published Thursday, April 5th, 2012

The Good Deed

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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John_Proctor said...

ROTFLMAO, Clay. Good one!

April 5, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

You jest Clay. Ryan wants to kill as many as possible at one time and would never take the time to kill them one at a time. He's more the Walter Rauff type. Same party affliation.

April 5, 2012 at 12:20 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

NOT ROBIN HOOD

This cartoon could have included Mitt Romney, dressed as a creepy Scout Leader, on the ladies other arm since he thinks Ryan's plan is marvelous.

Cutting taxes on the rich (yawn) and gutting Medicare and Social Security may be ideologically necessary to placate the republican base, but it's no way to run a successful national campaign.

Romney will soon have an opportunity to also explain to voters why he wants to pay for tax cuts on rich guys like himself by raising taxes on working families.

Trickle donw economics with a twist...

April 5, 2012 at 12:43 a.m.
ibshame said...

Wingnuts will surely freak out when they see this one later on today. LOL The only person missing in this cartoon is Romney on the other side of this poor lady since he 'WHOLEHEARTEDLY' supports the Ryan plan and plans to use it if he manages to get elected in the fall.

April 5, 2012 at 12:44 a.m.
ibshame said...

"blackwater48 said... NOT ROBIN HOOD

This cartoon could have included Mitt Romney, dressed as a creepy Scout Leader, on the ladies other arm since he thinks Ryan's plan is marvelous."

LOL you and I think alike on this one. According to Joe Scarborough yesterday morning on "Morning Joe" no one in the REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT thinks Romney is going to win in the fall so if his own people feel that way it is highly unlikely Romney will ever get the chance to implement Ryan's plan.

April 5, 2012 at 12:48 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

A LIE IS A LIE

PolitiFact's reasoning when it 'debunked' the notion that republicans were going to KILL MEDICARE was that there would still be a program called Medicare.

But if you dramatically change something and yet still call it by its old name is it really the same?

A few years ago the Coca-Cola Corporation decided to replace the old Coke formula with a new one. The Company called the new soft drink Coca-Cola but it was drastically different. Consumers were outraged and said that the Company had killed Coke, but PolitiFact would have rated those claims pants on fire because clearly Coca-Cola was still bottling a carbonated beverage which they called Coke.

Look, Ryan wants to curtail the rising cost by competition and vouchers, but the program known as Medicare will be dead to people who today are 55 and younger. It will no longer be with us.

I think Ryan dreams of the day when he can stand triumphant over the rotting hulk of a social safety net no longer with us. I imagine he has a speech already written. When that day comes it will probably sound like something Monty Python might have said, so just substitute the word 'Medicare' or 'Program' for parrot:

This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

But republicans will still call it Medicare.

April 5, 2012 at 1:50 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

SHE'S A VERY BUSY GIRL

Oh, goody, TQ is up late again chumming the waters.

Hurry off now. You need your beauty sleep.

But please don't accuse democrats, liberals, or progressives of 'diversion.'

Karl Rove, Lee Atwater, George Bush, et.al., wrote the book, which you obviously flipped through once or twice at the beauty parlor.

April 5, 2012 at 1:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

Medical taxes on income and premiums for medicare cover approximately 60% of medicare claims with the balance paid with borrowed money. Too many people refuse to face reality, the truth is too uncomfortable and certainly won't win an election. Both parties are so compromised a viable solution is not likely to come from either. Any solution that addresses the medicare revenue deficit, including Ryan's, is uncomfortable for those that refuse to acknowledge the facts. Social security, an antique, is currently not in deficit but faces the same problem in less than 20 years. LBJ contributed to the confusion and suspicion when he moved social security and medicare funding and accounting to the general budget. Bush made it worse with his unfunded prescription coverage.

April 5, 2012 at 3:17 a.m.
hambone said...

Paul Ryan will be the death of the GOP! Not Medicare!

April 5, 2012 at 4:36 a.m.
joneses said...

So the socialist think the best alternative is do to nothing and continue with massive debt leading the country to bankruptcy and a much worst depression than we have ever seen. Where is the dummycrat plan? Where is obastards plan? Obastard had a plan and his own democrat senate did not even pass it. It was that bad. Clay you are just another liberal fool.

April 5, 2012 at 5:40 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

We don't have a plan but we don't like yours, Tim Geitner (D) told Republicans. What Ds are doing is let Grammaw walk into the manhole, or off the cliff. Ryan at least sees that there's a problem, and offers some kind of solution: keep things the same for those 55 and up--save granny (Mr Bennett, the father of lies has a lousy retirement plan. Repent.) Let the next generation seek a variety of solutions instead of a one-size-fits-all monstrosity.

April 5, 2012 at 5:53 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said...So the socialist think the best alternative is do to nothing and continue with massive debt leading the country to bankruptcy and a much worst depression than we have ever seen.

Joneses - I don't know who the socialists are that you are talking about.

Democrats understand that there is a problem and they have expressed interest in fixing it. However, Democrats also understand that the solution space does not include turning Social Security and Medicare into cash cows for corporate America at the expense of the people who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of these programs.

April 5, 2012 at 6 a.m.
joneses said...

mt john,

You and all your other liberal fools are the socialist as you believe in complete government control of oil, health care, automobile manufacturing and other aspects of our lives. I think it is disgusting you socialist use scare tactics on the elderly and the children. Remember when Pelosi said if the Ryan bill passes 80,000 elderly will be homeless? Remember when Harry Reid said if the Paul Ryn plan passes 20,000 children will die? This is what you support. You also support this fool of a president never having a budget. The stupid ass socialist democrats did not even pass a budget when they had the house, senate and the white house. Apparently it is okay with you for the out of control spending to continue as apparently you think it healthy for this president to spend 6 trillion dollars in 4 years with nothing to show for it. Are you that stupid? Obastard campaigned he was going to cut the debt in half? He doubled the debt. Why does obastard lying to you not piss you off? Are you and all the other pathetic Kool Aid drinking foolish liberals that mesmerized by this fool? You and your liberal friends have been brainwashed by the main stream liberal media or you are just plain stupid.

April 5, 2012 at 6:37 a.m.
joneses said...

Paul Ryan has proposed a fair solution. Obastard has not proposed nothing but raising the price of gas, unemployment, debt, and other rediculous failures. I just heard that gas will go to $8.00 per gallon by the end of obastards second term if you pathetic disgusting Kool Aid drinking liberals reelect him. Is this what you foolish liberals want? Are you actually for paralyzing the country?

April 5, 2012 at 6:55 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Joneses - out of control spending for health care in this country is not ok with me. If we really want to solve that problem, we have to identify the cause and I would suggest that the root source is greed. We do not have a system of health care in this country - we have a health industry in which it is more important to generate profits for wealthy entrepreneurs than it is to efficiently and effectively deliver health care. Medicare is a victim in the middle of the larger system that is seriously flawed. We can't fix that larger system with larger doses of the greed that caused it in the first place.

Also, please note that I have disagreed with you without using foul language; without calling you names; and, without using epithets for the politicians with whom you agree. Why can't you do the same?

April 5, 2012 at 6:59 a.m.
shifarobe said...

This is what happens when someone tries to tackle a problem head on. OBOOB is the pied piper of the ignorant and those who don't want to face reality. Ryan, Scott Walker or anyone else who attempts to do the math is being crucified. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB people led by a DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, LAZY, CORRUPT PRESIDENT. OBOOB loves a good party on the public dime and his followers feel the same way. WHO GIVES A CRAP WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM, PARTY ON MORONS.

April 5, 2012 at 7:05 a.m.
joneses said...

I agree the health care system needs to change. It can change without obaastardcare's goal of the government's take over of the health care industry to control the masses. Obastard does not care about the well being of anyone but him and his socialist agenda.

Why can I not disagree with you without calling you names and using epithets? It is beacuse I am that pissed at how you liberals spread your lies with the sole purpose of destroying this country and feeding the entitlement mentallity. And I also hate this fool you support as president and your messiah. That is why and I will fight for this country here or on the battlefield. It is my sworn duty.

April 5, 2012 at 7:14 a.m.
rick1 said...

Here is the Democrats plan:

“We do not need to bring a budget to the floor this year it’s done, we don’t need to do it.” Harry Reid February 2012

"The fact is, you don’t need a budget. We can adopt appropriations bills. We can adopt authorization policies without a budget. We already have an agreed-upon cap on spending. Steny Hoyer March 2012

This is the leadership by the Democracts, keep kicking the can down the road call the Republicans obstructionists and continue to use scare tactics.

April 5, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
joneses said...

If obastards health care plan is so great why did he exempt himself, his family, congress, the autoworkers union, citizens of Nebraska, the Supreme Court Justices and all federal employees? I know why. What he thinks is good for you and I is not good for him.

April 5, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
shifarobe said...

By the time the election rolls around, and after a few months of continuously rising gas and food prices, and toss in few lavish vacay's by the OBOOBS while the rest of us can't afford one, it'll be pretty damn easy to vote for someone else. No matter who they are! Nobody inspires hammer wielding teens, illegal aliens, racists and leeches like OBOOB!

April 5, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
EaTn said...

Yesterday I read that nine medical associations representing over a quarter million providers have come up 45 tests that are sometimes overused and are driving up the cost of health care in this country. You can view a summary of this finding on the following link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46950533/ns/health-cancer/?ocid=ansmsnbc11

April 5, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
joneses said...

I will trust my doctor to decide what test I need versus obastard or one of his pathetic communist friends.

April 5, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
BlueDawn said...

All I can say is GOOD ONE Clay! .....and....

ROFL @ Blackwater and high fives!!

April 5, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
chet123 said...

POOR SHIFAROBE!....POORRRRR JONESES!.....WHINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I WANT MY PACIFIER..WHINEEEEEEEEEEEEE! GOO!GOO!GAA!GAA! WHINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!GOO!GOO!GAA!GAA! OBAMA FIGHT ME MAMA WHINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

April 5, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
potcat said...

