published Sunday, August 12th, 2012

'Temple shootings a crime against all' and other letters to the editor

Temple shootings a crime against all

America, the land of the free. A country whose Constitution guarantees unconditional freedoms -- a rare feat in a world so divided, so prejudiced.

That is why the recent shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin comes as such a shock to all of us. American took up arms against fellow American. Even more so, a human being took the lives of fellow human beings.

It is not about whether the crime was meant to express hate against Sikhs or Hindus or Muslims. This incident was a crime not just against any religion, but against humanity. People spend time cultivating hate in themselves against people who are different from them. But rather than doing this, it would be a more difficult feat to cultivate a much stronger, more beneficial feeling: respect.

As a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, I believe that all centers of worship and all human lives are sacred. So, in the face of such hatred, I hope that we can all strive to follow the simplistic motto set forth by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, "Love for All, Hatred for None," especially as citizens of the United States of America, which strives to protect the freedoms and rights of all human beings.

NAJIA HUMAYUN, Tunnel Hill, Ga.


Does Obama 'understand us'?

President Obama would have us believe he understands us, but what does that mean? I've asked that question to people I talk with. Some, when asked, "Why did you vote for Obama," I get the same answer. "He understands us." When I challenge that statement to gain more insight, I'm told, "You wouldn't understand." For the record, what has Obama done for "us." His stimulus package cost taxpayers over $250,000 (per) job it created?

Many who feel "he understands us" should ask the question: will he put them to work if re-elected or continue to grow government?

Our country is at a turning point, and if conditions don't change after November 2012, I'm not sure our nation will ever recover. Sad testimony to leave our kids.

FRANK GREGG, Gallatin, Tenn.


Rule of law under attack

My complaints are not social or economic but about the rule of law that made this country great. The Justice Department, under Obama/Holder, refuses to prosecute voter intimidation if those intimidated are not minorities. Is that justice?

The Labor Department recently ordered a major company, which is complying with federal law, to not issue layoff notices so as not to hurt President Obama's re-election. That is tyranny, not democracy.

President Obama has announced that he is not going to enforce immigration law. A president not enforcing all of the laws of the land after taking the oath of office indicating that it is his sworn and constitutional duty to enforce all laws should scare everyone, Democrat and Republican. Since when can a president pick and choose the laws to enforce? What if a future president decided not to enforce voter intimidation or civil rights? Obama has set that precedent. That is tyranny, not democracy.

What can you do? Contribute now (to Mitt Romney's website) and push everyone who you know to do the same. Do not let Obama buy this election. Do not sit this one out. America as we know and love it is at stake.

COL. (R) ROGER L. DUCKWORTH, Ooltewah


Learn about the candidates

Chip Forrester, the Tennessee Democratic Party chairman, stated that Democrats nominated Mark Clayton, a member of a hate group, for U.S. Senate. He speculated that the voters didn't know anything about the candidates, so they voted for the first name on the ballot. That's good material for an editorial cartoon. The worst thing that a citizen can do is to vote for someone without knowing anything about the candidate or the issues. We could wind up with Barack Obama for our president. Oh wait, we already did!

JOHNNY FRAZIER


Legislative system broken

Ever wonder why nations that recently have won their freedom no longer use our constitution as a model for their first venture into self-government? Or if George W. had had to defend his policies before Congress every week like the British PM, would there have been a war in Iraq?

The system that has served us well is essentially rooted in its antiquated 18th century origins and has become unwieldy, unrepresentative, undemocratic, divisive and disenfranchising. It's "winner-take-all" politics, and shameless gerrymandering leaves much of the electorate underrepresented.

Our legislative system is broken. We send representatives to Washington to debate and vote on legislation, not to block bills from debate or from ever coming to a vote. There have been more filibusters since 2006 than between 1920 and 1980. Over 400 bills passed by the House currently await Senate action and over 50 judicial benches and untold important government posts remain unfilled because the Senate refuses to obey its mandate.

