published Saturday, June 18th, 2011

The Economic Open

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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BigRidgePatriot said...

Wow. Clay is back in spades, showing his ignorance of the GOP message.

June 18, 2011 at 1:19 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said... "I dare you"

...and then he ran into the shadows? Big tough guy that he is!

June 18, 2011 at 1:19 a.m.
flpbpress said...

I wonder how Mr. Bennett would treat Barack Obama if he had been a Republican, and done exactly the same things he has done since taking office.

I fear Mr. Bennett would vote for anyone with a "D" next to his name on the ballot, even if it was Adolf Hitler.

June 18, 2011 at 1:46 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

flpbpress said... "I fear Mr. Bennett would vote for anyone with a "D" next to his name on the ballot, even if it was Adolf Hitler."

I am afraid you are right. Bennett is a hopeless ideologue.

June 18, 2011 at 1:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett, you dork, how about a golf bag with a jackass on the side and a club labeled SPEND (our children's money) sitting lonely in the bag.

June 18, 2011 at 1:54 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Whatever's in his bag, our President has driven every economic shot into the tank since he took office. (The recession didn't start until he was a senator with Pelosi and Reid leading Congress.) Time to bet on another golfer. Or draw President Obama with a bag of clubs lacking heads?

Deregulation and spending cuts, or at least spending-growth slowdowns, are surely in the GOP bag as well? I hope so. If our President can't serve an economy, how can he tell us what kinds of light bulbs and toilet tanks to buy? Turn him off and flush him away.

Along flpbpress's line, Larry Elder had a column imagining that John McCain had been elected, after confessing his ignorance of economics, and gotten the results we now see.

June 18, 2011 at 2:18 a.m.
limric said...

Pretty good effort Clay, but you left out the GOP's favorite club. One it uses often and well...the wedge.

June 18, 2011 at 6:23 a.m.
woody said...

Thank you limric..for a second there I thought I would have to take on this crowd of nincompoops all by myself. However, if anyone else would like to join in the fray..there seem to be plenty of "poops" to go around..Woody

June 18, 2011 at 6:50 a.m.
Momus said...

Good thing this 'golf summit' isn't in Polk Co.

June 18, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

The U.S. open is notorious for it's allowing the rough to grow. It is the toughest on the tour. The 'toon doesn't accurately portray the rough the U.S. economy is in. Perhaps Mr. Bennett has in mind the clubs needed to get out of the rough and will present a 'toon showing those clubs and the players selecting the right club to use to recover from the poor shot that got them in so far in the rough. The last U.S. player to take a swing hit the ball further into even higher rough and blamed the last player for his poor shot. The U.S. may not have a player capable of keeping them in the game.

Another accurate 'toon would be showing those players whose scores are too high to make the cut and will be eliminated from the competition. Some currently likely to be cut are Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and the U.S. along with some lesser known players.

June 18, 2011 at 7:32 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Agreed limric, except then there would have to be several bags.

June 18, 2011 at 8:28 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

let's see...utility rates are rising, food prices are rising, gas will stay high, jobs are scarce, home prices are dropping, the unemployment rate and underemployment rate are growing, young people can't find work and you libs think it's ok to raise taxes..or think changing the tax rates is the thing to do? to say that's cold is like saying it gets a bit nippy in antartica in the heart of winter. obama handles our economic situation like he does the golf course, like a hack.

obama's leftist agenda needs to move forward.....no matter what. so what if the epa will bankrupt coal companies, while the ones that will still be standing will have to dump employees in order to survive. yeah..that's the right thing to do at this time.

obama's only capable of making things worse, which is what he's done. obama is not a problem solver, he's an idealogue that is hell bent on seeing his statist vision become reality. that's it. if obama and the democrat party hadn 't had their asses handed to them on 11/2/10, who knows how far they would've gone.

June 18, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.
mymy said...

Not the only club needed to turn things around. The hack in the WH does not want those clubs. His goal is to turn this country into an European Socialist State. Watch what he does not what he says.

The liberals had so hoped that the chosen one would be the answer to all their dreams! The seas would be lowered, there would be peace in the middle east, Gitmo would be closed, cap & trade passed, their mortgages would be paid, guns would be banned and of course we would all be living in peace and harmony. Turns out that hope and change were nothing but ambiguous words being thrown around by a Marxist with unrealistic ideals and zero experience in producing anything but platitudes. I think the Obama supporters placed more importance, time and effort in picking the next American Idol than they did on picking their president.

