published Sunday, June 5th, 2011

Bullying

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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John_Proctor said...

Way To Go Clay:

One of your all-time best and accurate. The only thing you have wrong is the color of Ramsey's hair. It's a smarmy shade of gray.

Every act dealing with education that he and that Maggot woman got passed in the last legislative session was political payback having nothing to do with educational reform or anything else. Even Beth Harwell had to hold her nose as she cast a few deciding votes. I could deal with the politics of why they passed the payback they wanted if only they were honest about their motives. It's the lies they tell about it that disgust me.

I can already hear the howls and name calling so let the games begin!

June 5, 2011 at 12:19 a.m.
alprova said...

It won't be too much longer before the only job worth having will be that as a legislator.I'm betting that there will be a whole bunch of new ones elected this next election cycle. Never in my life have I witnessed such a widespread effort to reduce the job standards for those whom we entrust to educate our children, and it is a shame and disgrace.

June 5, 2011 at 2:44 a.m.
trburrows said...

al, for once I agree with every word you posted.

June 5, 2011 at 4:21 a.m.
rolando said...

Aw-w-w. Poor beat up teachers. Now the slackers will not advance at the expense of those who excel at teaching.

The playing field is [finally] no longer level and the handicapping of great teachers by withholding bonuses/incentives/benefits rewarding their outstanding teaching abilities/enthusiasm/etc.

The slovenly/disinterested teachers who couldn't care less about actually teaching and need a guidebook to follow or to be told what to do daily are in for hard times.

Having experienced both types of teachers, I am looking forward to the new breed of teachers, unfettered by union rules, coming on board...[or perhaps they are the old, pre-union-days teacher].

The teachers' unions are excellent examples of the unions adversarial relationship with the taxpayers.

In closing, the cartoon would be more accurate to have the briefcase labeled "Union Thugs" and the scattered papers labeled "secret ballots", "incentive pay", "realistic tenure".

Junior beating up on the smaller kid reminds me of the Black Panther thugs with their batons outside the voting stations. Bullying knows no bounds.

June 5, 2011 at 6:36 a.m.
hambone said...

Tennessee teachers can find work in almost any field they wish to. "Sweet Bill" Haslam and the state legislature couldn't make it one day in a classroom.

There will be no winners in this mess, only losers, THE KIDS!

June 5, 2011 at 7:26 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Alpova's right that there is a widespread effort to reduce job standards and protections . . . but, it's not just teachers the GOP and Tea Baggers are going after. They want to strip all employees of any right to organize and obtain or maintain decent work conditions and pay. It is a shame and disgrace.

June 5, 2011 at 8:12 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

yeah, bennett......that's the way it is...when a legislative body is dominated by republicans they're bullies, when it's dominated by democrats it's all about fairness. the obama/pelosi/reid nightmare proved that wrong.

rolando...well said.

hey, alprova..those job standards were lowered a long, long time ago by those sacred teachers themselves. unions have made sure that security, absurd benefits and tenure have taken priority over job performance. public schools are top heavy with fat ass administrators who tinker with everything that doesn't need to be tinkered with in order to justify their jobs, and above all, with poorly performing, arrogant, complacent and entitled teachers.

there are a lot of reasons why public schools stink...not, just poor teacher performance. teachers unions and fat ass school administrators will never solve it because their heads aren't in the game. they're more interested in security and benefits.......

"tennessee teachers can find work in almost any field they wish to"....yeah, not the ones i''ve had experience with, hambreath..ridiculous...........many, many, many people couldn't make it in the classroom... teaching is remarkably hard. i maintain that most of the people that get into teaching in public schools do so for the benefits and security....not for the love of teaching...

June 5, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

it should never be the case, in any field, that pay isn't tied to job performance. if you do a good job you're rewarded, if you do a bad job you should fired. simple as that. unions always seem to have a problem with that.

June 5, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
ITguy said...

The tea party and the libertarians want to destroy public education. They do not believe that the "State" should indoctrinate our children with such non-sense as evolution or global warming. Their goal is to make the job of teaching in a public school so undesirable that no one will want that job. The public schools will become so bad that the only solution will be privatization..

June 5, 2011 at 8:51 a.m.
tderng said...

ITGuy,the tea party and libertarians do not want to destroy education,that is just typical liberal scare tactics.What they want is a good product for all that money they pay out for it.For the last several decades billions upon billions have been poured into the education system only to see our students fall further and further behind more and more countries.Especially in math and science.History and geography apparently not are even taught from what students don't seem to know,even college students now couldn't tell you the capitals of more than five states.They have a poor knowledge of history.The no child left behind act was a disaster and Bush must shoulder that but its only a small part of the overall problem.Sorry teachers can't be fired.Because of unions they continue to teach and get tenure and have a job for life unless they kill someone or sleep with a student.Poor performance is rewarded with pay raises and continued employment.There are some great teachers out there ,unfortunately they are being swallowed up by the ones that either can't teach or who won't put forth the effort.

June 5, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
dude_abides said...

rolando, Seamonkey... I just had this vision of your grandkids being taught by the immigrants from the south that you so loathe, because they're the only people willing to work for the low wages your union busting heroes brought about. Hey, your tombstones may be in Spanish! Thanks, you guys, for helping foment the fall of the middle class.

June 5, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
tderng said...

dude_abides,are you saying that teachers get into teaching for the pay?I would hope that they go into teaching because they are nurturers who want to be good at their jobs.

June 5, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.
hambone said...

What has been happening in Tennessee with public sector unions has been going on in other states. It is an attempt by the GOP to reduce the Democratic base.

They are only succeeding in energizing this base. They are not busting unions as they hope. They are only making them mad. The public sector unions are still there, still organized, and they still have their mailing list.

June 5, 2011 at 11:18 a.m.
rolando said...

You might be right-er than you think, dude...but I hope not. Just what we need -- a bigger Mexico. The printing press will be run my mestizos, no doubt. No one left here with any income to tax so who will pay your precious welfare? ["You", plural and in general].

You do realize we are the court of last resort, independent and individual-wise, don't you? Everyplace else places the state above the individual...that's what you want for us, too.

Well, Marx or some other idiot said that for Communism to work, it must happen all over globe and all at once. Otherwise the producers of wealth will pack up and leave...and without those producers, there will be no one left to pay taxes. Which is why it always fails, of course. And why WE are failing...the wealth producers have moved to better business climes. That's exactly how GE got away with paying us zero taxes on a $2 Billion profit last year...well, that and being oBozo's buddy.

But one thing for sure -- there won't be any tombstone in Mexican...why pay a chiseler [pun intended] to cut a few letters and an epitaph.

June 5, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
rolando said...

BTW, dude -- my G-kiddies are already fairly proficient in Spanish -- and French. The youngest has Spanish in kindergarten. That's how far we have come...

PS - The mestizos take it too...along with English.

June 5, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hambone said... “Tennessee teachers can find work in almost any field they wish to. "Sweet Bill" Haslam and the state legislature couldn't make it one day in a classroom.”

That is pretty funny hambone. When I was in college the students that could not make it in Engineering dropped down to Industrial Tech. The students that could not make it in anything else dropped out or went into education. Have I not read somewhere that education graduates consistently rank among the lowest of all the “professional” degrees in aptitude?

Sure, that is not fair to every teacher but on average they are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

June 5, 2011 at 12:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

moon4kat said... "GOP and Tea Baggers ... want to strip all employees of any right to organize and obtain or maintain decent work conditions and pay"

That is a pretty darn inaccurate statement moon4kat. You do not have a clue what you are talking about here. Where on earth do you get your disinformation from?

June 5, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ITguy said... "The tea party and the libertarians want to destroy public education"

What is this? Stupid Day?

The vast majority of Tea Party members want better public education and the freedom to take your tax dollars elsewhere when public education is failing.

Only a dim witted drone would extrapolate that into destruction of public education.

Many Libertarians, on the other hand, would like to see the end of public education. You can make an argument that it is just as important to separate government and education as it is to separate government and religion. This is especially so when government education wantonly teaches "morality", often morality that is counter to that held by the children’s parents. How else do we end up with a bunch of quasi socialists proudly sharing their views on this forum, clearly products of public education!

June 5, 2011 at 12:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"to them all (leftist) teachers are good teachers"

Exactly, that is why public education is so dangerous.

June 5, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.
miraweb said...

Just a little template to help save time:

You [insert namecalling] all just want [insert outrageous outcome nobody really wants] which is why [insert dark prediction of the end of world and the doom of civilization] and you are all complete [insert morons, idiots, nazis, or, if necessary, all of the above]

HTH.

June 5, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Government education (in this country) equals big government indoctrination.

June 5, 2011 at 3:11 p.m.
alprova said...

tderng wrote: "I would hope that they go into teaching because they are nurturers who want to be good at their jobs."

Are you for real? What do you do for a living and what is your motivation? We all seek to earn the most we can from the fruits of our labor.

June 5, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "We all seek to earn the most we can from the fruits of our labor"

And when we are peddling a skill set that commands market wages that are well below our wage expectations "we" resort to unions and use coercion, manipulation and threats to elevate wages.

June 5, 2011 at 3:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "Government education (in this country) equals big government indoctrination."

I dare bet that all of you whining that public schools are the downfall of society were each and every one educated in public schools. If indeed schools indoctrinate all who attend them, then how do you explain that you and others of your particular mindset, broke free from such alleged indoctrination and are now so enlightened?

Most, if not all of you, are graduates of Fox News University, Rush Limbaugh Fellowship surrogates, Glenn Beck groupies, and are Breitbart bums.