The Constitution provides for Congress to periodically review and amend its rules and procedures. That will happen six weeks after Hell freezes over. We need radical, systemic changes now that can only come from grass-roots-initiated constitutional amendments. Are we up to it?

GEORGE B. REED JR., Rossville, Ga.


Cut the waste in defense budget

Responding to a recent letter in opposition to the scheduled cuts in defense spending, we are currently spending in excess of $700 billion a year for what amounts to a world police force with 662 overseas bases in 38 foreign countries. Adjusted for inflation, that's more that we have spent on defense since WWII. If we are suffering shortages in need areas, then the cure is to eliminate the waste and reallocate funds where they are needed.

One egregious example of waste is the F22 fighter, which was designed for Cold-War operations over Europe. GAO estimated that production costs now are $414 million each for 180 planes that were never even deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Former Reagan speech writer and columnist Peggy Noonan has suggested that we do a complete re-evaluation of our current defense needs. She thinks we can defend our country and our national interests without mortgaging our children's future paychecks.

But rather than cutting, candidate Mitt Romney has pledged to add $100 billion a year more! It seems strange to me that while conservatives are quick to point out throwing money at problems like education doesn't work, the same principle never applies to the bloated Department of Defense budget.

MARC KENYON


Freebies would start run on IDs

If Mr. Obama started a new freebie giveaway that required a photo ID to get the goodies, how long do you think it would take the whiners to get the necessary information together and get the photo ID?

Just asking.

WILLIAM J. BURTON, Cleveland, Tenn.


Value and keep what is good

Why is it that almost always people have to lose what they need to appreciate it? Then the habit of this gets lost in the losing and retrieving of what really matters. We realize what we truly need at the worst times and know how we lost those people or things, but only temporarily quit those other wants in order to get what we need back.

What if the other person finally says "enough is enough"? When is too many chances enough? How many of us have heard "please give me another chance"? And how many people do give it, only to be hurt again? At what point does giving chances become the problem?

It is the rarest of people who remind themselves of the tragic times to better appreciate and not lose what good they have. Too few spend their lives valuing and working to keep what's good to prevent the bad from taking away.

CHRISTINE DIWAN


Love of money spurs horse abuse

Thank you for keeping us informed about the walking-horse industry and its horrible secret. How shameful that a law was passed 40 years ago to end the practice of soring horses' feet, yet abuses continue today! The industry has plenty of cash to hire a PR firm to make the public forget the abuse seen on a recent video.

I applaud restaurant owner Bill Crowder for not buying a walking horse supportive sign. I hope compassionate people in Shelbyville will dine at Mr. Crowder's diner.

And I applaud Pepsi, which backed out of sponsoring the Walking Horse Celebration.

Shame on the Shelbyville Times-Gazette for refusing to accept paid ads from the Humane Society! If there was nothing to hide behind those barn doors, the newspaper should give equal voice to anyone with hard, cold cash ... right? After all, this entire problem stems from the human love of money.

Photos of the horses show terror in their eyes as they endure pain to lift their feet high so a few humans can make a pile of money. It is heartbreaking that we cannot help them!

ANNE GARRARD GRINDLE, Sewanee, Tenn.


Be faithful and respectful

The Hamilton County Commission has spent too much time engaged in the sacrilegious practice of treating the sacred act of prayer as a political football. Serious Christians understand that we are supposed to pray for our leaders, but Jesus taught us to pray in private, not to make a big show of it (Matthew 6:5-6).

Additionally, in a religiously plural culture like ours, it is even more difficult to pray in a government setting without violating someone's religious liberty and the right of other citizens not to be religious at all.

Limitations on government-sponsored prayer are a key component of the First Amendment's "no-establishment" principle and serve to protect individual freedom of conscience by ensuring that all citizens may freely participate in the democratic process without regard to one's religious belief. Those who want to pray can and those who don't want to don't have to.

Those of us who call ourselves Christians can be good citizens and good Christians at the same time; we can be faithful while also being respectful to others.

