit crimes?

Just because they share a common ancestry?

Very arrogant and racist strategy pushed by Obama.

June 27, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The sociopath is the greatest person on earth; everybody else is making the mistakes. "So too the modern liberal sees the world as a place on which to force his own sense of internal identity. He reacts to the 'otherness' of those who don't share his political identity by trying to stamp them out".

This quote fits Easy like a glove!

.

June 27, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? Obama is an opportunist and believes all people of Mexican ancestry think alike, and will vote alike. in order to believe that, Obama would have to believe that American citizens of Mexican ancestry are ok with lawlessness.

June 27, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

anniebelle with typical southpaw elitist comment about trailer parks.

June 27, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The number of American adults who are in the workforce but are either out of a job completely or working only part time 'cause they can't find a full-time job is 17.8%. It's essentially the U-6 number in the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics number".

Such a wonderful job the MESSiah has done! Can't wait for four more years of THAT!

June 27, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Really. What's wrong with trailer parks? I thought liberals NEVER stereotyped people before. Tell us annie! What did you mean by that?

June 27, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Tu_: Ease once took a nite course at the YMCA in Psych....Between that course and Links101, he's trying to project as an adult.

June 27, 2012 at noon

Alprova, who believes he has the authority to decide who has rights and who doesn't have rights on here, and Easy, who just repeats what he reads on the Huffington Post, and hears on MSNBC, love slapping the race label on people in here. It's not working. You don't intimidate me

And Anniebelle, I'd rather live in a trailer park then live in your liberal enclave and have to endure all that feminist, leftist, elitist blather.

June 27, 2012 at noon
TOES02800 said...
    P2+ (000s)  25-54 (000s)    35-64 (000s)

Total Day
FNC 1,223 286 545 CNN 294 91 124 MSNBC 455 134 202 CNBC 171 54 97 FBN 68 17 30 HLN 209 80 123

So so sad:(

June 27, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
tderng said...

I really just don't get it. What am I missing? We have the technology and the unemployed manpower to build a solid stone fence 30 feet high 20 feet wide topped with razor wire and patrolled with armed personnel in humvees driving along the top.It could be built from the Gulf of Mexico all the way to the Pacific Ocean.It would employ thousands or more likely tens of thousands for several years and STOP THE FLOW OF ILLEGALS INTO OUR COUNTRY! These same people could then be used to shore up our crumbling infrastructure. Or they could begin working on our northern border.Once this is done we could begin to sift through the people who are currently here illegally and return the undesirable ones to their country of origin. And before you libs have a stroke the undesirable people I speak of are the gang members and other criminal aliens who are wandering around our country.At that point we could begin working on a way to help the rest get U.S. citizenship or work visa's.China did just this thousands of years ago,why can't we do it now?

June 27, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123: I would say that Tu_ owns your young butt.

June 27, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

I guess you didn't get that I was implying YOU were the sociopath for compiling a list of my comments. I wouldn't expect you to get it.

Jack,

I bet you know a thing or two about young butts, Jack (Sandusky, maybe)?

June 27, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
timbo said...

What a bunch of dumb ass liberals. You just don't get it. The Hispanic vote advantage Obama has will be dwarfed by the increase in turnout among the conservatives. A 5% increase in 50 % of the voting population is a lot more than 20% increase of 8% of the population. Obama is panicking and he should be.

We conservatives despise Obama and what he and his gang stand for. It will be a Romney cake walk.

June 27, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: I rest my case.

June 27, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "Okey Dokey, if you say I'm prejudice Alprova, then it must be true, because you are never wrong."

Oh I've been wrong before. I'm as human as you are.

"I was wrong about Gov. loans for Aliens. It has been told to me by Business and other people. I have never owned or sold a business, so i believed them."

People have been making this claim for years. There is not a shred of truth being told whenever it has been repeated.

"As for Indians and Iranian's being bankrolled to come into the US and take over our stores and Motels should be curtailed, you call that prejudice, i call it common sense."

Why? I happen to have met many of these people over the years, and have found them to be decent enough people, who come here for the opportunities that exist in this country.

They don't "take over" anything. They purchase businesses legally and lawfully and operate them to support their families, utilizing our system of capitalism just like Americans do.

"As for TB, i know the head of the Health Dept. and TB among the Indian population leads in every ethnic group in TN., but hey everyone tells tall tales on here but you."

What's your point? Tuberculosis is a disease that indiscriminately infects human beings of all races who come in contact with it. Tuberculosis has been present in humans since antiquity. In the year 2012, due to medical advances, it is a very curable disease.

