published Sunday, October 30th, 2011

Vacancy

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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carlB said...

Why did the Republicans and the Tea Party decide to put their political and ideologies "ahead" of the good of this Republic instead of helping with it's recovery? We already know there are millions of people wanting to find work while they live off governments' assistance of everything from food to paying their utilities. This is not the peoples' fault when their government and the capitalists have worked together setting up these free trade global conditions over the years with the low monetary value countries with the plans in place to close plants here in the USA to have their goods manufactured in the lower total cost countries. Selling their goods in these countries and sending their designed surplus to other developed countries as the USA, creating the designed trade deficit which is now at $600 Billion Dollars per year. Do the voters who turn out to vote for the people running on the promises of taking down the strength of our government really understand what what they are "wishing for" will only lead to another "great depression" under our increasing wage gap between the have's and the have not's? This apparently is what these people want to happen for destroying everything associated with FDR's New Deal policies? Now the "tea party" people have as their objectives are to put the fear of getting the politicians to vote in favor of weakening all of our governments' control or they will get rid of the politicians who do not vote for their cause.

October 30, 2011 at 12:59 a.m.
dude_abides said...

You know what I think? I think that we're all in our private traps, clamped in them, and none of us can ever get out. We scratch and we claw, but only at the air, only at each other, and for all of it, we never budge an inch.

October 30, 2011 at 1:22 a.m.
memphisexile said...

I think we would solve a lot of these problems if we put a 2 term limit on senators and a 5 term limit on house reps. There should also be an absolute ban on campaigning and campaign contributions. Instead, there t.v. stations should be required to provide X amount of time for each candidate to post a commercial and participate in debates. Until we get rid of the socially acceptable system of bribes (lobbying) nothing will change.

Also, it is amusing to see Boehner and the rest react to the tea party when they do not actually represent the majority of Americans. Most people are moderate and the tea party is extreme. Terrible candidates competing to show that they are all more right wing than their competitors = term #2 for President Obama.

October 30, 2011 at 2:10 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Great 'toon! And how fitting for Halloween. The symbolism is rich. The tea party: a dead, withered mother (inseminated by the seeds of Koch and their ilk) to mentally impaired offspring who don't have a clue how to get along in a sociable world. Of course, Boner would never stab anyone in a shower(or would he?). He's more likely to plead with his dead mother to let him go play golf and let the motel mind itself...kinda like he and his fellow Republicans think the country is supposed to do... devoid of governance.

October 30, 2011 at 6:43 a.m.
woody said...

For the first time in a long time, may I simply say, this could be taking the adage of "any old port in the storm" to the 'nth degree.

In my humble opinion, of course..Woody

October 30, 2011 at 7:12 a.m.
jimbob said...

Nice to see you back Woody.Hope you are doing ok.

October 30, 2011 at 8:10 a.m.
fairmon said...

rickaroo said about the tea groups....

(inseminated by the seeds of Koch and their ilk)

Is there any proof of Kock's financial assistnace to any of the hundres of "tea groups" across the country. Admittedly every speical interest group has their share of radical kooks but I have been unable to substanitate this claim regarding the Kock's financial support. George Soros and his money can be traced to various socialist groups but doesn't appear to have a significant impact yet.

October 30, 2011 at 8:25 a.m.
miraweb said...

With the Koch brothers (whose fortune is from oil refineries) it is fairly easy to follow the money.

The Guardian did a nice piece on all the pies (including the Tea Party) they have their fingers in:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/tea-party-billionaire-koch-brothers

October 30, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

I don't see how anyone can anticipate Obama not winning in 2012 when he starts off with the support of 49% that pay no taxes with some getting back a nice refund greater than the taxes paid in. The number will be greater than 49% by November of 2012.

Any politican promising to reduce unemployment by enabling the employment of unskilled, untrained and under educated American workers at a livable wage is creating fantasies and false hope.

Check out the number of those in the over 16% that are under or unemployed that are employment ready, less than one half. American consumers keep buying more and more imported prducts, including food, so the demand for Amrican made products continues dropping with more and more American companies closing or reducing their size and employment numbers.