JUNE McEWEN, Signal Mountain


Sentence for soring absolutely absurd

Message to U.S. District Judge Sandy Mattice: Disappointed, but not surprised at Judge Mattice's light- handed sentencing to John Mays in the "illegal" horse soring. Did you see the video? Did you review the evidence?

If not, then please step aside and allow someone who is able to effectively hand down sentencing who will prevent this heinous abuse instead of encouraging it.

You may as well have required Mays to sit in a corner for a 20-minute time-out or write 20 times on a chalk board "I will not abuse horses" ... absolutely absurd.

I certainly hope this is not a preview of the September sentencing of McConnell, Dockery and Abernathy.

LIBBY SIMONS, Harrison


Franklin quote applicable now

This being an election year, with each of us having to make a choice, it might be wise to read a quote from Benjamin Franklin. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

WAYNE W. WALLACE, Hixson


Where are verses on U.S. founding?

On Aug. 2, you printed a letter claiming that America is founded on the Bible. On Aug. 5, you printed another letter claiming that religious freedom is founded on the Bible.

These are not the first letters to make such claims.

None of these letters quote Bible verses that say:

• Separate the powers of government.

• Elect a Congress and a president.

• Allow the free exercise of other religions.

Why not? Is it because there are no such verses?

JAMES WALLACE THOMTE, Ringgold, Ga.

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daytonsdarwin said...

Let's start taxing churches just like other businesses and residences are taxed.

Why should any religious institution not pay property taxes?

August 12, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Dayton, I agree. Religious zealots (and charlatans) lobby legislatures and campaign for political candidates; yet, pay no taxes. They want it both ways. Let them pay to play.

August 12, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

JUNE McEWEN, Signal Mountain 'Be faithful and respectful'

Many people mean well regarding the issue of prayer. They just 'do not know what...they do not know'. Ergo...they are innocent in their ignorance. I don't know everything they know, etc.

It is true that most of the posts here against public prayer are written in ignorance, or, with evil intent. The Lord God of Hosts, through His Disciples has declared:

2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

...JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH PRAYED OFTEN IN PUBLIC.

...THE APOSTLES OF JESUS PRAYED OFTEN IN PUBLIC.

...MOSES and THE OTHER PROPHETS OF THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS PRAYED OFTEN IN PUBLIC.

The Admonition is 'TO NOT PRAY in public "AS THE HYPOCRITES" pray'.

They just want to be seen and heard for their ego boosts.

By all means, follow the example of Our Saviour Jesus, pray often in public. Just do not do it as the hypocrites do. They only pray for a pretense and to be seen. They pray to boost their little egos.

Ken ORR

You Workmen/Workwomen should study, instead of being shameful!

August 12, 2012 at noon
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

Prayer within Government was instituted as a result of Our

Nation's Founders. Our Nation's Founders knew exactly/precisely

how the Constitution of The United States was mean to be

administered.

They knew that only by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord, God, and,

Saviour...and then loving, obeying (communicating/prayer) and

worshiping Him, would we ever become an enduring and great nation.

Now, a few 'Johnny-come-lately' types want to take the role as

Anti-Christs, and, think they have a better interpretation than

Our Nation's Founders. Jesus Christ has made it very clear...

The Anti-Christs are Condemned. Note: Anti-Christs are not

ignorant of the Truth, They willfully reject the Truth.

Ken ORR

August 12, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.

FRANK GREGG, actually most of the "stimulus" you hate was tax-cuts.

Thanks for noticing.

COL. (R) ROGER L. DUCKWORTH, keep trying with your misrepresentations. The real voter intimidation is from the Republican party, trying to attack Holder just shows your despair.

And those companies were trying to influence the outcome of an election themselves, by representing to their workers the fear of being terminated. How legitimate is that?

And yes, the president does get to set policy, that's established in the laws themselves, which give the President the authority to do so. I guess you haven't read those laws, have you?

Go ahead, vote for Romney, who lately has been cheered for his own ability to skirt the tax laws.

JOHNNY FRAZIER, if you didn't know anything about President Obama, that's because you learned nothing from Fox. As usual.