The National Institute of Health reports that African-Americans have infections of chlamydia at rates nearly nine times higher than Caucasians. Should we "curtail" their presence in this country too as a means to deal with that disease?

"If i'm wrong, i will admit it, but you are wrong on the refugee's only being on temporary welfare."

Let's be clear. I stated that a minority of people who come here as refugees are welfare cases, long term. The majority of them integrate themselves into our society as productive people who find jobs, rent or buy homes, pay taxes, etc.

Now that is a verifiable fact. Look it up.

"Oh, you trid to be nice, yeah right. Try again, you arrogant fence straddler."

You're mad because I pointed out the simple fact that a claim you made was not true. Rather than to back off of your claim, you're still trying to hang on to it.

"I got to go to work, i can't spend my life on this thread day and night looking things up to denigrate people,in which you seem to enjoy a little to much, get a life!!!"

It was never my intention to "denigrate" you, nor do I believe for one second that I have done so by pointing out that what you offered was a bit of misinformation.

It's a shame that you are unwilling to man-up and simply accept and admit that what you related was done from an ignorant perspective.

I'm very sorry for upsetting you, but not for correcting you. I hope it doesn't ruin the rest of your life.

June 27, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Timbo,

Where do you get your figures?

You think 50% of the country is conservative/Republican?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145463/democratic-party-drops-2010-tying-year-low.aspx

Hispanics and latinos make up about 16% of the population.

June 27, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

Don't be a coward, troll! You're giving up just when I was getting started!

June 27, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
timbo said...

Whatever Easy....There won't be enough Hispanics to matter compared to the turnout of conservatives.

June 27, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
tderng said...

lol tu! Unfortunately the Mexican govt. doesn't want us to close our borders. It would cut off the biggest flow of money into their economy.

June 27, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
alprova said...

BBND wrote: "You conveniently leave out the part where I've said that's what the Democrat Party believes and is banking on."

What could you possibly be basing it on? It's YOUR statement, made completely up off the top of your head and you project it as if it were some imaginary truth.

You can't begin to speak to what the Democrat Party believes or is banking on. Therefore, it is a shameful lie.

"I'll say it again, the DemocratIc Party believes that all people of Mexican ancestry think alike and will vote the same."

Say it a thousand times. It is still a lie. No one with any sense at all believes that all people agree on anything or everything, or that all people who share a particular race vote the same way.

Thee are Conservative/Republican Hispanics. There are Hispanics who deplore illegal immigrants just like you.

"They believe American citizens of Mexican ancestry are ok with illegal aliens breaking into the US. They think they're ok with lawlessness, therefore they'll vote for Obama."

You're a broken record.

"That's racist."

Clearly, you know not the definition of the word. Racism is defined as the inherent belief that one race of people is superior to all others.

"Why should American citizens of Mexican ancestry, who pay taxes, be ok with illegal aliens flooding into the country, and in many cases, commit crimes? Just because they share a common ancestry?"

Hey...it's your claim. I have no idea where you get that idea from.

"Very arrogant and racist strategy pushed by Obama."

Really? When has the man ever uttered it? I'm sure that you'll have no problem at all in posting a link to a video, that backs up your claim with proof...right?

Tick...tick...tick...

June 27, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Timbo,

That might matter if it was a vote between only conservatives and hispanics. But, as you probably know, it's not.

Toes,

You can be a conservative Democrat and a conservative Independant. Check your link.

June 27, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Conservatives of all ilk are running, not walking, from Obama.

June 27, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

How do you know this? Your psychic powers?

June 27, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_LAWYERING_UP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-26-12-58-13

Obama's already getting his "they stole the election" team ready to go. Not a sign of a very confident man. They're panicking folks!

June 27, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

Baseless assumption that actually goes contrary to facts. It would appear that YOU are panicking. If it's in the bag, why do you care what Obama does?

"Republicans are building their own legal teams for the election. They say they're focused on preventing fraud - making sure people don't vote unless they're eligible - rather than turning away qualified voters."

Did you read that part? Guess not. Republicans are PANICKING!

June 27, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy, some of us "know this" based on life experience and keeping up with the news. Most of us don't live in a world of links and websites like you, sonny.

June 27, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

You watch Fox News. Therefore, you are less informed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

Life experiences mean nothing in this situation. How would life experiences give you any insight into what other people, which you've never met, are doing?

Links, websites, radio, etc. all fall into the "news" category. But, for some reason, you have something against the internet.

June 27, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

http://independentandconservative.blogspot.com/

This should sum up the independent conservative view of Obama. It's very funny shiznit!