Hey jonie, when it gets to $8 a gallon, you and all the Hummer, SUV GasHogs will just have to eat it and because of your kind so will I. the Automobile Industry keeps making them and you fools buy them, for a couple numbnuts to go to the store. A hummer is a Military jeep, humvie all terrain transport. Your kind will eventuly come around and support a must have Energy plan that works, like trains, buses and auto's ETC. that don't take no damn OIL to run it, it will happen for the 7 Billion to survive, We WIll EVOLVE. The Auto industry are still making these huge GasHogs and you fools buy them for a coulpe of numbnuts to go to the store for a gallon of milk and a fill for that EyeSore,better have a $100 with you, make that $200, you might have the munchies and need a couple honey buns.

April 5, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
chet123 said...

THIS IS HOW JONESES AND SHIFAROBE BEGINNING TO SOUND! HA HA HA HA

HOJSJSFHREOFJFJUEJUEHFHHELPPPPPPPPPP!NFEKJGHEKFFKOBAMALFHEHBDHDHDHJOBAMA!

HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

April 5, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So ridiculous it is not even worth discussion.

The Wart is just another element of the democrat propaganda machine spreading lies and mischaracterization of their opposition.

Pathetic excuse for humanity.

April 5, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Good one Clay! Very appropriate.

April 5, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Thank you posters who are sticking up for my fellow Wisconsinite Rep. Paul Ryan. The above posted fact checks are all right on. NOTHING CHANGES FOR PEOPLE 55 AND OVER. (The CAPS are for CHET and Clay, both of whom have totally disregarded the facts) The lady that is in the cartoon is definitely over 55 years old, so this cartoon is a total lie. Get use to this sock puppet reporting by the media who are the water bucket carriers for the far left leaning current Democratic Party. Oblamea has nothing to run on so all he can do is use this type of scare tactics to get elected. All the current far left Democratic Party are trying to do is create a permanent low class of people just to get votes, lock them in, and also create a social welfare state. How despicable of them and posters on here can’t see this coming.

Lao Tzu: Father of Taoism “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.”

April 5, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
chet123 said...

HELLO FELLOW POSTERS...IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING FUNNY THEN REFER BACK TO MARCH 25 2012,CLAY BENNETT CARTOON "THE TEXT"...YOU WILL SEE JONESES PHILOSOPHYING ON RELIGION AND GOD.....GIVING HIS TESTIMONY ON GOD....THIS IS THE SAME OBAMA HATER THAT GET UP EARLY IN THE MORNING 7DAYS A WEEK WITH HATE HA HA HA HA HA

I BELEIVE THIS FOOL IS A SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHER HA HA HA HA HA

NOW YOU KNOW WHY THE CHURCH IS IN A SPRITUAL CRISIS....THEY HAVE ABANDON THE TRUE TEACHING OF CHRIST.....THIS IS WHY A THEOCRACY GOVERNMENT IS TO BE FEARED...IT WILL DESTOY THIS COUNTRY....IT WILL OPERATE LIKE THE TALIBAN

HA HA HA HA....YOU GOT TO SEE JONESES!!!! THIS OLD MAN IS CRAZY HA HA HA

April 5, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.

John_Proctor wins the lap dog award today. Good work John!

BobMKE, why try to reason with the bed wetters? Their news sources are comics and comedians.

The white hot spotlight will soon be on Obama's record.

April 5, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said...Why can I not disagree with you without calling you names and using epithets? It is beacuse I am that pissed at how you liberals spread your lies with the sole purpose of destroying this country and feeding the entitlement mentallity.

Joneses - you are responsible for you own behavior and your childish postings compromise the credibility of everything that you have to say.

April 5, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BobMKE said...Lao Tzu: Father of Taoism “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.”

Indeed, BobMKE. And, we have arrived at where we are as a consequence of greed. Capitulating to more greed will not dig us out of this hole.

April 5, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
chet123 said...

NOW BOBMIKE DID YOU MENTION MY NAME.....

HEY BUDDY....YOU ARE A RETIRED LAW ENFORCER....I WOULD SAY YOU ARE A CHILD OF A WORLD WARII VETERAN....YOU BENEFITED FROM THE SAFRIFICE THE MEN OF THE GREATEST GENERATION....WHO MADE SURE AMERICA DIDNT SELL OUT....YOU WERE AFFORDED GOOD MANUFACTURING JOBS...CHEAP GAS...GOOD BENEFITS.....YOUR DAD PROBABLY BENEFITED THE GI BILL...GI LOAN....AND MANY OTHER SAFE GUARD THAT HELP TO CREATE A MIDDLE-CLASS....ALSO THERE WAS A STRONG PRESENCE OF LABOR UNIONS

SO YOU THINK YOU GOING TO BURN DOWN THE SAME BRIDGE YOU USE TO CROSS FOR THE GENERATION BEHIND YOU....THIS WHAT YOU THINK OF YOUR GRAND-CHILDREN....

PAUL RYAN MAY BE A GOOD GUY BUT HE IS A TOOL FOR THE RICH AND GREEDY....HE IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE 1%.....NOTICE THESE GUY ARE ALL COVERED BY GOVERNMENT PAID HEALTH INSURANSE.....ALL OF THEM....THEY CAN PICK ANY INSURANCE COMPANY THEY WISH.....

ALSO THE REPUBLICAN CREDIBILITY IS SHOT....NOONE BELEIVE THEM...BUT THE HATERS....AND THAT BECAUSE A MAN WITH HATE CANT THINK CLEARLY....HA HA HA HA

April 5, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
chet123 said...

BOBMIKE....BY THE WAY MOST OF THE GREATEST GENERATION WERE DEMOCRATS.....DEMOCRATS BUDDY....WHY IS IT A CORELATION WITH THE RISE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE DECLINE OF MIDDLE-CLASS...AND THE BIG INCOME SPIKE OF THE 1%.. Hmmmmmm???

ARE YOU SO STUPID TO THINK THIS IS COINCIDENTAL...SURELY YOU ARE NOT THAT DUMB....

YEP....JUST MARCH BEHIND YOUR BUDDY PAUL RYAN.....DONT THIS YOU ARE NOT VUNERABLE....YOU WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT..DONT BE STUPID MY MAN!!!!

April 5, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...Neither will surrendering our freedom as it will only get the dirt thrown in on top of us.

TQ - given the choice, I would prefer to "surrender my freedom" to solutions intended to work best for the interests of all Americans rather than surrender my freedom to those with the most powerful, irrespective of the consequences to the rest of our citizens.

April 5, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Chet123 = stupidity abides.

Chet123 = Clay123 HAHAHAHA

April 5, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Your description of the dirty deed is perfect, Clay Bennett. Representative Ryan and his Republican cohorts like presidential wannabe Mitt Romney have no shame. . . And needless to say, as America’s elderly Medicare beneficiaries fall down Representative Ryan's dark designer manhole, the healthcare industry will benefit from a windfall.

April 5, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hey Chet123: I don't hear any denials. (no, not a river in Egypt)

April 5, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...Just as you do I also have lofty ideals.

Given the choice, I would rather read a book to all the world’s children rather that throw the Earth off its axis and have it hurdle into the sun and burn all the hair off the little ankle bitters.

...and, if that post is any indication, your ideals do not connect with reality.

This country has several centuries of experience with free-market capitalism. Free-market capitalism gave us slavery that persisted through the middle of the 20th Century. It gave us child labor and indentured service. It gave us multiple iterations of the Tea Pot dome scandal. It gave us Jack Abramoff and the garment industry in the Mariana Islands. It gave us the K Street Project. And, it gave us a Medicare Part D that works a lot better for the pharmaceutical industry than for patients who rely on the prescription drug benefit.

Free market capitalism also gave us deregulation of the media and an FCC bought and paid for by Rupert Murdoch et al. Those of you who mainline the crack coming from the Fox Network and Clear Channel have no business criticizing others for drinking the KoolAid or for peddling falsehoods and propaganda!

Equal opportunity for everyone is a cornerstone principle of our Constitution. Free market capitalism has "succeeded" because it has taken opportunity away from the majority of our society. I have no intention of surrendering my freedom to that kind of greed. And, as a tax-paying veteran of a foreign war, I expect my government to stand with me in opposing the evil within.

April 5, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
shifarobe said...

The Democratic Party, the party of choice of hammer wielding black teens, illegal aliens, skanky hoes who want others to pay for contraception, public deficaters, leeches, black racists, asian american haters, potheads, abortion lovers, the lazy, black panthers, terrorists, Jew haters, christian haters, haters of the first Amendment, and the entitlement class. Ryan should be president, OBOOB should be washing out the bathrooms at McDonald's

April 5, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BobMKE said: “All the current far left Democratic Party are trying to do is create a permanent low class of people . . . How despicable of them and posters on here can’t see this coming.”

Like Representative Ryan, I believe you speak with forked tongue, BobMKE.

Clearly, the math behind Representative Ryan’s devious proposal shows it’s the Republican Party and over indulged billionaires like Mitt Romney that are trying to create a permanent low economic class of people in America – and a rather large one I might add.

Under Representative Ryan’s designer plan the amount that Medicare beneficiaries will have to pay increases as they age. Since income usually falls with age, this means a Medicare package will become completely unaffordable for huge sectors of our population rather quickly.

April 5, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.
limric said...

Poor ‘Conservative and Shifarobe’, I’m sure they believe those that brought us tales of the "War on Christmas", the “War on Christianity”, "Honolulu is a city in Kenya" or Obama wants to wreck America with his socialist agenda envisions with certainty the following.

If, as they and Sean Hannity believe, Obama is coronated emperor, he will change the "Pledge of Allegiance" to an internationalist (commie if you please) revision shown below.