GEORGE B. REED JR., you're right, but we're not, because some people are stuck in their insane worship of the Founding Fathers to the point where they wouldn't use toilet paper if they thought the Founding Fathers forbade it.

MARC KENYON, war money=good to Republicans. It's that simple.

August 12, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

'Where are verses on U.S. founding?' JAMES WALLACE THOMTE, Ringgold, Ga. (Get Ready!)

• Separate the powers of government. 1 CORINTHIANS 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first Apostles, secondarily Prophets, thirdly Teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, 'governments', diversities of tongues. Eph 4:11 And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

• Elect a Congress and a president. First: Repeat the above Next: Deborah the prophetess, Othniel, Ehud, Jabin, Gideon, Abimelech Jephthah, many, many, more. These are Judges/'Congressmen/Congresswomen. Moses was President.

Deuteronomy 16:18 Judges and officers shalt thou make thee in all thy gates, which the Lord thy God giveth thee, throughout thy tribes: and they shall judge the people with just judgment.

• Allow the free exercise of other religions.

Matthew, chapter 13-Jesus said: "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a farmer who planted good seed in his field. But that night as everyone slept, his enemy came and planted weeds among the wheat. When the crop began to grow and produce grain, the weeds also grew. The farmer's servants came and told him, "Sir, the field where you planted that good seed is full of weeds! An enemy has done it! Shall we pull out the weeds?" He replied, "No, you'll hurt the wheat if you do. Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn."

'Jesus allows us 'Freedom of Religion'...'UNTIL' the end of earthly time.'

Ken ORR

August 12, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"The First Amendment has created a wall of separation between the church and the State. But that wall is one directional. It is to keep the government from running the Church. But it is not to keep Christian principles out of the government." - Thomas Jefferson

"From the Declaration of Independence, the American people were bound by the laws of God and the laws of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which they all acknowledge as the root of their conduct. We all came together to obey the word of God." - John Quincy Adams

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religion but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry

August 12, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Ken Orr is off his meds again. When not riding the homosexual issue (pun intended) he's spewing forth lies about the Founding Father's belief in "Christianity".

Let's take a look at the Founding Father's view of religion and the government.

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson

"The United State of American should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy." George Washington

"The government of the United State is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." John Adams

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More of less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, superstition, bigotry and persecution." James Madison

So much for the Faith of our Founding Fathers in fundamental Christianity.

I see where David Barton, the favorite Christian historian of Mike "The Huckster" Huckabee, was chastised by other evangelicals for the lies and distortions in Barton's book, "The Jefferson Lies." So much so that even his religious book publisher, Thomas Nelson, dropped Barton's book, recalled all unsold copies, and asked that online retailers cease e-book deliveries.

Religious wing-nuts (Mr. Barton, meet Mr. Orr) have never let the truth interfere with their "Mission from God" and the lies they promote.

August 12, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

daytonsdarwin, most people do not want to live with satan in eternity! Now BEHOLD...Fifty (500) States who fear God!

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

The Rest: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Preambles_to_state_constitutions

Ken ORR

August 12, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin',

To hide information, is to deceive and enter into the occult. While speaking about preambles to anything, let's take a look at this. The thesis, preamble, opening statement of a document provides the intent of the work. Why do You hide such powerful statements? Why do You use out of context statements as Your proofs?

I will now inform the reading public of Jefferson's opening statements. These don't serve to 'trick' the reading audience.

Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams Thomas Jefferson April 11, 1823

"DEAR SIR, -- The wishes expressed, in your last favor, that I may continue in life and health until I become a Calvinist, at least in his exclamation of `mon Dieu! jusque à quand'! would make me immortal. I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did. The being described in his 5. points is not the God whom you and I acknolege and adore, the Creator and benevolent governor of the world..." Thomas Jefferson April 11, 1823

Ken ORR

August 12, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

orrmeanswtf? wrote:

"daytonsdarwin, most people do not want to live with satan in eternity!"

I'd prefer the company of Lucifer (Bringer of Light) to you and your type of religious nuttery anytime.