June 27, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

It's a blog. It sums up one person's view of Obama.

June 27, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Easy. Show us just one top rated liberal news channel. One top rated liberal talk radio station. I've posted the recent ratings of all major news sources above. And from that I deduce that most liberals don't even WATCH the news at all! Surfing liberal websites and hearing sermons to your choir all day does NOT constitute being informed.

June 27, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

High ratings has nothing to do with presenting facts, good reporting or being informed. As you can see from this study:

http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

Actually, not watching the news will mean you are at least more informed than someone that watches Fox News. That is in the study as well.

If you watch Fox News, you are more uninformed than someone that watches no news at all. And the funny part about it is, you actually think you are and everyone else isn't!

June 27, 2012 at 1:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Also, I often watch PMSNBC and it's a rarity if ever at all that I see a conservative point of view. Yet FOX often has liberal points of view such as Bob Becket, Alan Colmes etc....And don't give me that Scarborough crap, we all know where he's at.

June 27, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The sociopath is the greatest person on earth; everybody else is making the mistakes. "So too the modern liberal sees the world as a place on which to force his own sense of internal identity. He reacts to the 'otherness' of those who don't share his political identity by trying to stamp them out".

This quote fits Easy like a glove!

I'll re-post this from above as it suits you to a t.

June 27, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TOES: Excellent post re little Easy.

Easy: Do you watch MSNBC? Tell the truth. You channel Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and Lawrence O'Donnell. Are these your news sources of choice? Honest question. And BTW, your statement that "life experiences" do not matter is the dumbest (in a long list) thing you've posted here.

June 27, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

You obviously don't pay attention when you watch MSNBC. They have conservative guests on every show. S.E. Cupp, Pat Buchanan (he was recently let go), Susan del Percio, etc.

You're Rush Limbaugh quotes only add to my claim. I'll repost it to suite you.

"The sociopath is the greatest person on earth; everybody else is making the mistakes. "So too the modern conservative sees the world as a place on which to force his own sense of internal identity. He reacts to the 'otherness' of those who don't share his political identity by trying to stamp them out".

Man, that was easy.

June 27, 2012 at 2:18 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

(scene...little Easy frantically searching for friendly links) Mwahahahahaha

June 27, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

I watch Rachel Maddow. I enjoy her program. I've seen The Ed Show a couple times. I've never watched any of the others. And no, they are not my news source of choice. I usually stick to ABC News as my main source for news.

You can think it's dumb but it's true. Your life experiences will not tell you that "Conservatives of all ilk are running, not walking, from Obama.". How could any life experience give you any insight into that? Please let me know.

TROLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOL!

June 27, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Troll = anyone that disagrees with your childish logic?

June 27, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

No. You meet the definition of a troll.

June 27, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Lets make it easy. Do you know of any conservatives that are flocking to Obama? Besides a few latino's, where are the masses running TO Obama? He's always had the welfare food stampers on his side. Will he run on his terrific record? Tell us oh great and wise one! What demographic will say, "Man! we NEED four more years of Obama"! What has he done to make us want more of?

June 27, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You made the claim. You should be giving us the answers.

June 27, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

According to you, you have all the answers. An Obama supporter such as yourself, You should know. After all your the most informed person on the planet. So as you supply all of the answers, I will bow to your great knowledge.

June 27, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

You have made the claim. The onus is on you to provide the proof now. I'm all ears. It would probably be more diplomatic to agree to disagree. But I'm open for any argument you would like to present.

June 27, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

No, I'm serious, folks. Obama paints a picture of every Hispanic as a lawbreaker. It would offend me. Well, hell, it already does. Because to me they're Americans. The whole thing is irritating, this identity politics, this assumption that people can't take care of themselves, that they don't want to take care of themselves, and "that they, because of skin color or the way their names are pronounced or whatever, there's automatic bigotry or discrimination. All these assumptions about the worst nature of the people of this country just offends the heck out of me. The way Obama looks at all of us, and only he and his czars and his administration are people that understand. Big hearts and all that. It's a bunch of rotgut".

Another Rush quote. Just because I can.

June 27, 2012 at 3 p.m.
anniebelle said...

tu_quoque said... anniebelle Broadcasts Some Funny Shist:

"Rush Limbaugh Off Air in Philadelphia Hannity was dropped last year."

Yeah it’s a bea-ach that Rush’s contract is running out the end of the month. Then he’ll be in some deep shist since he is dumping a lame azz AM station to be bundled with Hannity and Beck at a brand new powerful FM station.

