published Friday, November 4th, 2011

Alarming rise in the poorest of the poor

We don't want anyone in America to be in poverty, even in times of economic crisis.

So it is disconcerting that current reports suggest that one in 15 of us is living not only below the official poverty line of a little over $22,300 for a family of four, but at half that level or below -- $11,157 for a family of four.

They are considered the "poorest poor" in our nation.

The U.S. Census Bureau has reported that roughly 20.5 million people in the United States -- 6.7 percent of our total population -- are in that category.

Hardest hit are the District of Columbia, Mississippi and New Mexico. Almost 11 percent of Washington's residents are among the poorest of the poor.

Tennessee reportedly has the 12th-highest percentage of people in that category, with Alabama coming in third and Georgia 11th.

And the numbers appear to be rising nationwide. The 6.7 percent of us who make up the poorest of the poor represent the highest percentage of Americans who have been in that category since the Census Bureau began tracking that statistic in the 1970s.

There are, of course, many causes of poverty, some of which are temporary and some of which are long term. But the ongoing economic crisis and 9.1 percent unemployment are plainly major factors in the current high poverty rates.

That makes it vital to reverse the massive government spending and debt, as well as threats of tax increases, that are contributing to the weak economy and hampering job creation.

Efforts to alleviate the pain of poverty are appropriate, but no anti-poverty program works as well as a job.

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hambone said...

After the Nov. 2012 election and Obama is re-elected the party of NO will stop acting like fools and help create jobs.


November 4, 2011 at 12:20 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Funny how America was richer pre-1980 before reducing taxes on high income earners. The rich don't work any harder or smarter now than pre-1980, they just simply keep almost the whole pie. If you make big enough campaign donations and promise congress big jobs when they leave office...they will vote for something as stupid as trickle down economics.

So here we are with low taxes and dead broke. The rich don't want to give back what they looted fair and square. The poor are running low on bread and circus...the first rumblings are in the streets.

The government and the Federal reserve have poured trillions into endless foreign wars and saving very rich bankers and investors from their own mistakes. The poor, formerly the middle class, get pink slips, eviction notices, and no health care to go with their food stamps.

But worst of all the poor are being stripped of their dignity.

Why did my America turn mean and uncaring?

November 4, 2011 at 1:46 a.m.
EaTn said...

nucanuck----amen. hambone---and after they've burned the soles off their shoes dragging their feet to prevent jobs creation until after the 2012 election.

November 4, 2011 at 6:39 a.m.
joneses said...

The top 10 percent of wage earners pay 70% of all taxes and the top 1% of wage earners pay 40% of all taxes. Maybe the bottom 50% or looters, that do not pay any taxes but leach off the government could start paying their fair share.

November 4, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

You can say a red dress is a blue Volkswagen but it does not make it so. Obama's "jobs Bill" is anything but. It only gives money to those who feed his campaign contributions: Unions and government jobs that create NOTHING except barriers to real private sector jobs. Both parties create bills that do exactly the opposite of what the title says they do. Until and unless we all as individuals educate ourselves to identify and rebut the BS we will get a never ending pile of it out of Washington (and Nashville).

November 4, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
EaTn said...

Cons, so where are the right-winger jobs bills?

November 4, 2011 at 8:38 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

""The Tax Policy Center has tried to correct Fox News and the right wing media’s misuse of their research. In April 2010, Howard Glickman of the TPC wrote,

Let me explain—repeat actually—what this means: About half of taxpayers paid no federal income tax last year. It does not mean they paid no tax at all. Many shelled out Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. In fact, only 14 percent of Americans didn’t pay either income or payroll taxes. Some paid property taxes and, it is fair to say, just about all of them paid sales taxes of one kind or another. So to say they pay no taxes is flat wrong.

However, this class warfare-like rhetoric plays to a perception that the income tax is a chump tax: Only hard-working folks like us pay it. The welfare queens don’t. The super-rich don’t. It is a powerful emotional argument. It is also flat wrong.

The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work""

Joneses, are you calling my mother a looter?

November 4, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

You ask where are the Republican jobs bills? There have been 15 or so jobs bills that have passed the House of Representatives that Harry Reed will not bring up for a vote in the Senate. Your lame stream media won't report any of them because they don't support the Left's agenda.

Regarding those who do not pay taxes, the actual facts are that approximately 47% of Americans pay less in taxes than they receive in direct payments from the Government.

I worked in the fields during the summers in High School. It was the norm. Today kids are pampered, deprived of anything that would lead to true self esteem (like a work ethic) and fed a constant stream of unearned, unsatisfying and ultimately self destructive empty verbal re-enforcement which when it comes down to it even they know are BS.

Everybody gets a trophy. Everybody is a winner. No one is allowed to be productive because they might make another child feel UNCOMFORTABLE.

No one is too good to do any job. The fact that some have learned ways to solve more problems than you have and be paid for the application of those solutions in innovative ways does not make them evil, it makes them of value to everyone in the community. Instead of finding new ways to take what has not been earned from those who do pay taxes the 47% who do not should go pick fruits and vegetables until they can get motivated enough to come up with something the rest of us are willing to pay for.

