published Wednesday, October 5th, 2011

96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID

Dorothy Cooper, 96, discusses problems she had getting a photo ID at a Tennessee Driver Service Center. The Boynton Terrace resident plans to vote by absentee ballot.
Dorothy Cooper, 96, discusses problems she had getting a photo ID at a Tennessee Driver Service Center. The Boynton Terrace resident plans to vote by absentee ballot.
Photo by John Rawlston.
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Dorothy Cooper is 96 but she can remember only one election when she's been eligible to vote but hasn't.

The retired domestic worker was born in a small North Georgia town before women had the right to vote. She began casting ballots in her 20s after moving to Chattanooga for work. She missed voting for John F. Kennedy in 1960 because a move to Nashville prevented her from registering in time.

So when she learned last month at a community meeting that under a new state law she'd need a photo ID to vote next year, she talked with a volunteer about how to get to a state Driver Service Center to get her free ID. But when she got there Monday with an envelope full of documents, a clerk denied her request.

That morning, Cooper slipped a rent receipt, a copy of her lease, her voter registration card and her birth certificate into a Manila envelope. Typewritten on the birth certificate was her maiden name, Dorothy Alexander.

"But I didn't have my marriage certificate," Cooper said Tuesday afternoon, and that was the reason the clerk said she was denied a free voter ID at the Cherokee Boulevard Driver Service Center.

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    Dorothy Cooper, age 96, took her birth certificate and lease as she tried to obtain a photo ID at the Hamilton County Election Commission. The Boynton Terrace resident plans to vote by absentee ballot.
    Photo by John Rawlston /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

"I don't know what difference it makes," Cooper said.

Cooper visited the state driver service center with Charline Kilpatrick, who has been working with residents to get free photo IDs. After the clerk denied Cooper's request, Kilpatrick called a state worker, explained what happened and asked if Cooper needed to return with a copy of the marriage certificate.

"The lady laughed," Kilpatrick said. "She said she's never heard of all that."

Tennessee Department of Safety spokeswoman Dalya Qualls said in a Tuesday email that Cooper's situation, though unique, could have been handled differently.

"It is department policy that in order to get a photo ID, a citizen must provide documentation that links their name to the documentation that links their name to the document they are using as primary proof of identity," Qualls said. "In this case, since Ms. Cooper's birth certificate (her primary proof of identity) and voter registration card were two different names, the examiner was unable to provide the free ID."

Despite that, Qualls said, "the examiner should have taken extra steps to determine alternative forms of documentation for Ms. Cooper."

Kilpatrick has had to call the state at least twice after taking someone to get a photo ID or have a photo added to the driver's license. State law allows anyone 60 or older to have their picture removed from their license.

The state has been working diligently to make the process easy for residents, Qualls said.


State Rep. Tommie Brown, D-Chattanooga, said Tuesday that Cooper's case is an example of how the law "erects barriers" for the elderly and poor people -- a disproportionate number of whom are minorities.

"What you do, you suppress the vote," Brown said. "You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out."

The General Assembly passed the photo ID law earlier this year, with lawmakers saying it was needed to prevent voter fraud. The legislature allocated $438,000 to provide free photo IDs for registered voters who don't have a qualified ID.

"It makes no sense in these economic times that we are shifting our time and resources to this," Brown said.

In Nashville on Tuesday afternoon, a coalition of organizations announced an effort to repeal the law. Groups such as the ACLU of Tennessee, various chapters of the NAACP, the AFL-CIO and Tennessee Citizen Action announced a petition drive and get-out-the-vote effort.

"This is a nonpartisan issue. It's a fair voting issue," said Mary Mancini, executive director of Citizen Action, in a phone interview. "It's all about the legislators seeing that the people of Tennessee don't want this law."


Cooper isn't worried about the politics of the law.

"I hadn't thought about it," she said when asked about why legislators passed the bill.

She just wants to be able to vote.

In her decades of going to the polls, "I never had any problems," she said, not even before the Voting Rights Act passed in the 1960s.

In her 50-plus years working for the same family, she never learned to drive so she never needed a license. She retired in 1993 and returned to Chattanooga from Nashville.

Now, on occasion, one of her bank's tellers or a grocery store clerk will ask for photo ID when she writes or cashes a check, Cooper said.

"I've been banking at SunTrust for a long time," she said. "Sometimes they'll say, well, do you have a Social Security card?"

And she shows it to them. She also has a photo ID issued by the Chattanooga Police Department to all seniors who live in the Boynton Terrace public housing complex, but that won't qualify for voting.

Cooper's younger sister, now 91, lives in a nursing home across town. Nursing home residents and assisted living residents are exempt from the new photo ID requirement.

But Cooper, who barely needs a walker, is not.

Though she's still able to walk around her apartment without assistance and "takes daily exercise" at a community center next door, Cooper never had any children -- although she has outlived two husbands -- and relies on others for transportation.

The law "is a problem if you don't have a way of getting around," she said. "I've been voting all these years."

After Cooper was denied a photo ID Monday, Kilpatrick contacted Hamilton County's Administrator of Elections Charlotte Mullis-Morgan, who recommended that Cooper vote with an absentee ballot rather than having to stand in line with her walker again at the state center.

Absentee ballots don't require photo ID, and the new state law was crafted to allow that exception. A U.S. Supreme Court decision upholding a similar Indiana statute cited the absentee ballot exception as one of the reasons the Indiana law didn't infringe on constitutional voting rights.

Still, Cooper said she will miss the practice of going to the voting precinct located in the building next door to hers.

"We always come here to vote," she said, nodding toward a door where voting machines are set up on election day. "The people who run the polls know everybody here."

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GlacierClipper said...

If an illegal alien shows up with a letter from Obama, do they get the ID Card?

October 5, 2011 at 12:32 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Watching our democracy slowly erode makes me curious about what awaits at the end of the road.

October 5, 2011 at 1:17 a.m.
rolando said...

Canada, nucanuck.

October 5, 2011 at 4:58 a.m.
fftspam said...

"The people who run the polls know everybody here."
Thats EXACTLY why ID must be required.
MY precinct is also Boynton Terrace... trust me, nobody 'knows' me. Hey, lets just get rid of the ID thing all together and do the blue thumb thing. Im sure Tommie Brown would find that racist also.