We call that in legaleze, You're Fired! That's your only defense of that drug-addled, puss bag?

June 27, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Rush has 20 to 50 million listeners at any given time.

He broadcasts on over 600 radio stations.

He has over 18,000 companies that advertise on his show.

He recently signed a $400 million deal to keep his show running to at least 2016.

You can have 40 advertisers and Philadelphia. Big deal.

We call that in legaleze, KA-CHING!! You senseless little know nothing . Who's fired? Try again. Do some research toots, Rush isn't going anywhere. The war on Rush is over and you lost...BIG TIME!!

June 27, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TOES: Fems like anniebelle will never forgive Rush for stating the truth that Feminism was created in order to put ugly women in the limelight.

June 27, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES 02800 wrote: "Lets make it easy. Do you know of any conservatives that are flocking to Obama?"

Why would they be? Barack Obama has never claimed to be on board with what Conservatives seek from a candidate.

"Besides a few latino's, where are the masses running TO Obama?"

A more relevant point would be to say that with a few isolated exceptions, the people who supported him in 2008 are still supporting him now.

He's currently leading in every one of the swing states in the polls, which means that apparently, for now at least, there is sufficient evidence that there are indeed people other than Democrats who are more apt to vote for him than Mitt Romney.

"He's always had the welfare food stampers on his side."

Is that really a relevant statistic you just offered? The poor support Democrats over Republicans almost exclusively because they know which party is more likely to fight to keep programs that assist them in place, and which party is more likely to throw them into the water to sink or swim, if given half a chance.

"Will he run on his terrific record?"

On the things that as President, and that he has control over, you bet your hind end that he can and will run on his record thus far.

"Tell us oh great and wise one! What demographic will say, "Man! we NEED four more years of Obama"! What has he done to make us want more of?"

He ended (albeit later than sooner) the U.S. involvement in Iraq.

Took over the reins of the bailout for the U.S. automobile industry and scored a touchdown by preserving 2 million jobs.

Returned the U.S. policy regarding torture of prisoners back into compliance with Geneva convention standards.

Restarted nuclear proliferation talks with much of the rest of the world.

Reengaged in negotiating agreements and talks with respect to global warming and greenhouse gas emissions.

Eased restrictions on travel to Cuba.

Moved to close off-shore tax havens, including entering into negotiations with the Swiss Government to assist in the identification and prosecution of tax evaders and criminals who stash money there.

Closed tax loopholes that were previously exploited by corporations that outsourced jobs, and at the same time instituting tax breaks to corporations that bring jobs back to this country.

Instituted a moratorium, demanding that power plants produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources.

Closed the "coverage gap" further for prescription drugs through his health care reform plan, often referred to as Obamacare.

Ended prior administrations policy of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs.

The list goes on and on....

Visit http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/ to see an entire digest of the man's work as President over the past three and a half years.

He's been quite busy working on behalf of all Americans.

June 27, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Al, "He's always had the welfare food stampers on his side."

"Is that really a relevant statistic you just offered? The poor support Democrats over Republicans almost exclusively because they know which party is more likely to fight to keep programs that assist them in place, and which party is more likely to throw them into the water to sink or swim, if given half a chance."

Al, the dems should be shamed by creating the culture of the govt assistance, food stamps, etc. 40+ years of this has just about bankrupted the country. It's beyond me how any minority could thank the Dems for consigning them to a dependent status. Now they (dems) want to do the same with the hispanics. Here's hoping this grouping won't fall for the same ole shiz.

June 27, 2012 at 3:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Al, the dems should be shamed by creating the culture of the govt assistance, food stamps, etc."

Is that a fact? While we could debate the issue until the end of time, people who have your take on the situation have probably never had to worry where your next meal was going to come from, or where you were going to lay your head down at night, or have had to endure the utter frustration of being turned down for a decent job over and over and over.

I haven't either, but the difference between you and myself, is that I know that there is a reality that exists for many poor people, where they have no hope or have ever been extended many of the opportunities in life that most of us take for granted.

Yes, there are many who milk the system and who choose to remain in poverty. But most people in that circumstance are prevented from taking steps to rise up and lift themselves into a better life.

You're not a female with two or three small children, who of course made an error in judgment and became pregnant, but it takes two to tango, and there are many men across this nation who made the same error in judgment, but who are not saddled with the consequences of their decisions.

Then you have the disabled, the elderly, the ill and infirmed, those with mental problems, spouses who have died, been killed, or who have abandoned their families. There are all kinds of situations that people fall into, where they cannot help themselves and where assistance is necessary and the right thing to do.