October 30, 2011 at 8:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

Here are the Koch brother's position papers. The banking one is interesting in the light of Citibank's $285 million fine last week to settle charges it bundled bad mortgages into a fund then bet short against it to make a little money off the foreclosures.

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/banking-finreg

October 30, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.
miraweb said...

One more useful link. Here is the Koch brother's own invitation as hosts and funders of the October 2, 2010 tea party rally in Washington - along with a helpful "Home Organizing Kit" that they put together.

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/041509-taxpayer-tea-parties-update

October 30, 2011 at 9:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb.....

I don't see the Kock connection in these.

October 30, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

The video says there is no Kcok funding from the Kocks or any of it's foundations for the tea party.

October 30, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.
miraweb said...

AFP's chairman of the board just happens to be David Koch. It's former president is Koch Industries chief lobbyist Nancy Pfotenhauer who then went to work on John McCain's presidential run.

Koch Industries banking arm, Intrust Financial, is the reason for the AFP position paper against banking regulation. Although Intrust's Banks were not ashamed to ask for a little help from the FDIC during the financial crisis.

Here is a documented payment from the Chicago Tea Party to AFP.

http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/contrib.php?cmte=Americans+for+Prosperity&cycle=2010

More sources:

Intrust Bank: http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4027309

AFP and the Koch Brothers http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/who-is-americans-for-prosperit.html

October 30, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.
miraweb said...

Admittedly the Koch Brothers have had some help. Dick Armey had a falling out with them after his aides were indicted in the Abramoff scandal, so he quit working for them and started his own group "Freedom Works."

Freedom Works is even easier to link up with the Tea Party. If you Google "Freedom Works" there is a really good chance the first link you get will be "Donate to the Tea Party" as their own paid ad.

Worth a click, just to make them pay.

October 30, 2011 at 10:25 a.m.
lumpy said...

Here we go again with the Koch brothers. Put a sock in it, geez! You want to get into who funnels money into the Democrat Party? It's not pretty, and it doesn't get any uglier, literally, than George Soros.

I find it amazing that you Democrats talk as if the Democratic Party is as pure as newly fallen snow. Obama is in bed with all kinds of big corporations and drowning in their money. So back off, you sound ridiculous.

Hey, Carl, why did Obama decide to bury us in more debt and spend like a maniac when what was called for was restraint and fiscal responsibility? Why did he attack businesses at at time when jobs were being lost? You Democrats are unbelievable. He has an agenda, and he put it ahead of the republic. His agenda is statism or some kind of socialist utopia. Ridiculous spin.

Harp, If you go by states, Obama is in massive trouble. Any Democrat will have California, New York, and a couple more. Everywhere else he's in deep trouble. He'll lose the entire southwest, the south including Florida and the key states of N.C. and Virginia, he's in deep trouble in Michigan, Ohio,and Pennsylvania. He's not even a shoe in in Illinois. Independents gave him the victory in 2008. He will not have them again.

Democrat party enthusiasm and voter numbers will be down. The misery index is huge and it will kill him. Republicans will win the House again and take the Senate.

October 30, 2011 at 10:29 a.m.
miraweb said...

Actually, Lumpy. I agree. There is plenty of corruption to go around and I don't mind at all if you want to start documenting the bad news on the other side.

Though, BRP really hates it when we make him work weekends. He doesn't get overtime pay for that.

October 30, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
carlB said...

lumpy said... Hey, Carl, why did Obama decide to bury us in more debt and spend like a maniac when what was called for was restraint and fiscal responsibility? Why did he attack businesses at a time when jobs were being lost? You Democrats are unbelievable. He has an agenda, and he put it ahead of the republic. His agenda is statism or some kind of socialist utopia. Ridiculous spin.

lumpy , since you are "hell bent" not look at a comprehensive view of how this Republic got into this situation and only want to "dwell" on what President Obama has had to do since he has been the office and not connect it to what the conditions were before he was elected, is there any wonder why you are confused.