October 5, 2011 at 5:21 a.m.
larwilb60 said...

RACIST? When EVERYONE has to provide the SAME information? What is Racist about that? And, I am sure the requirements are plainly stated....we have photo id voting in Georgia and have for a few years and nobody whines RACISM! Is that all Tommie Brown knows how to do?

October 5, 2011 at 6:18 a.m.
fftspam said...

Next question is... this fine lady who I suspect is being 'used'... how did the TFP get 'tipped' to this story?? Did Ansley Haman just happen to be hanging out at the Driver Service Center when this fine lady tried to get a photo ID? Oh Oh Oh.. and just so happened that a TFP photog was there too!!! How about some background on "Charline Kilpatrick"?

October 5, 2011 at 6:33 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Our government is a democracy. This means the people have a say in the way it is run. Most people say how they want it managed by their votes. Voting is inherent and encouraged in a democracy. It is a right not a privilege.

The Republicans are trying to undermine our democracy by disenfranchising whole classes of people. You want a plutocracy instead of a democracy? It is happening now. Thank the GOP Representatives and Senators for subverting our 235 year old democracy.

October 5, 2011 at 6:44 a.m.
EaTn said...

EaTn--this lady is exactly the target the state GOP intended for this disenfranchise law. It was meant to discourage those elderly and other state citizens from voting who never needed a photo ID.

October 5, 2011 at 6:56 a.m.
fftspam said...

sandyonsignal said... "Our government is a democracy." Huhh??? No It Is Not... Our "government" (sic) is a republic.. NOT a democracy. Big words like plutocracy make no sense when you do not even know the difference between a democracy and a republic.

October 5, 2011 at 6:58 a.m.
aidehua said...

Who doesn't remember the multiple instances of voter registration fraud perpetrated by ACORN and its minions? Can those on the Left really say they would be fine with this subversion of American democracy if it were being done by those on the Right? Perhaps it is the political implications that fire your indignation!

October 5, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.
hambone said...

The key in this case is this lady's Voter Registration Card. It should have been proof enough!!

October 5, 2011 at 7:14 a.m.
fftspam said...

sandyonsignal said... "Republicans are trying to undermine" okay sandyonsignal... would JFK have been elected President if there was not wide spread voter fraud in Illinois? Vote Early and Vote Often? I do not think that there is a doubt that JFK won the Presidency by wide spread voter fraud in Illinois. What is wrong with one person one vote?

October 5, 2011 at 7:17 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

There is no question this is a modern day effort by Republicans (even reducing or eliminating the pre-election voting period) to limit voting by minorities and people who normally vote against them.

There is no "significant" voter fraud in the US, it is all just fear mongering and attempts to exclude people likely to vote against Republicans. You can tell by the tone of the comments here this is the case.

You are being manipulated, wake up.

October 5, 2011 at 7:24 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Nixon had 219 electoral votes. Kennedy had 303. Hardly close. If you count popular vote, which we saw how well that played out in Gore v. Bush in 200, it was closer with both having 49%, but that is not how the winner is tallied.

Interesting you are trying to slime President Kennedy by insinuating he used dirty tricks on Richard Milhouse Nixon. Tricky Dick should not be your poster child for being a victim of corruption and fraud. Doubt you will have much sympathy there.

October 5, 2011 at 7:26 a.m.
EaTn said...

I would have more respect for some commenters if they would admit either they are gullible enough to believe the right-wing spew about voter fraud or fess-up that they fully support the law intended to disenfranchise mostly the elderly from voting.

October 5, 2011 at 7:30 a.m.
petuniadewitt said...

Republicans understand that our way of life depends on the right type of people voting, not everyone! Rich old white men know best (obviously); what kind of democracy would we have if we encouraged everyone, no matter their color or income level, to vote!?

October 5, 2011 at 7:48 a.m.
mrredskin said...

Ha, you clowns can spin anything out of context and make this a left vs right ordeal. And you're the same ones that say how we'll never get past a two-party system. Classic.

I'd like to question the citiznship of Ansley. She looks a little suspect.

October 5, 2011 at 7:52 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

It seems the republicants think America is a white nation. Since a large percentage is caucasian.

October 5, 2011 at 7:52 a.m.
fftspam said...

sandyonsignal.... I wish you well.. do a little research into the democracy/republic difference and also try some unbiased research into JFK's election. Take off your Rose Colored Glasses. You might be surprised and then disappointed.

October 5, 2011 at 7:54 a.m.
fftspam said...

I wished that before I made any reply to 'sandyonsignal' I would have done a google search of 'sandyonsignal'.... I would have found.. well google 'sandyonsignal' yourself and see what you get.
"I'm a newbie on the Executive Committee for the TNDP,"

October 5, 2011 at 8:03 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

Hambone, you must have missed the part of the story explaining that she didn't have documentation that linked her maiden name to her married name. The voter registration card showed her married name, but she didn't have a copy of the marriage license to prove she is the same person as her birth certificate shows. These rules are in place for everyone, not just some. Some people posting in this thread need to take off the tin-foil hats.

October 5, 2011 at 8:25 a.m.
librul said...

This thread is a prime example of why America is dying and slipping down every meaningful index among industrialized nations.

October 5, 2011 at 8:37 a.m.

So Ms. Cooper, welcome back to the world everyone else has living in for 10 years now. The world that requires a photo ID. Geez people. The law makers knew this was going to happen and that is why she still has many months to fix this issue... provided she wants it fixed at all.

See, it's clear that Tommy Brown wanted a political football and another reason to cryout racism. Shame on Tommy Brown for using Ms. Cooper.

October 5, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.
Shock said...

It's not unreasonable to require proper identification for people to vote. Or drive a car, or buy age restricted items, or board a plane, etc. That being said, the process to get that proper identification should not be onerous on citizens.

TNVOLSSUCK - take your racist comments somewhere else please.

October 5, 2011 at 9:07 a.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

The voter ID law is already doing what it was designed to do. Cause enough confusion for both the citizens and the workers issuing the IDs long enough to prevent certain classes and races from being allowed to vote in the next election. Their theory being the culprits of said law when be able to put into office their own puppets who will then have the power to change more laws in order to make voting for some completeley and forever obsolete.