Public assitance should never be permanent or without reviews being conducted on a regular basis to determine whether or not people are doing all they can do to be self-sufficient.

"40+ years of this has just about bankrupted the country."

Not even close. Social programs amount to about 13% of the U.S. Budget.

"It's beyond me how any minority could thank the Dems for consigning them to a dependent status."

That's a totally baseless charge, and you know it. It's nothing short of a Republican talking point. Assisting people in need can never be determined to be "keeping them in their place," or any other connotation used to describe the poor.

"Now they (dems) want to do the same with the hispanics."

But of course, allowing them to stay without the threat of deportation, where they have been since they were children, many of whom have no concept of the country and culture where they were born, is akin to keeping them in their place?

"Here's hoping this grouping won't fall for the same ole shiz."

Say what you will, but given the tone of the Republican/Conservative cheerleading going on in this thread over the issue of Hispanics and immigration, I sure can't imagine any reason whatsoever that they would have for believing that the Democrats are working against them.

June 27, 2012 at 5 p.m.
mymy said...

Voters certainly knew enough about it to punish Dems in the 2010 midterms, with Obama conceding a “shellacking.”

Yet, if he felt chastened, the feeling quickly passed. Predictions that he would turn to the center proved delusional as he doubled down on a far-left approach to spending, taxes and the size of government. To this day, with America swamped in debt, the military is the only department he wants to cut.

Barack Obama doesn’t listen to anyone who disagrees with him. He sees his election as a blank check that carries near-absolute power and freedom from all restraint. Congress, the courts, voters, whole industries — if they are not with him, they are obstacles that must be crushed or circumvented.

Hubris, like dishonesty, demands an ever greater effort to distort reality. Hence the frenetic campaign to win votes by handing out government goodies. Instead of addressing the economy or any big issue of concern to most Americans, Obama runs as panderer-in-chief to a favored few.

Immigrants, gay rights, government unions, college students, blacks — his campaign is a micro-targeting exercise that slices and dices the country. He offers no solutions for America, only abuses of authority in exchange for four more years. Is there anything he won’t say or do to win?

“If something can’t go on forever, it won’t,” an economist once said. So it is with a president who thinks he is above the law. America has its limits.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hypocrisy_gusher_at_the_white_house_JuThbSB8pLAdVnEQfRHT7L#ixzz1z0IQaCiq

June 27, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

The study wasn't about Republicans/Democrats. It was about the source in which people received their news. And people that watched Fox News were the least informed.

"They asked nine questions and when you compare Republican to Fleabagger the Republicans answered correctly to all of them at a higher percentage than did the Fleabaggers. When you include those that lean Republican or Fleabagger you still have an advantage to the Republicans by six to three."

They counted it as 8 questions. K6 had two parts. (A&B)

And the Republicans/Lean Republicans DID NOT answer correctly to all of the questions at a higher percentage than Democrats/Lean Democrats.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/

Number of Overall Questions answered correctly (refer to page 8):

All 8 questions: Dem/Lean Dem: 12/193 (6.2%) Rep/Lean Rep: 5/188 (2.6%)

The "azz' whipping you speak of is a fabrication. Maybe you misread it or maybe you are just intentionally lying.

LMAO, LMFAO, numb nuts, loser, etc. You can pick which of your commonly used insults to place on yourself. I don't need the ego boosts that you seem to constantly require.

June 27, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
raygunz said...

TOES02800 said...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

REALLY?

You do realize that poll is 2 yrs. old right?

Plus, notice the word "Ideological-Group",which says a LOT!

June 27, 2012 at 6:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Al: You're either just parroting Dem talking points or just plain in denial. The Dem supported throwing money at the poor strategy is simply an utter failure. Other that pandering (successfully) for voters, it has not worked. Your points about the impoverished are correct. The point you seemingly want to ignore is that there's more than one way to address the problems...one way is more thoughtful and long-term; the other is throw money at it and seek voters. The latter has been very successful for the Dems. Not so much for the poor.

June 27, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.
potcat said...

Alprova, do you think you have the power to ruin the rest of my life over a disagreement with you??? Not likely!!! As a matter of FACT i went to the sorce today and asked some questions about Alien's getting loans and such and i retract my earlier statement about them not getting Gov. loans. They not only get Gov. loans and a 5 yr. grace period from paying taxes, they then turn the business over to a cousin after 5 yrs. and start all over again. I believe these people because they have actually sold and done plenty of business with them and the Indian's don't hide the fact either. Sorry but you are wrong!!!

