published Wednesday, October 20th, 2010

Party Poopers

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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LZSally said...

Couldn't agree more.

October 20, 2010 at 12:54 a.m.
hambone said...

The guy in the front of the boat is in shock at what is going on.

Too bad others don't see what he does!!

October 20, 2010 at 12:59 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

This cartoon depicts accurately the deep-seated dread I have for the upcoming November election. The Tea Bagger slate includes the most radical and under qualified candidates to ever appear on a ballot. And they are not only running for public office but stand a good chance of getting elected.

Here's my analogy: Say you have a rental property, a nice four bedroom house in a nice neighborhood, but you're having trouble finding a renter. One day a guy shows up, signs the lease, and moves in. Then you find out he belongs to a hardcore biker gang. Your rental house becomes their club house and after eight years of chaos the house is in shambles. It's barely inhabitable.

After you get them evicted and a new guy moves in with his family. He promises to fix up the house and make everything right again. After living there almost two years, though, things don't look all that different. He SAYS he made some structural improvements that were necessary and will save money in the long run, but overall the house doesn't look that much better.

Sure, maybe the repairs could be made more quickly, but would anyone in their right mind throw this guy out and invite the bikers to move back in?

That's how this election feels to me.

I'm perplexed as to why anyone would vote for Republican especially this year. GOP candidates are campaigning on privatizing social security and raising the age of eligibility to 70.

Their want to criminalize abortion even in the cases of incest and rape.

They want to repeal the health care bill, Wall Street reform, and the stimulus.

Here' a bumper sticker slogan I've been trying to market for the 2010 midterms:

Vote GOP! Let's Get It Over With!

On a serious note I'd greatly appreciate someone over there on the Right explaining to me what Republican candidates plan to do if the get elected. I know you believe Obama is a socialist, communist, Muslim, and a megalomaniac and the Democratic Party is evil incarnate. Got it.

What are Republicans going to do if they get elected?

How will they put our financial house in order?

October 20, 2010 at 1:08 a.m.
Livn4life said...

You really think you're funny don't you? I'd call it pathetic. We will see who America is listening to in just a few weeks. Who knows even you, draw boy may be surprised at how it turns out. No doubt the ones influenced by the first Boston Tea Party definitely were. We wait, we see. You draw and you are sad dude, sad!

October 20, 2010 at 4:28 a.m.
Francis said...

nice combination of fiction and wishful thinking, clay

"the most radical and under qualified candidates to ever appear on a ballot"?

sounds familiar...who could it be...

sounds like the man, and i use that term loosely, who's been squatting in the white house and soiling our constitution for the last couple of years, blackwater

"what are republicans going to do if they get elected?"

the polar opposite of what obama is doing now, blackwater.

you libs have your underwear in a knot because the tea party movement, not associated with any other party, and composed of an incredible variety of people, is hitting home with their message while obama, the jackass that he is, is being rejected like a cold.

you hate that the movement is peaceful, non-violent and is more popular than obama, even though he has the help of the liberal media.

you've had your chance, libs.......now get out of the way.

"perplexed", backwater?...more like delusional...

obama is a liar...blackwater, hambone and LZ..

which is standard mo for you libs. that's why he's been rejected. the american people have had a taste of what it's like to have extreme left wing libs in charge and they're finding it as obnoxious ad a pile of dirty socks.

October 20, 2010 at 4:43 a.m.
Francis said...

it's always good to see pompous jackasses, like obama, pelosi, reid, rangle, frank, dodd and the like go down in flames.

i'm really having a good time seeing clay bennett flail and thrash around, ..like a fish on the deck of a ship struggling to breath, trying deperately to drum up anger against the tea party and sympathy for obama.

sorry, libs...obama is no sympathetic character. he's a bully, a thug, a punk, a narcissist, a finger pointer and the least qualified man we've had in the white house.

and i'll be glad to see michelle, "i'll be damned if i'm going to waste this fabulousity reading dr. seuss to snot nose kids", obama with her bare arms in the air exposing her armpits waving to crowds while under her breath muttering about how her job is "hell"....

October 20, 2010 at 5:08 a.m.
Francis said...

and clay..you have it wrong..obama is taking apart america..not the tea party movement as you depict it. that's why he's getting his ass kicked. as he so richly deserves.