Why did the US total National Debt increase to $12 Trillion dollars during Bush W. eight years as President? Did the Government spending continue to increase while the revenues decreased? Did the increase in our National Debt cause the 2007 deep recession? No, the increase in the National Debt did not cause the 2007 deep recession, but from the conditions/situations that did cause the recession, the high National Debt does make it harder to get the necessary money needed for a recovery and prevent the recession from causing another great depression. President Clinton did not cause the doubling of our National Debt during his eight years in office. What changed and why did the Bush W. administration more than double the National Debt to $12 trillion dollars through his FY of 2009 and what really caused the 2007 deep recession? Everybody should be aware of the causes for the 2007 deep recession. However, the US was already in financial trouble from the loss of our middle class tax base jobs, the more than doubling of our "trade deficit" by the US consumers buying manufactured imported goods from the global corporations. These conditions caused an increase in our people living in poverty, and the 99 percent of the masses' wages have decreased while the one percent of people’s wages and benefits were increasing.
There is also the increase in the cost of living for everyone, causing greater hardships on the people living in poverty. Until the people who are in denial, divided, and can truthfully get back to correcting the issues/policies that are causing our unbalanced conditions, decide on what direction they want this Republic taken for preventing another great depression, our economy does not have a chance of recovering. The one thing needed for sure is the private sectors putting our people back to work here improving our infrastructure, manufacturing our needed goods and our supplies.


October 30, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.
miraweb said...

Very good points, Carl.

I really don't think there will be any real recovery until banks and hedge funds start taking their losses on housing.

Right now we have a situation where investors bought the equivalent of a 52" Flat Screen TV out of the back of a car by the side of the highway.

The cops have showed up and know where the TV was stolen from, but the investors now don't want to give what looks like a really nice TV back.

Investors are still imagining that those really, really expensive mortgage payments are a real part of their future income flow and can't believe that keeping those instruments will eventually cause people to walk away from their houses and result in even more destruction to the economy.

Why did we "save" the financial system if no one can get a loan?
What were we saving it for?

October 30, 2011 at 12:09 p.m.
EaTn said...

Going to Washington is like going to an upscale wedding party-- once they get smashed it's hard to tell the difference between the bride's family and the groom's family. Very few in Congress would be there if it weren't for the generosity of special interest groups.

October 30, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.
carlB said...

JonRoss said... I will have to agree with Carlb. By far the biggest beneficary of Wall Street criminal activities is Barack Hussien Obama. Barry has surrounded himself with a cadre of Wall Street thugs who will haul in a billion dollars in political funding while protecting their respective corporations.


JonRoss, but I do not agree with what you said. Of course there is some "fraud " occurring. FRAUD has been present forever and will always occur as long as there are "crooks." It does seem strange that people against having Obama as President would want do everything possible to destroy this Republic with another great depression just to prove that a person as President Obama is not their leader when he was elected by a large majority.

It is the Republicans and the other opponents of Obama who are apparently trying to prevent a recovery of the 2007 deep recession We need a comprehensive and bold jobs agenda, starting with the American Jobs Act. It will take money and Obama's enemies, including some Democrats, are "hell bent" to prevent him having the needed money to get our infrastructure jobs while the private sectors are not helping recreate any jobs here unless they get tax payer subsidies
It is time for the people to realize that to have a Republic, there has to be a proper balance held between the “extreme” political, ideological, and the “money lenders.”

Therefore with the global corporations not paying enough taxes to fill the void left by loss of the middle class tax base, this situation is creating an imbalance in the taxes needed to support the public teachers and the other tax supported public workers from the top to the local areas. Yet, the number of the people needing the services of these public workers is increasing.

October 30, 2011 at 3:45 p.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Welcome back Clay, hope you had a nice vacation. They didn't quit hating on you while you were gone, if nothing else the ignorant are steady. I guess they have to be to survive.

If Obama dropped dead today, nothing would change so get over your ignorant selves. Congress is broken on both sides and it won't get fixed as long as you pull the lever for millionaire politicians backed by special interests. America could take back all of this, by simply ignoring the written ballot, and writing in any name YOU choose. There is no better way to tell both parties to dry up and die than to ignore their pre-selected bozos. How about Americans being responsible for choosing our leaders and not special interests.