With ACORN thugs pointing guns (AK’s of course) in the air accompanied by the loud throbbing of third world drumbeats as background music (C’mon, you guys are picturing leaping Masai warriors aren’t you) – it begins: I pledge allegiance to the fags of the OBAMIFIED States of Americkenya, and to the Islamic republic for which it stands, one nation, balkanized by affirmative action, under Allah and atheist Marxism, with Sharia and mandatory gay marriage for all.

This new Obama pledge says nothing that leading Repulicrook candidates and leading “righty intellectuals" (oxymoron?) have not, in so many words, already said.

When you guys come up with alternatives to returning economic prosperity and honor to this country other than tax cuts or, tax cuts - give America a call. Cause ALL of conservative ideas so far have…hmm wait, there aren’t any are there.

April 5, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Chet & M/L

Chet you are spot on about me being the son of the Greatest generation. Also being a union member. (See, I acknowledge correct/true postings) I also know, what can’t last forever, won’t. Hilter got us out of the depression and FDR created agencies that are still with us today at great taxpayers expense. FDR was a Statist and not a Democrat in the true sense of the word. Please remember this, when Oblamea talks about the middle class he is referring to the UNION MEMBER MIDDLE CLASS. (Caps used so you become aware of this. The other middle class are and will get hit harder by OB’s policies. See my chart that I submitted during the last topic. Ryan’s plan has only two tax rates. 10% and 25%. You made this, give us this. He closes all of the “corporate loop holes. (His words) Chet and M/L the above posters have the sites above that prove you. M/L and Clay are totally wrong. Use your common sense and check them out and you will see. Quit being stubborn. Both parties have good ideas but can’t get together to advance this Country. I would never vote for a person who say, “if they want this, then I want the opposite.” The elected person best serves his people by putting their Country first.

April 5, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
timbo said...

Hey liberals, you are right...the Ryan plan is wrong for the country. The problem is it is not radical enough, it doesn't cut enough, and paying down the debt is too slow.

How much money do you guys want from me? Give me a number so I can plan for it. Would you be happy if I could only keep 40%, 30%, of what I make? What is enough? Should I just give the government all my money and let them decide how much to send back?

You can tax the rich everything they have and it would not eliminate the debt. Obama increased the debt by more than all the other presidents combined in history in 3 years. Even you liberals should be able to add and subtract.

Wanna talk about fairness? How fair is it that I risk my money, spend 70 hours a week, to start a business that hires you imbeciles where you can send money to Obama and while people sit around at home and do nothing but sucking off the government?

Fairness works both ways and the producers in the country deserve more when they produce more. I know it doesn't fit in your socialist utopia but that is the essence of fairness. Those who work harder and smarter make more money.

Also, the Great and Powerful Obama called it social Darwinism. Most of you liberals believe in biological Darwinism so the same principals apply economically. We can't continue to support able-bodied people whose main mission in life is to have sex and drop out babies.

The country you guys promote is not one that I want to live in. It is not the one the founders wanted and it will just make us another little cog in the big world order. No thanks.

April 5, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Timbo

Great post. Keep them coming.

April 5, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BobMKE, your devisive poltical rhetoric about Hitler, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and America's unions strongly suggests that you belong to the radically conservative John Bircher political sect that once called President Dwight Eisenhower a communist.

As for your chart, I’ve seen the CBO's analysis of Representaive Ryan’s plan for the future and the bottom line is that Representative Ryan's proposal does, indeed, push America’s elderly down a dark manhole as Clay Bennett so aptly points out in today’s political cartoon.

April 5, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...It is very rare that Fleabagging Libtards so clearly exposes their real thoughts on how they really valve the exchange of ideas in a free society.

TQ - even if I might not agree with it, I'd welcome your ideas. When do you intend to post one?

April 5, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: "the producers in the country deserve more when they produce more."

We hear you, Timbo. Spoken like a true advocate for an oligarchy of the wealthy.

April 5, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Shifarobe said: "Ryan should be president, OBOOB should be washing out the bathrooms at McDonald's."

We hear you, Shifarobe. Spoken like a true advocate for an oligarchy of the wealthy.

April 5, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel and MTJohn...A reasonable question is in addition to taxing the heck out of those with an annual income over $150,000 and reducing taxes for those with incomes under $150,000 how would you correct the Medicare deficits without significant increases in payroll medical taxes and medicare premiums. Q...Have you attempted to read the 2700 pages of the AHCA or do you trust others to educate you on it that also haven't read it.

April 5, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: "how would you correct the Medicare deficits without significant increases in payroll medical taxes and medicare premiums."

You and I both know that these Medicare deficits are primarily driven by the projections of America’s exploding private sector healthcare costs, Harp3339. Nothing will change until we take some serious steps toward controlling these out of control costs.

Personally, I think we should do what every major industrialized Nation has already done and establish a universal healthcare system. The per-person cost of health care across Europe is far less than it is in the United States. In fact, I’ve read that our per-person costs are more than 50 percent higher than the U.K and France, and more that 80 percent higher than Germany.

April 5, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said...A reasonable question is in addition to taxing the heck out of those with an annual income over $150,000 and reducing taxes for those with incomes under $150,000 how would you correct the Medicare deficits without significant increases in payroll medical taxes and medicare premiums.

Harp - the first, and most important, step is to accept the reality that the problem is complex and cannot be solved as a partisan issue. We need a majority of lawmakers - from both sides of the aisle - to step up and put the good of the country well ahead of their political careers and focus on solving the problem.

Second, we need to recognize that "everything is connected to everything else", i.e. the problem with Medicare is not independent from problems with social security, problems with other social programs, the national debt, etc.

Third, while I do agree that taxes on those with annual incomes greater than $150,000 ought to be increased, I do not agree that taxes on those with incomes less than $150,000 ought to be reduced.

Fourth, I think we need to come to terms with the reality that there is not a good "free-market" solution for health care. We also need to come to terms with the reality that everyone of us will eventually die. From that perspective, I think we ought to think in terms of a single payer system (Medicare for everyone??) and a system of care that is focused on promoting wellness and prevention rather than a system that is focused on preventing death.

April 5, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
shifarobe said...

OBOOB is all about the "oligarchy of the wealthy". If you think he's not part of that, then you're ignorant, or pretty freakin' blind. His speeches are hollow and his promises are bull$%#@, and you know it. You only support him because you know he will punish those who don't have the same ideology that you both share. You're a fraud. Will OBOOB and MEchelle curtail their vacay schedule out of empathy for the rest of us who can't afford the high gas prices? No, he won't. He is about pleasing the wealthy, rubbing elbows with the right people and after leaving office becoming a very, very wealthy man. He is exactly what you accuse the GOP of being.

April 5, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
shifarobe said...

I heard an old white man in Toledo,OH was beaten by a few black teens who let him know it was payback for the Martin shooting. OBOOB, the pied piper of a$$*&%#. Sitting with his feet up in the oval office mute as the the hammer attacks and beatings take place. OBOOB, the anti-Martin Luther King Jr.

April 5, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: “If you are going to debate the subject at least address you points of argument to the relevant entities etc.” . . . ‘An excellent example of how the race card is losing its shock “valve etc.”. . . “that for insurance or for the actual provision of care etc.?”

It’s unfortunate the Republicans opted to waste the past three years doing nothing instead of doing something constructive like developing a potential healthcare plan. If they had not wasted the past three years, you might actually have had something positive to promote on this site instead of spewing meaningless rhetoric and playing mindless word games, which, of course, does nothing to resolve the healthcare crisis in America.

April 5, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Timbo, 1:29pm 5 stars.

April 5, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
mymy said...

What we need is more government employees to waste our tax dollar. They are liberals dollars also, you fools.

Officials at the General Services Administration are captured on camera joking about the cost of a lavish $820,000 conference near Vegas and singing, 'I'll never be under OIG investigation.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/05/video-shows-officials-joking-about-cost-lavish-conference/#ixzz1rCtnlr55

April 5, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
chet123 said...

I'M BACK!!!!

WELL LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANY BITES!!!!

GREAT!!!!..I SEE SANTA CLAUS POSTED ME......THIS BOZO IS SO FUNNY...HE CANT PUT A PARAGRAPH TOGETHER...HE USUALLY POSTS 4 OR 5 WORDS THEN RUN...HA HA..WELL, MAYBE HE DIDNT FINISH HIGH SCHOOL....

HEY SANTA CLAUS!!!! WE HAVE MORE THAN 8 MONTHS BEFORE CHRISTMAS..HA HA HA...YOU TRUST TO PLACE YOUR SANTA CLAUS FACE ON HERE! HA HA HA...THIS GUY LOOK LIKE SANTA CLAUS! HA HA HA HA

April 5, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
davisss13 said...

Republicans are certifiably insane. Is there anyone they don't hate?

April 5, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
davisss13 said...

timbo said... The country you guys promote is not one that I want to live in. It is not the one the founders wanted and it will just make us another little cog in the big world order. No thanks.

Then get the eff out.

What's the matter wingnut? Rich not rich enough for ya? Does the working man still have too much power? Do minorities have too much of a voice? What's the matter degenerate, you GD corporate whores don't control all of the country with an iron fist?

Here's a clue for you GD 'patriots'... the country Republicans want is NOTHING like the founders envisioned. Iran would be more your speed.

April 5, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"Those guys are just like a booger you can’t fling. Ain’t they ??" -tu_quoque

Where does your superiority complex come from, when you post garbage like that? Do you find flatulence funny, also?

April 5, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
chet123 said...

WELL IF IT NOT BOBMIKE....BOBMIKE I WILL BE KIND TO YOU....GLAD YOU ACKNOWLEDGE BEING UNION.....I HAD FIGURED IT OUT....DIDNT THINK YOU WOULD BE HONEST....BUT YOU ARE HONEST....SO I'M GOING TO CUT YOU SOME SLACK.

NOT TO BE SARCASTIC BOBMIKE, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT YOU WATCH FOX NEWS ON A DAILY BASIS..BECAUSE WHEN GOOD PEOPLE SPEAK FROM THEIR HEART AS YOU HAVE WITH FLAWS SOLUTION PERTAINING TO THE ECONOMY IT USUALLY MEAN THEY ARE GETTING MISINFORMED..

