published Tuesday, February 2nd, 2010

Tennessee: GOP's Ramsey says he's unsure of Obama citizenship

ERIK SCHELZIG, Associated Press Writer

NASHVILLE, — State Senate speaker and gubernatorial candidate Ron Ramsey said Tuesday he doesn't know whether President Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen, but that it's not an issue that voters care about.

Ramsey was asked after a speech to a Republican group about his views on the president's citizenship by Maclin Davis, a former state lawmaker and attorney for the state GOP.

"I don't know whether President Obama is a citizen of the United States or not," Ramsey responded. "I don't know what the whole deal is there.

"But I'm going to tell you something. When you walk out on the street down here, people don't really care about this issue."

Focusing on issues like the president's citizenship distracts from the Republican message on jobs, education and fiscal conservatism, Ramsey said.

"When we get off on sidelines like that, that's when people say 'aw,' they close their ears and don't listen," Ramsey said. "I'm not saying you're not right, Mac, I'm not saying you're not right — but that's not how you win elections."

State Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester was quick to denounce Ramsey's comments.

"Ramsey would rather pander to a far-right wing group of conspiracy theorists than govern in a pragmatic approach that most Tennesseans expect from their political leaders," Forrester said in a release. "Why in the world would Mr. Ramsey even entertain such a ludicrous idea when our state is facing tough times?"

Ramsey's main opponents in the GOP primary include U.S. Rep. Zach Wamp of Chattanooga, Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam and Memphis prosecutor Bill Gibbons. None could immediately be reached for reaction to Ramsey's comments.

Theories that Obama was born abroad abounded during the presidential campaign, even after an official Hawaii birth certificate was produced, along with August 1961 birth notices from two Honolulu newspapers. Numerous lawsuits and emergency appeals were lodged challenging Obama's eligibility to be president, and all were rebuffed by the courts.

The Constitution states that a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency. The so-called "birthers" contend that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a fake, and say he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Davis, the attorney who raised the question after Ramsey's speech, suggested that a lawsuit should be filed to force Obama to pay back the salary he has earned as president.

Even before responding to Davis, Ramsey acknowledged that he could be causing some unease among his political staff.

"I've got a table full of advisers sitting over there, and they'll probably start cringing right about now when I start talking about some of this stuff," he said.

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DraggingCanoe said...

The problem is not Obama being born in Hawaii or Kenya. It is him being an African as president.

One of our founders, Thomas Jefferson said:

"Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the wwhites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provacations; the real distinction which nature has made; and many other circumstances will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions, will will probably never end but in the extermination of one or the other race"

Jefferson never wanted Africans or blacks to be citizens of the United States. He wanted them freed and returned to Africa.

February 2, 2010 at 9:03 p.m.
rolando said...

Good Lord. Just what we need...a dyed-in-the-wool racist. One that see race in everything.

The issue of the President's birthplace is indeed the problem; it is so important it is on the US Supreme Court's docket with a second case on its way up.

We, the people, have never seen a true, signed, stamped, etc birth certificate of our president; actually, he has spent almost $1,000,000 of his own money to hide and prevent release of that certificate.

His very legitimacy as our president hangs in the balance...and he wants it shoved under the rug and covered up [alongside his college records]. One must ask WHY? What is he hiding?

This is most assuredly of the greatest interest to the American people...they are waiting for the mills of the SCOTUS to finish its grinding.

February 2, 2010 at 9:36 p.m.
daledubois said...

We know nothing about Obama, so it's his fault that people have bad opinions of him. He needs to show his records to clear it up, but more than likely he has bad records like no birth certificate and maybe not a US citizen. It's his fault that some people have doubts about him when he spends almost 2 million dollars hiding his records. If anyone thinks it's a normal thing to spend that much money to hide records, they also should be checked out by a headshrinker.

February 3, 2010 at 6:55 a.m.
CarlHayes said...

Anybody that believes that Obama was not (or might not have been) born in the United States is not fit to serve.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Note the date that this story was published on a top non-partisan political fact checking website. August 8, 2008; Updated November 1, 2008.

This clown Ramsey should be recalled. He is an embarrassment to the state of Tennessee. If he would publicly make statements like this, he isn't probably fit to clean bathrooms in the statehouse in Nashville.

February 3, 2010 at 7:48 a.m.
CarlHayes said...

To the birthers posting here. You make all Republicans look bad, which is VERY unfortunate.

Obama HAS provided his birth certificate. If you would like to see DETAILED high res photos of it (including the allegedly missing raised seal), simply click on the link below, or if you don't like links, Google Born in the USA factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Should you do one of these things, you will not only see photos of the certificate in question, but will be able to read transcripts of what the Republican administration in Hawaii has to say about the matter.

Then ask yourself who gave you the info originally that the birth certificate was NOT provided, and why this charlatan(s) should have anything to do with the Republican party.

