published Thursday, July 29th, 2010

Division of Elections

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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codymaxwell said...

i'm on a tirade right now about this fool of a mayor we have--i sure wish you did city/local cartoons--but this one is as appropriate as anything i've ever seen. "goddam idiots" is not even good enough for these men. this is why i don't write about politics--i get too angry

July 29, 2010 at 12:47 a.m.
acerigger said...

If "the mentally incompetent can't vote in Tennessee"....then how did we end up with our current crop of DING-BATS in our state and local governments?

July 29, 2010 at 1:36 a.m.
codymaxwell said...

they're embarrassing--old south politics at work here--and they represent us? who the hell is supporting these fools?

clay--draw us a cartoon of barack obama text messaging a surpreme court justice trying to influence the outcome of a case, then one of littlefield calling judge paty--then describe the separation of powers--then ask the world what's the difference

July 29, 2010 at 1:44 a.m.
codymaxwell said...

ROSS BARNETT FOR MAYOR!

We kept beckwith long enough...

July 29, 2010 at 1:50 a.m.
najones75 said...

Clay draw a derogatory cartoon about a liberal, codymaxwell? Surely you jest...

July 29, 2010 at 6:04 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

"...whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.."--Matthew 5.

I spent 14 years in a mostly Muslim country. Our Saudi friends won't let their citizens leave Islam to follow Jesus Christ (or anyone else) under penalty of beheading; they don't allow any church buildings at all in the whole country; and Mr Bennett denies Islam is a cult? Jesus rose from the dead, but Mohammed stayed dead; take your pick.

www.lohr84.com

July 29, 2010 at 6:19 a.m.
EaTn said...

Politicians are like the old snake-oil peddlers roving the state in wagons. They know what they're selling is deceptive- they just hope their audience continues to be too gullible to catch on.

July 29, 2010 at 6:20 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

"...and along came a spider, and sat down beside her"

---LMM 1:1 lines 4 and 5

All religions are cults.

The mohammed cult is just continuing what the jesus cult are afraid to do... read all of their holey book, and act out in accordance to it.

If AndrewLohr really believed in his jesus.. he'd be first in line in beheading men, women, children and babies who fail to convert.

Probably aiming for sainthood, like St Patrick killing off the druid men, women, children and babies for not converting from their pagan ways.

AndrewLohr... do you touch yourself while thinking of Hitler?

Here are 6 other gods who died and were resurrected prior to the jesus cult.

Horus c. 3000 BCE Osiris c. 3000 BCE Attis of Phrygia c.1400 BCE Krishna c. 1400 BCE (or 5771 BCE per various stories) Mithra of Persia c. 600 BCE Dionysus c. 186 BCE

July 29, 2010 at 8:05 a.m.
quietreader said...

eeeeeeek, AndrewLohr states facts. You're not a believer so you don't understand. This venue has become so ugly I think I'll just go somewhere else. Giving your opinion about a SUBJECT is one thing. Calling people names because you don't agree with their view is another. How about keeping it civil.

July 29, 2010 at 9:10 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Religion should be completely separate from government, as we can never agree what is the "true" religion. The religious views of politicians should be private. (Today's paper has an article about Zach Wamp declaring his faith in God-I couldn't care less-he could believe in flying pink ponies for all it should matter) A Christian Theocracy would have the same attributes as Saudi Arabia's Muslim government; they both would deny others the right to believe and worship as they want. This separation is what makes us truly free, including the freedom to disagree. No religion has evidence to support it, so they are on equal footing.

It should not matter what religion your neighbor follows. Because of our constitution, Muslims will never impose Sharia law in the US. Jews will never impose their beliefs. Pagans can't make us participate in their rituals. Atheists can't deny the rights of others to attend church. The founders who wrote it could have never dreamed just how religiously diverse our nation would become; their genius is that much more obvious today.

July 29, 2010 at 9:34 a.m.
acomanda said...

Poor quietreader... It seems that belief is what makes a cult into a religion. Ron Ramsey just didn't go far enough. He should have put all "religions" back where they belong (into cult status). The problem comes with belief. When one believes one is correct it then becomes ok to squash, condemn, kill and obliterate the non believer. Let's call all "religions" what they really are... cults!

July 29, 2010 at 9:42 a.m.
acerigger said...

Good work in changing the subject,nothing "incompetent" about that! now,back to the question of why do people vote for these right-wingers and against their own self interests,take the religion/cult subject back over to Clay's "INTOLERANCE" toon.