Singing halleluiah and non-stop praising for eternity to such a despicable, paranoid-schizo deity like Jehovah would be worse than hell.

However, I did see the face of Jesus in my scrambled eggs this morning. Surely, this is a sign of God that only scrambled eggs are to be eaten and those that shall eat fried, poached, or hard-boiled eggs are doomed to hell and must be punished while on earth by the Ovo-head Inquisition.

Now if only I could see the Virgin Mary where I spilled coffee grounds in the sink, and the Holy Spook in the bird-droppings on my sidewalk I have the Holy Trifecta. Let me call my bookie!

August 12, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin ,

Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Acts 17:23

For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, Him declare I unto you.

Colossians 1:16

For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:

Colossians 1:17

And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

daytonsdarwin...What about quarks, leptons, hadrons? A few short years ago we did not know they exist. {God Particle}.

What would You lose by saying to Jesus, "I do not believe in You, but, if You do exist, forgive me for not believing. If You are real (like the elementary particles), please do something to show me You are real."

daytonsdarwin, You have nothing to lose if Jesus is NOT real. If He Is The Great 'I Am', then, well, just look at what He allows to happen to people now. Don't You see that He will burn someone alive who He perceives as a cancer upon His Perfection? (radiate cancer). There is nothing You can say, or, do that will make me dislike You. I just want You in the 'Arc of Safety'. Why take a chance?

Ken ORR

August 12, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Once again, orrmeanslooneytunes babbled: "daytonsdarwin...What about quarks, leptons, hadrons? A few short years ago we did not know they exist. {God Particle}."

That's called science.

"What would You lose by saying to Jesus, "I do not believe in You, but, if You do exist, forgive me for not believing. If You are real (like the elementary particles), please do something to show me You are real."

Take out the word Jesus, and replace it with Pink Elephant, Easter Bunny, Flying Spaghetti Monster (may you be touched by His Noodly Appendage), and the hosts of other make-believe characters, and that's why I don't play such ignorant mind games.

"f He Is The Great 'I Am', then, well, just look at what He allows to happen to people now. Don't You see that He will burn someone alive who He perceives as a cancer upon His Perfection? (radiate cancer)."

Thanks for pointing out again how loving Jesus is. For not believing in a spoiled, narcissistic, delusional fairy tale nightmare, that same brat, in his infinite love and grace, will deliver cancer, pain, torture, disease, and death with a smile on his face to all humanity. That's some great redeemer there, a chip off his old man's paranoid/schizo shoulders.

I don't care if you like or dislike me. I would however, protect my kids from you as a deluded and suspect person. Not for your beliefs, but for your high personal creep factor.

August 13, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

"The First Amendment has created a wall of separation between the church and the State. But that wall is one directional. It is to keep the government from running the Church. But it is not to keep Christian principles out of the government." - Thomas Jefferson

Ken, there are only 4, not 4 million, but 4 sources for this wording. All of them are christian fundies sites. Barton put this forth in his book. You do realize he has pulled them from the shelves due to fraud? All other vetted sites show the real history, and are quite the opposite. Why else do you think Jefferson wrote his own bible, free of miracles and Jesus's divinity. You wouldn't be a Liar for Jesus, would you? For those of us that can read, we are smart enough to not be taken by your lies. And you do a real dis-service to your faith. Why would anyone beleive a liar?

August 13, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

JustOneWoman,

So You don't believe this letter is authentic? Are You one of the people who cannot take the truth, and, support rewriting history. That is the agenda of the Liberal Left...rewrite history. I would never say, "I don't believe JustOneWoman wrote the above comment, just because I didn't like some of the facts!...kwo

Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams Thomas Jefferson April 11, 1823

"DEAR SIR, -- The wishes expressed, in your last favor, that I may continue in life and health until I become a Calvinist, at least in his exclamation of `mon Dieu! jusque à quand'! would make me immortal. I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did. The being described in his 5. points is not the God whom you and I acknolege and adore, the Creator and benevolent governor of the world..." Thomas Jefferson April 11, 1823

August 13, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

ADDENDUM:

JustOneWoman, I did exhaustive research...The letter IS authentic.