October 20, 2010 at 5:11 a.m.
hambone said...

By now it should be obvious to every one who has posted on this forum for any time that Francis has a deep seated hate for B H Obama. We know that both Obama and Francis come from Chcago.

So once again I ask, Francis please explain what your past is with Obama??

October 20, 2010 at 6:01 a.m.
ITguy said...

Francis, You spent three posts and 28 minutes to say nothing. Why not just offer some constructive solutions? I understand that the Tea Party wants to cut spending. OK, specifically what would you cut? You cannot make a serious dent in the budget unless you cut the Military, or entitlements. And buy the way, cuts to either will send the economy further down the drain.

I keep reading about how Obama is destroying our freedom. Please explain what you could legally do 20 months ago that you can't do today. If you can offer some examples, you might gain some credibility. As it stands now, you are just name calling across the play ground.

October 20, 2010 at 6:28 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Reid, Pelosi and Obama have blown up the deficit without growing the economy. Maybe they're the ones wrecking the country. Maybe the theory that liberal aristocrats should run the lives of ordinary people is wrong. youtube song: Are we better off now than we were two years ago?

October 20, 2010 at 6:34 a.m.
woody said...

Francis, you are pathetic..it's just that simple.

Now, as for Livin4life's comments...they are what is truly "sad." Oh, you are right, there are multitudes of people listening to your rhetoric. People without jobs, People who have lost their homes, People, who listened to the same sort of talk over a decade ago and helped elect a 'true group of inept thugs'.

I recall from my history lessons how well-intentioned people were once turned into lynch mobs (and usually) by the very ones who turned out to be the guilty parties.

And now, it is true once again, "...if we fail to learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it...."

Do what you will, Woody

October 20, 2010 at 6:35 a.m.
EaTn said...

If anyone has any doubt about the qualifications of tea party candidates, they only need to look to folks like O'Donnell and Palin who sadly are the best they have to offer.

October 20, 2010 at 6:43 a.m.
Clara said...

Did anyone else notice that there is no rudder and the boat is tied to a dock. They aren't going anywhere but down.

I was always sure that a third party was necessary, but I sure don't think it's the Tea Party.

Chaos!

October 20, 2010 at 7:17 a.m.
concernedjoe said...

What a distortion of the truth! Everyone knows it's Obama and his gang of thieves who are dismantling the ship of state!

October 20, 2010 at 7:28 a.m.
EaTn said...

Clara- a very good point. Most of us have felt that a third party would bring life into our political system and were hoping that the cream leadership from the other two would float to the top and take charge. I guess when your entire political system is a cesspool, cream is not what floats to the top.

October 20, 2010 at 7:54 a.m.
ITguy said...

ConcernedJoe,

Really, everyone? I didn't know that. Gang of thieves. What have they stolen? It was Bush/Chaney who held secret meetings with the Oil Executives to define the 'energy policy'. It was Bush/Chaney who set up the no bid contracts with Blackwater. Need I go on?

October 20, 2010 at 7:56 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thanks, EaTn. I just spewed coffee all over my keyboard I laughed so hard.

October 20, 2010 at 8:16 a.m.
mmlj said...

Clay, so glad to see you found another way to bash the Tea Party movement. It's been a while.

It's a good thing Francis posts, or many of you would have nothing to talk about.

hambone, is Francis' deep-seated hatred for Obama like Clay's deep-seated hatred for the Tea Party movement, Sarah Palin, et al? I know, I know...it's different because the president is always right, and the tea party and everything conservative is always wrong.

October 20, 2010 at 8:23 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Keep them coming Francis. If you are from Chicago then you know about that political machine. I'm 90 miles north of you. Your posts have nailed it, so I can't add anything more. To those who agree that there should be a 3rd party remember that party WILL NOT BE Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Rangle, Frank, Dodd, Boxer, Waters, and their ilk. So to those of you who back the above far left liberals are now out of the loop. Clay can draw all the cartoons he wants, but the Country is not going to buy the far left agenda any more.

October 20, 2010 at 8:42 a.m.
hambone said...