I can tell you this,you can love the hell out of Iranian, Iraqi, Indian, Turk , Paki that come to America all you want,but you are the only person who i have ever heard say it in such defending terms. You better keep this crap you spout on this thread because if you started saying this sh.. in public, you might be tarred and feathered by the good ole American boys who work and defended this country and that includes hispanic's who join the Military. Have you ever seen an Iranian in the Army or a Indian, you want!!! Talk to a Military guy about bringing every ethnic group you can fit in our country and you will be ................. I have actually enjoyed myself going at it with the ALL KNOWING, and finding out you live in a bubble.

June 27, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

pot smoking cat,

"You better keep this crap you spout on this thread because if you started saying this sh.. in public, you might be tarred and feathered by the good ole American boys who work and defended this country and that includes hispanic's who join the Military. Have you ever seen an Iranian in the Army or a Indian, you want!!! Talk to a Military guy about bringing every ethnic group you can fit in our country and you will be ................."

"As of February 2008, there were 359 service members born in Western Asia and 826 born in south-central Asia.

Of all foreign-born active duty personnel, 359 armed services members were born in Western Asia. For example, there were 97 from Iran; 50 from Lebanon; 45 from Saudi Arabia; 40 from Israel; 32 from Iraq; 29 from Jordan; 28 from Kuwait; and 13 from Syria.

From south-central Asia, for instance, there were 390 foreign born from India; 125 from Pakistan; 69 from Bangladesh; 49 from Nepal; and 27 from Afghanistan."

http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=683

You and whichever 'good ol' boys' are idiots if they believe the way you do. You have told an outright lie. Immigrants fight in every branch of the United States armed forces. You and your 'good ole American boys' aren't entitled to anything. You just happened to be born in America. It is only by sheer luck that you were born in this great country. How dare you attempt to belittle these other ethnicities. How dare you attempt to discredit or deny their service to the United States. You deserve to be tarred and feathered for your ignorance, bigotry, and xenophobia.

Everyone deserves to live in whichever country, state, etc. they choose. You are entitled to nothing because you were born in America. What location your mother's uterus happened to be when you came out of it is a fluke. You live in a bubble. The smallest, most ignorant little bubble ever conceived by a human mind.

June 27, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
potcat said...

No they do not deserve to live in any country they want, you fool. Wow, you people need to get out more and quit trying to ruin this country. You and Al stay in your ignorant bubble, because the American people do not agree with you and thats a fact.

These good ole boys keep your electric, water and every kind of work one can imagine going. They don't sit at a computer all day like you and AL telling outright lies and don't pull up the links, they mean nothing.

You lost the fight idiot when you called me pot smoking cat, you don't have a clue.

June 27, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

crack smoking cat,

"You and Al stay in your ignorant bubble, because the American people do not agree with you and thats a fact."

Where is your proof? Did you poll them? We are all immigrants or related to immigrants. Unless you are a Native American.

"These good ole boys keep your electric, water and every kind of work one can imagine going."

So does any other person of any other ethnicity. I guess you think everyone that works for the EPB, water company, etc. is a "good ole boy". How narrow-minded of you.

"They don't sit at a computer all day like you and AL telling outright lies and don't pull up the links, they mean nothing."

You are sitting at a computer as well. You are the liar. I pointed that out and proved it with my last post. And the links mean everything as well as disprove your claims. Your opinion, however, means nothing AND is completely fictitious.

"You lost the fight idiot when you called me pot smoking cat, you don't have a clue."

Is this backwards day or something? I pointed out your lie and you won't even admit to it. You must be on some type of illicit drug or mentally deficient to believe and say the things you have posted on here. You, sir, are the epitome of clueless; ignorant, misinformed, and xenophobic as well.

June 27, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "As a matter of FACT i went to the sorce today and asked some questions about Alien's getting loans and such and i retract my earlier statement about them not getting Gov. loans."

"They not only get Gov. loans and a 5 yr. grace period from paying taxes, they then turn the business over to a cousin after 5 yrs. and start all over again. I believe these people because they have actually sold and done plenty of business with them and the Indian's don't hide the fact either. Sorry but you are wrong!!!"

It isn't happening, regardless of what your "sorce" says. The U.S Gov't does not loan money to East Indians for the purpose of buying so much as a paper bag, nor are they extended special tax breaks for so much as one day.

I can't prove a negative, or in this case, something that isn't happening. However, if it were indeed going down as you claim, you should have no trouble finding and posting links to prove that it is.

So, if you will, please post a link to the Gov't website that outlines the Gov't program that allows East Indians, or people of any other nationality, to apply to the U.S, Gov't for these mythical loans.