Guys, you got exactly what you voted for!

Yes, the "dream" has turned into a nightmare!

June 18, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Clay Bennett is a brilliant editorial cartoonist. I'm so glad we have him locally. And, a salute to limric, too, for an insightful remark.

June 18, 2011 at 9:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

What to do? What to do? Get educated, create a new tax system that maintains current revenue, works for everyone and increases spendable income which increases demand which increases jobs and tax revenue. Get educated, go to:

fairtax.org

Use the calculator to see personal impact. Watch all the videos and read the information provided. Write or call your congressman and senator.

June 18, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
Rufus_T_Firefly said...

The Republican solution to all our problems is reducing taxes on wealthy Americans.

George Bush and the Republicans reduced taxes on wealthy Americans 10 years ago and the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Reduced taxes have been enacted now for 10 years and the unemployment rate in America is 9.1%.

Mission Accomplished, RIGHT guys?

June 18, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

The fair tax proposal doesn't project the revenue from illegal gains or unreported income which is huge. Taxing people on what they spend with a prebate that returns the taxes paid on essentials such as food, clothing and shelter makes more sense than the manipulative IRS codes. The mega wealthy and politicians will oppose it since it taxes the mega wealthy on their higher spending and it takes a lot of power from politicians that use the tax system to pick winners and losers and to show favor. Obviously the IRS which is abolished with this proposal will oppose it. What service is it the Internal Revenue Service provides us? What service does the IRS provide politicians? It is time for a truly bipartisan grass roots uprising insisting on a Fair Tax. Enough people educated and understanding the proposal will result in an increasing pressure on the elected elite to support the Fair Tax bill that is hung up in committee.

June 18, 2011 at 9:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why is the federal government not by law mandated to spend no more than the revenue it receives from all sources? The government should be required to either increase revenue or reduce spending to meet any budget proposal. Those submitting a budget should be required to specify sources of added revenue if there is a short fall. That is the way any responsible provider of a family manages a budget or they will find themselves facing bankruptcy. Why should government be any different? They aren't, we are facing bankruptcy but the majority of people are in denial.

June 18, 2011 at 10:11 a.m.
mymy said...

Another club in Obama's bag keeping the economy from recovering is Increase Regulations along with Increase Taxes and Obamacare. He should be decreasing taxes and not piling on more regulations on business that discourage them to invest, create jobs and discourage businesses to come back to this country. His policies are doing just the opposite of what should be being done to improve the economy. The Looney left has no clue. Just little lap dogs following along because they have been brainwashed over the decades to believe the Democrates have their best interest at heart when just the opposite is true. They want power over them by offering more handouts so they become depentent on the government = the dumbing down of America.

The George Soros factor: This man had destroyed currencies all over the world for his own financial gain. He found the perfect puppet to back in order to do it to this country. Wake up folks!

June 18, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

Rufus,

Are you suggesting increasing taxes will increase employment? I doubt there is verifiable evidence that increasing or decreasing taxes has much affect on the economy and jobs as a whole. Increases and decreases are the politicians way of showing favor and deciding winners and losers. Both parties have their favored wealthy and the party in control changes the system to accommodate their favorites.

There are examples of tax decreases increasing tax revenue and examples of tax increases increasing tax revenue and there are examples of the exact oposite happening in both cases.

June 18, 2011 at 10:18 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

rufus..that's crap. to blame bush lowering the tax rates for the high unemployment rate now is ludicrous.

actually the unemployment rate is closer to 17% and the underemployment rate is around 40% and bush has nothing to do with that.

you libs got nothin' but the class envy card, and the race card when the class envy card doesn't work.

what you libs don't get is that when obama and the libs took over, small to medium size businesses, which employ most of the people in this country, saw nothing but a bleak future with an intrusive government making it more difficult for them to be profitable. obama, until he was put in his place by the electorate on 11/2/10, was openly anti-private sector. now he's still the same, only he's toned it down because he wants to get reelected.

you can't come after the private sector like obama and pelosi have done and expect people to reinvest and have confidence in the future. confidence is everything. if someone feels that they're not going to be profitable, why should they stay in business? just to feed the government revenue.

June 18, 2011 at 11 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Imagine for a moment that the tax cutting path taken and pursued since the early 1980s had not happened. That was the moment when US debt began to spike upward relentlessly for thirty years. Had we not taken that path, or had we used it for short term stimulus only, we would have paid more in taxes, but the US would not be facing financial collapse.