October 30, 2011 at 3:49 p.m.
carlB said...

onetinsoldier said...If Obama dropped dead today, nothing would change so get over your ignorant selves. Congress is broken on both sides and it won't get fixed as long as you pull the lever for millionaire politicians backed by special interests. America could take back all of this, by simply ignoring

America could take back all of this, by simply ignoring the written ballot, and writing in any name YOU choose

onetinsoldier, you are correct. There are smart and knowledgeable "poor people" who would do a much better job in representing the people. Getting them to accept running for office is another story because of the tactics used against the people and the cost involved is a problem. Yes, it would be a good thing if there could be a silent candidate that people would "write in."

What does it cost an elective candidate to “buy your vote“?
Regardless of the importance of the elective office, the cost to the candidate continues to increase, with more emphasis put on how much money one candidate is collecting over another. The cost of running for an elected office has apparently gotten more costly and competitive since the corporations can donate unlimited funds to the candidates they want elected. They appear to think that they can “buy” the peoples’ votes by continuously feeding the voters information whether it is the truth or not to get their candidates elected. This “buying of elections” should be an insult to the voters and to the other candidates who cannot “raise” enough money to compete with the unlimited money that the “Capitalist” corporations are able to give.

October 30, 2011 at 4:18 p.m.
rolando said...

Twenty-five posts and only five were by two conservatives. This will soon be a 100% mutual admiration society. That's one way to get this two-subject cartoonist outta here...

October 30, 2011 at 6:09 p.m.
carlB said...

JonRoss said... carlb, so what you are saying is Barack Obama is going to save us all from the evil money lenders ? And that all we have to do is submit to his superior intellect ? You can't make slaves of the productive class expecting them to feed, clothe, and house the non-productive


JonRoss, is this a game of nonsense you're trying to play? It appears that you are not looking for the right ways to stabilize this 2007 recession or even try to start a recovery process? Fact is, you so are far off base as to the time line of what has happened and what President Obama has been trying to do for preventing another great depression that all you are wanting to do is come up with non relative scare tactics. I will say this; we US consumers need to be aware of what the conditions of our free trade agreements with the global corporations, that are using the total lowest cost countries' workers to get their goods manufactured for importing the goods into the US is the cause of "making slaves of the productive class workers" and the people making the money are not paying their taxes to fill the void left by the middle class tax base.

October 30, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
BobMKE said...

The Quote of the Decade: “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006!

October 30, 2011 at 7:25 p.m.
carlB said...

JonRoss,The article below speaks of the details that we are discussing. When the people do not have money to pay for their higher standards or even their necessary conveniences then they are forced to go back to the basic methods of staying alive, putting food in their stomachs and having a roof over their heads. The policies that the private capitalist have taken or have not taken along with the leadership of our politicians has caused or allowed this Republic to go through our latest changes, setting up the conditions we are now having to deal with.

standard of living http://www.answers.com/topic/standard-of-living

There does not seem to have been any major change until after the 1920s, when the degree of inequality diminished somewhat, the rich losing and the poor gaining, in relative terms. By the 1950s, the richest 5 percent had about five times the income per family of the remaining 95 percent. From then to the mid-1970s, the distribution was rather stable, those in the middle-income groups gaining slightly at the expense of both rich and poor. After the 1970s, the distribution began to widen, with working families facing an increasingly declining standard of living. Beginning with the administration of President Ronald Reagan (1980–1988), and due in substantial part to his policies, the income disparity between the richest and poorest Americans has widened significantly. Weakened labor laws and the exploitation of unprotected immigrants have fueled this disparity and pushed a greater share of the nation's wealth upward to the top five percent, while the bottom third or more have experienced a decline in its standard of living.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/standard-of-living#ixzz1MwpdjIFp

inequality Lack of equality, as of opportunity, treatment, or status. Social or economic disparity: the growing inequality between rich and poor. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/inequality#ixzz1MwnocRX3

Level of material comfort that an individual or group aspires to or may achieve. This includes not only privately purchased goods and services but collectively consumed goods and services such as those provided by public utilities and governments. A standard of living determined for a group such as a country must be examined critically in terms of its constituent values. If the mean value increases over time, but at the same time the rich become richer and the poor poorer, the group may not be collectively better off. Various quantitative indicators can be used as measuring rods, including life expectancy, access to nutritious food and a safe water supply, and availability of medical care. For more information on standard of living, visit Britannica.com.