Of course, when accused of such educational achievements, all of you will deny it. No one ever admits to having been infected with such garbage. Even you know that the aforementioned sources of information are not credible in the least sense of the word.

And knowing that, I am in constant wonder as to why the lot of you never take time to question that which has been proven to be false, innuendo, and outright lies. Why do you repeat over and over, that which never has any foundation?

It wouldn't be so funny, if not for the fact that at least in our neck of the woods, those who operate our schools are elected officials. You vote for them. Republicans and Conservatives rule the roost here in the Chattanooga and North Georgia districts. Democrats and Liberals are left out of the loop when it comes to representation in the political arena and when it comes to our schools.

So who's attempting to fool who and how much sense does it make to whine about who's running the schools in this area?

June 5, 2011 at 3:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot shot back with: "And when we are peddling a skill set that commands market wages that are well below our wage expectations "we" resort to unions and use coercion, manipulation and threats to elevate wages."

Is that a fact? When has your child missed one day of school in the past 50 years due to educators in this area or for that matter, educators within a 500 mile circle of Chattanooga, causing any students to miss one day of their education due to coercion, manipulation, or threats?

To the best of my research, you have to go down to Florida and back to 1968 to find a strike threat of effort in the Southeast by educators.

Seems to me that you are not as informed to the reality of the situation as you think you are.

June 5, 2011 at 4:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... “If indeed schools indoctrinate all who attend them, then how do you explain that you and others of your particular mindset, broke free from such alleged indoctrination and are now so enlightened?”

By continuing our education after we were free of the public school system. I learn more every day of my adult life than I ever did in the public school system. I doubt your average union activist could say that.

June 5, 2011 at 4:08 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "To the best of my research, you have to go down to Florida and back to 1968 to find a strike threat of effort in the Southeast by educators"

Who said anything about strikes? That is just one tool of intimidation used by unions but it is not the only one.

Have you read about the death threats to Wisconsin legislators as they work to remove the collective bargaining "right" for teachers in Wisconsin?

There is a whole catalogue of ways unions can manipulate and threaten. I think you know that and you are just hoping you can derail the point with your silly strike smokescreen.

June 5, 2011 at 4:14 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm going to go on record in support of our local educators and the fact that most of them do a fantastic job of educating our children. I'm sure most of us were influenced by former teachers throughout our years in public education.

I attended the funerals of four of my former and beloved teachers, and may they all rest in peace with the knowledge that they were as loved by their former pupils as if they were family.

It sickens me to read some of the tripe spewed by those who have amassed their reputations as damning anything and everything remotely decent in this life. Haters are going to hate, no matter what. We all know this. And nothing is off limits.

The problem with people of that certain mindset is rather elementary, pun intended. There are people who embrace any and all instances where they can try to practice elitism. These people want to shutter themselves off and away from the rest of society. They additionally desire to do the same for their children.

The only problem is that if they succeed in doing so, they prove themselves to be saturated with personality disorders and they are determined to raise children who will never figure out how to work well with others. Video games are already setting up a generation of kids to find themselves ill-equipped to deal with interaction with other people. I'm already seeing 30 year olds incapable of carrying on a conversation about anything but WOW. That's their life and the extent of their interests.

There are some really sad and pathetic people out there and you are all in my prayers on a daily basis.

June 5, 2011 at 4:36 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot sidestepped with: "Who said anything about strikes? That is just one tool of intimidation used by unions but it is not the only one.

Have you read about the death threats to Wisconsin legislators as they work to remove the collective bargaining "right" for teachers in Wisconsin?

There is a whole catalogue of ways unions can manipulate and threaten. I think you know that and you are just hoping you can derail the point with your silly strike smokescreen."

I'm going to refer to you from now on as Mr. Waffle Man. You made the charge and the best you can come up with in response to my pointing out your ignorance is what occurred in Wisconsin? What does that have to do with your child who attends a school in THIS area?

I made it clear as a bell that when it comes to your children, you have no beef. You're farting into a headwind. Your children have not missed so much as one second's education as a result of coercion, manipulation, or threats.

Sidestep that simple fact all you want, but the fact remains that you have no complaint about YOUR child's education in our area public schools, at least not when in comes to the implementation of any or all of those three words you chose to attach to the hips of our local teachers.

For Pete's sake, I can't recall so much as one time in all of my cognizant 52 years, when teachers in our area have expressed any discontent or so much as issued any threat to anyone to influence an addressing of their job conditions, pay, or benefits.

You're full of crap and all you seem capable of is farting.

June 5, 2011 at 4:51 p.m.
vbscript2 said...

"To the best of my research, you have to go down to Florida and back to 1968 to find a strike threat of effort in the Southeast by educators."

Well, then your research is lacking. Here in Putnam County, TN, a strike by our good, old teacher's union (TEA, of course) delayed the start of school by several weeks back in 2001. I remember this very well because I was a high school student at the time and they're strike delayed the start of school so long that our first day of class was September 11, 2001.

Of course, you only have to listen to the nonsense coming from TEA itself to realize that, like all unions, they are in the business of fostering an adversarial relationship between teachers and local school boards. This, of course, is because in the absense of an adversarial relationship between the employer and the employee, unions can't justify the fees that they take from the employees.

'Collective bargaining' is a just a euphemism for 'price collusion,' which is a federal crime for anyone except a union (and it should be for them, too.) It's anti-competitive and anti-market and very bad for consumers, which is why it's illegal for everyone else. However, the union hacks have paid off enough politicians to get it legalized for them. I don't have a problem with professional organizations raising the interests of a group of professionals, but collective bargaining of wages should be outlawed.

June 5, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Leftist tactic number (three?): When you cannot win on the issue, attack the other side.

Lazy, typical, I expect more from you Alprova. In the past you have demonstrated greater depth.

I have had and do appreciate good teachers. During my recent experience getting the kids through school I have to say with all honesty that I was never impressed with the local school teachers I was exposed to. Go ahead and continue worshiping mediocrity. Before this problem is fixed, someone is going to have to deal with the real issues and quit with the "we love our teachers", BS. I don't mean to say that teachers are the only problem or even the biggest problem, but they are (on average) a key deficient component.

June 5, 2011 at 5 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "What does that have to do with your child who attends a school in THIS area? I made it clear as a bell that when it comes to your children, you have no beef"

I was pointing out that strikes are not the only tool in the union tool chest. The example came to mind because I grew up in Wisconsin and my parents give me frequent updates on the horrible behavior of the union and union supporters up there.

As far as my own children, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If you really want to go down that path I can bury you in examples of poor teaching from my experience trying to get three kids through our local school systems.

June 5, 2011 at 5:10 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Say, alprova, are you against school vouchers? You know, if you gave us haters the financial freedom to go to a school that we want instead of the school that you want our kids to go to there would be much less reason for tension.

June 5, 2011 at 5:19 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

i like the european approach that L4F brought up.....it would mean competition...which is a liberals worst nightmare.......

the key word is "indoctrination"...that's the way the left approaches education.....anyone who's ever had a child in public schools knows what i'm talking about..the massive waste of time and recources spent on things that have nothing to do with learning......public schools are a play thing for the left. the huge amount of high school graduates in this country who cannot read and can't locate their own state on a map is outrageous.

teachers unions deserve no sympathy. my tax dollars are wasted on all those teachers who are doing a crappy job.......keeping them in benefits for life, even though they suck....get rid of the crappy ones, keep the good ones...and there are many good ones.....simple as that.

the union's agenda is transparent..

June 5, 2011 at 5:20 p.m.
hambone said...

BuRP, Funny you bring up Wisconsin. Have you been following it? The stripping of collective bargaining has been thrown out by a judge, the state GOP senators are reluctant to bring it back up, as some of them are facing a recall vote that will change who's in control. Gv. Scott Walker will be recalled when his year is up. Can you say Backlash!

June 5, 2011 at 5:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova,

Imagine the feel good love fest you could turn the public school system into if you did not have all of those hateful parents around demanding academic excellence!

The kids could spend the whole day singing barack obama songs!

June 5, 2011 at 5:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hambone said... "Funny you bring up Wisconsin. Have you been following it? The stripping of collective bargaining has been thrown out by a judge, the state GOP senators are reluctant to bring it back up, as some of them are facing a recall vote that will change who's in control. Gv. Scott Walker will be recalled when his year is up. Can you say Backlash!"

Yes I have. The union and democrats up there are showing their true colors. Horrible, disgusting behavior, true haters. Let me guess that you watch the news and videos and celebrate their behavior. It seems quite normal for leftists to behave like spoiled rotten children when they are not getting their way.

June 5, 2011 at 5:30 p.m.
joepulitzer said...

Aw, c'mon, Bennett bashers, give the guy a break. When he grows up, he wants to be a school teacher.

June 5, 2011 at 6:08 p.m.
hambone said...

BuRP, What I see in Wisconsin is the voters realizing what a mistake they made electing Walker and others.

June 5, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
rick1 said...

BRP, thought you may want to read this article. The Wisconsin Supreme Court will hear oral argument on various issues, including whether it can exercise appellate power to review Judge Sumi’s final order absent the filing of an appeal, and the impact of Sumi’s final order on the pending appeal challenging the temporary restraining order.

Let us hope with Judge Prosser being re elected to the State Supreme Court this may have a good out come.

http://www.wisbar.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=News&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=102744

June 5, 2011 at 7:01 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

no, hambone...what everyone saw in wisconsin is a mass temper tantrum by the entitlement class who have no empathy at all for how those who fund their lifestyles are struggling to make ends meet.

there're far too many people who feel they're entitled to things, deserve things and who want guarantees.

teachers unions want to squash choice..they want a monopoly. they fear school vouchers like dracula fears the cross. cowards afraid of some competition.