November 4, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Freedom_czar says "Regarding those who do not pay taxes, the actual facts are that approximately 47% of Americans pay less in taxes than they receive in direct payments from the Government."

just talk.....back it up. Show us the numbers. I did.

November 4, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

You quoted a lefty with a point of view, where did he get his "facts"? Also he is ONLY talking about those who pay no federal tax at all, you provided no figures on how many DO pay federal taxes but get more in various government pay outs than they pay in. I will get you a source, but you have yet to provide anything more than a popular left wing guy's opinion and mine is just as good as his. The problem with socialism aka redistribution is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money. At some point those who have good ideas, those who can make society better just give up or move somewhere they are appreciated and the country suffers as a result. It is time for people to leave the plantation of liberalism, get off their cans and produce something others are willing to pay for rather than force us to buy what the government wants to push on us because doing so keeps them in power.

November 4, 2011 at 11:32 a.m.
conservative said...

This article like many other similiar articles on the subject of poverty refers to Americans "living" below the poverty line. If any American is "living" below the poverty line ( a figure defined by lieberals) it is by choice. A salary figure does not determine how well you live. One could poor mouth their way through life even though they have savings. I know a lady who "lives" poor and seeks everything free, takes things back to stores for refunds after she has used and abused the product and causes a scene till she gets her way, yet has savings. Other poverty line families are eligible for food stamps, medicaid, subsidized housing, free school lunches, federal tax credits, wellfare, to name some. The free health care alone could easily be the equivulent of a middle class income. These people are not "living" an impoverished life. Finally, they know if they move up in income they will lose these taxpayer freebies. See how lieberal policies destroy America!

November 4, 2011 at 11:59 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Actually, the link provided all of what you requested. It told how many did pay taxes and which tax they paid. And it also listed the references of where the facts came from.

Your lack of understanding does not determine the validity of facts.

There is a very simple solution.....get money and corruption out of politics.

There is walmart, and wall street mart. Keep them dumb and broke and they will believe anything.

November 4, 2011 at 12:07 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Hot air seems to be just that............about your fact check. Edward Morrissey is the second ex-husband of Rev. Mary Manin Morrissey. He pled guilty to money laundering and using funds from his wife's New Thought church, Living Enrichment Center, for personal expenses. Edward Morrissey was sentenced to federal prison for his crimes. He was released on February 2, 2007.[1]

Guess where he is now!?! Wait for

I don't think I would believe anything from that blog. It did not list any source information and the site info is laughable. I am living proof that secretaries pay more in taxes. I am not a secretary anymore, but I have seen many of these tax returns from secretaries and ceo's, presidents, bosses, owners, etc.

So, am I going to believe a cheater, or myself? hmmmmmmm

November 4, 2011 at 12:17 p.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

I cannot help that you have your liberal glasses on that filter out facts that are inconvenient for your arguments. I did not say that 47% pay NO taxes at all, I said they get more in benefits than they pay in. That is supported by the link you provided when you separate out the manipulations used to create their arguments. There are lies, da** lies, and statistics. Statistics can be used to prove any supposition you desire. For instance lib's favorite Republican candidate... Romney keep saying that the median income of Americans have decreased and therefore ... ( some or the other liberal hype about the poor paying more than rich do in taxes) The fact is that IF the median income of Americans has dropped it MUST mean that the top incomes have dropped as well.
Look it up.

November 4, 2011 at 12:25 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

You might want to start by quit calling names. I am no more a liberal than you. I am no more a conservative than you. So your names are squat. You are so caught up in "what" you percieve as the enemy, that you miss important information. Until this country can see that we are all on the same team, those with corrupted money and power can lead sheople anywhere. Step back from the trees so you can see that there is an entire forrest. There are sites that come across as conservative that are only there to lie, and the same goes for the liberal camp. That does not mean every liberal or conservative is bad.

If you want the truth, turn your tv off. Start seeking what is really happening. When news tells you a line, look around it for what they are not telling. If is is not a lie, it is almost certainly wrong. It has been proven in a court of law that Faux lies. Why would anyone watch that propaganda is beyond me. With youtube and many other sites, we have real people telling real news. If you want to know what is going on, go to the people, not some propaganda machine or lying preacher's husband.

For instance, the news portrays the OWS demonstrators as thugs and hippies. Youtube videos straight from the site show a much different story. The veterans have now stood with the demonstrators. Do you think these veterans are thugs and hippies? So why would the propaganda machines want you to think that? They want you to think that so badly that they are willing to infiltrate to make it look that way. P.S. Someone needs to tell them we all have cameras now!

November 4, 2011 at 12:59 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

"The fact is that IF the median income of Americans has dropped it MUST mean that the top incomes have dropped as well. Look it up."

I agree to a point. If you drop off the portion no longer making an income, then it could paint a different picture. But with the Madoff ordeal, many top earners did see their incomes decrease.