July 29, 2010 at 11:16 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Stalin and Mao, who both outkilled Hitler, were atheists, so let's have separation of atheism and state, eh? Hitler only went to church once (after Pilsudski died) in the last 20 years of his life, so I don't consider him a practicing Christian. (There is, of course, lots of other evidence Hitler was more like Stalin than like Jesus.)

acomanda, what do you believe? If you say you don't believe anything, then you don't believe what you wrote.

ee...k, what's the historical evidence that any of the other resurrections you mention really happened? Read the New Testament--or if 250 pages of small print is too much for you, read one gospel and Acts--and read N.T. Wright's little book (under 200 pages) THE CHALLENGE OF JESUS. Base your beliefs about history on evidence.

And obviously Christians in and out of government can do bad things--President Bush ran huge deficits, and President Obama made them much worse--just as atheists can do bad things: Lenin, Pol Pot, even Ayn Rand (my favorite).

But looking at Jesus Christ, what gives you the idea that triune Jehovah wants His people to act like Stalin? Jesus healed, taught, persevered up with dimwitted students, died for our sins (can you top that for love?--choosing to die in the place of someone else who deserves it?), rose up alive from the dead (come out of your dionysian beer cellar and consider how Christianity got started: open your mind to the possibility that "Jesus or Hell" is the plain truth)...

As for politics, rising from the dead when the only superpower of those days had sentenced Him to die was and is the opposite of violently rebellious, but it did show mankind who the Only Superpower is. Jesus on earth avoided politics, having other things to do in His 33 years here, but when the politicians who trust Him (or claim to) humble themselves to seek His political advice, I think they'll find Him far more libertarian than most of them. (I refer you to my website, www.lohr84.com, for a few details.)

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"--Jesus. "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto those who are of the household of [Christian] faith"--Paul to the Galatians. Stop lying about the Truth. Why are you so afraid? Check out Jesus Christ and follow Him.

July 29, 2010 at 11:34 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Once someone starts quoting their fairy tales.. I will too.

Andrew, the other gods are just stories... like your own, a fairy tale that their own references are in their holey books and created by those who believe. No historical referrence.. no more than your god.

Now.. What's the historical evidence of yours other than your book.. Why wasn't jesus documented in the history books? There were around 25 known historians around the time of the Jesus! You would think a man who could create 'miracles' could walk on water, had all these followers and was brutally crucified, would have made t into the history books... Right? Let me guess, the bible mentions known people in history. Big effin whoop. Many works of fiction mention famous people, it doesn't mean the characters in the book are real.

Just because the famed Alchemist Nicolas Flamel was mentioned and referred to often in Harry Potter, doesn't make Harry Potter a real being.

"A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." – David Stevens

I'm not afraid of your jesus, any of the gods, the tooth fairy or even santa claus. I do have a little fear of nutjobs such as yourself that has one foot in reality and their mind in fantasy land.

I did scraped the back of my throat with an egg shell once, When that happened to you did you start to fear and worship Humpty Dumpty?

July 29, 2010 at 12:02 p.m.
una61 said...

Trying to stay on point. Do the current set of political candidates realize how irritating "Robo-Calls" are? I've gotten at least 1 from each of the major players and several from Wamp, Haslen, Smith, and Fleishman. They all use the "rags to riches" motif and their kids, shamelessly, in their ads. Zack is now apparently calling on God's support. I wonder if he, like Huckabee, thinks that the millions of species living today were divinely and uniquely created?

July 29, 2010 at 1:02 p.m.
redbearded said...

Obviously the mentally incompetent can vote in the national elections...I direct your attention to our latest idiot-in-chief.

July 29, 2010 at 2:24 p.m.
acerigger said...

"Obviously the mentally incompetent can vote in the national elections...I direct your attention to our latest idiot-in-chief." who is trying to fix the mess left by our previous idiot-in chief.

July 29, 2010 at 2:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"Zack is now apparently calling on God's support. I wonder if he, like Huckabee, thinks that the millions of species living today were divinely and uniquely created?"

That's a good question. I can't imagine electing anyone that accepts a mythology (creation) over evidence-backed science. The more important question is, will he claim creation in order to appease the fundies regardless of his own opinion? Either is a red flag in my mind.