October 5, 2011 at 9:12 a.m.
hixsonresident said...

This is the second article that Ms. Haman has written with the help of Charline Kilpatrick. A previous article is posted on September 20 and follows the same lines.

I happened to be at the DMV on September 20 when Ms. Hamen, Kilpatrick, another woman, and the TFP photographer were intrusively taking photographs for the original article. Despite it being a busy day when the center on Cherokee Blvd announced that they were short of staff and the lines were extra long, they made a big fuss over pictures.

I did notice that they didn't take the time to interview anyone else about their opinions of the law. No other sources were taken, and Ms. Kilpatrick's continued involvement in this series is disturbing.

Is anyone else having difficulty getting IDs? The state of Tennessee makes is very clear what types of ID you need to get a new license or a photo ID via their website If you don't have the correct forms, why should they bend the rules just because you're old?

If Ms. Kilpatrick is helping older Tennesseans in her neighborhood get photo IDs, why doesn't she print off the requirements and hand them out to people before they take the time to go. The law is the law and should be applied equally.

Ms. Cooper has probably been through a lot in her life, and I"m glad she appreciates her right to vote, however voter fraud must be taken seriously in this country. Given the focus on ACORN in recent elections and the frequency of dead people being found on voter rolls, all those involved in the story should be happy that the state of Tennessee is upholding our democracy and making sure that each American citizen only votes once and is voting in the right place.

October 5, 2011 at 9:19 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Disgusting bunch of partisan swine posting on this critical issue. The core of USA right is to vote, only 40% do so, less then 15% in primary. This lovely women, at 96, only wanted to vote, and some slobs accuse her of "being set up". Others of the we must protect our votes to legal etc, simply blowing Right wing propaganda, there has been no proven excess of illegal votes, it like "Illegals taking USA jobs" is just more "scare the idiots" spin. USA, for a long time have done just fine on voting processes, then the corruption of how can we get more to vote for our side, or less to vote for other, came under study bt manipulators, and this sort of trash was end result. A dumbed down fearful populations, more so in TN at nearly bottom of education and other more important areas, fell for it as do all dumbed down who find a champion in hot button issue, but not smart enough to know much about real issues. Want to set up voting as it should, DARE to ask, no demand, from pols/talking heads, Vote opens Friday, 6AM, closed Sunday, 6PM and get real. This of course will not go as votes, like everything else is manipulated, set up for one side or others benefits. Suggest the fools posts pushing scare tactics, idiot partisan spin and what amounts to hate, read a big of USA history, get their facts straight and stop trying to return SE USA to late 1800's. How sad for the nation, along with nearly everything else, the privilege of voting is not subject to political manipulations from the greedy who are purchasing the USA.

October 5, 2011 at 9:51 a.m.
fftspam said...

nowfedup.. LOL. Don't preach.. give facts

October 5, 2011 at 10 a.m.

"The Boynton Terrace resident plans to vote by absentee ballot" So.. Since she wasn't able to get her picture ID, she is just going to give up and vote absentee? Can she not prove who she is? If not, I wouldn't want her to vote anyway. I would be ticked off if I was Dorothy Cooper and got to the voting facility only to find out that I had already voted. I would also be ticked off if I found out my dead father voted for Obama.

October 5, 2011 at 10:42 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MusicMan375 said: "Some people posting in this thread need to take off the tin-foil hats."

Have you conveniently forgotten about the noisy segment of the Republican Party who has been pushing the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote in U.S. elections? This is the group that needs to take off the tin-foil hats.

MusicMan375 said: "Hambone, you must have missed the part of the story explaining that she didn't have documentation that linked her maiden name to her married name. The voter registration card showed her married name, but she didn't have a copy of the marriage license to prove she is the same person as her birth certificate shows."

And it sounds like you missed the part of the story indicating that Mrs. Cooper has a Social Security card, which does provide documentation linking her maiden name to her married name or have you conveniently forgotten that a citizen must show their birth certificate to obtain a Social Security card. To require a copy of a “marriage license” seems like an excessive request to me, and also potentially more costly. Copies of vital records are not cheap, and I suspect a woman who is living on a fixed income may not be able to afford the fees. Indeed, if a woman had been married more than once she might have a very difficult time paying such fees.

*MusicMan375 said: "These rules are in place for everyone, not just some."

Indeed, but it’s also rather obvious that the rules were design to make it difficult for certain sectors of the U.S. population to vote. In the case of Mrs Cooper, she had a birth certificate, a social security card, which does link her married name with her maiden name, a photo ID issued by the Chattanooga Police Department, and her voter registration card. I’d say she had more than enough identification to obtain a photo ID. Clearly, State Representative Tommie Brown is correct when she says that Mrs. Cooper's case is an example of how the law "erects barriers" for the elderly and poor people.

October 5, 2011 at 10:43 a.m.

How does a social security card magically link a maiden name and a married name if the SS card has her married name on it?

October 5, 2011 at 10:59 a.m.
hambone said...

Musicman, Like Mrs Cooper I have had my Voter Registration Card for over 35 years. I had to jump thru hoops to get it, prove who I was, prove my age, and prove where I live.

I have voted at the same polling place for 25 years but now my Card is just another peace of scrap paper.

October 5, 2011 at 11:12 a.m.

I too, googled "sandyonsignal" and it appears the Communist Party is alive and kicking on Signal Mountain.

Thanks hixsonresident. Good research - much better than the hacks at TFP are providing.

October 5, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said: "How does a social security card magically link a maiden name and a married name if the SS card has her married name on it?"

Social Security maintains records of all name changes. In order to make a name change, the applicant has to file an application, explain why a name change is being requested, and has to provide the appropriate documents. The most common name changes are related to marriage or divorce. If you are still in doubt FPSE, check out the name change procedures on the Social Security website. One would think the State of Tennessee would be aware of these facts.

October 5, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
fedup350 said...

I think that tommie brown needs to buy a new wig. That one looks like she has a dead cat on her head. Maybe she could borrow a hat from joanne favors. That would make a good picture when she goes to get her photo I.d. made so she can vote for more govt handouts.

October 5, 2011 at 11:22 a.m.
Shock said...