Interesting note: At Obama's Inaguration Cheney was in a wheelchair. He had hurt his back lifting a box full of left over no bid contracts. It also made it easier to hide his shootgun!!

October 20, 2010 at 8:55 a.m.
Leaf said...

Great cartoon! The guy in the bow is the original tea party member focused on lowering taxes and he's astonished at the angry mob that jumped on board.

Anger does seem to be the unifying theme of the tea party, whether the anger is over a lost job, black president, or the economy in general. Unfortunately things done in anger are rarely constructive. If the tea party ends up electing a bunch of unqualified politicians in anger we will all regret the poor governance that follows.

October 20, 2010 at 9:18 a.m.
chattreb said...

Hey, all they are doing is replacing the old rotting liberal Democrat wood with the new strong wood of conservative Americans, just like what's going to happen in November. Otherwise the ship of state might sink. Thank you tea party.

October 20, 2010 at 9:31 a.m.
OllieH said...

The common theme from the right-wingers here today, is that it is Obama (and not Tea Party) who is dismantling America.

Let's see...

  • Barack Obama wants to extend health care coverage to more Americans.

  • The president wants to extend civil rights and equality in the workplace to more Americans.

  • He wants to protect consumers from the unscrupulous practices in the financial markets, and the systemic gouging of the credit card industry.

  • He wants to move our country toward more renewable and sustainable energy sources.

  • He wants to improve public education.

  • He wants fairer taxation to reduce long-term national debt.

  • He wants to remove the stain of torture and arrogance from our nation's image, and extricate us from two futile wars.

Oddly, that sounds like Obama is building up, not tearing down this country. It sounds like he's trying to offer more to our citizens, not less.

Now, let's look at what some of the Tea Party Patriots support...

  • They want to cut taxes.

  • They want to address the problem of our national debt.

  • To resolve the contradiction between the above two goals, they will have to support dramatic budget cuts.

  • Like abolishing the department of Education? After all, we won't need it if we eliminate public education entirely (as some Tea Partiers propose).

  • To discourage illegal immigration, the Tea Party would revoke the citizenship clause in the 14th amendment to the Constitution, and gladly ignore the equal protection clause of that same amendment when it comes to racially profiling individuals who may look like illegal immigrants.

  • They want to repeal health care reform and deny millions of Americans a chance at affordable coverage.

  • Some want to privatize Social Security, virtually eliminating one of the most successful and popular government programs of all time.

  • Likewise for Medicare.

  • Some Tea Party candidates have called for an end to ANY abortions (even in the case of rape or incest)

I could go on, but when you compare the president's agenda to that of the tea party, it's quite obvious who wants to preserve and add to rights and privileges we have established in this country over the last century, and who wants to deny, abridge or eliminate them.

It sure seems to me (as depicted in this cartoon), that's it's the tea party that wants to dismantle much of what we have built as a nation.

October 20, 2010 at 9:56 a.m.
moonpie said...

Clever cartoon.

Ultimately, I'm not worried about this dismantling, though.

As the political pendulum swings back and forth, front to back and in circles I've heard people equally horrified by the election of Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama.

The sky is forever falling on someone. Until it stops.

If the Tea Party makes significant gains and wins seats and they are good at their jobs and don't embarrass themselves they may stay elected.

If they are the imbiciles that their detractors believe, they may be ineffective and out of office fairly soon. Or if circumstances don't allow their policies to blossom, they may be out. If they don't play well with others, especially conservatives, they won't accomplish much, either.

I think the American system of government can withstand a little remodeling of the ship. If they go below the waterline, that's when we stop being America and all of us sink. I just don't think that's going to happen.

It is comical, too, to see how some people believe not only has the political tide swept decidedly to the right, but that it's a permanent change.

It can be frustrating for those of us who think that positive steps have been taken in America only to have them threatened.... but this is how change goes.... in and out with the tide until a new terrain is created.... always subject to change.

(Ok. Zen moment is now over. Back to work, moonpie.)

October 20, 2010 at 9:58 a.m.
Hoppergrasser said...

Thought for today.