Then please post the link to the proper IRS publication that describes this mythical tax exemption and the relevant lines on form 1040, or on form Schedule C, or the special tax form that allows anyone of East Indian descent, or again any other nationality, to file for an exemption to pay any taxes not afforded anyone else, for any length of time.

"I can tell you this,you can love the hell out of Iranian, Iraqi, Indian, Turk , Paki that come to America all you want,but you are the only person who i have ever heard say it in such defending terms."

What's your problem? Do you not love the aroma of curry powder?

"You better keep this crap you spout on this thread because if you started saying this sh.. in public, you might be tarred and feathered by the good ole American boys who work and defended this country and that includes hispanic's who join the Military."

Oh my...I'm quaking in my bedroom slippers.

"Have you ever seen an Iranian in the Army or a Indian, you want!!!"

I'm sure there are many of them. Here...read it for yourself;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ravi-chaudhary/a-great-day-to-be-an-amer_b_871748.html

"Talk to a Military guy about bringing every ethnic group you can fit in our country and you will be ................. I have actually enjoyed myself going at it with the ALL KNOWING, and finding out you live in a bubble."

You're clearly a very bigoted individual, in complete denial of your bigotry, and quite guilty of passing on some rather old, but nonetheless false and mythical assertions.

I look forward to those links to proof that I asked for. As soon as you supply them, you'll have my apologies for challenging you in short order.

Hurry now...I'm holding my breath.

June 27, 2012 at 7:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy is creeping closer and closer to the edge.

June 27, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack,

I'm just going to ignore what you say from now on. I have yet to read anything on topic from you. Nothing you say is about the cartoon, the topic, etc. You attempt personal attacks because you have nothing intelligent to say. All you ever do is get people off topic. I'd much rather have intelligent, meaningful conversation/debate than attempt to address your stupid posts. So do whatever. I will simply treat you as if you do not exist in these threads.

And please, troll safely.

June 27, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy, sorry to hear that. Really enjoyed pulling your little, young, chain.

June 27, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

The Republicans/Lean Republicans DID NOT answer correctly to all of the questions at a higher percentage than Democrats/Lean Democrats.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/

Number of Overall Questions answered correctly (REFER TO PAGE 8):

All 8 questions: Dem/Lean Dem: 12/193 (6.2%) Rep/Lean Rep: 5/188 (2.6%)

It doesn't agree with it at all. You are trying to interpret the data to suite your own ideas. The data is clear.

June 27, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
alprova said...

polcatwrote: "You and Al stay in your ignorant bubble, because the American people do not agree with you and thats a fact."

I assure you Sir, that it is not I who is being totally ignorant here.

You do not begin to speak for nor are you in any position to know what the American people agree or disagree with.

"These good ole boys keep your electric, water and every kind of work one can imagine going."

Huh? The last time I checked, the U.S. military was not in charge of operating EPB or the agency that bills me for my water.

"They don't sit at a computer all day like you and AL telling outright lies and don't pull up the links, they mean nothing."

I suggest that you get busy proving that I am a liar.

Here...I'll guide you in the right direction on both points;

http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/Benefits.shtml#Grants,_Loans,_and_Unclaimed_Money

http://www.irs.gov

I've already told you that you are free to believe whatever you desire. Just don't think for one second that you're going to pass of misinformation as facts, when they are not.

June 27, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
potcat said...

Misinfomed, okey dokey bubble boy. I've got to go to bed and be at work at 5 AM and talk to all the misinformed Americans that does'nt have the luxury of staying on the net 24/7 and pulling sh.. out of their misinformed linked ass.

Easy, you have proved nothing, you ignorant fool.

June 27, 2012 at 8:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tu,

There is a chart showing the statistics on how many people answered 0-8 questions correctly. I have already disclosed those numbers. Yet you still try to argue. Refer to page 8 for proof.

You are still wrong. And yet you keep thumping your little chest like you have done something. Oh well. It's pointless trying to argue with someone like you. You're lost in your own self-absorbed little world.

June 27, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

pottycat,

Your brain can't comprehend the facts or truth that are directly in front of you.

Are you mad? :)

June 27, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy lives in the nether-world of links & sites. No real-world experience. Probably eats scones at Starbucks.

June 27, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "Misinfomed, okey dokey bubble boy. I've got to go to bed and be at work at 5 AM and talk to all the misinformed Americans that does'nt have the luxury of staying on the net 24/7 and pulling sh.. out of their misinformed linked ass."