BookieTurner - Maybe I missed something. Why would the TFP need to "research" and report on SandyonSignal's political affiliation?

Also, for anyone who reads comments under TFP stories on a regular basis, you know exactly where Sandy stands on issues based on what she writes. It hardly requires "research"

October 5, 2011 at 11:31 a.m.
fedup350 said...

I googled "sandyonsignal" too. Tall about extreme ultra left wing liberal. That website was scary!

October 5, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.

So, because the social security administration has name change records the DMV should give her an ID? I don't believe the DMV and the SSA share the same database.

October 5, 2011 at 11:42 a.m.
klugermann said...

So, this is what it oomes to... Taking pot shots at 96 year-old women and making fun of people's hair. The FACT is that the law is absurd - the documentation requirements can be easily obtained online or with a basic understanding of pc software. The cost to us taxpayers (who, by the way, are simultaneoulsy creaming about loss of freedom and government over-spending) is a waste of money. But none of that matters as long as we get to take a cheap shot - from the comfort and security of relative anonymity - at each other. God Bless America!

October 5, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.

It always degenerates to this klugermann. When you don't have facts, there are always insults. I can't understand why this lady's age is such a big issue. Old age doesn't grant honesty, credibility or citizenship. It seems like just a diversion from the true issue. She couldn't prove she was who she said she was. I am glad they are taking it seriously enough to deny her the ID until she proves her identity.

October 5, 2011 at 11:55 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Voting should be mandatory, no exceptions. It is the most important duty an American has and it should be illegal not to participate. That scares repugnants to death and would be their demise. Anything that disgusting manipulative party can do to supress the vote is what they will do under any guise. It is the only force left with which the Plutocracy will be defeated by and the repugnants know it.

October 5, 2011 at 11:59 a.m.
ibshame said...

Whether you believe she was a "set-up" or whatever it only takes one instance of someone being turned away for this so-called free photo id and Tennessee finds itself in a court spending millions to litigate this ridiculous law. This woman is 96 years old and has been voting for years. The inconvenience of trying to get to the place where she was turned away is more than enough to challenge this law to begin with. What if the only way she had to get to this place was to pay someone to take her there and now she's been turned away by some brainless twit because she doesn't have a marriage license but yet she has all other documentation including a SS card and a Voters Registration Card. The only thing I'm left wondering now is which set of high powered lawyers are coming to Tennessee from the DOJ and other organizations to start the legal ball rolling. And here I thought we were worried about spending in Tennessee.

October 5, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
Gump said...

There's also the rather racist suggestion that she only votes so she can get handouts. Yes, of course, she's black, so that must make her a lazy moocher! Of course!

October 5, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.


I know! Who do they think they are creating their welfare/entitlement slave plantations and brainwashing the slaves with class warfare and denegration through affirmative action telling them they aren't good enough to do it on their own? Horrible, evil, nasty people. They even scare them into voting for them through threats that their welfare largesse might be taken away if "those evil other guys" get into power. Repugnant indeed.

October 5, 2011 at 12:13 p.m.
Humphrey said...

Man, I am so disappointed. I read the comments about googling "SandonSignal" and so I right clicked and googled, and well, that wasn't very exciting at all. That little blog is what somebody thinks is "ultra-leftwing" and "scary?" And "communist?" REALLY? Some folks should get out more! Left of center? Sure. But good grief. A real left wing communist would probably put some folks in the hospital, lol. I guess if you are standing on the north pole then even Alaska looks way down south.

October 5, 2011 at 12:14 p.m.
Gump said...

And now we see what the real issue is: we can't allow people to vote for support for policies that the Right doesn't like.

In what universe is welfare "largesse"?

October 5, 2011 at 12:22 p.m.
BigDonL said...

I think only Blacks and Mexicans should have to show picture ID's. Wait, also redheads.

October 5, 2011 at 12:32 p.m.
hambone said...

I guess there are those that think it is just a coincidence that every state that has a Republican legislature and governor has passed new laws requiring photo ID and shorter early voting periods while requiring new voters to wait longer before they can vote?

October 5, 2011 at 12:41 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said: “So, because the social security administration has name change records the DMV should give her an ID? I don't believe the DMV and the SSA share the same database.

The State of Tennessee’s DMV doesn’t share databases with a lot of agencies, but that doesn’t seem to stop them from using alleged documents from those agencies as primary proof of a person’s identity – do military discharge papers actually prove a person’s identity? Does an out of state driver’s license actually prove a person’s identity? In reality, I don’t think so.

Personally, I believe the Department of Social Security would be the better agency to issue a person’s voter ID card. They are a federal agency, their records are complete and up to date, which means, ultimately, it would be much less of a hardship on everyone, especially for our Nation’s seniors who seem to be the primary target of the Republican Party.

Indeed, the Department of Social Security could issue a primary identity document with minimal bureaucracy. Since the right to vote is a Constitutional issue, it makes sense that a Federal agency is responsible for assuring this right. It certainly makes more sense than placing State politicians in charge, especially in States like Tennessee where local politicians seem to be working to undermine the right of every citizen to vote in U.S. elections.

October 5, 2011 at 1 p.m.
nowfedup said...

The reality is simple enough, the vote is being manipulated to assure more of Right votes then Left and that it is hidden behind "We only want legal voters" reeks of Jim Crow and "test for voters (other then whites) of the folks that lost the war, but never their hates.

Sorry but wave your little imported flags of "righteous citizens protecting nation" all you want, but tone of insults and charges of using this women, all kind of remind us of the klan and their elected whom would sell of do anything to get a vote.

How sad, an Icon of the hate, when a 96 year old women who has voted longer them some of posters lived, is denied for any reason. There are NO facts that support any type of danger from "Illegal voters or dead voters or or or" There are facts that our electronic no paper back up is bigger danger, as are partisans in control of vote counts etc. When we as a free nation need to get more out to vote, not legislate ways to lower count, it rather proves from posts, TN is at bottom of education/ethics and moral measurement. We can only hope that the posting of fools and their hate is simply a matter of once in their dumbed down miserable lives, a cry for someone to finally notice them, even if via various fools gambits. So should we open vote from Friday 6AM, 24 hours per through Sunday 6PM to get as many there as we can? Why not? Note if "costs" and issue, just take a 1/3% from upper end tax cuts to fund it.