"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence and then success is sure"

-Mark Twain

(I have been watching the debates with the Tea Party people running for Congressional seats. This quote fits most of them.) :)

October 20, 2010 at 10:06 a.m.
Francis said...

hopper....that quote fits liberals like a glove.

ignorance of facts and history..devoid of logic and common sense.

you're going down...nobody is buying your bilge..no one.

you've been exosed.

abortion, ollie? like the most brutal form that obama backs?

you liberals love of abortion is downright goulish.

it's almost like a sacrifice to you....or at the least a litmus test.

nearly 50 million abortions later after roe v wade..and it still isn't enough.

October 20, 2010 at 10:27 a.m.
Shock said...

Francis, I'd love to hear a response from you to Blackwater's request for some specifics on how the conservatives will get us back on track.

I'll start us off - no more pork. The way congress squandered the funds from the stimulus package was criminal. Granted, in any given year pork is "only" about 20 billion and makes a small dent in the overall picture, but it's a start.

What else, Francis?

October 20, 2010 at 10:37 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Shock,

Just read OllieH's post under: "Now, let's look at what some of the Tea Party Patriots support..." This is what can be done to get our Country back on track.

Under OllieH's "Let's see..." This is what is wrong with our Country, which is Big Government. This is what the "Taxed Enough Already" (TEA) are against. I admire OllieH for standing up for his views even though I think he is wrong. He is one of the few that post here that has spelled out his Socialist/Liberal/Progressive/Statist views.

Moonpie, I agree with your post, well said.

October 20, 2010 at 11:24 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Moonpie, you make the most sense of all here. And I agree with your todays post 100%. All parties have problems and their problem children. That is why it is important to vote for the person, not for the party.

If there was a democrat with good moral values and shared my views with well thought out plans for our country, then I would not have a problem voting for that person. However, it appears that no matter what party you look at no one seems to fit the bill.

But Values should be a top priority in my opinion. Folks of good moral values tend to make the best decisions.

October 20, 2010 at 12:09 p.m.
softnotes37 said...

You have good eyes Clay.

October 20, 2010 at 1:27 p.m.
EaTn said...

nurseforjustice- a president with high moral values...Humm.. the one that immediately comes to mind was the honest and sincere Jimmy Carter, but the Washington political machine chewed him up like a pack of hungry dogs on a caught rabbit. I don't see anything much different today than then.

October 20, 2010 at 2:08 p.m.
woody said...

Francis has no answers, only mindless, baseless accusations.

And Chattreb, there were no Democrats back when the 'planks' were laid for this country to take the world 'stage'. Ahh, but everyone there was a progressive at heart.

They had had enough of the 'hierarchy rich' robbing from the poor while trying to make them all think "The Church" and English royalty would see to their needs.

Anything from all that sound familiar??

If all of y'all who keep trying to 'lay the blame' would spend as much time and energy trying to help fix the problem we wouldn't be having this conversation, again..and again..and again...

Man up, Woody

October 20, 2010 at 2:21 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

EaTn,

And unfortunately, I voted for Jimmy Carter. Because he had many of us fooled. His true morals were about as high as a grasshoppers knees. He ended up to be the norm for the Dems instead of the man I thought him to be.

I am much wiser now, or at least I think I am. I try to be more discerning of people without being judgemental. Hope that makes sense.

October 20, 2010 at 2:27 p.m.
mmlj said...

Great hypocritical last line, Woody. Way to "lay the blame" on those who "lay the blame." That's as circular as your last phrase.

October 20, 2010 at 2:29 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Yawn. Maybe if King Kenyan were on a half-sunk ship already, it would be funny. Otherwise boring as usual. Last post, same old boring stuff every day. I'll log off now and never be back to your site.

October 20, 2010 at 2:36 p.m.
alprova said...

whatsnottaken wrote: "I'll log off now and never be back to your site."


Good...bye.

October 20, 2010 at 2:55 p.m.
EaTn said...

whatsnottaken- goodby, good luck--we'll miss you.

October 20, 2010 at 2:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Another dud for bennett. Not even worth commenting on except it is funny to see that the artist obviously has no idea what America is or he would not try to portray those that are fighting to maintain what made America great as those who are dismantling it.

Sad little man you are clay.