Sure we could've/should've cut spending, but that should've been part of any permanent tax cut. We didn't. We are failing, and you boys are full of misdirected recriminations. Clay is spot on. When (unbalanced) tax cuts are your principle driver, your long ball will end up in deep water.

Those who think Obama created this mess, or that (fill in the blank) can solve it, are whistling in the wind. This is an American problem, created over decades, that will require an American solution. When the pain becomes unbearable, the partisans will find common ground. Until then, the American slide will continue. IMO.

June 18, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nucanuck said... "Those who think Obama created this mess"

You can find all kinds of people that think Obama made things worse but you will be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks he created it. Your statement is a red herring that attempts to discredit through mischaracterization.

The Bush tax cuts were a revenue drain because they were temporary and as such had relatively limited simulative affects. In order for tax cuts to actually be simulative the starting tax rate has to be on the diminishing return side of the Laffer curve AND they need to be permanent.

It was quite possible that we were on the diminishing return side of the Laffer curve and the Bush tax cuts were big enough that we just moved too far onto the other slope to an area of lower revenue. We probably will never know, because the economic environment shifted due to the collapse following 9-11 and because of uncertainty about what would happen after the temporary cut expired.

Simple minded politicians don't seem to know that you need to first know where you are on that curve before you can say increasing or decreasing the tax rate will increase revenue.

I suspect that we are on the increasing side of the curve and that a marginal increase would in fact increase revenue. If a modest increase was made on a "permanent" basis, without a predetermined expiration, it may actually help stimulate the economy by providing some certainty about future taxation and increasing confidence that this financial mess can be brought under control.

It would be folly to support any kind of tax increase until we have some kind of budget reform and spending cuts in Washington. They have already demonstrated that they have no respect for the taxpayer’s money and are willing to wantonly waste what we work so hard to earn. Fix the spending side, which is the real problem, and ice the cake with a permanent, but small, tax increase (across the board, not just on the “evil” rich)

June 18, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Clay Bennett's simple minded partisanship is a brilliant example of why Washington does not work. Instead of examining the issues he tries to discredit the other side by mischaracterizing their position. People spend all their time dealing with lies like this instead of working to understand and address the issues.

Bennett and his crappy little cartoon are a perfect metaphor for poor politics.

June 18, 2011 at 12:04 p.m.
nucanuck said...

The Laffer curve has always been a Laugher, a special flavor of Kool Aid for those predisposed towary economic alchemy. Most of the adherents have seen the light, but a few can still be found in the economic backwoods.

June 18, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Clay is back in spades, showing his ignorance of the GOP message. Bennett is a hopeless ideologue. . . Big tough guy that he is! . . . Bennett, you dork. . . Bennett and his crappy little cartoon are a perfect metaphor for poor politics"

Hmmmm . . . So what is missing, BigRidgePatriot? . . . I see you’ve blessed us with five of your anti-Bennett rants, but you’ve yet to identify any club that is actually missing from the GOP bag. . . Is it really fair to rant at the artist for failing to include something that apparently even you realize doesn’t exist? Take it out on the GOP not Bennett.

June 18, 2011 at 12:26 p.m.
hambone said...

You guys just don't show any patience. Tricle Down will kick in any minute now!

June 18, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
rolando said...

An ideal solution is to impeach the bumbling, constitution-ignoring idiot. The House has the votes and the grounds to impeach successfully. So what if the Senate fails to remove him from office? His legacy, like Slick Willie's, will be numbered with the impeached presidents...that will make three.

One thing further...it will certainly get his attention, if nothing else.

The House can make its own grounds of what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors", but this cite explains it rather well:

"The [Framers] choice of the phrase "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" left the exact definition of impeachable offenses open to interpretation by Congress. It has invited considerable debate, but it is generally read to mean both indictable offenses and other serious noncriminal misconduct. The latter has included corruption, dereliction of constitutional duty, and violation of limitations on the power of an office." [Emphasis mine] See http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/impeachment for additional information.

June 18, 2011 at 2:02 p.m.
rolando said...

The House needs merely a majority to successfully impeach. They certainly have that. It would be an effective political weapon, as well [just like the other two].

Now lets see if the House Repubs have the necessary cojones...

June 18, 2011 at 2:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

Can someone, anyone or Mr. Bennett please show the opposite side of this issue. A bag with the clubs needed and who will make the right club selection. I know the ball is in the rough, I know it will take a miracle shot to remain in the game. Who should take the shot with what? I can't see the same one hitting it so deep in the rough taking the next shot.