THE SOLUTION IS MORE COMPLEX THAN WHAT YOU JUST PRESENTED BOB....SOME IMPORTANT THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW BOB.....

THERE ARE OVER 12,000 LOBBIST AS OF LAST JUNE....IN 2008 THERE WERE ABIUT 15,000 LOBBIST.....IN 2007 THERE WERE ALMOST 15,500...HOW MANY LOBBIST DO YOU HAVE BOBMIKE..Hmmmmm?

MOSTLY REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS......THEY SET THE AGANDA...NOT CONGRESS BOB....THEY HELP ELECT YOUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS......THEY GET WHAT WHEY WANT....NEARLY ALL OFTHEM ARE CORPORATION...THEY FINANCE ABOUT 90% OF CONGESS....FOX TV WONT TELL YOU THAT BOBMIKE...

UNDER BILL CLINTON OUR BUDGET WAS BALANCE...THERE WAS NO CRISIS!....WHAT HAPPEN BOB.....WHAT HAPPEN?????...BOB I WILL TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED.....THIS DEFICIT WAS MANUFACTURED BY THE REPUBLICAN....FIRST BY FIGHTING A WAR AND NOT PAYING FOR IT...GIVING MONEY AWAY WE COULDNT AFFORD TO DUE...NOW ALL THIS WAS DURING A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND REPUBLICAN CONGRESS...TRILLIONS WAS SPENT AND NOT PAID FOR.....WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA(AND I SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA..ONT JUST OBAMA)WAS TRYING TO BALANCE THE DEFICIT WITH A DEFICIT REDUCTION PLAN...THE PLAN INCLUDED CUTS DEPARTMENTS, BENEFITS AND PROGRAMS BUT TO ALSO INCREASE REVENUE HIS COUNTER-PART REFUSE TO NOT TO INCREASE AND REPUBLICAN CALL FOR ZERO TAX INCREASE(EVEN REAGAN HAD TO INCREASE REVENUE)..THEY BLACK-MAIL THE PRESIDENT WITH A DEFAULT...IT WAS THEN EVEN I CAME TO CONCLUSION IT WAS WORTHLESS TALKING TO THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS...I THINK THE PRESIDENT WASTE TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO WORK A COMPROMISE WITH A PARTY WHO #1 INTEREST WERE TO SEE HIM A 1 TERM PRESIDENT....

April 5, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
yaffay said...

Pure genius, Clay.

April 5, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
chet123 said...

BUT OUR ECONOMY REAL DOWN SLIDE STARTED WITH "NAFTA" YES "NAFTA"...THATS NORTH AMERICA FREE TRADE AGREEMENTWHEN THE LOBBIST PERSUADED OUR POLITICIAN TO SEND OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS OVERSEAS,,,,WE LOST BILLIONS IN TAX REVENUE....THE MANUFACTURING JOBS ARE YOUR TAX BASE BOBMIKE....NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT,POLICE DEPARTMENT,TEACHERS,PRISON GUARDS,JUDGES,COLLEGES PROFESSORS,BANKERS,CENTER OF DISEASE CONTROL,POLITICIAN WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT PAY HEALTH INSURANCE AND EXPENSIVE PENSION..ALSO MILITARY(WHICH WE SPEND TRILLIONS ON PROTECTING THE WORLD....SECURING THE OIL THAT OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS DYING ON BATTLE FIELD AND FORIEGN LAND..WHILE EXXON/MOBLIE AND SHELL EXECUTIVE GET AS MUCH AS 400,000,000 IN ANNUALLY SALARY AND AWARD BONUSES NOT TO MENTION THE INVESTORS THAT PROFITS EVERYTIME GAS GOES UP A PENNY....ECT...THE TAX BASE IS YOUR MANUFACTURING JOBS.......I WILL REPEAT TO YOU BOBMIKE...AMERICA TAX BASE IS MANUFACTURING JOBS....THEY TAKE RAW MATERIALS AND MAKE THINGS BOBMIKE....THE POLITICIAN BETRAYED AMERICA WHEN THEY SENT OUR JOBS OVER SEAS......AND CHINA IS LAUGHING AT US FOR BEING A FOOL!...WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED.....AND TO SEE THESE POSTERS CLAIMING THAT AMERICA HAVE JUST WENT INTO A DECLINE 3YEARS AGO IS APPALLING....OBAMA WILL PULL THIS COUNTRY OUT OF THE HOLE AND CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE...OBAMA IS DRIVER BY HARD CORE AMERICAN LIKE ME BOBMIKE...PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GREEDY...BUT LOVE AMERICA..IF WE GIVE HIM A CHANCE AND CONGRESS DONT WORK AGAINST HIM.....THEY DONT EVEN HAVE TO WORK WITH HIM...JUST DONT WORK AGAINST HIM...!!!THIS COUNTRY WILL UNIFY AND CHART OUT A NEW COURSE....THIS IS WHAT SCARES THE RICH AND GREEDY TO DEATH!!

PS BOBMIKE,,,I'M NOT A TYPIST AND I DIDNT PROOF READ MY POST...SO BARE WITH ME!

April 5, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
chet123 said...

MYMY IS A FOOL.....THIS FOOL SEE THE GOVERNMENT(WE THE PEOPLE) AS THE ENEMY

BUT SEE BIG COPORATION(1%PER)AS HIS FRIEND AND EQUAL.....

THIS BOY IS A SICK PUPPY......

April 5, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
MTJohn said...

shifarobe said...

OBOOB is all about the "oligarchy of the wealthy".

I'm still trying to figure out how a guy can simultaneously be an oligarch and a socialist at the same time.

April 5, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.
chet123 said...

MYMY....UNUM INSURANCE HERE IN HICK-TOMN CHATTANOOGA PAID THAT MUCH FOR EMPLOYEE TRIP TO DISNEY....

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW YOU FOOL!

April 5, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
chet123 said...

WHAT AMERICA NEED TO BE CONCERN ABOUT IS "ALEC".....

April 5, 2012 at 11 p.m.
joneses said...

In February the President proposed a budget that not only fails to address the problem, but it would actually make it worse. It increases spending. It imposes a $2 trillion tax hike on individuals, small businesses, and corporations. It adds over $6 trillion to our national debt. It ignores the widely recognized fiscal challenges in Medicare and federal welfare programs. And it doubles down on the health care takeover enacted in 2010 that imposes Washington’s will over Americans’ health care decisions and saddles the country with more debt.

Paul Ryan's budget represents a different vision for the future of this country. It cuts spending by $187 billion in the first year and by $5.3 trillion over ten years, compared to the President’s budget. Instead of raising taxes, it ushers in comprehensive, pro-growth tax reform that cuts and aligns individual and corporate tax rates and eliminates special handouts from the overly complex tax code. It introduces consumer choice and competition to put Medicare back on a sustainable fiscal path while preserving seniors’ control over their health care decisions. It empowers states by converting funding for federal welfare programs and Medicaid into block grants. And it repeals the President’s ugly health care law entirely.

The Democrats in the Senate do not even support the president's budget.

Read more: http://www.americansforprosperity.org/032212-letter-support-paul-ryans-2013-budget-resolution#ixzz1rFaruatM

April 6, 2012 at 5:25 a.m.
joneses said...

As the economy continues to recover, it’s likely that the top 1% of income earners will likely pay an even higher percentage share of overall income taxes than 38%. If things were fair, they would only have to pay 20% of total income taxes since 20% is their share of total income. Alas, the rich pay almost double what they owe.

On the flip side, the bottom 50% who earn 12.75% of total earnings only pays a paltry 2.7% in total taxes. Inequality is wrong and we should treat everybody equally. Discrimination is not OK, just because you aren’t being discriminated against. The government should try to fix the imbalance by increasing the breadth of working Americans who pay taxes to 100% so that everybody pitches in. If all working Americans in the bottom 50% paid taxes, the 10% gap in what they should be paying should narrow.

It doesn’t makes sense if you are in the bottom 50% who isn’t paying their fair share of taxes to go after the top 50%, let alone the top 1% who are paying way more than their share of income. Trying to squeeze people even more when you’re not paying any taxes, or paying very little is a throwback to tyranny.

Always fight for equality. It will set us free!

April 6, 2012 at 6:16 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que said: “The Republican had plans and ideas to added but the Libtards declared that they were driving and for everybody else to get to the back of the bus. You Fleabaggers broke it so you will get the bill.”

I remember Republican Representative Boehner of Ohio proposing an alternative healthcare package in 2009, but as I recall there was an enormous flaw in the plan. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Republican plan would have only provided coverage to 3 million people, leaving 52 million uninsured, which in the big picture is not much of a plan, especially for the 52 million uninsured Americans.

Tu_quo_que said: “When Romney takes the Presidency and sanity returns to our political system we will be able to mend our healthcare system and not just junk it for political gain the way the Libtards did.”

I think this is wishful thinking on your part, Tu_quo_que. To date, the only things you really know about Mitt Romney are that he is a billionaire, he likes to fire people, he use to have a Swiss Bank account, he has off shore investments, he is not Rick Santorum, he is not Newt Gingrich, and he is proned to flip-flop on major political issues.

April 6, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
joneses said...

mt john,

You are responsible for your own stupidity and people with intelligence see you for the pathetic, blind, obastard worshiper you are. Because of your stupidity to follow this fool you support as your Messiah and your belief that more government control of all our lives is healthy, people see you for the fool you are.

April 6, 2012 at 7:10 a.m.
joneses said...

For you pathetic assuming liberals I do not own what you call a gas guzzler. I have a 4 cylinder Honda Accord I purchased to save money on gas. So much for that because this fool you support as president, obastard, is encouraging high gas prices by his failed energy policy. Because of obastards energy policies he is making the oil companies very wealthy. It is apparent obastard is actually for the oil companies because they are making higher record profits than they ever did when President Bush was in office. Think about it you pathetic, blind, Kool Aid drinking, brain washed, foolish liberals? Why did obastard not raise taxes on the oil companies when he had the cooperation of the House and Senate? Obastard is lying to all of us. The problem is you liberals are to stupid and blind to see that.