June 5, 2011 at 7:13 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Thanks Rick1,

My favorite part of the article (for you hambone)...

“When a court takes such actions it violates fundamental principles of separation of powers and does serious and irreparable harm to our constitutional system of government,” Huebsch’s attorney’s argued in the petition. “Such actions by the Circuit Court … must be squarely rejected.” Huebsch said a swift decision is important to allow state and local branches of government to “conduct their business without improper interference from the judicial branch.”

June 5, 2011 at 8:46 p.m.
alprova said...

vbscript2 wrote: "Well, then your research is lacking. Here in Putnam County, TN, a strike by our good, old teacher's union (TEA, of course) delayed the start of school by several weeks back in 2001."

There is not so much as one word written anywhere online that would begin to substantiate that claim. I'm stop short of calling you a liar, but it either wasn't newsworthy enough to rate a story in print, or it never happened.

June 5, 2011 at 9:05 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"Wow" alprova, you are still trying to make that non-point?

Do you support school vouchers? Think about it, you could let us haters go to schools of our choice and you and your ilk would be free to do what ever you want with your lame a$$ public schools.

Got to call a spade a spade!

June 5, 2011 at 9:09 p.m.
hambone said...

BuRP, you miss my point. All the Wisconsin state senate needs to do is re-vote this legislation, doing it right by making the prescribed notification of 24 hours. No need for all the court preceedings.

But they are affraid of it. They don't want to go on record voting on it a second time, they know it will hurt what little chance they have of surviving the recall vote.

One of the senator's wife signed the recall petition on him.

June 5, 2011 at 9:16 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "The example came to mind because I grew up in Wisconsin and my parents give me frequent updates on the horrible behavior of the union and union supporters up there."

Well, I'll tell you what. Let's say you go to work tomorrow and some slob calls a meeting and informs you that effective immediately, you must now pay 25% more for your health care coverage, that your pay is frozen or reduced henceforth and don't you dare ask for a raise or your fired, and if you don't like it, you can just quit.

What exactly would your attitude be? And people wonder why every now and then, someone goes postal.

What that Governor did to the teachers was treason, in my opinion. And he'll be lucky to be elected as a dog-catcher after he crosses the firemen and policemen, which he began doing this very week. He's going after their collective bargaining rights, in order to implement the law passed against the teachers. His hide will not be safe anywhere in that state.

June 5, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

No doubt the Senators are afraid of the power of the teacher’s union and some of them would like the whole thing to just go away. Politicians are not known for bravery or even for having the best interests of the state (nation, whatever) at heart.

According to alprova, that is impossible because the only tool the unions have to threaten and coerce is the strike.

It is not over yet. Everyone I know up there is rooting for Walker.

June 5, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot Asked:"Say, alprova, are you against school vouchers?"

I'm against any attempt to use tax money, even your own, used in any attempt to practice elitism. If you want your kids in private schools, then you foot the bill 100%. That's the way it's always been and I see no need to change it now.

"You know, if you gave us haters the financial freedom to go to a school that we want instead of the school that you want our kids to go to there would be much less reason for tension."

Tough stuff. You're perfectly free to put your kids in any school you desire. You're not free to deprive public schools of their funds to do it. I no longer have kinds in any school and yet I pay public school taxes each and every year.

Pay up or shut up. It's not your money to divert as you like. It's collected for the benefit of those who attend public schools.

June 5, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "Everyone I know up there is rooting for Walker"

You know all three of them?

June 5, 2011 at 9:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Well, I'll tell you what. Let's say you go to work tomorrow and some slob calls a meeting and informs you that effective immediately"

You Dork! Been there, done that, and worse, except the guy was not "some slob" but someone trying to keep the company viable under the oppressive economic conditions created primarily by federal government meddling in the economy.

I did not cop an attitude (sign of the weak), or organize, or quit, or cry like some union baby. I changed to an HSA, learned how great they are, made budget adjustments and worked harder than ever. Since then what happened? Am I digging in under the umbrella of tenure? Nope, I have even less sympathy than ever for any public sector employee that is hiding behind a union to maintain unwarranted compensation packages while the taxpayers struggle out here in the real world. From where I am sitting they all look pretty self-centered and pathetic.

June 5, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "You know all three of them"

I know the ones that are living outside of that leftist hotbed called Madison. If it was not for Madison, Wisconsin would be a solid red state.

June 5, 2011 at 9:36 p.m.
alprova said...

Whatcha wanna bet that it doesn't turn bright blue in '12?

June 5, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... “It's not your money to divert as you like.“

Just as I thought. Alprova is as selfish as the public worker hacks she advocates for. You hurt lower income students with your pathetic public schools more than you do me. Leftists like you cannot tolerate competition against your social engineering projects. You KNOW they would wither in the face of competition. It would not be just the rich that would benefit either. Even the bottom end of the social strata would benefit. Imagine, being able to finish high school and be able to READ!

Sorry, dumb idea. alprova’s precious public schools are more important than actually teaching students. We need to worship our beloved school system and give it even more money for failing the students. The answer is always more money. Maybe another teacher benefit will finally motivate them to wake up and teach for a while in class.

Yeah, right!

June 5, 2011 at 9:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Whatcha wanna bet that it doesn't turn bright blue in '12?"

Not sure. I have always worried that we have slipped too deeply into central government control and the entitlement society to turn back. Will the MSM and the progressives be able to continue to pull the wool over voter's eyes or have you awakened a sleeping giant?

2012 promises to be interesting. I would not be counting your victories just yet. If you do prevail, you can be sure that Mao and Stalin would be proud of you.

June 5, 2011 at 9:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Patriot, you're not only hopeless, you're a pathetic and pathological liar. You claim to have done it all and have lived it all. You're nothing short of a completely brainwashed idjet with a boner for anyone who holds any opinion you disagree with.

I have no regard for most unions. The two I was in many years ago, threw me overboard.

That being said, I also see the need for a certain amount of what unions are good at, which is keeping a balance between workers and management. When either side gains or obtains too much power, then the problem set in.

Right now, out there in the marketplace, workers have no power or balance. You take a job and all the inequality that comes with it, or you starve and/or become homeless. Hopefully that pendulum will swing back the other way, but it's not going to happen soon, that's for sure.

If you think that what the Republicans in this country are doing is a good thing, then I pray you don't lose your job soon, because you're in for an eye opener and a penance for the crap you are spewing. Lies have a way of slapping you on your posterior.

You might think about tying a pillow to your ass is if you know what's good for you.

June 5, 2011 at 9:56 p.m.
alprova said...

Mr. Waffle, first of all, I am a man.

Secondly, I am a product of the Walker County, Georgia school system. I assure you when I graduated, I was able to read and write at a much higher level than that of most Seniors in high school. And if I could have done, so could have and so did others.

Blaming teachers for any lack of education that their children endured is the mark of a lazy and woefully uninvolved parent in their child's education. But go ahead and respond with what a concerned and utterly involved parent you were with your children and how lousy their teachers were. I'm sure I will believe you.

June 5, 2011 at 10:08 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to me and my experience. Your approach of trying to discredit someone who does not agree with you is typical and boorish. Run from the argument; make vague accusations of lying!

June 5, 2011 at 10:11 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Mr. Waffle, first of all, I am a man"

Maybe your pretty ladybug fooled me?

June 5, 2011 at 10:14 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Blaming teachers for any lack of education that their children endured is the mark of a lazy and woefully uninvolved parent in their child's education"

That is pretty funny smart "guy". I ended up homeschooling one of the kids after giving up on the local school system. I suppose that is not involved enough for you! BTW, it was a great experiance and if I had to do it all over all of the kids would be homeschooled.

June 5, 2011 at 10:18 p.m.
hambone said...

I don't think we will have to wait till 2012 to see Wisconsin start to turn blue. The state senate will turn this summer.

June 5, 2011 at 10:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "Maybe your pretty ladybug fooled me?"

HHmmmm...What? You never heard of a male ladybug?

To be honest, I never thought of that avatar as that of a ladybug, but I suppose it is.

I guess I'll change it.

June 5, 2011 at 10:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I failed to mention. Bennett does seem to be doing a better job of featuring significant issues and not being so outrageously partisan. Keep it up Clay. Maybe the TFP can keep you around for a while longer.

Now if you could just address the most important issue of our times, Run Away Government Spending.

June 5, 2011 at 10:48 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tderng said... dude_abides,are you saying that teachers get into teaching for the pay?I would hope that they go into teaching because they are nurturers who want to be good at their jobs.

...are you suggesting that true teachers shouldn't be interested in fair wages? benefits? retirement? Do you define nurturers as slaves? Why can't you people see the beat down that is spreading through our society? Is your goal to be like serfs to a king or what? Your collective views are the words fools...or the wealthy.

June 6, 2011 at 1:02 a.m.
alprova said...

And while we are on the subject of education, the truth of historical happenings, and Republicans, let it be known that Sarah Palin still has her foot in her mouth, not that it is a surprise to those of us who understand that her education does not seem to have evolved very much past the fourth grade.

Click here for the facts surrounding Paul Revere's Ride and how silly it is for her to claim that the British were warned by him. The woman is a nincompoop.

June 6, 2011 at 3:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Perceptive observation, Clay Bennett. The perscution of our teachers is truly an ugly situation - and the arrogance and hypocracy involved is nothing less than mindboggling.