July 29, 2010 at 2:54 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ikeithlu, I thought evidence-backed science shows there are limits to breeding. (Soviet experiments in breeding people with apes failed.) So the notion that all forms of life descended from one or a few redically different forms is contrary to science. una61, we creationists needn't insist that triune Jehovah created every single species, only that there are limits to breeding (the KJV term "after its kind" is similar to "species," but not necessarily identical.)

acerigger, our current President inherited huge deficits--and made them bigger. He inherited high unemployment--and raised it with a "stimulus" bill that merely moved money around. Given that record, he's not fit to run health care or health insurance. If he's trying, I wish he'd stop. Vote to stop him.

ee...k, Josephus mentioned Jesus; Tacitus mentioned Jesus; Suetonius mentioned a "Chrestus" on account of whom there were riots; and if you want more footnotes, N.T. Wright's series on Christian origins has plenty of them. I've read 100+ pages of Marx, several by Ayn Rand, one book by Dawkins and several by Isaac Asimov, to name four atheists...have you done the basic research of reading the Bible, or the New Testament, or a Gospel and Acts? If not, which of us is more open-minded?

dewey60, Church and state are separate in the Middle East, but mosque and state are not, and that's a big problem, because no mostly Muslim country is very well governed; and no more Christian country is anywhere near perfect, but our average is somewhat better, because it is for liberty that Christ has set us free.

July 29, 2010 at 5:43 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

And newscasters today refer to Harry Potter, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

no difference.. just a passing reference of a tale that's being told

July 29, 2010 at 5:59 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"Ikeithlu, I thought evidence-backed science shows there are limits to breeding. (Soviet experiments in breeding people with apes failed.) So the notion that all forms of life descended from one or a few redically different forms is contrary to science. una61, we creationists needn't insist that triune Jehovah created every single species, only that there are limits to breeding (the KJV term "after its kind" is similar to "species," but not necessarily identical.)"

Andrew, this shows that you have a lot to learn about biology. Breeding apes and people is not possible knowing how they differ evolutionarily (they diverged from a common ancestor and they are too dissimilar to breed). There are pretty good books for laypeople (that's you and me) about evolution, geology, etc. out there. Learn some science. The evidence for an ancient earth and evolution of life on earth is overwhelming. If you would like recommendations, just ask.

July 29, 2010 at 6:06 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Andrew, lets take it for a given that there may have been a person named Jesus, (I have my doubts). What proof is there that he was a son of a divine being, other than some people saying it was so. Is that really all the proof you need to make an informed decision? How many other people have claimed divinity and had people swear its so?

Its amazing that the more improbable a story or lie, the more likely people will tend to believe its so. Logic and reason take flight in matters such as religion.

“That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not”

Thomas Paine

July 29, 2010 at 6:14 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Here are 6 other gods who died and were resurrected prior to the jesus cult.

Horus c. 3000 BCE Osiris c. 3000 BCE Attis of Phrygia c.1400 BCE Krishna c. 1400 BCE (or 5771 BCE per various stories) Mithra of Persia c. 600 BCE Dionysus c. 186 BCE

Username: eeeeeek | On: July 29, 2010 at 8:05 a.m.


eeeek that is good that you know a little history but you got one thing wrong.

Jesus is above a cult for he is the saviour and the son of almighty GOD !

In * Armageddon * you and the whole world will come to know this soon enough.

July 29, 2010 at 6:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

PS Most of the books are written by Christians, BTW. PPS I'm sure that there are books for laypeople on the world's major religions, too, and how to distinguish between cult (think David Koresh) and religion. Any suggestions, fellow posters? The one I can recommend is World Religions by Oxtoby (two books, one eastern, one western). Tillich's Dynamics of Faith will help one understand the difference between religion and cult.

This is about the point where canary will enter, both barrels blazing.

July 29, 2010 at 6:18 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I did scraped the back of my throat with an egg shell once, When that happened to you did you start to fear and worship Humpty Dumpty? Username: eeeeeek | On: July 29, 2010 at 12:02 p.m.


Well we all here can tell what religion you follow !

July 29, 2010 at 6:19 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Username: lkeithlu | On: July 29, 2010 at 6:18 p.m.


Thank you for that post and i will check that out sometime.

July 29, 2010 at 6:22 p.m.
FM_33 said...

1.Jim Jones Peoples Temple SF Ca

  1. Slivia Mind Control Cult

  2. Church Of Satan SF Ca

  3. Temple Of Set SF Ca

  4. The Mansons * World Wide *

  5. Skull & Bones * World Wide *


Now the question lkeithlu that i have for you is this

which ones are a cult ?