October 30, 2011 at 8 p.m.
acerigger said...

CarlB,I'll bet 10-to-1 that you're wasting your time!

October 30, 2011 at 8:09 p.m.
carlB said...

BobMKE said... The Quote of the Decade:


BobMKE, Senator Obama was right. We were on an unsustainable path and had been in the previous years. Due to the facts that the US had been losing it's manufacturing strength continuously over a period of years. More and more "free trade agreements kept being agreed to and our trade deficit with the global corporate monopolies more than doubled during the last eight years of the Bush W.'s administration while the US continued to lose our manufacturing jobs. Even now we have an unsustainable trade deficit of $600 Billion Dollars per year. Please read my other posts.

October 30, 2011 at 8:35 p.m.
carlB said...

acerigger said... CarlB,I'll bet 10-to-1 that you're wasting your time! October 30, 2011 at 8:09 p.m.


acerigger, thanks, you are probably right, but it is time for the sensible people to realize that to have a Republic, there has to be a proper balance held between the “extreme” political, ideological, and the “money lenders.” At this time we have lost the proper balance by at the least $600 Billion Dollars per year trade deficit. When counter acting the people who want to destroy this Republic because of their ideological whims against the duly elected President of the United States of America it is not a waste of time. Especially after the last administration left this country on the verge of another great depression. There are 300 Billion plus people who would suffer and have to live in the Anarchy which would occur. Is this what the opponents of Obama want to happen?

October 30, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.
tderng said...

carlB...total world population expected to reach 7 billion tomorrow.But I know what you meant.However,I do remember the left doing everything in their power to thwart everything Bush did.But that was done by the left so I guess it was ok.Bush was treated 100 times worse than Obama is,mostly because anytime someone goes against Obama its called racism and way too many on the right are terrified of being called racist even if their motivation has nothing to do with race.

October 30, 2011 at 9:51 p.m.
onetinsoldier said...

The left didn't do nearly enough to thwart that idiot bush or his daddy or regan, or for that matter clinton, he signed the repugnant bill to allow the banks to play casino. They have all been horrible leaders because their interests haven't been yours or my interests. They spend half of their lives fundraising and the rest on vacation and voting on crap they haven't even read and most aren't smart enough to understand it if they did read it. They are puppets and nothing more, and if you are on either team you sir are an IDIOT.

October 30, 2011 at 10:12 p.m.
carlB said...

JonRoss said... Carlb, you know what would happen if Obama mandated that Americans could only buy goods and services made in America ? There would be a really big kerflufful around the world. Think of this. What if we passed a law and required everything bought and sold in the city limits of Chattanooga be made in the city limits of Chattanooga.


JonRoss, Some where you seem to be missing the point of where the jobs and the money goes if the goods are manufactured outside the USA. Even with the "foreign implants" there are jobs created but some of the money spent to purchase the goods, enters the global corporations' funds. Are you for a balanced trade deficit with the global corporate monopolies having their brand named goods made outside the United States Of America? Remember that some of these global companies were manufacturing fully in the USA at one time. It the USA continued on the trend path of increasing unemployment caused by the global economy and the people who used to buy the imported goods, now do not have money to buy any goods regardless of where they are made. Do you think this Republic would be in another great depression? Give me another one of your scenarios.

October 30, 2011 at 10:46 p.m.
DarkSky said...

Funny cartoon. Boehner is a sensitive guy(with all the crying). Norman Bates seemed the same way until the stabbing began. The evil is up on the hill watching, waiting.

Sidenote--- Why do you think it's all closed door meetings in the Super Committee for deficit/budget talks? Is it top secret? Something the enemy(us) shouldn't know about? The American people are going to get screwed again, by both parties.

October 30, 2011 at 11:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

These post place a lot of blame but fail to detail any solutions. How will the American manufacturing base improve?