June 6, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rick1 Said: "Let us hope with Judge Prosser being re elected to the State Supreme Court this may have a good out come."

I’m curious about something,Rick1. From your perspective, what is the difference between educational organizations like a teacher’s union and business organizations like a Chamber of Commerce? Clearly, organizations like Chattanooga’s Chamber of Commerce receive tax payer dollars, their members have the right to network, and they have a very clear voice in local, state, and federal government political issues. Should our elected officials create a law prohibiting business owners from establishing such organizations and should tax payer dollars be used to fund business organizations like the Chamber of Commerce?

June 6, 2011 at 7:55 a.m.
limric said...

Great cartoon Clay.

Alprova's post @ 2:44AM and Mountainlaurel's post @ 7:28 AM are right on the money. Well said. It is a concerted effort (a conspiracy if you will) to dumb down Americans. It began years ago and many posting here are an excellent barometer of that success.

June 6, 2011 at 8:03 a.m.
limric said...

A teachers policy on Honesty and ass kicking.

June 6, 2011 at 8:30 a.m.
fairmon said...

Tenure assures parity among teachers therefore there would be no need for bargaining if legislatures would assure compensation in the upper half of the average of local labor supply area. Tenure was first used as an enticement or recruiting tool which has now become an albatross for the education system protecting the lazy and incompetent at the expense of outstanding teachers and all students.

The voucher system would be good but the public system would still need to provide for many children and families with special needs.The voucher system would require legislation and regulation far beyond that which our legislators appear capable of providing.

In my opinion; School boards, school administrators, state and federal legislators and the teachers union have made it nearly impossible for even the best teachers to be effective. School principles and teachers cannot discipline and are often abused by students and parents. The provision or mechanisms for addressing issues resulting from little to no family support and guidance are essentially non-existent. Many children do not have a "Leave It To Beaver" home life. When 75% of high school seniors don't know who the first U.S. president was it that a reflection on educators or parents?

June 6, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.
BobMKE said...

I’ve enjoyed the back and forth between Al & BRP. BRP is getting information from Wisconsin but living here I have to hear and read about it everyday. It’s ground zero here and the nation is watching. If the posters here would just Goggle the disruptions that are going on in Madison you would certainly know who the bullies really are. If I were the WI Republican Party Chairman all I would do is set up commercials showing how these union thugs are acting and all of the death threats, and play then over and over again during the recall elections that are coming up. Keep in mind that the City of Madison (State Capitol) and Dane County are one of the most liberal areas in the U.S. The judges there are activists and if Legislation is challenged it must go through one of the liberal judges. There is a bill now to change that.

My daughter is a 22-year veteran of the Milwaukee Public Schools and I admire all of the dedicated teachers everywhere. It is the profession that starts all others. But, what can’t last forever, won’t. It is what it is. The taxpayers are finally realizing that the unions have gotten too big and powerful. The unions gave over 400 million during the November 2010 election and 98% went to the Democrats. In regards to the teachers unions, who is representing the taxpayers? During the school board negotiations you have the union on one side of the table and on the other side are elected people that are financed by the unions or they are ex-teachers, or have a relative somewhere in the system. Voters now realize what is really going on. Scott Walker and other States will win this. In Indiana and Utah the law was passed and only 5% of the teachers now are paying their union dues. The same thing will happen here in WI. So much for the teachers backing the union. Bottom line is the unions all over the Country are fighting for their existence.

June 6, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.
slimjim300 said...

bullies are a big problem. self defense is very important. jiu-jitsu is believed to be the most effective defense against larger/stronger opponents. self defense is your right.

June 6, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "The perscution of our teachers is truly an ugly situation"

What a bunch of sanctimonious hog wash! Teachers, police and firefighters are all some kind of special people that are above budget issues and entitled to extraordinary wages and benefits while the majority of their benefactors have to make deep cuts?

You people crack me up! Whoa is the plight of the persecuted teacher! I am sure that if their collective bargaining “rights” are suspended and they experience a marginal reduction in benefits they will not be able to cope. The persecution is comparable to that of the Jew in Nazi Germany, no doubt. If you only knew how stupid you sound!

I wonder why I did not feel “persecuted” when the company I work for had to go through austerity measures. Oh, yes, avoiding the victim trap requires a certain sense of self determination and an understanding of how the world works. Such a level of comprehension is clearly way above the intellectual capacity of those who educate our children and their swooning supporters.

June 6, 2011 at 10:04 a.m.
Leaf said...

My grandmother always said, "Education is the best investment you can make." I believe that's true. The countries who are beating us in education all respect their teachers and pay them well. In those countries, the top college students go into teaching.

It seems that the current TN Legislature is doing the opposite. I won't speculate on their motives, but if we believe that education is important then their methods are completely backwards.

If you want better teachers, then they should be paid well and given respect so that future college grads consider teaching as an attractive field. They should also be given some protection from the often capricious and hyper-political administration that has been installed in our schools by politicians.

June 6, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BobMKE,

Thank you for your input, several good points.

The union thugs in Wisconsin have truly shown their colors. They need to own their behavior and the consequences but the MSM is quite complicit in their refusal to cover the outrages up there.

From down here you have to PURSUE the news about Wisconsin. What we get to see is hours of Casey Anthony coverage. The MSM realizes that not airing the ugly selfish side of the union allows the likes of alprova and mountainlaurel to pretend that teachers are being "persecuted" unfairly. I really don't think they are that unaware and find their arguments disingenuous and somewhat sinister.

June 6, 2011 at 10:19 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Leaf said... "If you want better teachers, then they should be paid well and given respect"

Your approach has been tried and has failed because of tenure. You cannot reliably motivate anyone to do much more than sit on their a$$ as long as they can have a nice paycheck, benefits and security for sitting on their a$$. Leftist Leaf thinks you can solve any problem and overcome the realities of human nature by throwing more of someone else’s money at the problem and declaring "love and respect" for those who are failing to properly educate our children.

Lazy, irresponsible, dangerous thinking. The kind that has deeply damaged this country.

June 6, 2011 at 10:25 a.m.
canarysong said...

Limric,

EXCELLENT video! Everyone should see it. Thank you.

Alprova,

I'm going the miss the man-beetle but your new avatar is great, too. It suits you. The comment board is better with you back on it.

June 6, 2011 at 10:57 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Buzz beats the manbug by a long shot.

Who ya gonna rescue?

Teachers from their oppressive persecution?

June 6, 2011 at 11:13 a.m.
alprova said...

I think it's clear to spend another minute Arguing with Mr. Waffle Man, AKA Big Ridge Patriot. Clearly his opinion of all educators has been formed by the happenings in Madison, Wisconsin.

I personally don't care about what happens up there. It has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

I do care what that state's government is attempting to do to those teachers, because it is being mimicked across the country. It is without merit and an attempt by the Republicans across the states to weaken the Democratic base, in the states where they have a clear majority.

The good thing is, that for as much as they think no one is watching and that it will not blow up in their faces, there is going to be a backlash like never before. Attempting to weaken job standards in this nation and set them back a decade will not be overlooked or tolerated.

Wisconsin is going after the same issues with their firemen and policemen unions. Watch the fallout from that, if Walker and his Republican pals proceed with that plan. Click here to read it for yourself

June 6, 2011 at 11:15 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I think I saw a Tennessee Legislator sucker punch a 60 year old teacher in front of the welfare office last Friday! alprova, mountainlaurel and canarysong better go investigate that.

June 6, 2011 at 11:15 a.m.
alprova said...

Canarysong, you are too kind, and thank you for it.

June 6, 2011 at 11:18 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "I do care what that state's government is attempting to do to those teachers"

Are you talking about the sucker punching or do you have a real crime against humanity that we all need to be aware of.

Has anyone on this thread actually listed the outrages being thrust upon Tennessee teachers? Let's here it. I have been so focused on Wisconsin (according to alprova) that I may have actually missed a serious atrocity.

June 6, 2011 at 11:20 a.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "I think I saw a Tennessee Legislator sucker punch a 60 year old teacher in front of the welfare office last Friday! alprova, mountainlaurel and canarysong better go investigate that."

It's becoming extremely unreliable to follow up on anything you write anymore. I know I saw you waffle on your assertions that teachers in our area are defined and assessed by what educators do in a state 800 miles from our own. That's like comparing a Mazda to a Mercedes with a straight face.

Educators in this area have been fine to avoid any unpleasantness for at least 50 years, and yet you size them up with the same cloth used to demean those educators that protested that same 800 miles away from Chattanooga. Excuse me, but where do you get off?

Your usual demeanor is to whine about the cartoons Mr. Bennett draws. This week, you have spent just about all your credibility attempting to demean our local educators, and you know what? It hasn't worked and your credibility is completely shot. Ask anyone who hasn't shot theirs a long time ago.

Your problem is that you haven't come to realize that you're not from there anymore. And the flip side to that equation is that I'm not sure that you're from here either. You're off in LaLa Land.

June 6, 2011 at 11:31 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Please accept my sincere apology for not putting a "just kidding" after the sucker punch announcement. Sometimes I get carried away when you guys start crying your progressive blues. I hope you did not spend too much time researching that on your internet!

Seriously now, What are the atrocities being imposed on our teachers? I may have some more apologies to make here!

June 6, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Oh, alprova, and thank you for your insight about my geographical mental block. I think you have nailed the problem once again!

Note to self, wear UTC garb for one week to reinforce current residence, throw out all Badger stuff.