October 5, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
fedup350 said...

To gump: you are the only one who equated being black with handouts which means that YOU are the racist! Its funny how you liberals are so quick to cry about this but have nothing to say about the voter fraud perpetuated by acorn. Or the black panthers with clubs at the voting places. You bunch of left wing hypocrits. And for the race baiters on here poor elderly whites have to comply also but that doesn't fit in your conspiracy theories does it. Lastly it DOES look lile a dead cat on tommie browns head AND joanne favors does wear a lot of big floppy hats!

October 5, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.
Shock said...

Nowfedup - you obviously are passionate about this topic and I can see your point of view. However, I don't think it is unreasonable to require proof that someone is who they say they are before they vote. Would you get upset with an airline that wouldn't let this woman board a plane without a photo ID?

Be "fed up" with an overloaded bureaucratic system that makes it unnecessarily difficult to get an ID. Take your passion and fight for a streamlined system that aids citizens in getting ID that is becoming more and more necessary in our society.

I'm all for getting as many people to the polls as possible. In fact, I'd advocate for a national holiday on presidential elections to make it easier for people to get to the polls. They just need to have an I.D. in hand. . .

October 5, 2011 at 1:54 p.m.

I agree with shock. It isn't about rejecting valid voters, it is about stopping all of the Chicago style voting going on. I hope every single valid, eligible voter makes it to the polls to vote in 2012. EVERY eligible voter. This year, eligibility requires ID. Such a simple thing to prevent so much fraud and get the backs of so many criminals up.

October 5, 2011 at 2:03 p.m.
patriot1 said...

If a person does not want to get a photo ID then don't, it's not required and neither is voting.....not voting means my vote counts more..I could care less whether some geezer or geezerette votes!!!

October 5, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

obviousman said... The article mentions that people over 60 can opt to have their driver's license issued without a photo. The question is why? It would seem that given the current photo ID to vote requirement, the legislator should start requiring everyone to have a photo on their driver's license

obviousman, that photo opt-out decision was made long before this new photo ID requirement came into play. There really aren't that many 96 year olds still driving anyway, even if they ever did drive. With or witout a photo, most no longer would have drivers' license anyway.

October 5, 2011 at 2:48 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

FPSE, the voter fraud excuse has been overplayed anyway. In fact, on a small precentage were found true. This is just another excuse to disenfranchise certain ethnic, racial, class and social groups of Americans.

October 5, 2011 at 2:51 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...


Obsess much? Good grief, I never thought about googling everyone's name who posts here. You have way too much time on your hands.

It is a pity you didn't tell them about what I write. I'll go ahead and share with everyone. I am contributing writer for IGTNT- I Got the News Todayt (click to read). I Got the News Today is a series of tributes intended to honor, respect and remind. It appears just about every night on the Daily Kos. Its title is a reminder that almost every day a military family gets the terrible news about a loved one. Diaries about the fallen usually appear two days after their names are officially released, which allows time for the IGTNT team to find and tell their stories. They all had loved ones, families and friends. We share a glimpse into their lives and how much of a terrible loss this is for our country. Although, I am one of 14 writers doing this series right now, it occupies a great deal of time and energy. I no longer have time for my own blog, Southern Liberal, but hope to get back to it soon. Would be nice if we had peace and our troops were home, this would be a great relief for many reasons. The war is keeping me busy honoring and remembering our fallen. Last night, I wrote about three soldiers. One of whom had a baby daughter a week ago, and he saw her birth via Skype, but he was never able to hold her in his arms. Sunday night, I wrote about six fallen soldiers. Four of the six were of hispanic origin. Race doesn't matter in our Armed Forces, only back home in Tennessee. Sad for so many reasons.

October 5, 2011 at 3:42 p.m.
fedup350 said...

Here is amnestiUSAF84 again making up his own facts as seen by him. Never mind all the fraud that was documented, oh no amnestiUSAF84 don’t let a few pesky facts interfere with your twisted racial view of the world. amnestiUSAF84 you are one of the biggest race mongers on here without a doubt. It is about voter fraud, not race not class or social groups, everyone had to have a photo I.D. to vote, Let me repeat for the idiots (amnestiUSAF84) EVERYONE has to have a photo I.D. to vote. Is it racism to require a photo I. D. to cash a check? Board a plane? Get a loan? Drive a car? The law doesn’t say - only poor people or black people or old people or liberals or democrats have to have a photo I. D. its says EVERYONE. It’s the law now so cry all you want but if you want to vote you probably should get a photo I.D.

October 5, 2011 at 3:44 p.m.
fedup350 said...

sandyonsignal yeah, race only matters to some people in Tennessee like you. You are the one who mentioned that they were Hispanic soldiers and then said, Oh race doesn’t matter, only to people like you sandyonsignal does it matter or you wouldn’t have brought up the soldiers race. People like you and amnestiUSAF84 are the true racists and you hide that fact by calling everyone else one. Shame on you. Typical liberal tactics. Show us how we are racist by constantly bring up race every chance you get to show us poor heathens how backward we are and how superior you are. You hypocrite.

October 5, 2011 at 3:58 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said: It isn't about rejecting valid voters, it is about stopping all of the Chicago style voting going on.”

And the Texas style of voting fraud, FlyingPurpleSheepleEater. Indeed, if you were truly concerned about voting fraud, you would be expressing concerns about manipulating the composition of the electorate in order to achieve a certain result – like the manipulation the Republicans are doing in Texas:

“AUSTIN, Texas — The U.S. Department of Justice said in a court filing Monday that Texas' new voting maps for Congress and for the Texas House do not meet federal anti-discrimination requirements, setting up a legal battle that will decide the landscape of future elections in the state. The case, which involves the election districts drawn by the Republican-led Texas Legislature, will likely be decided by a federal court in Washington, D.C. . . .

. . . Texas received four new congressional seats following the last census, more than any other state. The new congressional map was drawn with the goal of protecting and possibly expanding the 23-9 majority enjoyed by Republicans in Texas' delegation in Washington.

Hispanics have accounted for two-thirds of the state's growth since 2000. Yet during the two-week federal trial, opponents argued that GOP mapmakers went out of their way to stifle those gains and deny Hispanics greater voting power.