October 30, 2011 at 11:43 p.m.
carlB said...

tderng said... carlB...total world population expected to reach 7 billion tomorrow.But I know what you meant.However,I do remember the left doing everything in their power to thwart everything Bush did.But that was done by the left so I guess it was ok.Bush was treated 100 times worse than Obama is,mostly because anytime someone goes against Obama its called racism and way too many on the right are terrified of being called racist even if their motivation has nothing to do with race.


tderng, Yes, I heard the 7 billion today. When Bush W. was selected to be President for his first term, the conditions of this country were a lot different then than when Obama took office on January 20, 2009. My opinion is, the Republicans completely "screwed up" the country and When Obama took office there were too many unfinished crisis issues left by the Bush administration that had to be dealt with by the Obama administration to prevent this Republic from falling apart and the Republicans opposed Obama's policies, hindering the recovery of the 2007 deep recession. The differences in the two conditions would be like comparing "paradise" to "hell." I cannot agree with you about Bush W. being treated "100 times worse than Obama" There is such a thing as judging what is right and what is wrong and the actions taken by the Cheney/Bush W. adminnistration to get this country into the situations they got it into.
I believe people understand when racism is used in a negative slanderous uncalled action. If you want to refresh your memory the are plenty of videos showing all of the misleading information by Bush W.

October 31, 2011 at 12:08 a.m.
alprova said...

onetinsoldier wrote: *"The left didn't do nearly enough to thwart that idiot bush or his daddy or regan, or for that matter clinton, he signed the repugnant bill to allow the banks to play casino.""

Clinton signed the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act of 1999 because he had to. It was passed with a two-thirds majority in both Houses. He could not veto it.

October 31, 2011 at 6:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Say it ain't so, Herman!

October 31, 2011 at 7:34 a.m.
davisss13 said...

I see a civil person is trying to school the rightwingers in the truth but they will have none of it.

(shakes head)

The Republican party will settle for nothing less than the destruction of the United States so their corporate backers can step in and 'save us' and rule with an iron fist for the 'good of the country'.

It doesn't matter how much evidence you present, they will never acknowledge the corporate elite Koch brothers or the GOP's actual goals.

As far as I'm concerned trying to convince these lying propagandists is a waste of time and effort. So I vote against every single GOPer from the bottom of the ticket to the top.

They've certainly assured I will never support one of those 'patriots' again.

October 31, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett sucks. He is a mindless partisan hack that is not worth the electricity it takes to display his work on a reader's monitor.

October 31, 2011 at 10:02 a.m.
lumpy said...

Daviss13, you're quite simply an idiot. Obama and the Democrat Party are completely in bed with "corporate elites". To deny that is just ignorant. Obama spends the majority of his time collecting money, rubbing elbows and fundraising with the very people and groups you're condeming Republicans for having relationships with.

Obama was "ready to rule" from day one and hell bent on taking this country in a socialist/statist direction no matter what. Even if it meant an eternity of debt. He wants the destruction of the United States as we know it. 3 years of his crap backs me up on it.

You're a fool. this country

October 31, 2011 at 10:55 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Here is one good example that President Obama is not caving to the wishes of those doners you mention lumpy, and against the wishes of republicans to continue with their own pay to play tactics:

http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-citizens-united

Our GDP is also back to pre-recession levels and still heading in the right direction, which is the opposite of the direction it was going in the previous administration. Yet some with their heads in the sand still seem to believe the economic problems all started this administration?

October 31, 2011 at 11:08 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Bennett sucks. He is a mindless partisan hack that is not worth the electricity it takes to display his work on a reader's monitor.

Yee haw?

October 31, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

mntl posted.....

Our GDP is also back to pre-recession levels and still heading in the right direction, which is the opposite of the direction it was going in the previous administration. Yet some with their heads in the sand still seem to believe the economic problems all started this administration?

Are you suggesting that Pelosi as speaker and controller of the spending purse strings enabled tanking of the economy? Are you implying that a republican led congress has brought the GDP back to prior levels?

October 31, 2011 at 11:31 a.m.
davisss13 said...

He wants the destruction of the United States as we know it.

Obama is certainly not perfect and has disappointed me in many ways but you seem to gloss right over what the GOP wants.

The GOP is obviously bought by big business/wealthy elite and are actively trying to undermine worker rights, human rights and civil rights in this country. LOOK AT THEIR PROPOSED LEGISLATION. They want to return us to the 1800s where workers were powerless and the robber barons could do as they please.

You go ahead and worship the rich, I'm for We the People, THE WORKING MAN, not We the Corporations.