October 20, 2010 at 3:01 p.m.
Francis said...

i don't owe you any answers, woody.

nor anyone else. never claimed to have the all the answers.

you libs' strategy on here is to delegitimize any critic of obama and his agenda by putting them down for not having solutions, or all the answers. pretty much saying anyone who doesn't have an answer should just shut up.

you don't have to be a doctor to know when you're not feeling well., you don't have to be a mechanic to know that your car isn't running right......to believe we're headed in the right direction when all evidence points to the opposite is delusional.

i don't have to be an economist to know that you don't spend more than you take in, expect employers to hire employees when they don't feel confident that they'll be profitable....you damage employers..you damage employees. its not rocket science.

you libs's love of taxation is only exceeded by your love of "abortion rights".....

all evidence points to obama being a bum...he's a liar.

i call it the way i see it.

numbers, facts, history and common sense are not on you liberals' side.

if they were.......you'd wouldn't be about endure and ass kicking on nov. 2nd

October 20, 2010 at 3:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Taxes and the deficit are what seems to be riling up the Tea-Partiers. The only problem is that they conveniently overlook how their positions on both seemingly contradict each other.

Extending the Bush tax cuts for all will add nearly $4 trillion dollars to the deficit. Extending them for those making more than $250,000 a year will add about half that amount.

It's kinda like putting two pigs in a burlap bag and watching them wrestle each other. If they are successful in having the tax cuts extended, they are appeased by achieving goal number one, but goal number two, their concern regarding deficit spending, is set aside completely in favor of achieving goal number one.

The following is a must-see take on this election, even if you completely disagree with it;

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/rachel-maddow-segment-you-must-not-miss

October 20, 2010 at 3:15 p.m.
woody said...

No, Francis, you don't owe me nor anyone else here anything except possibly a little civility. That said, if you, indeed, call them as you see them, then you must be blind or in dire need of some really strong lenses.

And you are right about two things:

If I am sick I do not need a doctor to tell me I am sick..however, I do go to a doctor in stead of sitting around complaining about how I feel, and

If my car is not running right, I do not need a mechanic's opinion, just his know-how in order to fix it. But to this very day I have never picked or rejected any mechanic based upon his political leanings, financial prowess, race, creed or religious background. I only need one based upon his credentials as a mechanic.

Or is all that too hard for you to understand..oh wait..I forgot..you don't owe me any answers..do you??

Loaded for bear, Woody

October 20, 2010 at 3:29 p.m.
woody said...

Forgot something..Francis...

Anyone who believes, or merely states as much on any site such as this, that anyone, anywhere "loves" taxes or abortion is long overdue for an extensive checkup.

So checkout and check in...check??

TTFN, Woody

October 20, 2010 at 3:37 p.m.
Clara said...

NurseforJustice, "And unfortunately, I voted for Jimmy Carter. Because he had many of us fooled. His true morals were about as high as a grasshoppers knees. He ended up to be the norm for the Dems instead of the man I thought him to be.

I am much wiser now, or at least I think I am. I try to be more discerning of people without being judgemental. Hope that makes sense" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don't recall any black marks against Jimmy Carter, but he did have a brother who might have crossed the line.

What exactly are you referring to? I believe he SAID something about lust in his heart, (but no action.)

I think there are quite a few of us who regarded him with respect, in spite of being a Democrat.

I admired his intelligence and demeanor!

So you are acting like Francis, with no "for instance".

October 20, 2010 at 3:39 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BigRidge complained that Clay, "has no idea what America is or he would not try to portray those that are fighting to maintain what made America great as those who are dismantling it."

What do you believe made this country great? What's missing today that makes this country bad?

Tea Baggers are campaigning for:

Simultaneously cutting taxes and lowering the deficit.

(Swell. I'm for simultaneously losing weight and eating all the ice cream I want but the numbers don't add up on either plate.)

Privatizing social security and medicare because what's the worse that could happen if we invested all our money?

(I can't believe you guys are still peddling that crap.)

Making abortions illegal even in the case of rape and incest. Do you really want the government forcing a 14 year old who was raped by her father to have the baby?

(Love your concept of "smaller government.")

If you want to go back to the way it was at the founding of our Nation, fine. Just remind Palin, O'Donnell, Whitman, Angel, et.al., that not only can they not run for office but they can't vote, either.