June 18, 2011 at 2:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hambone said: "You guys just don't show any patience. Tricle Down will kick in any minute now!"

The anticipation is so exciting, isn't it Hambone? I wonder if the Great Trickle Down will borrow Santa’s list so he’ll know who has been naughty or nice? . . . Or maybe the Great Trickle has been negoitiating a big basket loan with the Easter Bunny and is planning to fill them with special chocolate trickle down treats for each of us.

June 18, 2011 at 2:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nucanuck said... "The Laffer curve has always been a Laugher, a special flavor of Kool Aid for those predisposed towary economic alchemy. Most of the adherents have seen the light, but a few can still be found in the economic backwoods"

The Laffer curve is just common sense nucanuck! If you raise the tax rate high enough you eventually start to kill the golden goose and see a drop in tax revenue. Does nucanuck believe otherwise? Do you think you can raise tax rates to 100% and expect to have an economy left to tax?

Assuming your answer is No, you cannot raise taxes indefinitly, then you have to accept the Laffer curve. What is left subject to debate is, "where is the maximum revenue point"?

I indicated that I think our tax rates are probably below the maximum revenue point and that we may be able to get more revenue by increasing taxes.

Now what do you think you might have accomplished with your, "Laugher...Kool Aid...alchemy...economic backwoods" hogwash? You again do not discuss an issue but just throw around stupid pointless comments! Typical Leftist.

June 18, 2011 at 3:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "Hmmmm . . . So what is missing, BigRidgePatriot? . . . I see you’ve blessed us with five of your anti-Bennett rants, but you’ve yet to identify any club that is actually missing from the GOP bag. . . Is it really fair to rant at the artist for failing to include something that apparently even you realize doesn’t exist? Take it out on the GOP not Bennett"

You are kidding, right? Do really think all they are proposing is tax cuts? There is tax restructuring, with a minimum of simplification but also a flat tax and ultimately the FairTax. There is complete elimination of corporate income tax. How about removing barriers to domestic energy production, so we can employ Americans to generate energy instead of exporting wealth? You can convert more or all of the states to right to work states. You could eliminate many government agencies that have made it their mission to put thousands of pages of stupid regulations in the way of the economy. I doubt you are going to actually read this, since you know it all already, so I will stop there. All of the above and much more is being talked about by the GOP.

In case you have not noticed, the Democrats still have control of the Senate and the Presidency. That you leftists want to pick ONE of the Republican ideas and obsess about it shows that you have zero ideas of your own, except, as I noted earlier, spend, Spend, SPEND until you have brought the economy to financial collapse. You and your cohorts show the maturity of a herd of 5 year olds.

June 18, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Who is the party of no now?

June 18, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.
hambone said...

When Trickle Down kicks in (any minute now) the unemployment rate will fall like a rock, Obama will get all the credit and be re-elected in a walk!

What fools the GOP are!

June 18, 2011 at 6:46 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hambone said... "What fools the GOP are!"

The GOP has no monopoly on foolishness in Washington. Do any of you lefties want to talk about the issues or are we just going to throw spitballs at each other all day?

June 18, 2011 at 7:19 p.m.
GlacierClipper said...

Obama plays more golf than any other President in the last 50 years.

When President Eisenhower played golf the media complained about it.

When Obama playes golf the media seems to ignore it!

June 18, 2011 at 8:07 p.m.
mymy said...

"It saddens me when sometimes my fellow Republicans duck and cover in the face of pressure from the left. Our party cannot be all things to all people," Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) said at a Republican party event in Louisiana today.

"Our opponents on the left are never going to like us, so let's quit trying to curry favor with them!" To hear his full speech http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/18/perry_left_never_going_to_like_us_so_lets_stop_trying_to_curry_favor_with_them.html Amen, Gov. Perry and again: No Plan, No Clue, N0bama

June 18, 2011 at 8:32 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

hambone..trickle down?

you must mean whatever scraps and crumbs the elitists in washington allow us to scramble for after they have their hired help shake off of their table clothes.

maybe obama and his wife will hold a lottery. the lucky winner will get to lap up the remnants of the chilli dog on obama's plate after he wolfs it down. or, maybe....the winner gets poke around in the bottom of michelle obama's $6,000.000 purse for loose change.

what fools you libs are ......the man you thought was your leftist knight in shining armor is nothing more than a bumbling, fingerpointing horse's ass. you thought this guy was "the one"

you want to know how to help this country and put it back on the right track?

first of all...get obama's ass out of office. i shudder when i think about how far we've fallen from george washington to this marxist, chilli dog munching bozo.

get rid of the existing tax codes.

implement the fair tax.

phase out social security..

give all new businesses/start ups a one year moratorium on all taxes....all taxes....

eliminate all subsidies.

lift restrictions on drilling and oil exploration.

get rid of the 17th ammendment...make senator answer to their states and not to the elitist washington establisment and power brokers.