June 6, 2011 at 11:49 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Tenure? Collective Bargaining? Class Size?

Can anyone add the real atrocity that Clay is holding back?

June 6, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "I have been so focused on Wisconsin (according to alprova) that I may have actually missed a serious atrocity."

Well, your posts prove that fact. All of your assertions have been based on what happened up there. No one can cite one instance out of teachers in the Southeastern United States in the past four to five decades, where children's lives were put on hold as a result of any union member educator protestation effort or instance, outside of the strike in Florida in 1968.

Regarding what is being done to teachers in our area, Haslam and Co. initiated and signed into law, the Professional Educators Collaborative Conferencing Act (PECCA) has replaced the Education Professional Negotiations Act (EPNA) that was in place for more than 30 years.

The only problem is that no effort has been made by the state to set up a training program to train willing participants who are interested in representing teachers in the PECCA program, thus effectively killing any and all negotiations that could take place under PECCA.

Not all districts participated in collective bargaining provisions prior to PECCA and no district is required to honor any agreements made by PECCA, but while all agreements negotiated prior to Haslam's signature on PECCA are bound to by both sides, anything in the future is at a complete standstill, including all grievance filings currently pending.

It's not right and Tennessee teachers have not done a thing to deserve this intentional breach of their rights, which have been very productive until a Republican Governor stepped in the door and decide to follow the lead of a few other states in hamstringing likely Democratic supporters.

And it's not going to hold either, in this state or any other. Wisconsin will never get theirs past a judge, and Scott Walker will be burnt toast in 2012, watch and see.

June 6, 2011 at 12:02 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Al,

The Wisconsin Supreme Court is hearing this case as I am posting this. I'll let everyone know if they will accept to decide the case. I believe they will take the case and over rule the activist liberal judge from Madison. (Dream all Wisconsin ticket in 2016, Scott Walker and Paul Ryan, or the other way around)

June 6, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Leaf said: “It seems that the current TN Legislature is doing the opposite. I won't speculate on their motives, but if we believe that education is important then their methods are completely backwards.”

The current TN Legislature does seem to have their own agenda and they do seem determined to tell their fellow Tennesseans who among us can do what.

Several weeks ago, they were voting on a bill SB1224, which involved the brewing industry. In the bill there was what has been described by several local craft brewers an oddly worded amendment that would restrict the high gravity beer breweries permits to only three breweries in the entire state – one in East TN, one in Middle TN, and one in West TN.

In the matter of the breweries and the oddly worded amendment of the TN legislature, local craft brewers fought back. Hopefully, Tennessee’s fine teachers will do the same.

June 6, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Mr. Waffle Man, let's put this into terms that you may be able to grasp.

You've as much as admitted that your kids are finished with school. So are mine. But I have grandkids that are close to beginning their education. So will you one day, I'm sure.

Do you want to entrust those kids to those who are willing to work for low wages? Are you going to trust them to be competent educators? Those currently educating our kids are going to move to other better paying positions. When standards are lowered, you get what you pay for. It's happened time and again in other professions.

Do you not ask yourself why it is that Republicans are hellbent on lowering standards of employment, work standards and conditions, and compensation packages, and who will benefit from it? Does that ever cross your mind? Are you going to be behind all of this if someone you love dies in a horrible work related accident, because standards were lowered?

You are ignorantly supporting a retraction of negotiations that raised this country out of the ashes when people were paid next to nothing, worked 16 hours a day, and who died by the hundreds of thousands because there were no work standards. Does any of that ever cross your mind?

Unions, for what they evolved into that is negatively viewed by some, were once responsible for people being able to live long and productive lives, as well as being able to spend time with their families, up to 16 hours a day in most cases. Let's not forget that for many years in this nation, women were able to raise their children in the home while their husband's earned a very productive living.

You don't see a problem these days with what has slowly evolved in this nation, in that now it is almost a requirement for both parents to have a job, if they want to have a decent home to live in, and to be able to provide for their children's future?

We're going backwards, and it is mindless people like yourself, who endorse it, promote it, and are causing these new standards of living to progress. What do get out of it? I know you are not the owner of a mega-corporation, with thousands of employees. So why would you sit there and knock people with decent jobs with benefits? How are they hurting you?

June 6, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova, do you realize that you just committed, in two posts, over 700 words? Mostly you explain why you support unions and despise ignorant, hating, mindless Waffleman! Whoever that is!

If you tried to describe the persecution of TN teachers, the best I can come up with from all of those words is...

1) signed into law, the Professional Educators Collaborative Conferencing Act (PECCA)

2) that no effort has been made by the state to set up a training program to train willing participants who are interested in representing teachers in the PECCA program

3) anything in the future is at a complete standstill, including all grievance filings currently pending.

You throw that stuff out like it is important and we should all view it as oppressive persecution of teachers. Do I have this right? Is this what we are killing our teachers with? I am just trying to make sure I do not lead us off on a useless tangent, like Wisconsin.

June 6, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Limric,

Many thanks for “What Teachers Make” . . . It’s GREAT. . . I’ll pass it along.

June 6, 2011 at 1:10 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova asked BigRidgePatriot: "Do you want to entrust those kids to those who are willing to work for low wages? Are you going to trust them to be competent educators? Those currently educating our kids are going to move to other better paying positions. When standards are lowered, you get what you pay for. It's happened time and again in other professions."

Mighty fine question, Alprova. Too bad BigRidgePatriot failed to answer it.

June 6, 2011 at 1:17 p.m.
limric said...

alprova,

I'll try to help you understand what you're dealing with.

Our country has been invaded – not by space aliens – but by people with a particularly frightening mental illness. They are psychopaths. They are not guided by a sense of right or wrong. They seem to be unaffected by the feelings of others, including feelings of distress caused by their actions.

The United States corporatocracy has become a perfect habitat for psychopaths. What has allowed so many psychopaths to rise so high in corporations, and then government, is that they are so decisive. They are going to do something every effing day and they are not afraid. Unlike normal people, they are never filled with doubts, for the simple reason that they don’t care what happens next. Do this! Do that! Mobilize the reserves! Privatize the public schools! Attack Iraq! Cut health care! Tap everybody’s telephone! Cut taxes on the rich!

The economic system that remains after the destruction of American, local culture has created an excellent employment picture for psychopaths. However, the opportunities open to them are now so vast that there is apparently now an actual labor shortage. That’s the only explanation I can think of for the amount of vitriol those right wing psychopaths post here; they try to mimic the first string psychopaths but they’re simply not that smart. One has only to look at right-wing not-so-Christian fundamentalists to see that most of the brainwashed right is of the second-string variety.

People like the Koch brothers and others of the super-rich have undertaken a final push to consolidate control through the conversion of a marginally democratic to an essentially fascist state; extreme right-wing, authoritarian, and demagogic. This kind of government is ideal for control of a populace. To carry this out requires the employment of many ‘kept’ politicians to excite and misdirect scared and angry – and ignorant – second string psychopaths. Lest the citizenry realize who stole their money and storm the castles with torches and pitchforks, the elite need politicians who will carry out the work of re-directing anger at teachers, or labor unions, or the poor.

Conclusion: The people who now own the country couldn’t find any first-rate psychopaths to carry out their work. Or maybe the smart ones were all occupied. So they had to go to second-stringers, people who could actually believe what they were told to say. You’re responding to them, the second-best of our psychopaths - in a language they don't want to, nor can, understand.

June 6, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dear mountainlaurel,

I am trying to focus on the persecution of our Tennessee teachers. alprova has accused me of bringing irrelevent material into the discussion and I am trying to be a better person for him.

Are you suggesting that alprova is saying that Tennessee teacher wages have been cut to "low" levels? If so, what kind of draconian cuts have they been subjected to!

Just trying to get to the root of all the hysteria here!

June 6, 2011 at 1:31 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Now we get over 400 words from limric. Nothing about the plight of teachers, that I can find, only denegration of people who do not think like alprova and limric.

I think I am starting to see a pattern here!

June 6, 2011 at 1:33 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Is this staying on subject requirement kind of like the moral behavior thing?

Right thinkers have to be pure as the driven snow and stay razor focused on the Left thinker's talking points.

Left thinkers engage in any sexual activity with anyone or anything at any time and place that they like and are free to wander off topic for no reason what so ever!

I think I am starting to get it!

June 6, 2011 at 1:39 p.m.
limric said...

BRP,

You didn’t do to well in reading comprehension did you? Read it again. Go ahead, I’ll wait. I do this for a living (writing that is). You’ll either get it and a light bulb will turn on…or the crux of my diatribe defines the meaning of a mobius strip.

Quote: “Right thinkers have to be pure as the driven snow and stay razor focused on the Left thinker's talking points. Left thinkers engage in any sexual activity with anyone or anything at any time and place that they like and are free to wander off topic for no reason what so ever!” Now that I like. Slushpile writing at its finest. A man after my own heart. A round of applause.

June 6, 2011 at 1:47 p.m.
rolando said...

You got it, BigRidge...big time.

Alpo hasn't change his "tactics" at all -- he takes everything literally, no sense of humor or irony, go far afield using multi-page postings [those have yet to recur, so far].

June 6, 2011 at 1:56 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I love how BRP accuses others of doing exactly what he's doing. I've seen it time and time again with him. BRP, you are a hateful racist pig and I wish Larry Craig would rape you in an airport restroom. Wander off that topic.

June 6, 2011 at 2 p.m.
rolando said...

And our "fine" cartoonist finds yet another chance to ignore one of America's finest and noblest achievements [along with her allies] just to continue his "Hate America" campaign...Republicans in particular.