But check this out. I work with a standard or average man-hour labor rate every day and it is just not as simple as you think. If I have 2 people working at 30 per hour, 2 at 15 per hour and 2 at 8 per hour, the average man-hour is 17.66. But if we have 2 at 30, and 6 at 8, my per hour average drops to 13.50. The top 2 earners did not change, but the number of employees in the equation did.

November 4, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

Orchestrated YouTube Videos prove nothing. I am a veteran of two wars, don't lecture me or claim that I am standing with anyone. You group people and claim them when they support your cause and blame them and attack them when they don't. This country is in real trouble. Liberals and "Progressive" in BOTH PARTIES have been working for nearly 100 years to change us into something that resembles European Socialism. Anyone who can't see where that has lead them is a "Sheeple". I do read, a lot. I don't watch the stinking lame stream media (including fox) they all have their agenda. They are all bought and paid for. You are ignorant about me, what I do, what I read, what I believe. Like the lame stream media you assume since I don't agree with you I must be an idot. Sorry to disappoint you.

November 4, 2011 at 1:14 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Whoa, think we hit a nerve!

I didn't proclaim to know anything about you. You spouted from a cheating blogger and tell me I am lecturing you. Get a grip.

November 4, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...


Thank you for your service. We wouldn't be free to have discussions like these if you and others had not done what you had to do.

No matter how we might not agree on one thing or another, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

November 4, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
EaTn said...

Well, these yahoos that we call Congress in DC have increased their wealth by 25% over the past two years, while the average middle class has seen their wealth decrease.

November 4, 2011 at 2:43 p.m.
nucanuck said...

All the conversations about who does and doesn't pay federal income tax is really an empty arguement. A working family who earns so little that food and gasoline is in question every month can not pay very much in tax and still survive. Contrast that with a family who is able to travel the world, send their kids to private schools, and stash away savings for retirement, even though they already contribute considerable tax dollars, their lifestyle wouldn't change materially if they paid a few percent more.

Tax revenue has to come from those with money. That is not a difficult or complicated concept. Graduated taxation distributes the tax burden in a way that those who can pay more do, but not to the extent of changing the earnings pecking order.

We are one society, not three or four. We don't all have the same strengths or good fortune, but in the broader sense, the suffering of one is the collective problem of us all.

November 4, 2011 at 3:31 p.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

The problem really boils down to a misunderstanding about "the pie". Liberals / Progressive promote the idea that there is only so much pie and unless we give them control over who gets how much we will be robbed by "the rich" who will keep the pie for themselves. The truth is that anyone can make more pies. Steve Jobs made more pies with apple products. You should read his biography just published. If those in power can convince us that we are powerless to control how the pie is distributed so we need their uniquely unselfish, purely others centered selves to protect our part of the pie you are not better off the the surfs who worked in fear of the owner of the castle where they were in fact slaves. Have you ever read "The Road to Serfdom" by Hayek? It is an eye opener. Read and study or you will be the victim of those in power. There are progressive and liberal Republicans as well as Dem's. Understand their plan, know it when you see it or suffer the consequences.

November 4, 2011 at 4:11 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

I hear what you are saying, and I agree. I will check out the book. But please understand, what I hear you saying is what I hear dems say about republicans. It is the same story being fed, then blamed on the other guy. In place of libs/dems, it is libs, dems, conservatives, cons, repubs, etc,,,all promote the idea that there is only so much. Even the elite promote that idea. That doesn't mean it is true, but they sure do spend huge amounts of money to push the fear. Until we can get past the dem repub thing, we will continue to tear our country apart. Fear is the mind killer.

November 4, 2011 at 5 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Actually there is only one very finite pie. The earth is our pie and now that there are so many of us needing/wanting a slice of the pie, we have come to understand finite resourses can be overwhelmed by infinite demand. We know that for the world's population to live like Americans would require five earths. So no, we can't make more pie, we can only try to grab more for ourselves...OR...try to find ways to live within the long term finite constraints that are becomming quite obvious. If we don't do the later, fighting in various forms is our future.

Growth, the way we have known it, the way we have structured our economies, is very likely over, or nearly over. We need a new structure based on stability rather than perpetual growth if humankind is to continue to flourish.

November 4, 2011 at 5:57 p.m.
Freedom_Czar said...

Oh yea of little faith. They were saying the same thing when the world was running out of whale oil. It was after all the primary source of lighting peoples homes. But all of a sudden there was electricity and crude oil.

I happen to believe in an infinite creator who takes care of his children. Those who think they decided from apes are at an extreme disadvantage.

November 4, 2011 at 7:21 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Surely you believe that your infinite creator also gave humans the ability to reason and respond to the obvious? You had better warm up your prayer motor if you think your creator is going to supply infinite growth to us who have so abused this planet.

November 4, 2011 at 11:18 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Poverty and ignorance go hand in hand. Stop the war on teachers and education now. This will better the lives of the poor. An education shouldn't bankrupt you or be only for the privileged.

November 5, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
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