Democrats argued that the map passed by the Texas Legislature this summer simply packed Hispanics and blacks into the same districts.”

October 5, 2011 at 4 p.m.
fedup350 said...

Oh sandyonsignal how come you are not "protesting" the war now? Is it because a liberal is making war now instead of a Republican? I bet you were screaming about the unjust war when Bush was president but now where are you and Cindy Sheehan? Oh now you are just trying to do you part. Never mind that a liberal has us in several “unjust” wars now. You hypocrite

October 5, 2011 at 4:03 p.m.
nowfedup said...

350, two things in your search for reality, Voter fraud has NEVER been documented anywhere in USA as any sort of issue, no where. It simply a unsubstaniated rumor to feed to the lower end of society. Second this is of course aimed at the lower end by the R' and tea klans. Lower end, elderly, minority are the ones that have a more difficult time finding means to get or data to support a photo ID. Common knowledge among those with IQ in double digits that this is simply manipulation of voters for Right as the lower end and others usually vote D and all is being done to make it tougher for them, same with early votes etc. So please do not wrap yourself in rightous flag of saving nation, your whole post is simply R/tea klanner spin. There is NO big voter fraud, there are real concerns however of paperless electronic voting and how easily that one can be changed, but such is way beyond you little mind. Only fools think this is some super patriotic thing to save the nation, reality is only R and the more racist states used this one, but amusing to hear the garbage spewed out to justify the unjustifiable. Still waiting to see your source data for your claim of USS overrun with illegal voters and from reliable source.

October 5, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.
JoeSmith said...

The only thing Acorn was guilty of was ineptitude. Their volunteers were "paid" for every voter registration form they turned in, so of course the temptation to fill out forms with bogus information was irresistable. The registrars who got the forms saw through that, and the bogus names never made it on to the election rolls. It's disingenuous, and outright dishonest, to toss around accusations of voter fraud when that never took place.

As for disenfranchising, it's not any one particular instance, as we see here with Ms. Cooper who eventually found a way to be able to vote. But there are a lot of Americans in similar circumstances who don't have the time or the support network in place that allows them to persist until they get what they need to exercise their voting right. The law is designed with these Americans in mind - anything to put yet another obstacle in their path, in the hope they'll just give up trying.

I imagine a lot of the folks in this thread who are defending the picture ID law are typing from the comfort of their suburban homes, not thinking twice about the two late-model cars in their garage that enable them to get around without thinking twice about it, and being able to do so during their "leisure time". Compare that to a minimum wage earner holding two (or more) jobs who relies on public transportation for whom "leisure time" just doesn't exist. They're not likely to be GOP voters, so if there's fraud anywhere, it's being committed by those who support these kinds of laws and perpetuate the fear behind them.

October 5, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

F'dup 350,

Didn't like the war then, don't like it now. At least Iraq is over in terms of combat. Afghanistan and the war on terror continues in spite of poll after poll showing Americans displeasure with it.

When you vilify Cindy Sheehan, you are vilifying a Gold Star Mother. Have you no shame? Guess not. IGTNT wrote about her son Casey, same with Pat Tilman, LCPL Chance, PFC. Restrepo, and those are some of the well known ones. Not much difference when you talk to the mothers of the fallen. Their grief does not stop at just their daughters and sons, but to all of our nation's fallen. No one should bury their children. Period.

October 5, 2011 at 4:15 p.m.
fedup350 said...

nowfedup, you are simply a liar by saying no voter fraud was documented. You are simply a liar or is it that your IQ is single digits? How about your source data? You don’t have any. Oh wait you are a liberal if you say it then must be so and how DARE anyone have an opinion other than yours? You post is nothing but lies and your own misguided opinion and you like the others have to resort to hate mongering when you are questioned. Your post was a bunch of self-serving gibberish, nothing more. So if someone disagrees with you then they ust be the Klan? Or they must have a low IQ? Oh you have to show how smart you are right? You are a fool. One more thing, why cant you be more original and get your own screen name and quit being a copy cat.

October 5, 2011 at 4:15 p.m.
Shock said...

fedup350 - take a chill pill, sheesh. Sandy's not protesting the war so you spew venom at at her. So if Sandy were protesting the war, you wouldn't be spewing at her? I think not. How does one avoid your spewing?

The 350 doth protest too much, methinks.

October 5, 2011 at 4:19 p.m.
fedup350 said...

sandyonsignal, then why did you bring up the fact that there were Hispanic soldiers? Look out, your self-serving racism is showing. So tell me, where is Ms Sheehan now? Why does she not protest now? Why is the liberal media not beating down her door now to get a tear-filled statement? Hypocrites…..

October 5, 2011 at 4:19 p.m.
fedup350 said...

Shock, I was making the point that it wasn’t long ago she and the liberals were decrying the war and heaping abuse on the war makers. I am not saying if the war was right or wrong. I am only saying that she is a hypocrite by her self-serving post now that we have a liberal making war. I do take offense at the idea from her and her liberal brethren that they think they can attack and marginalize anyone that doesn’t share their twisted view of the world. I am entitled to my opinion too and all their name-calling won’t stifle it. Call it venom if you like. I call it having my say. I guess if we were socialist like they dream of then they could stifle other peoples opinion but we are a Republic (not a democracy sandyonsignal).

October 5, 2011 at 4:30 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

I wanted you to know they were patriots and proud to serve our country. One came from a Puerto Rican, single mother with five children living in Brooklyn. He was hard working through and through. He served in the US Marines from 2002-2006 and served in Iraq. After his service was finished, he worked and supported his family. In 2009, he couldn't find a job and joined the Army. He had a wife, daughter and one on the way. His baby girl was born two months to the day, before he was killed in Afghanistan. His wife said "Let the world know, he died for his children"

I hope you realize hispanics are hardworking and have strong family ties. They are not illegal and they are not criminals like so many Republicans depict them to be. They are courageous, hard-working and an asset to our nation.

October 5, 2011 at 4:35 p.m.
fedup350 said...

sandyonsignal, I said nothing negative about hispanics. I simply asked why you had to bring up their race. I am sure the story you just described could apply to lots of soldiers and Marines, black, white, asian or whatever race, It goes without saying. Thier race doesnt matter. Only to people like you does it matter.