June 18, 2011 at 8:38 p.m.
hambone said...

All I'm saying is that the GOP keep pushing more tax cuts for the rich and when they reinvest it and create all those jobs. Obama will get re-elected.

Isn't that the way it's suppose to work?

June 18, 2011 at 9:02 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP said to mntl; You and your cohorts show the maturity of a herd of 5 year olds.

BRP why the compliment? Remember, at five a kid can walk and reason. I guess you mean they need someone to tell them what to do, when to do it and make all the rules to live by since they aren't ready for that on their own. I guess asking them to read and understand something like the Fair Tax is asking too much. If they liked it but their leader didn't they wouldn't dare challenge the leader.

June 18, 2011 at 9:05 p.m.
hambone said...

If you think the Fair Tax or Value Added Tax or what ever you want to come up with will ever be adopted then who is the 5 year old blindly follow the leader?

June 18, 2011 at 9:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

hambone,

No leader is promoting the Fair Tax bill. Only the less rich in the senate and house say they support it. The Fair Tax is not the European VAT tax. You may have just proven the the five year olds analogy. A five year old would say I don't want to study just tell me the answer. They would parrot the adult they liked with or without good reason. Anyone capable of and willing to understand it would support it if they weren't super rich or in office. You are right there is not enough unwealthy people that will do that so it is not likely to ever be an option. An inaccurate statement from those opposed or not understanding will lead the lemmings to opposing it also.

June 18, 2011 at 9:40 p.m.
Yossarian25 said...

Geez... why is it that the people who accuse others of being Nazis (or voting for hitler) are always the ones that you could imagine back in 1945, saying "I was only following orders" when asked why they supported the holocaust. Hitler was definitely not a liberal, so it amuses me that it always seems to be conservatives trying to play the Hitler-card. But I guess they've never heard of Stalin.

Anyway, I have been reading these comment pages for a while now and finally decided to stand up for Clay and the other good people on here, who are sick of the ignorant idiots who can't remember which President got us in this mess!!!

June 18, 2011 at 10:13 p.m.
hambone said...

They know who got us in this mess, they just have selective memory.

June 18, 2011 at 10:28 p.m.
hambone said...

Harp, I just think that your Fair Tax if implimented would end up as a very Un-Fair Tax when the real powers that be get through with it.

June 18, 2011 at 10:31 p.m.
Yossarian25 said...

Of course my last post was tongue-in-cheek, tax cuts for the rich solves everything! As they are obviously more important than people who don't have jobs or food! Also blaming Obama for EVERYTHING, some how helps aswell, though Fox hasn't explained why yet.

June 18, 2011 at 10:31 p.m.
rick1 said...

Those on left keep telling us how the Busch tax cuts benefited only the rich. Yet when the democracts controlled the House and Senate for the first two years of Obama being in the White House they did nothing about the tax rate. In December 2010 Obama made a deal with the Repbulicans a month after the democracts lost in the mid term elections to extend these same tax cuts for two years, with Obama saying that raising taxes now would have been bad for the economy.

Why were the Bush tax cuts bad for the economy but now they will be good for the economy for the next two years?

June 18, 2011 at 10:58 p.m.
tderng said...

welcome Yossarian25...just what this site needs ,another liberal lemming.

June 18, 2011 at 11:10 p.m.
rick1 said...

Democracts seem to forget that Clinton signed a 1997 tax bill that lowered the capital gains rate from 28% to 20%, added a child tax credit, and established higher limits on tax exclusion for IRAs and estates.

The 1997 rate reduction on capital gains unleashed the economy, causing capital investment to more than triple by 1998 and double again in 1999. Treasury receipts for this category of tax obligation increased dramatically.

June 18, 2011 at 11:15 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "There is complete elimination of corporate income tax."