April 6, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said...mt john,

You are responsible for your own stupidity and people with intelligence see you for the pathetic, blind, obastard worshiper you are.

Joneses - coming from you, I take that as a complement. Thank you.

April 6, 2012 at 7:28 a.m.
joneses said...

mtjohn

That is the problem with you foolish liberals. You are proud of your own stupidity.

April 6, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Joneses - I would rather be proud of my stupidity than proud sharing your brand of intelligence.

You are a one-trick pony. All you know how to do is to play your broken record of insults and you don't even do that trick very well.

April 6, 2012 at 8:16 a.m.
joneses said...

Thanks for confirming just how stupid and blind you are and that you are proud of your stupidity and failures. You and obastard have something in common. You are both proud of your failures and that is the liberal way. Actually I am a very intelligent person and it is proven by me realizing obastard is the lying POS he is. I am intelligent enough to know he is a failure and that is more than I can say for you or any liberal POS.

April 6, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
WhitesCreek said...

It's tough to have a conversation with what passes for a conservative these days. Look, Politifact sold out, published its own lie, and forever lost credibility.

Medicare is a government program and manages the least expensive delivery of healthcare. It would be less expensive still if Republicans would get out of the way instead of continually passing bills to keep funneling money to their corporate masters, such as the one that bans negotiating prescription lower prices. The Ryan budget is a sham that turns this function over to private businesses whose motives will be for profit instead of delivering healthcare. Is Medicare socialist? Damn right it is and thank god for that. The USA is the only industrialized nation that doesn't have socialized health care management for ALL of its citizens. As a result we have the most expensive medicine on the planet and are ranked 34th from the top. The best system in the world is France, which costs half what we pay and covers every citizen in the country.

Under the Ryan plan, healthcare costs in this country will soon eat up 20% of our GDP, compared to 10% or less for every other nation, and we get crappy health care to boot. Call names and spew nastiness all you want, but nothing really matters except the result and Republicans can't give us even a whiff of a positive result on Health Care. Paul Ryan has his 78% government subsidized insurance as a Congressman but he would just as soon see us all pass away as do something good for all American citizens.

April 6, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
joneses said...

Whitescreek,

You are just another foolish liberal hypocrite. Here are the facts. By the way, you failed to mention that obastard and all of congress is exempt from the illegal obamacare as well as the citizens of Nebraska and the Socialist Auto Workers Union. The Democrats i the Senate did not even support obastards plan. That is how pathetic you and your Messiah are.

In February the President proposed a budget that not only fails to address the problem, but it would actually make it worse. It increases spending. It imposes a $2 trillion tax hike on individuals, small businesses, and corporations. It adds over $6 trillion to our national debt. It ignores the widely recognized fiscal challenges in Medicare and federal welfare programs. And it doubles down on the health care takeover enacted in 2010 that imposes Washington’s will over Americans’ health care decisions and saddles the country with more debt.

Paul Ryan's budget represents a different vision for the future of this country. It cuts spending by $187 billion in the first year and by $5.3 trillion over ten years, compared to the President’s budget. Instead of raising taxes, it ushers in comprehensive, pro-growth tax reform that cuts and aligns individual and corporate tax rates and eliminates special handouts from the overly complex tax code. It introduces consumer choice and competition to put Medicare back on a sustainable fiscal path while preserving seniors’ control over their health care decisions. It empowers states by converting funding for federal welfare programs and Medicaid into block grants. And it repeals the President’s ugly health care law entirely.

The Democrats in the Senate do not even support the president's budget.

Read more: http://www.americansforprosperity.org/032212-letter-support-paul-ryans-2013-budget-resolution#ixzz1rFaruatM

I call people what they are because I am pissed at how you and your pathetic agenda wants to destroy this country by making the presidents office a dictatorship. You might need government to control your life but I and my fellow believers of the American way of life do not. Clay Bennets cartoon is a lie. No one over 55 will be affected by Paul Ryan's plan. Your whole agenda is based on lies as depicted in Bennet's cartoon

April 6, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Anyone ever seen Clay Bennett and Keith Olbermann together? Didn't think so.

April 6, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
dude_abides said...

joneses... there are plenty of 4 cylinder American made cars out there, why did you buy a foreign car? I am shocked that someone cut from your political cloth (gingham) would do such a thing! Do you drive it to teabagging events? Maybe some of those dirty looks you get at traffic lights have nothing to do with that loud, home made gospel music you're playing on your stereo. On behalf of the American working man I'd like to say thanks, joneses, thanks alot. Maybe the Russians will come over here and start building houses on the graves of war heroes and you can buy one of them, too.

April 6, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
mymy said...

chet123 said... MYMY....UNUM INSURANCE HERE IN HICK-TOMN CHATTANOOGA PAID THAT MUCH FOR EMPLOYEE TRIP TO DISNEY.... THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW YOU FOOL! Chet, every time you open your mouth you show what a fool you are. Unum is a Fortune 500 business. You watch too much of the real Faux news. Wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you in the face.

http://www.unum.com/

April 6, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
joneses said...

dude,

Why did I not buy an American made car? Because they are over priced pieces of crap and a portion of any money I spend with Government Motors, Ford and Chrysler is donated to obastard so he can continue his agenda to destroy this country. I try my best to stay away from any union made crap. Maybe you can come to my house and sit on your stupid fat ass out front with one of those ridiculous signs saying "Shame on Joneses". Where do you people find those losers? Gospel music? I enjoy gospel bluegrass but then I enjoy all bluegrass. You have actually proven how stupid you are prick by thinking all conservatives are totally emerged in religion. You are just another atheist liberal fool who has not the balls God gave a jack rabbit. Have fun driving in your over priced POS government motors car. I have an appropriate idea for you. When your POS government motors car brakes down and you need a lift try sticking your government motors jack up your fat ass.

April 6, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Obama is beating Romney by 14 points. The only demographic he doesn't lead in is; UNEDUCATED WHITE MALES. Tutu, J Dennis, Joneses, Timbo, Shifarobe, Conservative ect.

April 6, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

OK, anyone ever seen Chet123 and Clay Bennett together? Hmmmm?

April 6, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Whitescreek said: “It's tough to have a conversation with what passes for a conservative these days.”

Sad but true, Whitescreek. I've concluded it’s because many of these conservative groups have their own radical agendas, which do not promote the general welfare of this Nation.

The neo-conservative sector wants perpetual wars until they finally become rulers of the universe; the radically conservative religious sector wants a fundamentalist Christian theocracy; the Tea Party and John Bircher sector essentially wants to abolish the U.S. government; and the billionaire wealthiest 1% sector wants a fascist Corporatocracy.

Indeed, it’s not difficult to understand why some of these Chinese scholars like Wang Jisi have concluded the United States is on the decline. Know what I mean?

April 6, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mountainlaurel: You really believe all that? Really?

April 6, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
rick1 said...

Dude said: On behalf of the American working man I'd like to say thanks, joneses, thanks alot.

Millions of americans work for foreign owned companies in this country including Honda and VW of Chattanooga. I'm sure the millions of hard working Americans who work for these foreign owned compaines appreciate such an ignorant comment.

April 6, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.
chet123 said...

MYMY....WHO GIVE A RAT BUTT!...FORTURE 500 BUSINESS HA HA HA HA HA....WHO MADE THE PREMIUMS PAYMENT YOU MORON FOR UNUM TO BECOME A FORTURE 500.....

THIS THE TYPE OF STUPIDITY YOU GET FROM THESE RIGHT-WING NUTS REPUBLICAN....THIS FOOL TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND INSURANCE COMPANY REVENUE START WITH PREMIUM PAYMENT MADE BY WORKING CLASS PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GO INTO INVESTMENT ECT....IT START WITH PREMIUM PAYMENTS

I GUESS HE THINK INSURANCE COMPANY JUST WAVES A MAGIC WAND...WHAT A FOOL.....IF I WAS THAT DUMB I WOULD JUST BE QUIET!!!!!AND NOONE WOULD KNOW

HEY IDIOT COST DICTATE PREMIUMS!....YOU CANT SEPARATE THE TWO....THE COST ARE PASS DOWN TO THE CUSTOMERS IN PREMIUM PAYMENTS. THE CUSTOMERS PAID FOR THAT TRIP YOU IDIOT.

YOU SAID EVERY TIME I OPEN MY MOUTH....NOOOOOO! IT EVERYTIME YOU OPEN YOUR HILLBILLY MOUTH YOU SHOW THE WORLD WHAT AN BIGOT UNEDUACTED FOOL YOU ARE....STOP WATCHING FOX....YOU DONT NEED TO BE DUMB DOWN ANYMORE! HA HA HA

April 6, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
chet123 said...

YOU ARE SO RIGHT MOUNTAINLAUREL....THE 1%RICH AND GREEDY DONT WANT A DEMOCRACY....AND THE REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN ARE HANDING THEM THE WORLD.....THE RICH AND GREEDY HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO DIVIDE US BY RACE...INCOME...RELIGION ECT....THEIR STRATEGY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

THE RIGHT-WING NUT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE 1% POWER JUST AS THE DEMOCRATS AND OTHERS....BUT THESE BUTT KISSER GOT SO MUCH HATE THAT THEY CANT SEE WHAT THEY ARE WALKING INTO....THE CHINESE SCHOLARS ARE LAUGHING AT US.....