What an embarrassment.

February 3, 2010 at 11:39 a.m.

DNC Chairman, Chip Forrester said: ""Ramsey would rather pander to a far-right wing group of conspiracy theorists than govern in a pragmatic approach that most Tennesseans expect from their political leaders...Why in the world would Mr. Ramsey even entertain such a ludicrous idea when our state is facing tough times?"

Here we go again with the lying. Ramsey neither said nor implied anything of the kind. I think he answered honestly, openly and judiciously. Yes, Virginia, he is running for office. He tried to answer to both sides of the issue, instead of wildly ranting, "Birther, Birther!!"

FYI, one of the people who started the whole question of Obama's birth was his own great-aunt in Kenya. She stated she was present at his birth in Kenya. Who knows the truth? Obama does and hopefully, this will wind through a Court of Justice, not the court of public/media opinion. As Ramsey said, there are more important issues on our platter right now to deal with. PS: If he is successfully elected, maybe Carl can clean his bathroom for him.

February 3, 2010 at 12:25 p.m.
RLamb said...

The problem is not where Obama was born. The problem is not his birth certificate.

The real problem is that he was born to a British citizen (his father)and as such cannot be a "natural born citizen" of the United States. He was, in fact, a dual American/British citizen until age 18 (his own website and the fact-checking website it referenced both state these very facts).

Why was this ignored? It was not hidden and, indeed, was admitted by Obama.

February 3, 2010 at 9:23 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Can we give this a break? We all know he is an American and if he's not what are you going to do about it, nothing. You can cry and moan, but all you're doing is showing your ignorance. No impeachment proceedings will begin, no congressional over-site, nothing but a distraction. DO SOMETHING! Get some proof.

Prove to me you're a U.S. citizen, and I will show you counterfeit social security cards, passports and ID cards. The exact same machine that is used to make military IDs can be purchased on-line. My 10 years old can make a fake birth certificate using Window Powerpoint. Even if you see a birth certificate will that be the end of it, no. Can we deal with more important issues?

Losers.

February 3, 2010 at 10:04 p.m.
daledubois said...

The nuts of America just had to have this ba$tard as their President. And if they voted more than once they were promised more money. Some of these people still think Obama is the greatest and some are pi$$ed because they never got their check. Not all blacks voted for Obama but if they were promised money they did. Lots of young stupid white people voted for Obama, mostly like the ones who post on this forum. It was mostly just a fluke that elected Obama and what fluke was that? Lots of people had grown to hate the administration before Obama, so they voted for Obama. As for Obama getting impeached, it will never happen.

February 4, 2010 at 12:06 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

daledobois - any proof to your statement or is it just a rant? If a rant, there is a different section for that.

February 4, 2010 at 6:26 a.m.
daledubois said...

Gonorrhea Lectim- The Center for Disease Control has just issued a warning about a new virulent strain of this old disease that can destroy one's brain causing permanent insanity.

The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim. It's pronounced "Gonna re-elect 'im." The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting one's cranium up their rectum (with their eyes closed, of course). Many victims contracted it in 2008 via very risky behavior ..... but, now a few people after having been infected for the past 1-2 years are starting to realize how destructive this sickness is and realize they could have prevented it using just a small dose of common sense. It's a sad disease causing a few good people to doubt their judgment, have hallucinations and occasionally fear their future.

Fortunately, it is so easily cured with a new vaccine just coming on the market called Votemout!

You MUST take the first dose of this new vaccine in 2010 and the second dose in 2012 and simply NEVER engage in such risky behavior ever again, otherwise this disease could become permanent and eventually wipe out all life as we know it.

A majority of a few states' infected residents volunteered to be given a trial dose of this new vaccine to determine it's effectiveness. So far the preliminary results have shown it to be 100% effective. Consequently, these residents are already showing very positive signs of recovery; like in Virginia and New Jersey, and most recently Massachusetts. Now, many more infected residents across the U.S. are seeing the 'writing on the wall'. So there is a 'glimmer of hope' of a brighter future for those in recovery.

February 23, 2010 at 6:59 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"State Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester was quick to denounce Ramsey's comments.

"Ramsey would rather pander to a far-right wing group of conspiracy theorists than govern in a pragmatic approach that most Tennesseans expect from their political leaders," Forrester said in a release. "Why in the world would Mr. Ramsey even entertain such a ludicrous idea when our state is facing tough times?"

Forrester is a dimwit pol. That isn't the only comment Ramsey made - just the one Forrester thinks he can get mileage out of.

Is Obama's birth certificate legit? No idea - nor do I care at this point. There's a lot we don't know about Obama's background - like transcripts. It doesn't matter now. Lots of people would have trouble proving "beyond a shadow of a doubt" where they were born.

This is just a stupid as the leftwing loons who think Bush blew up NY.

February 23, 2010 at 7:39 p.m.
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