But corporations are "persons" now, BigRidgePatriot. Don't they want to pay their fair share like the rest of us? They benefit from our roads, highways, freeways, law enforcement, fire departments etc. Besides with all of the tax loopholes I doubt the majority are struggling to pay their taxes these days.

BigRidgePatriot said: "How about removing barriers to domestic energy production, so we can employ Americans to generate energy instead of exporting wealth?"

What kind of jobs, barriers and energy production are you referencing, BRP?

BigRidgePatriot said: "You can convert more or all of the states to right to work states."

How will lowering wages help the economy, BRP? As it stands right now, most people are struggling to pay for the basics. To spend more, you have to make more.

BigRidgePatriot said: "You could eliminate many government agencies that have made it their mission to put thousands of pages of stupid regulations in the way of the economy."

Exactly which government agencies are the Republicans proposing to eliminate, BRP?

June 18, 2011 at 11:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

hambone,

If those in power mess with the Fair Tax they can muck it up just as they have the current tax system. The difference is the Fair Tax is so transparent eveyone will know if they do anything to or with it. I watched one member of congress interviewed on CNBC say the reason he didn't like it was it takes away the ability of congress to manipulate things they think need to be manipulated. That confirmed what I had already concluded.

June 19, 2011 at 12:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

yossarian25,

You picked the two worst examples to defend liberal ideology. They both claimed to be liberals and for the people. Apparently you haven't read Hitler's strategy, listened to his speeches and promises to people to gain power. Hitler was one of the greatest orators in history, he could make a very convincing motivational speech. Apparently you haven't studied Stalin's philosophy of wealth redistribution and everyone being equal. You hear both parties using many of the same words used by these two notorious leaders to get the sheep to follow them. None in either party sounds more like them than Obama.

June 19, 2011 at 12:20 a.m.
fairmon said...

lesliesmart,

Where do you get the data that allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would generate 3 to 4 trillion per year? I agree they should have expired as scheduled but I question the accuracy of revenue you attribute to doing so. Clinton's label of "slick Willy" didn't result from his sexual exploits. He added selectively to taxes. One significant example is the universal connectivity charge on every phone line in the country, the gas tax and a few others that still generate a lot of revenue other than that on income. He changed the earned income credit in an attempt to off set the affect on those with lower incomes. The earned income credit is welfare in disguise and redistribution at it's best.

June 19, 2011 at 12:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

BRP,

Respond if you want to but I am convinced mntl is a babbling idiot that buys hook line and sinker any take from others and give to me philosophy that is in play. Her response a persons right to belong or not belong to a union and paying union dues is a good example of her ignorance. She concludes the right to work means people will automatically earn less. She will never figure out that it may be better to earn less for a while and stay employed than for a business to discontinue operating entirely.

mntl, if she/he works has to be in some kind of non-profit, government or public employee position. The typical selfish, greedy and envious element of society that dislikes anyone successful and thinks it should be taken from them and shared with her/him and others.

She/he will never realize those corporations she/he thinks are all crooks paying no taxes, polluting and abusing people are where people work and pay taxes which provides all those things she says corporations use. She can't make the connection between the cost of the goods and services she buys and the taxes the producer pays. One reason is she/he more than likely purchases primarily imported products without looking for American made. Once she/he realizes the supreme court ruling allowing corporate political contributions helped the democrats more than their opponents she/he will be favorable to that ruling.

June 19, 2011 at 1:18 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: "if she/he works has to be in some kind of non-profit, government or public employee position. The typical selfish, greedy and envious element of society that dislikes anyone successful and thinks it should be taken from them and shared with her/him and others."

Goodness, Harp3339. A rather mean spirited statement. . . And all because I think corporations have responsibilities to their communities, need to clean up the environmental messes they make, and need to pay their fair share of taxes. . . Oh, well.

June 19, 2011 at 7:13 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mounainlaurel,

So do you agree then, that there are many clubs missing from the GOP bag?

The better cartoon would have been a GOP bag full of all of those clubs I mentioned sitting next to the Jackass bag with a single club marked "SPEND".

June 19, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "So do you agree then, that there are many clubs missing from the GOP bag?"

I'm sorry, BigRidge. Those GOP sticks might help you to get your foot in the door of a corporate country club, but do not qualify for the big The Economic Open.

Hope you have a happy Father's Day. Later, ML

June 19, 2011 at 10:39 a.m.
GlacierClipper said...

Stop blaming Bush.

The Obama Administration is running the show now. So blame Obama and his administration full of career politicians!

June 19, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
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