Did You check my facts re: All 50 States within The United States Knowing The Lord God of Host Rules over the affairs of mankind? Do You want to rewrite that history, those facts, also? Do You enjoy being a constituent of a 'fringe group'? Why not at least believe that the entire United States of America may know more than You? Do You, like so many others remain oppositional-difiant, just for the sake of being oppositional-difiant...or, is it real? Please, I really want to know if I am debating with what/who is real...kwo

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Preambles_to_state_constitutions

Ken ORR

August 13, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

Do you enjoy being a constituent of the deluded majority? Do you enjoy believing in fairy tales? Why not at least consider that you may be wrong in your beliefs? Do you, like so many others, remain defiant simply because you "have faith"?

There is no evidence of any deity. None. I repeat, NONE.

Name one aspect of your life where you believe something, anything on ZERO evidence. You probably won't find one unless you are just a complete moron; which, you might be.

August 13, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

orrmeansdimbulb sputtered: ". . . All 50 States within The United States Knowing The Lord God of Host Rules over the affairs of mankind? "

If that's true then Jehovah is doing a piss-poor job. I'd fire him and get a new god, someone not so petty and subject to going postal all the time.

Send the Sky-Daddy to the unemployment line and offer re-training. I'm sure there's a used car-lot where he could learn people skills.

August 13, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... JustOneWoman,

So You don't believe this letter is authentic? Are You one of the people who cannot take the truth, and, support rewriting history. That is the agenda of the Liberal Left...rewrite history. I would never say, "I don't believe JustOneWoman wrote the above comment, just because I didn't like some of the facts!...kwo

Yes! that is exactly what I am saying. It just is not true. You can call it anything you want. I don't really care. But it was made up and you have nothing. Barton himself has done some back tracking. The Conservative Christians have called him out on it. Go look it up bud.

August 13, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin, When I become a millionaire, I will reward You mightily with tons of money. You, who do not believe in the Easter Bunny, or, Santa Clause, believe in lucifer. That is so Rich! Anyway, You have given me more laughs than Robin Williams, or, Richard Pryor! The Holy Bible says, "A merry heart maketh good, like a medicine." I owe You. If You decide to go into entertainment, You will make 'dump truck' loads of hundred dollar bills. Thank You.......ken

August 13, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

JustOneWoman,

Regarding the 'very authentic' letter of Thomas Jefferson, which You 'LIED' AND LABELED AS false, ended with an honorable quotation of Jesus Christ, Your Lord, God, and Saviour. Brother Jefferson CONCLUDED his authentic letter by stating, "`Well done, good and faithful servants."( Mostly...accurate quotation). I SHINE THE LIGHT ON YOU, ALSO, JustOneWoman ! Embrace The Light! Embrace The Light because there is a New Kid on This Block. You shall deceive no more. Please, now may I cite my resources?

( Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823; Lester J. Cappon, ed., The Adams-Jefferson Letters: The Complete Correspondence, Chapel Hill and London: University of North Carolina Press, 1987, pp. 591-594. )

Ken ORR

August 13, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

ORRMEANSLIGHT said...What a Liar You Are, JustOneWoman. You stated this letter of Thomas Jefferson was a fabrication! How many innocent, loyal readers of The Chattanooga Times Free Press have You disillusioned/decieved? Be ashamed of Yourself. Repent! You spread falsehoods due to Your own pathetic insecurities. Please, not on the valuable time/site of The Times Free Press...no more! You will only be accepted again when You prove Yourself by establishing a new/clean record of veracity.

Ken ORR

Cited Resources: University of Groningen

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl271.htm

The Thomas Jefferson Foundation, Inc.

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs

Etc., Etc., Etc. JustOneWoman...Stop Your Lying! Quit It! kwo

August 13, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Ken, you are dense! I no more believe in the being of Lucifer than the being of Jehovah. More superstitious hogwash. Both Jehovah and Lucifer are metaphorical characters, not literal beings.