Deepest respect to all those who gave their all for us on this day...and their families.

My uncle made all four combat jumps wearing the "AA" patch, presumably as part of the 505th PIR. He was at the Bulge. When asked if he ever wanted to see Germany as a tourist, his answer? "No. I was there once. I walked it."

He was one of three in his original training group who survived the war.

May God keep him and bless him...and all the other heroes of that day...the day we have pretty well forgotten.

June 6, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
llamapop said...

Here are some facts. 1) Teachers have not been "given" anything. What they have was won in a bargaining agreement. If our school boards and commissioners weren't so lily-livered, they would have stuck to their guns during negotiations. 2) There is NO recognized proven method for evaluating a teacher's competence. Standardized testing is only one thing, but not everything. 3) Our state representatives are people who are in the best job they ever had. Most never had the pay and benefits they enjoy now. Right now they are drunk with power and forgot that they campaigned on jobs-jobs.

June 6, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "You didn’t do to well in reading comprehension did you? Read it again. Go ahead, I’ll wait. I do this for a living (writing that is)"

I guess not! I skimmed your diatribe again and once more failed to find anything on topic. Guess what! alprova, mountainlaurel, and sometimes yourself commit huge volumes of words and often do not make a relevant point. When confronted with one of these papers I quite often skim it looking for anything relevant and do not actually read it. After skimming pages and pages of silly garbage it sometimes gets to be impossible to resist going off on a silly tangent of my own.

I am not here to spend hours reading literary works. I make one tangential comment, which really was not tangential in my mind, and alprova dogs me for hours about it! Now I try to drag him back on topic and am not getting very far.

What is the offense that can be described as persecution of our Tennessee Teachers? Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller? Has anyone seen a point to all of this hysteria lately?

June 6, 2011 at 2:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "you are a hateful racist pig and I wish Larry Craig would rape you in an airport restroom"

I am Grinning from Ear To Ear!

Thank you dude for demonstrating where the real hate resides! You would be right at home demonstrating in Wisconsin with all of the union thugs. If I put up the least bit of resistance as you parasites try to steal my wages & property you go into a fit of rage!

Priceless!

June 6, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Dude,

Thank you. You made my day!

Own It!

June 6, 2011 at 2:51 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

llamapop said... "There is NO recognized proven method for evaluating a teacher's competence."

And there is no recognized proven method for evaluating my performance. Does that mean I deserve tenure? Does it mean tenure is ever a good idea?

No

June 6, 2011 at 2:55 p.m.
canarysong said...

BPR wrote,

"Left thinkers engage in any sexual activity with anyone or anything at any time and place that they like..."

--- Whew!..... Just let me catch my breath a moment from my exhausting (but oh so fun) round of perverted debauchery........

L4F, re: your 1:31 post,

I have no doubt whatsoever that you wouldn't know good food, good health, or good education if they bit you on your backside.

June 6, 2011 at 2:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

canarysong said... "Just let me catch my breath a moment from my exhausting (but oh so fun) round of perverted debauchery..."

Now, canarysong has a sense of humor! How can we project some of that over to alprova?

June 6, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Is anyone ready to explain how our Tennessee Teachers are being persecuted? It is about time we wrapped this thing up.

June 6, 2011 at 3:05 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

well...it's quite apparent everyone that we're not at limric's and alprova's intellectual level....yet.. maybe one day, huh?

oh what a bitter pill it must be to swallow to realize the man you thought was your leftist knight in shining armor,obama, has morphed into an evil corporatist and no better than a mob boss.

how humiliating

it must be exhausting for you two to try and convince everyone that what they see and experience doesn't count.

i'll tell you what we see..those of us who deal in reality...we see a cold, finger pointing statist in the white house, wolfing down chilli dogs, playing golf, vacationing and wiping his ass with our constitution. we see a minority, fat ass entitlement class throwing temper tantrums because they might have to sacrifice a tiny bit in order to help the majority who pay their salaries......we see friends, family and neighbors giving up on finding work and the rest losing their jobs...we see employers in the private sector under attack and the federal workforce beoming wealthier..we see obama and his cronies handing out waivers to obamacare to those who kiss their asses...we see illegal aliens and terrorists being giving the same consideration as citizens.....

nobody's buying what you're selling....you're not that good at it.

June 6, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "Alpo hasn't change his "tactics" at all -- he takes everything literally, no sense of humor or irony, go far afield using multi-page postings [those have yet to recur, so far]."

Give me time. I'll work up to what irritates you. In the meantime, I'll revel in the humorous fact that since I have returned, I need not worry about you sticking your neck out in a post with incredible words that can be easily attacked. You simply cannot stand to be corrected.

June 6, 2011 at 3:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "Dude, Thank you. You made my day!"

Wow. I don't think I've ever witnessed someone get so excited at the thought of being raped by Larry Craig before, but to each his own.

June 6, 2011 at 3:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridege Patriot wrote: "How can we project some of that over to alprova?"

I have a fantastic sense of humor. I've proven it time and again in here.

The problem is that you Sir, are not funny.

June 6, 2011 at 3:35 p.m.
rolando said...

"...perverted debauchery..."

I remember that..[sighs wistfully].

June 6, 2011 at 3:36 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

hey, dude...your post sounds hateful to me.

craig is old news....we're living in weiner world now...it's wiener world!......now the culture of corruption ball is back in the democrat's court.

yeah, alprova..we're all waiting with our hearts pounding for your next incite packed post. what a smug leftist....

June 6, 2011 at 3:37 p.m.
rolando said...

That'll be the day, alpo...the next millenium, maybe. Please...hold your breath.

And a sense of humor? Yeah, right.

June 6, 2011 at 3:37 p.m.
alprova said...

And a day would not be complete without the Salt Water Primate Humanoid tying all of this to the President of the United States.

Oooh Oooh Oooh Oooh. Gaaagh! Gaaagh! Gaagh! Gaaagh! (Suck on a banana you freak of nature.)

June 6, 2011 at 3:40 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova,

Now that you are back can you please explain the hysteria over what has been done to our Tennessee Teachers?

I am still looking for the persecution... You guys and gals have done an absolutely abysmal job of making the case that our fair Teachers have been beaten up at the hands of the Tennessee Legislature.

June 6, 2011 at 3:40 p.m.
rolando said...

Dude? Hateful, SeaMonkey? Surely you jest, sirrah. Oh calm, my beating heart.

[Yeah, I know. Don't call you Shirley...]

June 6, 2011 at 3:40 p.m.
rolando said...

Very ancient Little Old Lady joke coming up...all those offended by LOL jokes pass by.

LOL tells her Doctor " I am losing my urge for sex."

Doc sez, "But you are 80! When did you notice this?"

LOL: "Last night. And then again this morning."

[My kind of LOL.]

June 6, 2011 at 3:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Well then Rolando, be my guest. Post a lie and see if I don't call you on the carpet for it, and I'll watch you whine like a two year old, just like you've done a dozen times in the past.

I've got a great sense of humor. I just hate liars like yourself, who cannot make a point without resorting to dishonesty.

June 6, 2011 at 3:46 p.m.
rolando said...

In your dreams, alpo. And only in your dreams [the wet ones].

June 6, 2011 at 3:47 p.m.
alprova said...

That was funny?

Yikes. Aren't you pushing 80 yourself?

No wonder you thought it was funny.

June 6, 2011 at 3:47 p.m.
rolando said...

Great sense of humor, huh? Again, only in your dreams.

June 6, 2011 at 3:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge Patriot wrote: "alprova, Now that you are back can you please explain the hysteria over what has been done to our Tennessee Teachers?"

Look you pathetic twerp, YOU are the very person who attacked the local teachers. The proof is all up above. Collective bargaining rights have been canceled with the passage and signature into law instituting PECCA.

PECCA is a useless means by which educators in our area are receiving representation, because the program has not been enacted into an active program.

"I am still looking for the persecution... You guys and gals have done an absolutely abysmal job of making the case that our fair Teachers have been beaten up at the hands of the Tennessee Legislature."

Who but yourself used the word "persecution?" Again, you were the one and only person who alleged that teachers in our area used tactics of coercion, manipulation, and threats.

Then you used the Wisconsin union members as 'proof' of those alleged charges. If you think you have one shred of credibility after those arguments, then more power to you. Don't expect that too many people are on board with that which you have attempted to shovel into this forum today.

As for me, I am finished with you and your pathetic attempt to demean educators in this area. You join Rolando and lay in the same bed with him, totally lacking credibility henceforth s far as I am concerned. I'll be happy to correct your misinformation, but we'll not be debating serious subjects. You've squandered that forever.

June 6, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "Great sense of humor, huh? Again, only in your dreams."

I think you've made that point once before. Did you think you were funny?

Here. I'll make you feel better.

HAW HAW HAW....ugh snort.....Hee Hee Hee.....gulp!.....HAW HEE HAW....oh my.....GULP!....Agh.....Gosh that was funny.....

Fell better now?

Now go pout in the corner.

June 6, 2011 at 4:08 p.m.
rolando said...

I'll paraphrase it for you alpo, "Only in your dreams do you have a sense of humor". Exactly what do your find -- or expect to find -- in that statement?

Weird sense of humor you have. Uptight and wired would be more descriptive...and more accurate.

June 6, 2011 at 4:12 p.m.
hambone said...

Did Ya'll see that! This forum went almost all day without the TrollMonkey chimeing in and bringing Obama into the conversation.When the subject is Tennessee teachers. Glad you could make Francis!