THE RIGHT-WINGS NUTS ARE SETTING CHINA UP TO BE THE WORLD POWER...AMERICA IS ONLY 234 YEARS OLD A VERY YOUNG COUNTRY....BUT THE IMPERIAL CHINA..THE UNIFIED CHINA STATE WAS ESTABLISHED BY QIN SHI HUANG OF THE QIN STATE ABOUT 221 BC...THATS 221 YEARS BEFORE CHRIST..THAT MAKE CHINA NATION ABOUT 2,032 YEARS OLD

WHAT THE RIGHT-WINGS NUT IS TRYING TO DO HAVE ALREADY BEEN ATTEMPED IN CHINA...AND THE CHINESE SCHOLAR KNOWS IT WONT WORK...BEEN THERE DID THAT....AT ONE TIME THEY WERE PRIMITIVE...BUT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS THEY HAVE OUT PACED AMERICA...THANKS TO THE RIGHT-WINGS NUTS

THE RIGHT-WINGS NUTS MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT SHANGHAI WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST MODERN CITY IN THE WORLD......AND THE 2008 OLYMPIC WAS HELD IN BEIJING WHERE CHINA SHOW-CASE THEIR MODERN CITY TO THE WORLD WITH SUPERIOR ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE BUILDING.....THEY ARE ABLE TO BE PROGRESSIVE BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE A POLITICAL PARTY CALLIN THEMSELVE CONSERVATIVE(REGRESSION..AND STUPID ENOUGH TO BE PROUD OF IT)HA HA HA HA

April 6, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
mymy said...

Chet: like I said

April 6, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
chet123 said...

IF IT WAS LEFT UP TO ME...I WOULD PLACE THE CONSERVATIVES IN A ROCKET-SHIP AND SHOOT THEM ALL TO THE MOON HA HA HA

THEY(CONSERVATIVES) ONLY CRIPPLE AMERICA DIVIDE US AND MAKE US WEAK...ONLY THE RICH AND GREEDY ARE STRENGTEN...STRENGHTEN TO CONTINUE TO PARASITE THIS COUNTRY AND MAKE IT LAME, DISFUNCTIONAL AND POWERLESS.

April 6, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
mymy said...

Chet: you need to get and learn how to play a ukulele when singing this crap.

April 6, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
chet123 said...

THEY MAKE NO CONTRIBUTION...AND THE RICH AND GREEDY DONT FIGHT IN WARS TO DEFEND AMERICA...THE DONT WORK...THEY DONT INVENT....THEY DONT PRACTICE MEDICINE...THEY DONT BREAK A SWEAT....AND DONT WONT TO PAY TAXES.....

RICH AND GREEDY JUST DEAD-WEIGHT ON THIS COUNTRY....AND THE RIGHT-WINGS NUTS WILL TAKE A BULLET FOR THESE PARASITES.....AMAZING!

April 6, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said....

Fourth, I think we need to come to terms with the reality that there is not a good "free-market" solution for health care. We also need to come to terms with the reality that everyone of us will eventually die. From that perspective, I think we ought to think in terms of a single payer system (Medicare for everyone??) and a system of care that is focused on promoting wellness and prevention rather than a system that is focused on preventing death.

This might work if medical insurance taxes on income combined with premiums are experience based with annual adjustments to avoid deficits and accumulate the same reserves required of insurance companies. Exceptions have to be avoided including congress and all government employees. The fraught and abuse estimated at over 80 billion by some must be eliminated to the fullest extent possible. Everyone on medicare would make it the largest business in the world therefore capable, no political management would be a critical part.

You and I would never agree that a competitive free market system, which is currently zero in the health care sector, would work better than anything to control cost and assure good care. I admit there is not enough collective will and intelligence in government to take the necessary steps to achieve that.

April 6, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
mymy said...

I think all the lefties here need to go live in your "utopian" country and find out what it is really like. If you like it, stay please.

April 6, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "Mountainlaurel: You really believe all that? Really?"

Well, Jack_Dennis, you’re more than welcome to explain what this Nation has actually gained by the conduct of the neo-conservatives, these right-wing religious groups, the Tea Party, the John Birchers, and the billionaire wealthiest 1% sector, but from what I’ve observed this Nation has gained nothing, and such political activities have proven to be incredibly destructive.

April 6, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
chet123 said...

NOOGA IS CORRECT.....THESE RIGHT-WINGS PROTECTORS OF THE RICH AND GREEDY WILL TAKE A BULLET FOR THE GREEDY......

THE CEO INCOME RATIO TO AVERAGE WORKERS INCOME AROUND THE WORLD ARE LISTED LIKE THIS:

JAPAN 11 1

GERMANY 12:1

FRANCE 15:1

ITALY 20:1

CANADA 20:1

SOUTH AFRICA 21:1

AMERICA 451:1

THIS IS WHAT THESE BUTT KISSER. THE TEA-PARTY NEED TO BE ADDRESSING....NOOOOOOO! THEY TRYING TO GIVE THE RICH AND GREEDY MORE WEALTH.....AND DO IT UNDER THE NAME OF FREEDOM HA HA HA HA HA

JAPAN LABOR IS SUPERIOR....YET THEIR CEO ONLY MAKE 11 TIMES MORE THAN THE AVERGAE WORKERS.....EVEN SOUTH AFRICA CEO IS ONLY 21:1.....TO AVERAGE WORKERS....CAN YOU BELEIVE THIS HA HA HA HA...I ASK THESE DUMB RIGHT-WING WHO WRAP THEMSELVES UP IN MORALES...TO DO YOUR HOME-WORK...AND STOP LETTING FOX NEWS DUMB YOU DOWN

April 6, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mountainlaurel: I'd be hard pressed to see anything "bad" done by these groups. (the neo-cons have potential to be dangerous, but is a small % of party) As for the John Birchers, I haven't heard a peep out of them in years. The tea-party? What do you see that's dangerous about them? Right-wing religious groups? Who dat? And what do you fear? You're just babbling Dem talking points...the Dem echo chamber. Wake up, pal.

April 6, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
chet123 said...

MYMY...I THINK ALL YOU RIGHT-WING NUTS WHO CARE ABOUT THE RICH AND GREEDY THAN YOUR OWN GRANDCHILDEREN AND WILL PROTECT THE RICH AND GREEDY WITH YOUR LAST BREATH EVENTHOUGH YOU ARE 99%ER...WHY DONT YOU LIVE AS AMISH PEOPLE....SEPARATE YOURSELF AND BE SELF-SUFFICENT....PULL YOUR SELF UP BY YOUR BOOT STRAP.......

IF YOU REFUSE TO PAY TAX....GET YOU A WAGON AND GET OFF TAX PAYER ROADS....HOME SCHOOL YOUR CHILDREN....CAN PERSERVE YOUR FOOD... BURN CANDLES FOR NITE LIGHT....PARK YOUR TRUCKS AND GET A HORSE AND BUGGY....GET YOURSELF A PLOW WITH A GEORGIA MULE...GET YOUR LAZY BUTT OUT OF BED 4AM IN THE MORNING AND CHOP WOOD....HA HA HA...DONT FORGET TO CANCEL THOSE FLORIDA VACATION......

YOU ALWAYS SHOOTING OFF AT THE MOUTH....WALK THE WALK BUDDY!!! REALLY AMAZING.....

April 6, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY SANTA CLAUS/JACK...YOU HAVENT HEARD A PEEP OUT OF A GROUP NAME "ALEC" NEITHER...HA HA HA HA HA...I KNOW YOUR KIND.....HEAR NO EVIL...SEE NO EVIL...SAY NO EVIL.....

PS WHEN ITS YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE HA HA HA HA

April 6, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
chet123 said...

WHAT PINK ELEPHANT???? HA HA HA HA HA

April 6, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
mymy said...

Chet you are so full of it. Why don't you go live in one of the counties above and see how you like it?

You must be miserable living in such a jealous/greedy state of mind.

April 6, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
moonpie said...

Joneses,

It would appear that you are blaming unions for failure of the American automotive industry to consistently produce innovative cars of high quality.

While I am no lover of American unions, especially the UAW, I think to blame unions is very incomplete, at best.

Germany and Japan also have automotive workers unions, which negotiate for their workers to receive better pay, better working conditions, more benefits....

These are also countries which provide health care and other more liberal socialized programs ... perhaps we could argue this frees companies up and gives the foreign companies an advantage....

I think the problems in the American automotive industry are varied and vast. Oversimplification helps no one except those who want to make it simple so either they can understand something, so they can use it to blame a segment, or to divert attention from other, larger issues.....

I would lay at least half of the blame for the failures of the American automotive industry at the top, with the job creators. They held the wheels to these companies and steered them into the ground. They were so big for so long, they acted like an army of David could never defeat Goliath. Innovation in these companies, quality in these companies was under their control.... and it was in these areas they chose not to invest their fullest.

Yes, they had to deal with unions, as does nearly every company in every country.

Oh, and by the way..... did you know that automotive workers make nearly twice what American workers make in wages and other compensation?

Dang-blasted UAW, they ARE doing a terrible job!

April 6, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
mymy said...

moonpie: how about more info re their taxes, living expenses, etc. Might not look/sound so good at the bottom line then.

April 6, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
mystyre said...

If you are not a rich American, yourself, then why defend them?

April 6, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
moonpie said...

mymy,

The point is, German carmakers give twice the compensation package to their workers and produce a better product, on average....

The standard of living may be better have half the compensation, but I doubt it. An actuary will have to give me an account of that...

Bottom line is, I think this refutes the idea that unions are the major cause of the problem. Life is rarely as simple as one line, one idea, a tax plan on an index card, cut taxes written on the palm or blanket statements like "degerulation"....

April 6, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
rick1 said...

For Chet, Nooga and the others who are complaining about the salaries of CEO's in this country. If you were offered a CEO position and the salary was $10 million a year, can you honestly say you would turn it down?

April 6, 2012 at 4:22 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

It is not the money that people make. It is not how rich someone is. It is that they use their money to buy our government.

April 6, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
rick1 said...

JustOnewoman said "It is not the money that people make. It is not how rich someone is. It is that they use their money to buy our government."