Which ones are a religion ?

July 29, 2010 at 6:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

all are cults, I believe

July 29, 2010 at 6:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

The major world religions are:

Christianity Islam Judaism Hindu Buddhism Sikh Jain Paganism

There are variations on these themes, and some who classify some of these as separate religions. As well there are variations on each of these that cross the line into cults, depending on definition. For example Christianity is divided into numerous churches, but there are Christian "cults" as well.

July 29, 2010 at 6:37 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

BTW, I am not a religion expert-I welcome comments and corrections.

July 29, 2010 at 6:54 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

Andrew said - "have you done the basic research of reading the Bible, or the New Testament, or a Gospel and Acts? If not, which of us is more open-minded?"

To Andrew The basic research by your criteria mentioned was done by the time I was in high school. I had the need to learn why people believed in what they did. I started with American Indian Spirituality, then went into jehovah witnesses and methodists, judaism, and hinduism, as they were the religions of my closest friends and families background. By the time I graduated in '82, I had a working knowledge of those and catholicism, protestantism, baptism, jainism and gnosticism.

By the end of my first year of service, I had an understanding of islam, samaritanism and zoroastrian religions... the latter because I was a Queen fan and had heard of it from an article.

I have taken the time to study theologies, to better understand. That would make me a bit more open minded on the learning of religions.

My wife is a believer and she knows I will never be one. Of course she isn't a bull crapper like some on here.

July 29, 2010 at 7:27 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

FM_33 Jesus is just a decent rewrite.. nothing more than a reimagining of an earlier idea.

And I don't follow a religion, but I do study it.

I do follow many humanitarian customs, but that's to help others.

"The only difference between a religion and a cult is that those in charge of the religions killed off the competition"

July 29, 2010 at 7:35 p.m.
acerigger said...

If "the mentally incompetent can't vote in Tennessee"....then how did we end up with our current crop of DING-BATS in our state and local governments? Username: acerigger | On: July 29, 2010 at 1:36 a.m. STILL waiting for answer(s)

July 30, 2010 at 3:47 a.m.
FM_33 said...

FM_33 Jesus is just a decent rewrite.. nothing more than a reimagining of an earlier idea.

And I don't follow a religion, but I do study it.

I do follow many humanitarian customs, but that's to help others.

"The only difference between a religion and a cult is that those in charge of the religions killed off the competition" Username: eeeeeek | On: July 29, 2010 at 7:35 p.m.


Ok

July 30, 2010 at 1:15 p.m.
FM_33 said...

all are cults, I believe Username: lkeithlu | On: July 29, 2010 at 6:30 p.m.


Ok

July 30, 2010 at 1:16 p.m.
FM_33 said...

BTW, I am not a religion expert-I welcome comments and corrections. Username: lkeithlu | On: July 29, 2010 at 6:54 p.m.


Cool because i learn something to when i am corrected.

July 30, 2010 at 1:18 p.m.
edrush said...

I just read this elsewhere: "I want everyone to have a gun. If I think that someone doesn't have one, maybe I'll fine them $10." -- Tennessee Republican gubernatorial hopeful Basil Marceaux

He sounds like one of the nutcases here in Idaho.

July 30, 2010 at 1:18 p.m.
FM_33 said...

I just read this elsewhere: "I want everyone to have a gun. If I think that someone doesn't have one, maybe I'll fine them $10." -- Tennessee Republican gubernatorial hopeful Basil Marceaux

He sounds like one of the nutcases here in Idaho. Username: edrush | On: July 30, 2010 at 1:18 p.m.


Sounds like a new member of the NRA......lol.... *

July 30, 2010 at 1:20 p.m.
FM_33 said...

A ballot says DNC the other one says RNC.

But the American people see this party sometimes when we voted in the past because sometimes we all have been pissed at the lame ducks that are running at the time........

LAE aka Lame Ass Election

July 30, 2010 at 1:25 p.m.
acerigger said...

Thanx dewey for running off the religious posters.now,can we discuss the products of the mentally incompetent voters in our town/state?

July 31, 2010 at 4:38 a.m.
SavartiTN said...

I'm not following why Dewayne keeps posting all of those YouTube links.

August 1, 2010 at 1:03 a.m.
jayhay182 said...

Is this cartoon trying to say something about Basil Marceaux?

August 2, 2010 at 9:41 p.m.
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