June 6, 2011 at 4:16 p.m.
limric said...

Canarysong,

"perverted debauchery"? Whoo...man. That's a good'n.

I didn't catch that at first. Then it came at me like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist. ---whatever that means. :-)

Tally Ho...

June 6, 2011 at 4:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

Limric,

Good video. Teachers as described wouldn't need tenure. More graduates would be better prepared for the world of work in any chosen career. Our economy probably wouldn't be in the tank so bad and people would support better pay for teachers of the caliber depicted in the video. They are not currently under paid when compared to what others in the community earn. Good teachers unfortunately get lumped in with the incompetent lazy ones. I don't profess to know the right answer but I am confident neither does the big money union and the leaders I have seen in those positions. Like many other things the greed of those union folks is dispicable.

June 6, 2011 at 4:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

But alprova! I am trying to be less pathetic and (twerpish?) so that I can be a worthy foil to your pointless diatribes!

So, am I to understand that the persecution of Tennessee Teachers is by elimination of collective bargaining? That is the best you can do? I have only been a member of a union for a couple of months when I was 16 years old. Does that mean I am being oppressed and persecuted? Abused? You choose the word if you don't like mine. I am just trying to understand the hysteria (is that word OK with you or would you like to take objection to that one also?).

If elimination of collective bargaining is the sin of our legislature that has your panties so in a wad, why do you think teachers are entitled to collective bargaining?

June 6, 2011 at 4:29 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “What a bunch of sanctimonious hog wash! Teachers, police and firefighters are all some kind of special people that are above budget issues and entitled to extraordinary wages and benefits while the majority of their benefactors have to make deep cuts?”

In a world where Blue Cross insurance executives earn over four million dollars a year and a Blue Cross board member receives a hundred thousand dollars for attending eight annual meetings, I’d say the salaries of teachers, law enforcement, firefighters, and public workers are a real bargain, BigRidgePatriot. The reality is the majority of these people make less than half of what these Blue Cross Board members make for attending eight annual meetings. To suggest that the salaries of teachers, law enforcement and firefighters are extraordinary is simply dishonest and mean spirited.

June 6, 2011 at 4:36 p.m.
tderng said...

mountainlaurel,I do believe that the union bosses make about the same as executives in bcbs or elsewhere.The workers however make much more than the private sector workers who pay them!

Weiners wiener was Weiners wiener!!!!ha ha ha!!!

June 6, 2011 at 4:55 p.m.
rolando said...

Maybe those executives offer a rare something that others don't have, mountainlaurel?, and that makes them more than worth their salary? Such as increasing their business and therefore their profits? Only a few have that ability...and it is a man-killer.

Admittedly, fire[wo]men rescue people, police[wo]men protect them, and teachers educate them...but all they are doing is feeding the spark that builds into a powerhouse of economics...a profitable corporation. A necessary job, to be sure, but a rather common one in comparison.

I know "profits" is a four-letter word to you, but it keeps the taxes flowing in to support those expensive programs you so adore.

You are living what happens when the businesses send the jobs offshore. GE just [legally] shorted us $2 Billion in taxes since they moved their manufacturing to China.

June 6, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot asked: "Is anyone ready to explain how our Tennessee Teachers are being persecuted? It is about time we wrapped this thing up."

To create a law designed to prohibit a specifc group of people from establishing and participating in an orgniazation of their choice is persecution, BigRidgePatriot. Organizations like Chattanooga’s Chamber of Commerce receive tax payer dollars, their membership has the right to network, and they have a very clear voice in local, state, and federal government political issues. If TN legislators created a law prohibting business owners from participating in these Chamber activities would you consider it appropriate? Do legislators have the right to tell citizens who can do what when it comes to organizational memberships? I don't think so.

June 6, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... “In a world where Blue Cross insurance executives earn over four million dollars a year and a Blue Cross board member receives a hundred thousand dollars for attending eight annual meetings, I’d say the salaries of teachers, law enforcement, firefighters, and public workers are a real bargain, BigRidgePatriot. The reality is the majority of these people make less than half of what these Blue Cross Board members make for attending eight annual meetings. To suggest that the salaries of teachers, law enforcement and firefighters are extraordinary is simply dishonest and mean spirited.”

Nice to see you wade back in since you are the one that declared teachers are being persecuted (note for alprova). First, let me clue you in. The wages and benefits of BCBS execs do not have any bearing on teacher wages and benefits. Second, since you BCBS example is irrelevant, so is your statement that public worker wages and benefits are a bargain is baseless. Your third statement is also baseless since you insist on measuring the world through your wealth envy tainted eyes. By your logic, I guess everyone is entitled to make more than they are worth just because someone, in your eyes, makes more than they are worth. That makes you sound like a child screaming for YOUR candy when you see some in the hand of another. I am just stating the facts as I see it. It puzzles me how you feel justified in calling me dishonest and mean spirited. I think that the total compensation package for teachers is out of step with their skill set. As a group, they are failing at their job.
Regardless, I am not calling for a wage decrease for Tennessee Teachers. I would be perfectly satisfied to see them make a more reasonable contribution to their health care and retirement, something on par with a professional in the private sector. Is that “mean spirited”? I also think it is irresponsible to give teachers collective bargaining rights considering that they are bargaining with elected officials and the “clout” they can bring to the electoral process. (trying to use words that will not offend the sensibilities of alprova). Finally, tenure should be eliminated immediately. Teachers should be paid on performance just like most professionals are.

June 6, 2011 at 5:02 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

looks like weiner admitted to his lewd texts. but, of course, he won't resign because there are two different standards..one for democrats and one for republicans. see...bill clinton lowered the bar...if the president of the united states can get away with taking advantage of a subordinate in the white house, and the same residence his wife and daughter lived in, then anything's ok.

no, hambreath.you libs are trolls..everyone on this forum who is not a liberal/democrat/progressive /leftist is an equal opportunity criticizer....but you lib dems are stupidly loyal to a party that's as thoroughly corrupt as anthony weiner's nose is long.

and hambreath..there can't be enough said about obama and what he's done to this country... unlike you libs though...i base my critiicism on facts......you know, reality....that little thing you libs don't recognize..

June 6, 2011 at 5:04 p.m.
hambone said...

What does all this mean? I have read that there were 112 different school boards in Tennessee. Of these 96 negotiated with the teachers union. The individual teacher is bound by these negotiations.

What is the difference between collective bargaining and conferencing?

Does this mean that a school board will have to negotiate with each teacher individually?

Will the school board have a take it or leave it attitude?

Will the really good teachers be able to shop their services out to school districts for the best package?

It seems that school systems are always short teachers to fill all positions.

Will school boards have to fill these positions with the poorer teachers?

Or will this mean soaring teacher/student ratios?

Won't this system cause cronyizm much more than tenure?

June 6, 2011 at 5:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Mountainlaurel, he's a lost cause. He's been discredited throughout this entire thread, and yet he's acting as if he just jumped into the conversation. He laid the accusations. They have been thoroughly debunked. And still he acts as if he has not offered them.

For sure the man would be singing a different tune if it were a Conservative or Republican organization being targeted, such as a state's Chamber of Commerce.

June 6, 2011 at 5:12 p.m.
hambone said...

And to add, teachers in the Chattanooga area have the option of commuting to a North Georgia school district.

Looks like it will be a seller's market.

June 6, 2011 at 5:24 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rolando said: "Maybe those executives offer a rare something that others don't have, mountainlaurel? Maybe those executives offer a rare something that others don't have, mountainlaurel?, and that makes them more than worth their salary? Such as increasing their business and therefore their profits?"

I don't think occupations like teaching, law enforcement, and fire safety are common professions, Rolando. All three of these professions require a tremendous amount of skills, talent, education and discipline. Clearly, these people are entitled to make decent wages/benefits and deserve the respect of the communities they serve.

June 6, 2011 at 5:25 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova noted: "He's a lost cause. . . He laid the accusations. They have been thoroughly debunked. And still he acts as if he has not offered them. For sure the man would be singing a different tune if it were a Conservative or Republican organization being targeted, such as a state's Chamber of Commerce. "

Indeed, Alprova. You’ve done a great job debunking BigRidgePatriot’s arguments, but he simply doesn’t have the wisdom to see it. I suspect he along with his fellow Republicans will not be content until our fine teachers, law enforcement officers, firefighters, and other public workers are making poverty level wages and qualify for food stamps.

June 6, 2011 at 5:54 p.m.
tderng said...

mountainlaurel said...All three of these professions require a tremendous amount of skills, talent, education and discipline.

so do the people in healthcare such as nurses,radiologic technologists,surgical techs etc,etc. they don't get these incredible retirement packages that public sector workers get.

June 6, 2011 at 6:28 p.m.
hambone said...

tderng, As the husband of an RN I can tell you that you are all wet when you say they don't get a good health and retirement package.

June 6, 2011 at 6:58 p.m.
Reardon said...

Who in the private sector gets to retire with 80% of their last 5 years' salary in their early 50s, and continues to live off that pension for no work effort for another 25-35 years on average?

I love my skilled and talented teachers from high school. But damn -- at the price above, it's clearly a racket, and they just aren't worth it.

June 6, 2011 at 7:11 p.m.
Reardon said...

Why not allow the market to set the price for teacher's salary, based on performance and results, not on tenure?

The prospect to make high 5-figures to low 6-figures will attract highly talented individuals into the field of teaching, and the threat of elimination of the low-performers will get rid of the crappy educators.

Run it like any other respectable business, I say. Why not?