All ya' gotta do is post links to proof that there is such a thing as a Gov't loan program for East Indian immigrants to help them buy businesses in this country, and the relevant IRS information proving that they are given tax breaks not given to any U.S. citizen.

If such evidence existed, it should take you less than five minutes to find it, and then copy and paste the links.

Tick...Tick...Tick...

June 27, 2012 at 9:31 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al said Woah...where did that come from? Who has accused anyone of being a xenophobe or racist in this thread?

Since you made this post Easy has said the following to PotCat

Easy said to Potcat on June 27 at7:06pm: You deserve to be tarred and feathered for your ignorance, bigotry, and xenophobia

Easy said to Potcat on June 27 at 7:47pm "You, sir, are the epitome of clueless; ignorant, misinformed, and xenophobic as well."

Al, are you going to call out your Little Chicken Hawk on this?

June 27, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rick1,

Would you like me to point out the instances where PottyKitten met these definitions?

June 27, 2012 at 11:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy can throw it out, but can't take it. Coward of the county.

June 27, 2012 at 11:43 p.m.
alprova said...

"Al said Woah...where did that come from? Who has accused anyone of being a xenophobe or racist in this thread?"

"Since you made this post Easy has said the following to PotCat"

"Easy said to Potcat on June 27 at7:06pm: You deserve to be tarred and feathered for your ignorance, bigotry, and xenophobia"

"Easy said to Potcat on June 27 at 7:47pm "You, sir, are the epitome of clueless; ignorant, misinformed, and xenophobic as well.""

"Al, are you going to call out your Little Chicken Hawk on this?"

Absolutely not. Easy is 100% correct in his use of the word to describe potcat.

Xen0phobia - an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Here are the highlights;

"I don't care one hoot about a Mexican being in this country. I do care about Middle Eastern, India,China, Paki, Africa, Iraq, Iran ETC."

"The Health Dept.has an Indian population having to be treated for TB. I guess i'm full of crap on that too."

"As for TB, i know the head of the Health Dept. and TB among the Indian population leads in every ethnic group in TN"

"I can tell you this,you can love the hell out of Iranian, Iraqi, Indian, Turk , Paki that come to America all you want,but you are the only person who i have ever heard say it in such defending terms. You better keep this crap you spout on this thread because if you started saying this sh.. in public, you might be tarred and feathered by the good ole American boys who work and defended this country and that includes hispanic's who join the Military. Have you ever seen an Iranian in the Army or a Indian, you want!!! Talk to a Military guy about bringing every ethnic group you can fit in our country and you will be ................."

"No they do not deserve to live in any country they want, you fool."

If you don't see a classic case of xenophobia being expressed, or if you happen to agree with what he typed, then you might have a touch of xenophobia too.

June 27, 2012 at 11:57 p.m.
anniebelle said...

jack dennis says: "anniebelle with typical southpaw elitist comment about trailer parks." For some mistaken reason, I thought all on here were adults. I meant that mentally, not physically. I have no idea where she actually resides. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you are all in close proximity to a computer, so use what limited skills you have to your advantage. There are lots of news sources that give actual news -- Christian Science Monitor, Democracy Now, Fortune Magazine, to name just a few. Put on your thinking caps kids and don't let this country be turned into an oligarchy. Some on here don't truly love America they just love the talking heads that tell them what to think and make them feel better about their own miserable little lives. In my 81 years on this planet, I have never seen such an uninformed, hateful, bigoted electorate.

June 28, 2012 at 5:31 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

If we're being nasty today, what'll Clay draw when the death panel kills his mother?

June 28, 2012 at 6:01 a.m.
anniebelle said...

see, there you go andy, repeating limbaugh lies. The only ones planning on killing your mother are Paul Ryan and his gang of thugs including mittens.

June 28, 2012 at 6:17 a.m.

The only Death Panels are the ones already making decisions at insurance companies.

You know, by denying coverage.

June 29, 2012 at 12:44 a.m.
potcat said...

al, everyone who knows me would get a good laugh when i told them what you called me..... that i have a unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers. They would of course ask, Who is this idiot, and i would have to tell them about you and easy.

I hate no one and have been told by people who KNOW me, that i never meet a stranger and will talk and get their life story in two minutes. My best friend, a foreigner and my Gay friends and half black Grandson would be shocked anyone would call me a hater and have fear just because of my and their own opinion on immigration and what Gov. breaks they get. Everyone in the town i live in believes this, including the one's who run things.

You slander me because i want back down and accept your opinion, because you are wrong. I don't even hate you, i just don't believe you.You are in the minority big time on this one!!!

Fear, now thats a good one, i fear no one!!!

July 1, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
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