Why don't you tell everyone what you believe? If you explained where you're coming from, who knows, maybe you'll win a few converts.

October 20, 2010 at 3:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Username: blackwater48 | On: October 20, 2010 at 3:54 p.m.

Obviously, blackwater has no idea either, or he would not be asking these questions. A product of our public school system?

October 20, 2010 at 4:06 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Wow, BigRidge, is that what passes for humor up there?

What's your problem? Can't put into words those magnificent thoughts?

I was right about you. You turned out to be exactly who I thought you were.

October 20, 2010 at 4:14 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

No, really blackwater, if you cannot see the fundamental change going on I am not going to be able to get you to see it. I've seen your type before. I could give you a reading list that would keep you busy for a year and might bring you out of your intellectual morass but you would not do the required homework.

Admit it; you don't want enlightenment, only something to try to poke at (with points based on false premises).

October 20, 2010 at 4:20 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRP wrote, "No, really blackwater, if you cannot see the fundamental change going on I am not going to be able to get you to see it. "

How do you know? Are you illiterate? He goes on:

"I've seen your type before."

You know absolutely nothing about me. Wait, there's more:

"I could give you a reading list that would keep you busy for a year and might bring you out of your intellectual morass but you would not do the required homework."

Wow, you sure have lots of books, but if anyone is stuck in an intellectual morass, dude, it's you. I know saying that makes me sound like a Republican, but I wasn't asking for a dissertation.

I have many friends from all political stripes and sometimes our conversations get pretty heated, but at least we are COMMUNICATING. And we all get to see issues from different perspectives and view politics from alternate points of view.

That's what some people who visit this site are looking for. Not somebody sitting in the back of the class throwing spit balls.

Don't worry, I won't bother you again. Feel comfortable knowing you can whine away without being challenged.

October 20, 2010 at 4:42 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Let's keep it going back and forth folks. Old Clay is a smiling and we are participating. Let's do it right up to Nov. 2nd. Then if the Demos win, we will see the depiction of a wise and prudent America and what all the libs in the media thought was true, Obama is the answer. If the Repubs take control, we will see how dumb all the media libs knew the country to be and everything that happens after that will be absolutely their fault just as everything coming into the current administration was Bush's fault. The Dems and president Obama are blameless. I cannot wait to see the results and hear all the fallout either way. Meanwhile, we continue on a divided nation, headed who knows where? If it wasn't for separation of church and state, I might have an answer for that.

October 20, 2010 at 4:55 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Just to prove I'm a Democrat like Bennett, I lied and came back. Cartoon is still predictable though. That's the truth.

October 20, 2010 at 5:04 p.m.
mmlj said...

bw,

I wouldn't recommend the diet, but it's possible to eat all of the ice cream you want and lose weight. You have to eat less overall calories, you'll have to exercise. But you can, indeed, lose weight.

Likewise, you can cut taxes and reduce the deficit. The nation will just have to cut overall spending (perhaps like programs studying swine odor) and might actually have to work to get the economy going.

October 20, 2010 at 5:52 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

mmlj -

Thanks for the dietary info, but you don't know the way I eat ice cream. As much as I want? I'm too old to run marathons again, but appreciate the input.

Yeah, there is plenty of money to be saved in the federal budget, but one congressman's pork is another congressman's pet project.

The Pentagon budget is so bloated I'm not sure any one person in government knows exactly how much money pours down that rat hole. We sent our soldiers into Iraq without adequate equipment but the brass back in Washington still enjoyed limo service.

Good grief, troops were welding metal plates liberated from Iraqi junk yards to serve as humvee "armor."

Then there's foreign aid (do we really need to subsidize China?) welfare fraud, medicare fraud, corporate welfare, (do we really need to subsidize McDonald's?) and the list goes on and on including all the "studies" you mentioned.

I certainly agree that Washington in general and the whole government in particular needs to be streamlined, but I don't see Republicans doing the job.

Do you have any idea how large the Department of Homeland Security might be? I can't quite grasp the entire scope. Whenever I think I've got a bead on it I find out there's still more.

October 20, 2010 at 6:15 p.m.
hambone said...

All this back and forth up and down on this forum serves no porpose but to divide America.