June 6, 2011 at 7:15 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

i think that's a great idea,...great approach.. reardon.

i think liberals/lefties/progressives/democrats fear competition......they want a monoply..they love to control and hold on to power by pursuing guarantees.

teachers unions fear being challenged and performance based compensation.

there may be problems with a voucher system..it may not be perfect, but teachers unions will do anything to destroy the idea.

cowards.

June 6, 2011 at 7:49 p.m.
tderng said...

hambone,some hospitals may match anywhere from 2-5 percent of your pay into a 401k or a retirement plan they use.Healthcare workers do not get 80% of their salary for the next 20 to 30 years.

June 6, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.
hambone said...

Reardon, Do you think property taxes will support 6-figure wages?

Still looking for answers to my 5:11 post.

June 6, 2011 at 8:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Reardon said... Why not allow the market to set the price for teacher's salary, based on performance and results, not on tenure?

The prospect to make high 5-figures to low 6-figures will attract highly talented individuals into the field of teaching, and the threat of elimination of the low-performers will get rid of the crappy educators.

Run it like any other respectable business, I say. Why not?

...Seamonkey loves it! Six figures for teachers is fine! I wonder why those same meritorious teachers are not fighting alongside the union busters? I guess it's complexicated, confuserating, even discompopulating.

June 6, 2011 at 9:02 p.m.
moonpie said...

BRP, do you really think teachers, police and fire officers are over compensated?

My sister has been teaching for years in this area, lives modestly, paycheck to paycheck, has little left to save, works 60 hours a week, and buys school supplies for her class because of underfunding.

She made more money as a massage therapist, and didn't have to deal with bureaucrats like the ones you seem to support.

You amaze me, on the one hand lamenting the state of education, while withdrawing support from and demoralizing teachers. Exactly how does this course of action attract higher quality people to the job? It's like you're saying, "come work for me so I can insult you and conspire to pay you as little as possible."

June 6, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.
hambone said...

tderng, You lost me on that one. Who are you talking about getting 80% for 20-30 yrs?

June 6, 2011 at 9:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Moonpie asked: "BRP, do you really think teachers, police and fire officers are over compensated?"

I'm betting the BRP has a problem with anyone who makes more than a convenience store clerk, which is probably his chosen profession. How else can he explain his outrage of anyone else who has a decent job with benefits?

Where is this slide into the early 1900's going to stop? And why is it that people like BRP are on board with making the middle class the new poor class? His stance is rooted in pure and unadulterated ignorance.

June 6, 2011 at 9:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “Your third statement is also baseless since you insist on measuring the world through your wealth envy tainted eyes.”

Well, BRP, since you’ve spent most of the day complaining about these alleged “extraordinary” salaries of teachers, law enforcement officers and firefighters, I’d say you are the one who seems to be suffering from salary envy. As to why, I don’t know. Afterall, the average teacher in Tennessee only makes around $46,000 a year, which is not really a lot of money in the big picture, especially when you consider the amount of time it takes to become a teacher and the cost of getting a teaching credential. As to law enforcement and firefighters, these are rather high risk occupations, and the people who work in these fields risk their lives everytime they go to work, which should account for something - even to someone like you, BigRidgePatriot.

June 6, 2011 at 9:46 p.m.
canarysong said...

Since it's late and I don't have anything to add on this subject that hasn't already been well-articulated by others, I will share a little education-themed humor. This is from the Washington Post's Mensa Invitational, which invited readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. 

Here are the winners:     1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.   2 Ignoranus : A person who's both stupid and an a--hole.    3. Intaxicaton : Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.    4. Reintarnation : Coming back to life as a hillbilly.    5. Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future   6. Foreploy : Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid..     7. Giraffiti : Vandalism spray-painted very, very high     8. Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.    9. Inoculatte : To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.    10. Osteopornosis : A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)    11. Karmageddon : It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.     12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.    13. Glibido : All talk and no action.     14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.     15.  Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a  spider web.    16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.    17. Caterpallor ( n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you're eating.

June 6, 2011 at 10:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Hamebone inquired: "tderng, You lost me on that one. Who are you talking about getting 80% for 20-30 yrs?"

tderng, like Big Ride Patriot is under some impression that all teachers in this area receive some elaborate pension as workers of the public school system. Like other state workers, they contribute a substantial amount to a pension system that nets them an average of about $15,000 a year, assuming that they hit $45,000 a year in at least their final five or six years.

Pensions like those cited by tderng and BRP are rare and disappearing day by day. You have to look very hard to find those kind of pensions anymore. Even in Wisconsin, there was already a movement from an employer sponsored pension to that of one in which the employee contributed to it. That process began in 2000.

For the rest of us, we're now looking for employers that even offer benefits of any kind these days. The tax credits offered by the Government are not working to persuade employers to offer hospitalization insurance to their employers. And forget retirement packages. They are disappearing altogether for low level workers.

It may come to pass that if there is a shift by employers to offer packages to workers be some, that all may begin offering them again in order to retain workers, but for now, they can hire off the street, those eager to work at any price, in order to survive.

This is the America that gives Republicans and Tea Party members orgasms just thinking about it. The less you make, the more they take in terms of contributions from those who employ workers.

They're lowering standards. They're lowering wages. They're attempting to lower and eliminate safety standards. They want to roll back civil rights achievements. The list goes on and on.

June 6, 2011 at 10:20 p.m.
canarysong said...

That didn't post in the neat, easy to read format in which I wrote it and I can't seem to fix it - sorry...

June 6, 2011 at 10:25 p.m.
alprova said...

I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that those who consider themselves to be Tea Partiers and Conservative Republicans will not be satisfied until people of poorer means, when faced with no way at all to support themselves, will pick up a pistol and blow their brains out on a wall, rather that to dare impose upon others to depend on a meager check for sustenance, despite their record of contributions taken from them for decades, and dare impose on the active taxpayers for health care.

And because they have this desire to determine and the willingness to eliminate the elderly, the sick, and the disabled are no longer useful members of society and a burden on everyone else, may they all go to Hell and reap their just rewards.

June 6, 2011 at 10:33 p.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "That didn't post in the neat, easy to read format in which I wrote it and I can't seem to fix it - sorry..."

Here, I'll fix that for you. They are outrageously funny by the way.

01.) Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.

02.) Ignoranus : A person who's both stupid and an a--hole.

03.) Intaxicaton : Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.

04.) Reintarnation : Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

05.) Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future

06.) Foreploy : Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid..

07.) Giraffiti : Vandalism spray-painted very, very high

08.) Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

09.) Inoculatte : To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

10.) Osteopornosis : A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

11.) Karmageddon : It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.

12.) Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

13.) Glibido : All talk and no action.

14.) Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

15.) Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

16.) Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

17.) Caterpallor ( n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you're eating.

June 6, 2011 at 10:40 p.m.
tderng said...

canarysong...that was a needed lapse into humor.Were there more and what is the web address?

June 6, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.
canarysong said...

tderng,

Glad you liked it. (My favorite is "Karmageddon"- cracks me up!) A friend sent that to me, so I don't have a link. If you look up Washington Post Mensa Invitational it should come up. They do it every year; If you find a more recent one, post it for us. Meanwhile.....

The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words.    And the winners are:

1. Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.     2. Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.     3. Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.    4. Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.    5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.     6. Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.    7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.    8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.    9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.    10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.    11. Testicle, n. A humorous question on an exam.     12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.     13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.

14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.     15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.    (also from my friend - no link) The format will likely go wonky on this one, too.

June 6, 2011 at 11:24 p.m.
canarysong said...

Hey, Alprova - thanks!! THAT'S the way it's supposed to look! Sometimes I hit a wall with my computer skills. The only way that I knew to fix it was to type it all out by hand rather than cutting and pasting. I love you guys, but.... REALLY..... I have my limits!

Want another project?

June 6, 2011 at 11:30 p.m.
alprova said...

canarysong wrote: "The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. And the winners are:"

01.) Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.

02.) Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.

03.) Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.

04.) Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.

05.) Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.

06.) Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.

07.) Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.

08.) Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.

09.) Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.

10.) Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.

11.) Testicle, n. A humorous question on an exam.

12.) Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.

13.) Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.

14.) Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.

15.) Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there. (also from my friend - no link) The format will likely go wonky on this one, too.

June 7, 2011 at 4:01 a.m.
alprova said...

Formatting the list is simple. The reason that it goes haywire when you post it, is because the antiquated program in the TFP forums ignores the list numbers . What I do to counter that is to simply use the enter button to place the individual entries in list format and add the ")" behind the number after the period to make sure it stays in place. It would be easier to format posts if it used the more common html formatting. I have no idea what the above is. Maybe someone else does. I've never seen anything like it and the formulas shown in the "help" section are not even accurate when posting links.

June 7, 2011 at 4:12 a.m.
canarysong said...

Alprova,

Thanks for taking the time to fix it for me, and for explaining it. You did this at 4 AM? You're a Mensch (see 'oyster' on list 2). I'll see if I can make it work myself next time. After having an inoculatte (#9 on first list), I might be able to manage it.

June 7, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.
Reardon said...

Hambone -- easy answer -- privatize education.

June 7, 2011 at 10:29 p.m.
chet123 said...

see June 6th 5:02..comment made by bigridge...How can you justify those high salaries...do he realize cost are passed on to the insured....this man is a real idiot....i beleive this boot kisser is being paid by the rich and greedy...the fool say insurance excutive high salaries are irrelavent...so he cherry picks salaries of governmet employees..LOL LOL what a fool!this is what happen when a no brain with no priciple listen to a wing-bag as Rush Limbaugh.....Once again i say republican are anti-america

June 7, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.
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