You mean like all of the big money donors and bundlers Obama has invited to the White House. In an article from the Daily Mail the AP's review compared more than 470 of Obama's most important financial supporters against logs of 2 million visitors to the White House since mid-2009. It found that at least 250 of Obama's major fundraisers and donors visited the White House at least once, being cleared for events like dinners or one-on-one meetings with senior advisers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120642/Investigation-reveals-60-Obama-s-biggest-donors-invited-White-House-dinners-parties--s-legal.html

April 6, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

JustOneWoman, Obama is doing what you say, you have a problem with in regards to people who have money. How do you feel about that?

April 6, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “I'd be hard pressed to see anything "bad" done by these groups. (the neo-cons have potential to be dangerous, but is a small % of party)”

If the neo-cons are only a small percentage, one can only wonder how they managed to create so much havoc, J_D. And lying about Iraq’s WMDs in order to start a war certainly seems like a bad deed in my book. As of February 13, 2012, according to the U.S. Department of Defense, 4,408 U.S. soldiers have been killed and approximately 31,922 have been wounded in action a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom. In addition, the Associated Press reports that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009. And then, of course, there are the financial costs to the U.S. economy, which is estimated at $3 trillion.

Jack_Dennis said: Right-wing religious groups? Who dat? And what do you fear?

It’s not a matter of fear, J_D. It’s a matter of separation of state and church, and respecting the right of religious freedom in America. As for a specific example of the radical element from the conservative religious right, I suppose the most recent example from this sector would be the Greenwell Springs Baptist Church pastor, Dennis Terry, who introduced one of your presidential candidates, Rick Santorum, in Baton Rouge, Louisana a couple of months ago. The preacher Terry went into a quite a rant prancing around the stage telling everybody that America “was founded as a Christiain nation” and anybody who disagreed with him to “get out! We don’t worship Buddha, we don’t worship Mohammad, we don’t worship Allah!”

Jack_Dennis said: “As for the John Birchers, I haven't heard a peep out of them in years. The tea-party? What do you see that's dangerous about them”

Where have you been, J_D? Since the John Birch Society was one of the sponsors of the Conservative Political Action Conference as recent as 2010, I think it’s reasonable to assume they are actively peeping somewhere in Republican circles. There is also a rather interesting connection between the Birchers and the Tea Party. Fred Koch who was the founder of Koch Industries was also a founding member of the John Birch Society, and his sons have been described by the Mitt Romney campaign as the “financial engine of the Tea Party.” Needless to say, the billionaire Koch brothers have been major supporters of Romney. In fact, I read that Bill Koch and his coal company, Oxbow Carbon, donated $1 million to Romney’s Super PAC.

April 6, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.
rick1 said...

tu-quoque

Here is a video I think you will enjoy.

April 6, 2012 at 5:38 p.m.
chet123 said...

MYMY SAID I'M FULL OF IT......MY FELLOW POSTERS NOTICE HOW MYMY "TAP DANCE AWAY FROM THE ISSUE" HA HA HA HA HA..FOR AWHILE I THOUGHT HE WAS BILL "BOJANGLES" ROBINSON...THIS HOW THESE RIGHT-WING NUT SHOOT OFF AT THE MOUTH...THEN RUN AWAY AND HIDE...HA HA HA

April 6, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.
chet123 said...

MYMY SAID I SHOULD GO TO ONE OF THOSE COUNTRY TO LIVE.....WELL THIS IS MY RESPONSE TO YOU MYMY

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU AND THE RICH AND GREEDY 1%ER LIVE ON A AMISH COLONY PLOWING A CORN FIELD WITH GEORGIA MULE! YOU ARE SUCH A BUTT KISSER THAT THE 1%ER WILL HAVE YOU DOING THEIR WORK WHILE THEY LAY BACK IN THE SHADE AND DRINK LEMONAIDE..HA HA HA HA HA HA

April 6, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.
moonpie said...

Tu,

Reading your assessment, this may be a proximate agreement......

As for quality, mass production in the US does not really compete with:

VW Audi Mercedes Opel Porsche BMW

That's a heck of a line up. Japan's rocks, too.

Joneses would probably agree with at least this part.....

April 6, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS IS WHAT RICK1 SAID...IF I WERE OFFERED A CEO POSITION THAT PAID YEARLY SALARY OF 10,000,000.00 DOLLARS A YEAR CAN I HONESTLY SAY I WOULD TURN IT DOWN.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

THIS IS WHAT HE REALLY MEAN....IF YOU HAD AN EMPLOYER WHO WOULD CHEAT WORKERS OUT OF THEIR WAGES AND PASS THE PROFIT ON DOWN TO YOU EVENTHOUGH YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR HARD WORK AND LOYALTY..WOULD YOU COMPLAIN OR TAKE IT ...SINCE THE WORKER CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT THAT THEY ARE MAKING 30,000YEAR AND YOU ARE MAKING 10,000,000.00 A YEAR......

THESE RIGHT-WING NUT DONT GET IT....DONT THINK MYMY KNOW HOW HE SOUNDS HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...ITS STILL IS UNFAIR TO THE WORKERS.....WHETHER I WILL BE A CROOK LIKE THE RICK AND GREEDY OR BE A MAN OF GOOD CONSCIENCE....ITS STILL IS WONG AND IMMORALE.....ITS WRONG, WRONG, WRONG,AND THIS IS WHATS GOING ON IN AMERICA

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE PROTECTOR OF THE RICH AND GREEDY THINK....REALLY AMAZING!

April 6, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
acerigger said...

tu_quoque said...

MountainBrush Sez:

”And lying about Iraq’s WMDs in order to start a war certainly seems like a bad deed in my book.”

"And some of those lies would be what?"

hahaha,troll much?

April 6, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
chet123 said...

WELL,WELL,WELL, IF IT NOT TUQUOQUE..ON APRIL 6TH 4:57PM TUQOUQUE SAID JACK(SANTA CLAUS)DENNIS ASKED HAVE ANYONE SEEN CHET

I SEE THE TWO FUNNY MEN DIVERTING AWAY FROM THE ISSUES AND TURNING INTO COMEDIANS...SO THIS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR BUTT KICKED ON THE ISSUES...DO A 180 DEGREE AND BECOME FUNNY MEN...SO YOU TWO FUNNY MEN INTEREST IN HOLLYWOOD???

HEY YOU TWO BOZOS CAN PICK UP MYMY AND HAVE A TRIO TAP DANCING ACT....AND DANCE YOUR BUTT BACK TO KISSING THE REAR-END OF THE RICH AND GREEDY HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.....

April 6, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
chet123 said...

FELLOW DEMOCRATS...PLEASE PARDON ME....I HAVE SO MUCH FUN WITH THE GOOD OLE BOYS WHO HAPPEN TO BE RIGHT-WING NUTTY REPUBLICANS....THEY ARE REALLY FUNNY!

THIS WHAT HAPPEN TO A BRAIN WHEN YOU PUT JUNK AND LIES INTO IT....I SEE SOME OF THESE NUTS STILL REFERRING TO THEIR RIGHT-WING HATE LINKS....THIS IS THEIR SOURCE ALONG WITH FOX TV HA HA HA HA..IF I GOT HIT ON THE HEAD ONCE....NO WAY WOULD I STICK MY HEAD OUT THERE AGAIN....BUT THESE BOZOS ARE SO PREDICTABLE THEY CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING...THE SAME AGRUMENT LIKE MYMY,JONESES TUQ, JACK(SANTA CLAUS)DENNIS AND RICK1.THEY WILL NEVER LEARN BETTER...HA HA HA HA REALLY AMAZING...REALLY AMAZING!!!

April 6, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.
rick1 said...

Chet, instead of trying to think you know what I'm really trying to say, why don't you answer the question. Or can't you answer the question truthfully because you would take the $10 million salary.

April 6, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
BluesHarp said...

Americans are, in general, a moderate people, who are always for fair play, and given the chance, will make the right decisions when given the facts. Unfortunately, as in W-ar, the "facts" are what the ruling elite want them to be, as they have to be in the interest of the gilded hyenas who stand to profit, since they own the media, and now most of the corrupt legislators. This is how it has been for well over a hundred years, but now extends so far into the political realm of power and corruption that it is virtually impossible for Americans to get any semblance of neutral information (REAL journalism).

Using knee-jerk reactionary social wedge issues that are of no real importance, the gullible are led down a path that corrupts their judgment, causing them to foolishly waste their most valuable civic asset (their vote) on pernicious pettifoggery designed specifically to do just that.

Fear, hate, envy and (wannabe) greed have always been the cheapest and most efficient political motivators, as Hitler proved, when armed with the new mass-media technology of loudspeakers and broadcast radio. Now, brilliant digital mass-delusionists such as Karl Rove have taken these dark concepts beyond the pale, in concert with corporate bottomless pockets and unbridled access to the airwaves, to destroy our birthright of self-rule, rendering democracy a pitiful eunuch, in name only, and in total service to the richest 1% gilded hyena class. The gulags are not far behind.

April 6, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS IS WHAT THAT CHILD-MINDED SHIFAROBE SAID ON APRIL 5TH 5:31PM..

HE(SHIFAROBE)HEARD AN OLD WHITE MAN WAS BEATEN BY A FEW BLACK TEEN..MY RESPONSE TO SHIFAROBE IS..DID YOU READ IT...DID YOU SEE IT...OR DID YOU JUST MAKE IT UP SHIFAROBE Hmmmm?..."I HEARD IT" JUST DONT SOUND RIGHT SHIFTAROBE...DID YOU HEAR IT AT FLOYD BARBER SHOP..Hmmmmm?....

WELL,THE POLICE SHOULD THROW THEM UNDER THE JAIL....AND I WOULD BE LEADING THE CHARGE FOR THEM DOING JUST THAT....THESE TEEN ARE ANIMALS THAT NEED TO BE TAUGHT A LESSON..A GOOD BUTT BEATING WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM!

SO SHIFAROBE WHATS YOUR POINT?????Hmmmm?.Hmmmmm?..

THIS BOZO IS REALLY AMAZING!