Until we fundimentally change the way we elect our congress we will get no where.

Most of you have seen what I have posted about my ideas and I will not repeat them here but to say that MONEY must be remove from our election process.

Those of you that have the ability to grasp what I am saying please help change things.

October 20, 2010 at 7:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hambone,

I am not afraid of the money so much as the lack of intellectual depth of the voters. Anyone that bases their vote on a 30 second TV add shouldn’t be voting. Unfortunately, I suspect that describes most of them.

October 20, 2010 at 8:23 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Your queer!! I know you are but what am I??? I'm rubber your glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!!! Sticks and stones can break my bones???? When will it all end?

October 20, 2010 at 8:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Oh yes. Hats off to everyone. I see a real issue is trumping clay's stupid cartoon for number of posts for a change.

October 20, 2010 at 8:25 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Crunch Time! Let's see if we are ready to get serious about our debt and do like the UK and cut, cut, cut. Who's with me?

...or are you all talk and no action?

October 20, 2010 at 9:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Username: SeaSmokie59er | On: October 20, 2010 at 9:09 p.m.

I am right there with you SeaSmokie59er. Balance the budget through spending cuts and hold taxation at current levels. Cut across the board. Nothing is sacred.

October 20, 2010 at 9:13 p.m.
ITguy said...

Francis, I think that you do owe us answers. If you are going to post nothing but criticism, then you add nothing of value to the discussion. The nature of debate is to offer ideas and facts. I don't recall seeing either in your posts. You will never change anyone's opinion by calling names and spewing venom.

If your opinions are not supported by facts and reason, the they are not valid opinions. If you disagree, explain why. If your arguments are sound, you might change some minds. I will not hold my breath.

October 20, 2010 at 10:13 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

Yes, yes, yes.

Balance the budget through spending cuts. This should be a snap. Okay, checking with the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) we see that In FY 2011 the deficit is projected to be $1.26 trillion, the difference between $3.83 trillion in spending and $2.57 trillion in revenue. Although this deficit is huge, it is less than the $1.6 trillion deficit in FY 2010, and the $1.4 trillion deficit in FY 2009.

Wait. Obama is reducing the deficit? Never mind. Spending cuts! Grab your pitchforks and torches!

We see that the U.S. debt is over $13 trillion. Nearly two-thirds is public debt, which is owed to the people, businesses and foreign governments who bought Treasury Bills, Notes and Bonds. (Even before the economic crisis, the U.S. debt ballooned 50% between 2000 - 2007, growing from $6 - $9 trillion. The $700 billion bailout helped the debt grow to $10.5 trillion by December 2008.)

The rest is owed by the government to itself, and is held as Government Account securities. Most of this is owed to Social Security and other trust funds, which were running surpluses. These securities are a promise to repay these funds when Baby Boomers retire over the next 20 years.

Discretionary spending in FY 2010 was $1.39 trillion, or 38% of total spending. More than half ($844 billion) was security spending, which includes the Department of Defense, and Homeland Security. Non-security spending was $553 billion. The largest departments were: Health and Human Services ($84 billion), Transportation ($76 billion), Education ($46.8 billion), Housing and Urban Development ($43.6 billion) and Agriculture ($25 billion).

Okay gang, have at it. What would you cut and by how much?

October 20, 2010 at 10:33 p.m.
TwinkleTN said...

It is time that Social Security and Medicare are examined. I assume that the Tea Party agrees with this statement. COLA's for Social Security recipients should be frozen for at least 5 years. The Medicare drug benefit should be repealed. Cafeteria plans for benefits should be eliminated so all taxpayers are treated the same. Food stamps should not be allowed for food that makes people sick which will result in increased health costs. There are many more that we can do, but I bet if these types of cuts are started there will be a lot of screaming by some of the same Tea Party members who are advocating for budget cuts.

Also, it caught my attention that the female mouthpiece for the Tea Party is a very hefty girl. I bet she has health insurance.

October 20, 2010 at 11:07 p.m.
holdout said...

The family that moved into my house stole my check book and spent three times what I had in the account fixing the neighbor's driveway and buying pizza. Now they wonder why I won't give them my credit card too.

October 21, 2010 at 1:28 p.m.
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