October 5, 2011 at 4:39 p.m.
fedup350 said...

Oh so I see, I had the nerve to qeustion you sandyonsignal so I must not like Hispanics. Is that right? Never mind that I never said anything like that. But to you it must be that I am a racist because I dare question you. Is that right? Oh how could I question you when you the high and mighty pious sandyonsignal are spending your precious time writing about a war that a few years ago you were spewing your own venom about? I see. Typical liberal tactics.

October 5, 2011 at 4:46 p.m.
LowGenius said...

I'm really amazed at some of the comments here.

Can anyone, anywhere, provide ANY evidence of actual voter fraud that would have been prevented with a photo ID?

Dear "ACORN did all that horrible stuff" guy - ACORN actually didn't do anything. The only instance of voter fraud connected to ACORN was a situation in which people were being paid for registering other people to vote. Problem with that was a) that isn't legal in Washington State, where the incident took place and b) either one or a couple of less ethical folks thought "hey if we're getting paid per registration we should just make a bunch of people up, cash our checks, and get out of dodge before they notice."

Not "Voter fraud by ACORN" but "loser fraud against ACORN." Amazing what happens when you do a little research.

The tradition of this country has been - since women and minorities were allowed their right to vote at least - to create as few impediments to voting as possible.

Strange as it may seem, once upon a time getting as many people to vote as possible seemed like an admirable goal in this country.

In the mean time: can anyone provide ANY example of a US election in which voter ID fraud was perpetrated on such a massive scale that it made a difference in the results? What are we really talking about here - a small handful of felons (in states where felons can't vote) trying to vote anyway? Is there some vast conspiracy to engage in fake voting under false identification in order to rig elections?

Has there EVER been ONE case in this country in which ANY vote was cast illicitly and it would have been prevented by a photo ID?

What about the 80 years or so of voting before photography was invented?

People should think more and hate less.

October 5, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
ginagirl43 said...

Anything to cry Racism. Enough of that already. And yes I agree with many of you on Tommie Brown. Got a big chip on her shoulder.

October 5, 2011 at 5:12 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

LowGenius said: "Can anyone, anywhere, provide ANY evidence of actual voter fraud that would have been prevented with a photo ID?"

Indeed, poll site impersonation fraud is a rare event. I doubt anyone will be able to provide you with any evidence that it has actually occurred - but, let's wait and see.

October 5, 2011 at 5:13 p.m.
Gump said...

I would think that any identity thief would have more exciting things to do than vote.

Acknowledging the existence of race is not racism. Pretending everybody has the privileges and protections of being a white male, while ignoring the cultural and economic differences, is. Yes, this law applies to everybody in theory, but in the real world, has a disproportionate effect on minorities, the elderly, and the poor.

In the end, it's just another hoop of red tape to jump through to exercise a basic right. And to anyone who yells, "This isn't a democracy," I'll remind you: there are three constitutional amendments expanding and explicitly protecting everybody's right to vote. Not one restricts it.

October 5, 2011 at 5:55 p.m.
fedup350 said...

Well mountainlaurel I guess voter impersonation fraud will be even more rare now huh? We wont have to wait and see because with this law we avert it. It’s a win win situation then.

Oh and lets see here, lowgenius says that there is no voter fraud and then goes on to describe illegal voter fraud that went on? What? That doesn’t make sense. It happened but don’t worry about it because it never happened?

I agree with ginagirl. Liberals will use any excuse to cry racism. It gets them more votes. It doesn’t matter if it is true or not as long as they scream it some dolts will believe it.

October 5, 2011 at 6:01 p.m.
fedup350 said...

Good smoke screen Gump. I said nothing about race in my post and then you come along and say that I did. Thats not "Acknowledging the existence of race". Lets see, your post was:

Gump said... There's also the rather racist suggestion that she only votes so she can get handouts. Yes, of course, she's black, so that must make her a lazy moocher! Of course!

So in your own words you equate handouts with black lazy moochers. Your words, not mine. Its in black and white. Nice try but no dice. You are clearly the race baiter.

October 5, 2011 at 6:19 p.m.
gado184 said...

Depressing the vote is a far more serious problem than voter fraud. Just Google for documented examples of each. The U.S. is changing, and it isn't for the better. Everyone agrees that the government is supposed to serve the "people", but then we turn around and insist that the same "people" serve the economy.

October 5, 2011 at 7:19 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

I saw this on national television this evening. This is what Tennessee Republicans are doing to our state's image: wrecking it. We cannot plausibly deny voting rights to an old black woman who has voted more than every elected official in state office today. This is abject nonsense and needs to stop immediately. Repeal that disgusting law infringing on these poor people now. Let them vote.

October 5, 2011 at 8:02 p.m.
Skunkrocker said...

I really don't think this is a republicans versus democrats or blacks vs whites issue, yet you all seem to be turning it into one. To be fair mostly everyone here, with a few obviously frailties on both sides, make very good points. While I can see the issue from every angle, I believe you have to consider only the cold facts here. The only issue is related to two conflicting laws that were passed. No one denied her ability to vote, only her ability to vote without a photo ID, and even gave her the option to use an absentee ballot since that doesn't require a photo ID. This only becomes an issue with people her age, in which the state says you don't need a photo ID once becoming a senior citizen and therefore doesn't offer one, yet requires one to vote. It's simply one of those big misunderstandings of having conflicting laws which happen often in a country, or even a state, as big as this one with hundreds of thousands or even millions or billions living in it. It happens. The best thing to do right now is to figure out how to rework said laws to make sense while immediately rectifying this situation. The worst thing to do is A. turn this into an issue of race (because it's not), B. turn this into an issue of left wing versus right wing government (because it's not), C. ignore the problem and hope it goes away. Someone obviously saw point C, and that's a good thing, but you all immediately responded with points A and B, and you're just exacerbating the problem. The idea is to work together to make an already great country even better, not split it apart and segregate it by blaming each other's respective sides for an issue that truly doesn't exist. Isn't that what made this country great in the first place?

October 5, 2011 at 8:23 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

What difference does it make? To Republicans, one voter that can't vote for President Obama.

Read More

October 5, 2011 at 10:05 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

The question is this: Should any American Citizen have to jump through such hoops to vote?