April 6, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
chet123 said...

BLUEHARP....YOU ARE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT.....I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BEHIND THAT...THE TRUTH NEED TO BE TOLD.....

THEIR GOOD MEN ON HERE THAT HAVE BEEN BRAIN-WASHED BY PEOPLE WITH THEIR OWN SELFFISH AGENDA THAT EXCLUDE THE VERY PEOPLE THATS DEFENDING THEM.....THIS ATITUDE REALLY FLABBERGAST ME!

April 6, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.
workinjay said...

CHET, you never answered Rick1's question. Of course by reading your posts, I doubt you are even capable. I would be surprised if you can even walk upright. Your ignorance is so blatant, I wonder if you are even legit, or just made up by someone to make liberals look even more stupid. If you are legitimate, how challenging has it been to adapt to human society? If you don't live in a zoo, you should because you would make a great attraction. Think about it. It appears that you know how to put a few words together, and on a keyboard at that. That's pretty impressive. Do you long to evolve into a spider monkey? They have developed brains over time that allows them to live in the fast paced life in tree tops. This would probably be a step up from where you dwell. I figure you just live with the beasts of the field with your mate. You know, the roach infested, herpes transferring, meth addict, POTCAT. Whatever you two decide in life, please don't have anymore children. My taxes are already high enough. Of course she probably can't because her womb has been ruined by too many abortions.

April 6, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
BobMKE said...

This should be an Opportunistic Society. Having the dignity to work. Have to get back to upward mobility. People like free stuff. Politicians think they did the right thing in the past by helping people but think of it this way. You sit on a bench at the park or beach and there is a pigeon and you throw it a piece of bread and feel good about yourself. Then throw a piece of bread to a seagull and feel good. But what happens next? You get swarms of pigeons and seagulls and you will never have enough bread to keep throwing at them. Decades of Political promises entitlement programs and now the bill is due. We have to have growth & opportunity to grow and achieve. The governments job is to protect our natural rights and make sure there is equal opportunity for all. Not make everyone equal. We see what is happening in Europe and it is our turn next. At the present rate our kids will have to pay 40% to our debt and our grandchildren 60%. Taking huge amounts from the so called 1% would only pay for 1/5 of the debt. There are not enough of them. So then you will have to tax the middle class. Obama is for the middle class but is the powerful unionized middle class.

Obama Care is huge and will make Medicare seem small. Obama has 15 unelected panel members who will decide who gets what treatment. It will be rationing and price control. Healthcare through rationing. Government mandating courage. The law is designed to get rid of the present healthcare system. The company’s can not afford the present system and will dump it. It will be We Energies for everyone.

April 6, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
chet123 said...

WORKINJAY

WELL,WELL,WELL....LOOK WHO COMING OUT OF THE WOOD WORKS...THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHER....AND DONT LIE AND SAY YOU ARE NOT....WELL WELL WELL....BOY YOU CAN NAME CALL WITH THE BEST!!!!!THIS WHAT YOU PREACH WITH YOUR TWISTED MIND IN THE PULPIT ON SUNDAY WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE UNDER AGE GIRLS...Hmmmm?

DID YOU KNOW A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF PREACHERS AND PRIEST HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF MOLESTING UNDER AGE BOYS AND GIRLS

I DIDNT ANSWER RICK1 QUESTION!....

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION....WHEN YOU ALONE WITH THE UNDER AGE GIRLS...DO THOUGHS RUN THROUGH YOU CROOKED,TWISTED,CHILD MOLESTING MIND... Hmmmmmm?....TELL ME PREACHER! TELL ME?

April 6, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
chet123 said...

WORKINJAY

YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT POTCAT AND I......BUT YOU ARE A PERVERT WHO CANT PLEASE HIS WIFE.....

WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU IN PRISON....THE BROTHERS WOULD TAKE GOOD CARE OF YOUR PUNK BUTT

April 6, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
chet123 said...

BOBMIKE....YOUR PARTY IS AT FAULT FOR THAT....THE BUDGET WAS BALANCED UNDER BILL CLINTON....GEORG W. WAS GIVEN A SURPLUS....SO WHATS YOU CROWING ABOUT...

I ADVISE YOU TO TALK TO YOUR OWN PARTY.....DEMOCRATS ARE SICK OF HEARING YOU CRY ABOUT SOMETHING YOU CREATED.....YOU NEED TO JUST TONE DOWN AND EAT CROW

April 6, 2012 at 8:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

I am permanently exiting this forum. There is no value in name calling, unsupported claims, parroting what some politician or journalist opines. The attitudes that one party is right and more capable than the other is rediculous. If you don't fit in one of the round holes that classify people as conservative or liberal then most will insist you support the party they don't like.

April 6, 2012 at 9:06 p.m.
moonpie said...

Chet, Shifarobe's story about the hammer wielding black kids beating the white man is true. The conclusions he drew from the story were shameless and something even Rush could not sell to the most ardent .... what do you call ardent Rush supporters? ..... Oh, yes, patriots.

April 6, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
chet123 said...

WORKINJAY THREW THE FIRST PUNCH....WHAT THAT IMBECILE DONT KNOW...I'M A BETTER COUNTER-PUNCHER....

I PERFER TALKING CIVIL....BUT WHEN ATTACKED I WILL DEFEND MYSELF...

I SEE WORKINJAY HAVE RUNOFF...THIS IS ALL THE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN NUTS UNDERSTAND....A FOOT UP THE REAR-END!

April 6, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA HA..WELL SAID MOONPIE

April 6, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
moonpie said...

Harp...... Approval and now you?

Notice what autocorrect did above?

Ok. You really are one of the few sane voices on this forum. The list of drones and trolls is extensive....

If you really go for good, I will miss you.

In some ways, only someone who is crazy would stay..... Most people here only want to win an argument and don't seem to care if they get it right.

So I tip my hat to you, a person who .... with reason, manners and fact, has proven me wrong, on occasion, to my satisfaction.....

April 6, 2012 at 9:18 p.m.
chet123 said...

IF ANY REPUBLICAN WANT TO TALK CIVIL I'M WILLING TO DO JUST THAT...BUT IF YOU GO THE OTHER WAY THEN.....LET JUST SAY I WILL OBLIGE YOU

April 6, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
chet123 said...

I ALWAYS SAY...IF YOU CANT TAKE THE HEAT ...GET OUT THE KITCHEN....

THIS IS NOT SANFORD WHERE YOU ATTACK...THEN CLAIM YOU ARE A VICTIM......

I RESPECT ANYONE WHO RESPECT ME.....

SO DONT RUN IF YOU CANT SCORE POINTS.....I CALL THAT A COWARD.....AND DONT SAY YOU DONT MUD THROW.....THERE IS TRACK I RUN ON POSTERS ALL THE TIME....JUST TO GET A PROFILE OF THEM..... REALLY AMAZING

April 6, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"Those guys are just like a booger you can’t fling. Ain’t they ??" - tu quoque

God, that still just reeks of low breeding [shudder].

April 6, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
pNc said...

America slipping into fascism Supreme court rules on strip searching. Americans can now be strip searched for any reason or no reason. No matter the how minor the charge. Are all right wingnut conservatives just a bunch of lunatic perverts?

rsn.org

Believe me: you don't want the state having the power to strip your clothes off. History shows that the use of forced nudity by a state that is descending into fascism is powerfully effective in controlling and subduing populations.

The political use of forced nudity by anti-democratic regimes is long established. Forcing people to undress is the first step in breaking down their sense of individuality and dignity and reinforcing their powerlessness. Enslaved women were sold naked on the blocks in the American south, and adolescent male slaves served young white ladies at table in the south, while they themselves were naked: their invisible humiliation was a trope for their emasculation. Jewish prisoners herded into concentration camps were stripped of clothing and photographed naked, as iconic images of that Holocaust reiterated.

One of the most terrifying moments for me when I visited Guantanamo prison in 2009 was seeing the way the architecture of the building positioned glass-fronted shower cubicles facing intentionally right into the central atrium – where young female guards stood watch over the forced nakedness of Muslim prisoners, who had no way to conceal themselves. Laws and rulings such as this are clearly designed to bring the conditions of Guantanamo, and abusive detention, home.

Our surveillance state shown considerable determination to intrude on citizens sexually. There's the sexual abuse of prisoners at Bagram – der Spiegel reports that "former inmates report incidents of … various forms of sexual humiliation. In some cases, an interrogator would place his penis along the face of the detainee while he was being questioned. Other inmates were raped with sticks or threatened with anal sex". There was the stripping of Bradley Manning is solitary confinement.

April 6, 2012 at 11:53 p.m.
chet123 said...

republican can not governed....they just shoot off at the mouth and lie.......by the way the court majority are republican

April 7, 2012 at 5:03 a.m.
chet123 said...

by the way...WHERE ARE THE TEA-PARTY?????

WHAT A PHONY!

April 7, 2012 at 5:04 a.m.
jjmez said...

@BobMKEObama Care is huge and will make Medicare seem small. Obama has 15 unelected panel members who will decide who gets what treatment. It will be rationing and price control. Healthcare through rationing.


Private insurance companies have being carrying out what you describe above for the last 30 or 40 years. Rationing out healthcare. Deciding which of their policy subscribers will be allowed to receive what treatment and for how long.

A relative who is diabetic had major surgery several years ago. The doctors insisted she needed to remain in the hospital longer than what the insurance company was suggesting, as diabetics heal slower from wounds and surgeries than patients who are not diabetec. The insurance company turned down their request, and said they would only pay for ___days hospital stay. The relative was sent home, had a serious relapse and had to return to the hospital's ICU. Which, in the end the insurance company ended up paying out even more than it would have if they'd extended the inpatient days originally requested by the doctors.

April 7, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Gasoline Prices since Republicans got control of the House of Representatives.

You guessed it... up, up and away............. ! Click

April 7, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
rick1 said...

stanley, I guess you forgot gas prices rose in 2008 when Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.

April 7, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
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