The name Lucifer means "Bringer of Light." Matches, used to light cigars and cigarettes, were once called Lucifers.

You might read something other than your Big Book of Biblical Blarney and Christian Reconstructionism.

As of now, you're just a pitiful and delusional little man, drowning in biblical literalism, seeking public attention like a child throwing a tantrum in a restaurant. Quite sad indeed.

August 14, 2012 at 4:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The letter is real, but you have not read the whole thing. It shows that Jefferson at best was a deist, but certainly was not Christian. Here is a Christian's take on it:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/thomas_jefferson.htm

August 14, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You, lkeithlu, for the link. ken

lkeithlu, You are correct, in my opinion. I do have a powerful belief that Thomas Jefferson accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord, God, and, Saviour on his (Jefferson's) death-bed. Mr. Jefferson just had too, too, much praise for Jesus, other than...acknowledging Him as God in the Flesh. Most people do not want to have their behavior 'checked' {restricted} by Jesus Christ. They want to live like lower animals. I think Mr. Jefferson came to his senses just before leaving time-bound earth. (This is my absolute prayer, to be sure.} I do admire him so much. He and 'Doubting Saint Thomas' had a lot in common. (Jesus' Apostle Thomas)...kwo

August 14, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

So, are you going to admit you were mistaken?

August 14, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I do have a powerful belief that Thomas Jefferson accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord, God, and, Saviour on his (Jefferson's) death-bed. Mr. Jefferson just had too, too, much praise for Jesus, other than...acknowledging Him as God in the Flesh.

Do you have evidence of this death bed conversion, or is this just wishful thinking on your part?

Most people do not want to have their behavior 'checked' {restricted} by Jesus Christ. They want to live like lower animals

I don't want my behavior "checked" by Jesus, and I am offended that you think that because of this I live like a lower animal.

August 14, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Yes, lkeithlu, I was mistaken. I now do not think Thomas Jefferson was an admitted Christian during his life (Until his death bed confession). I only have wishful thinking, and, feelings that he made a death-bed acceptance of Jesus Christ as his Saviour.

I owe many people an apology. I should have said people could not live the way they want to live, if they were Christians. I honor all people of all religions, and, do not judge them, I do not have that power, or, right. I apologize that I did not make that clear distinction in my above comment.

August 14, 2012 at 9:16 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Ikeithlu,

It's become apparent from the above remarks by Mr. Orr that he is seriously mentally ill. At first I thought he was just a religious nutter (crazy thumper regardless of their chosen deity), but from his many responses and self-contradictions, I'm convinced he really has mental problems.

I thought he might just be like a boxing opponent with one arm. Yet with his continued mental issues, all raised by him in his posts, I'm not sure he's even in the boxing arena.

That doesn't make him less dangerous though. He appears in the same league as other severely mentally ill fanatics such as Andrea Yates, Jared Loughner, and Wade Michael Page.

Rarely have I seen such bizarre rantings as from Mr. Orr. I hope he's on the Homeland Security watch-list. Not because he's a self-proclaimed christian, but because of his mental fixations, self-delusions, and inability to hold to any semblance of rationality in his own writings.

C.S. Lewis, while I do disagree with him on many things, offered rational and coherent Christian apologetic thought.

On the other hand, Mr. Orr offers his own indivisible self/god concepts as religious facts. He is mentally deranged and probably has been for many years. Religion has a way of doing that for those who have serious problems separating reality from fantasy. Mental institutions are full of such people.

I am not a medical doctor and these are my opinions, but I have dealt with such individuals before and Mr. Orr fits a pattern of severe mental illness and poses a likely degree of danger to others.

August 14, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Excellent article on David Barton and his book "The Jefferson Lies."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2012/08/what-can-we-learn-from-the-david-barton-controversy/

Beware of evangelicals who never let history get in the way of a good lie for god.

August 16, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And Huckabee said that all Americans should have to listen or read Barton, at gunpoint if necessary. (shudder)

August 16, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.
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