I guess this elderly lady is Republican collateral damage. For every 5 guilty people who are put to death one innocent is put to death. But that's all OK.

Well, we stop illegal voting and in doing so, we prevent a few American Citizens from voting, then that's all OK.

It's the Republican way......!

October 5, 2011 at 10:16 p.m.
Momus said...

Funny story: I was in line at the Bi-lo and the lady in front of me was paying with a credit card. When the cashier asked to see her ID, the lady snapped back "I'm white".

October 6, 2011 at 12:51 a.m.
Godisincontrol said...

^^^^^^that is tooooo funny

October 6, 2011 at 3:16 a.m.
Marlene said...

Ohio, like every other state whose governor is a member of the treasonous, and un-American ALEC, also shoved through a so-called "voter fraud" bill through the legislature.

Fortunately, opponents were able to gather up enough signatures on petitions to suspend our voter suppression law for a referendum next November!

Here's some other little tidbits the nitwits from the TeaBirchers forget to tell folks about these so-called "voter fraud bills:

1) It prohibits (or makes it optional for) a poll worker from telling a voter where their correct precinct's located.

2) If you have to vote provisionally, any innocent error in writing information on the envelope instantly invalidates the ballot.

3) It cuts nearly in half the time for a county Board of Elections to send out absentee ballots --WHICH INCLUDES OUR TROOPS OVERSEAS! Where's all the outraged rah-rah chickenhawks who called for invading Iraq and Afghanistan because our soldiers are prohibited from voting?

4) Keeps BOEs from sending absentee ballot applications to all residents.

There's lots more in these voter suppression laws, which blatantly violate the Voting Rights Act!

October 6, 2011 at 6:25 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Marlene Thanks for added info, which media has NEVER mentioned, amusing how the 'good ole boys" groups all sound like "we jus a duing ur thung to keep yall safe" in usual racist manner, as if they do not know whom these rather dictatorial rules are aimed, the poor How sad a nation we have become.Also noted that the protests against Wall St are all in the N and West, pretty easy to see why after reading some of the kiddies posts on this one. Maybe if enough of "Dreaded outsiders" move to TN they can send the knuckle drag'rs and their 1980 culture back to the trees.

October 6, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Stanley, Thank you for the link. I really like the site!

October 6, 2011 at 12:51 p.m.
kaylon said...

The problem is the lady had s voter registration card,an ID from the local police department, and her social security card,and rental agreement from where she lived and was still denied a voter I'd card. Why should you have to have a voter ID to vote? Why wouldn't a state issued ID be good enough of an ID? This sounds like voter suppression to me. What us to stop someone from stealing peoples voter ID card before an election? Would they not be able to vote if that happens?

October 6, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
Gump said...

fedup: You were the one who brought up "handouts." So made you jump so quickly to the conclusion that that was her beef? As far as I can tell, it's one of two reasons:

One, because she's black and you associate black people with lazy welfare leeches. It's a common stereotype; and the late GOP strategist Lee Atwater himself admitted that fussing about welfare and affirmative action was just a way to appeal to racism without appearing openly racist.

Or two, you're so sad and angry that you'll lash out at an old lady who dared to speak out about something that affected her.

But that's just the impression I got. Tell me, what did you intend by that "handouts" remark?

October 6, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.
marymancini said...

If you're against this law, please sign the petition to repeal it at!

October 7, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
LibDem said...

According to the State Election Commission, less than half of Tennesseeans voted in the November 2010 election. If illegals, elderly, homeless, etc, care enough to go to the polls, they should be allowed to vote. They have more community interest than the majority.

October 7, 2011 at 6:03 p.m.
plippman said...

Rachel, It would be WONDERFUL if you can do a story on (or include to the extent possible as part of any related story) ways in which any concerned and activist minded citizen can influence/stop this "madness" other than through the typical route of contacting one's elected official(s). I'm interested in a comprehensive analysis of the options to act via activist/lobbying groups, grass-roots movements (with potential impact), etc. I do my best to act with integrity and hopefully have some degree of positive and fair influence through all aspects of my life and am a true believer that change happens "naturally and organically" over time. That said, I am growing more concerned by the day and plan on doing nothing less but my best at influencing the flip side of this "madness" as rapidly as possible. Thanks for being such a wonderful and desperately needed intelligent and articulate voice for all of us.

October 9, 2011 at 1:39 a.m.
11sunflower said...

Ansley s headline for this story is inaccurate. It should read "Volunteer Charline Kilpatrick failed a citizen trying to get her Voter ID card." But then creating something sensational, like a sweet elderly woman who emcompasses all that use to be racially different two generations ago, as someone who remains oppressed makes for a better slant. Don't use Miss Cooper this way Ansley. You degrade her humanity

October 10, 2011 at 7:35 a.m.
MsSnooty2Shus said...

mountainlaurel said... Social Security maintains records of all name changes. In order to make a name change, the applicant has to file an application, explain why a name change is being requested, and has to provide the appropriate documents. The most common name changes are related to marriage or divorce. If you are still in doubt FPSE, check out the name change procedures on the Social Security website. One would think the State of Tennessee would be aware of these facts.

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said: "How does a social security card magically link a maiden name and a married name if the SS card has her married name on it?" And “So, because the social security administration has name change records the DMV should give her an ID? I don't believe the DMV and the SSA share the same database.”

Mountainlaurelj.. Thank you for being so eloquent in your posts. I applaud you for stating the very facts of this situations without resorting to childish comments and NOT taking the bait of several (obviously misinformed and disturbed) characters. You have captured the very essence of what this mess is all about.

Obviously, a fully backed Republican (House Judiciary Committee Chair F. James Sensenbrenner (Republican, Wisconsin)) maneuver to circumvent democratic rights, the REAL ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418) through the Department of Homeland Security solves the question of whether Ms Dorothy Cooper was in compliance with her own submitted documents.

Even though Tennessee has been among those states to oppose this legislation (if that can be believed from this fiasco) they still are required to be in compliance with this law.

Ergo. What Ms. Dorothy Cooper presented IS acceptable and for the record DMV the SSA DOES have interactive databases. House Passes H.R. 418, the REAL ID Act of 2005

ps new to this forum forgive the link thing

October 15, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.
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