October 31, 2011 at 11:34 a.m.
davisss13 said...

I swear, every forum I visit is infested with lying Republican trolls. It doesn't even matter if someone produces evidence proving y'all wrong you just ignore it and repeat rightwing idiocy.

October 31, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

How will the lost social security funding created by the "tax holiday" be recovered? An increasing number receiving with fewer contributors at a reduced rate is short term popular but a long term recipe for disaster.

October 31, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
mtngrl said...

harp questioned: "Are you suggesting that Pelosi as speaker and controller of the spending purse strings enabled tanking of the economy?"

I only suggested it started prior to Obama taking office. There have been many discussions on what enabled the tanking of the economy here and I do not see either side ever agreeing on who gets the majority of the blame, even though both sides had a hand in it. I think it is more important to know the truth and keep it from happening again than what folks are currently doing.

"Are you implying that a republican led congress has brought the GDP back to prior levels?"

I am not implying that at all. In fact the Joint Economic Committee in congress says it is due to the stimulus the right tries to demonize Obama for:

http://jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=GDP&ContentRecord_id=1c04644b-2ac4-4596-9efa-17247a6a84f5&ContentType_id=2206321f-9e59-4f98-b972-d78c64abf642&Group_id=c63b3413-c9ec-4c48-9a8e-6a4a11cf9d44

October 31, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
DarkSky said...

Lumpy, both parties are in bed with corporate elites.

October 31, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
acerigger said...

CarlB, I hate to say "I told you so" but,,,, the haters will hate,the fearful will fear,and the wingers will wallow in (willful)ignorance.

October 31, 2011 at 12:29 p.m.
lumpy said...

That's right, DarkSky. That's my point. I've stated it over and over before. It's hypocritical for Obama, and his wife, as a matter of fact, to attack Republicans for that when they're in with the elites

Don't waste your time mtngrl. To try and claim that Obama is above all that and doesn't cave is a true waste of time. That's basically what he is and what he does. You Democrats thought you had a regular guy in there. Nothing could be further from the truth. He's very much an elitest.

October 31, 2011 at 12:34 p.m.
Rufus_T_Firefly said...

Projecting a tad are you limpy.

October 31, 2011 at 12:57 p.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett sucks. He is a mindless partisan hack that is not worth the electricity it takes to display his work on a reader's monitor.

But, apparently worth the electrons that it takes to display his work on your monitor and the additional electrons it takes for you to post replies and to read and respond to the replies of others.

October 31, 2011 at 1:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Say it ain't so, Herman!

October 31, 2011 at 6:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

mntl...

Would you classify politicususa a liberal site expressing their own opinions in support of their own ideology? Any idea where their financial support comes from. The link to AFP is obviously a Kock supported although not financed. AFP supports the tea group but does not provide financial support to any of the 100s of independent groups. The tea groups have different but similar statements of objectives. They will diminish over time because they do not have central leadership.

People need to not forget China is a communist country. Also, to suggest we are a free market capitialism country is a joke.

October 31, 2011 at 7:10 p.m.
tderng said...

but harp3339,its a socialist utopia!Everyone is equal!Its wonderful there,just like in Cuba.No one ever tries to leave the socialist utopia of Cuba!

October 31, 2011 at 9:48 p.m.

why thets a Demon-critt up thar on tha Hill inn tha Darkk Howse

why thets tha mrBait-nett mowtell an thets his skeery moozick aplayin on tha booob toob

why thets moonybats mooon in tha ski an thets tha vakent syne inn dudbuds hed an thets tha ice fer carlbees vaynes an thets won darkk nite wit awl tha lites Left-on

why Stoopid is as Stoopid duz

October 31, 2011 at 10:51 p.m.
carlB said...

Reply to huckleberryfriend: You and the others who are against President Obama cannot change the facts that He was elected as President of these UNited States and has fought while "suckering in" his enemiea in preventing another great depression while keeping the US Government operating in a time period while the Republicans have threathened to shut our goverment down. No, you cannot change the facts but you revert to your tactic of trying to "kill the messager." Some time it works and this time it will not work.

October 31, 2011 at 11:36 p.m.
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